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Moving to Las Vegas

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 28, 2017

The Raiders are moving and I could care less. I guess if it was up to me I would prefer they stay but I’m a Niner fan and the Raiders mean nothing to me. People that think this move won’t work aren’t thinking it through. A Raider game will transform from a football game to a Las Vegas show. 8 shows a year. It’ll be one of the hottest tickets in town. They won’t have a problem selling out the 65K *arena*. Their issue will be lack of fan support/home field advantage. Fans that don’t care about the team that are stacked inside the confines of a staid dome is about the worst recipe you could have for a true football experience.

They can stop selling the “Just Win, Baby” shirts since nobody will give a lick about the outcome of the game. Maybe they could sell shirts that say “Just Been, Baby”. That would capture the mood of their new *fan* base much better…….

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  1. Bozo said, on March 28, 2017 at 6:30 am

    The Raiders sure fucked Oakland until they were dry.

    • Bozo said, on March 28, 2017 at 6:32 am

      Not that I care, but maybe the A’s could turn the Coliseum into a baseball stadium.

  2. Flavor said, on March 28, 2017 at 7:51 am

    Cain going today. Last start of the spring. Duck!

    • snarkk said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:41 am

      Cain and albatross contract is impeding the progress of young arms. Kuip said this morning that just cutting Cain a check and adios is not the way the Giants do biz. What, being stupid and not wanting to win is the Giants way?

      • chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:23 am

        Well, they have done it on a few occasions. Rowand is the last I recall…and while his contract was bad, it pales in comparison to the last few years of Cain’s deal.

    • willedav said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:48 am

      I’ve read there is scenario where Giants could leave other 4 SPs on regular rest and skip the #5 spot twice due to extra days off at start of season. It was also mentioned they could split these btw Cain and Blach who did get stretched out the other day going 6 innings/85 pitches.

      • chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:23 am

        I have heard the same, and it would not surprise me if this is the way they do it…

  3. willedav said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:42 am

    Both Baggs and Schulman seem to think yesterday type LU is what Bochy goes forward with vs. AZ.
    Span Belt Pence Posey Craw fill in blanks. Vs LHP, maybe Hill (or Mac I guess if he’s OK) plays LF instead of Parker.
    When Bum is SP he hits 8th, maybe Nunez 9th so he and Span back to back. Panik might hit 8th as Bochy said he doesn’t want Parker there.
    Also said he thought hitting 8th helped Crawford in his early days, and Nunez the guy most likely to be moved around, including some leadoff I’d imagine.

    I’m not a LU freak and it used to bug me when it seemed every day on Baggs old blog there were multiple he should be hitting here posts. But I like this look for top half.

    I know it’s the Reds in ST but 14 runs 1 HR, by Hwang who isn’t even going to make the team. Baggs says SF wants him to play LF and 1b in Sac. Also said Hwang’s opt out date is July 1, where if he isn’t on big club he can wave goodbye. Hmmnn.

    Hill should be in or out by today (hopefully with rollins out for good)—Giants owe him $100 grand and wouldn’t pay it if he wasn’t going to be in.

  4. unca_chuck said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:44 am

    You look at places like St Louis and Oakland, cities that have lost their teams TWICE, and understand that these owners are greedy little children holding cities hostage. Much like the Commander in Cheeto, the people are removed from the process of running things. Say what you will about Oakland, but they are still footing the bill for re-undead Al fucking them over 22 years ago. You have to wonder what would happen should the stadiums start emptying out. Vegas? The novelty will wear off quickly if not even get off the ground. LA will be a disaster. Inglewood? Yeah, let’s go to South Central for a game, some crack, and a shooting or 3.

    The fucking Chargers are playing in Carson! In a 30,000 seat stadium they likely won’t fill as I’m sure there are droves of people in LA looking to go to Compton to watch a shitty team play football.

    The NFL is already losing fans at a fairly alarming rate (some blame Kaepernick for this!) and moving 3 teams in less than 2 years in the name of franchise stability (really?) is a crock of shit from Jolly Roger Greedell.

    • Flavor said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:48 am

      why would the novelty wear off? Vegas is constantly rotating new suckers, I mean tourists, through their city. The popular shows are always packed. Raider show will be no different, esp since it’s only 8 shows a year.

      • chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:29 am

        I tend to agree with Craig here, but time will tell. Either way, I could give a rat’s ass…it’s the fucking Raiders. Hey, I would prefer they stay in Oakland, but am loosing no sleep over this move. Hey Davis and crew…don’t let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out!

  5. Flavor said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:45 am

    I’m 98% in favor of Belt batting 2nd. The only thing that would make it 100% is if he got bumped up to lead off.

  6. willedav said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:02 am

    I can see Vegas football as a weekend thing for outsiders, especially their good sized SoCal fan base, but real money would be season ticket holders paying for a PSL. Not sure that money is really there to fill up yard and provide revenue base.

    Davis wanted a new billion dollar yard paid for without his own money. He found a city willing to do it for him and said screw everyone else back home. Oaktown wasn’t going to do it for him or give him the land so he could run his own development or kick out the A’s completely, so he stopped talking to them long time ago. Everything had to be on his terms or he was leaving, which he did.

    I finally agreed with something killion said: he doesn’t deserve the Oakland fans who stuck with the team during all the many years of suckitude and who are still paying for Mt. Davis.

  7. Flavor said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:26 am

    it’s funny, the Giants were in an utter lose/lose situation back in 2012. It was either keep Cain or Timmy long term. They chose Cain and would it have really mattered had they gone the other way?

  8. gianthead said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:27 am

    I am officially going on the record that Belt batting 2md will be a disaster and last about 7 games…Panik had the contact type of swing. Belt does not….

    • chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:31 am

      I agree. I think Panik is a classic two-hole hitter. They may tinker around a bit, but I will be surprised if Panik is not hitting 2nd most of the time.

    • willedav said, on March 28, 2017 at 10:00 am

      Disagree with both of you. Belt is much more likely to take a walk and has way higher OB ahead of power guys, not one of Panik’s strengths (tho he also doesn’t K much, Belt weakness). Panik had a lot of GIDPs last year , 14. Belt will face big shift, where it’s harder to turn the DP with defense out of position. Belt also much better vs. LHP except Opie of course.

      I’ve never thought Panik a good 2 hole hitter at all and complained about it often; hits ball in air too much and wasn’t good at moving runners over tho Scut spoiled me forever I guess. I can see him doing better than last year but doesn’t belong at top of order.

  9. Macdog said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:31 am

    Pav just tweeted Matt Williams will be part of Giants pre- and post-game shows. So Bonds is back, now this, is Will the Thrill next?

    • chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 11:28 am

      Thrill has already been back in the fold with the Giants…working as an instructor during ST, etc.

  10. zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:32 am

    I had an awesomely great time at the college basketball game last night. One thing I had forgotten was all the rah-rah aspects of seeing college ball in person. Both teams had rockin’ horn sections playing great and wonderfully loud music. Each band would perform at alternate timeouts. Both teams had cheerleader squads. And you can’t beat the most awesome cheer in college sports: Game!! Cocks!! Game!! Cocks!! The crowd was cheering and laughing at the same time at that cheer.
    The game itself was very entertaining. Fast-paced, hard-fought, and well-played, in my opinion. I think the two teams were somewhat fatigued at the end, and made a few bad passes that they weren’t making earlier.
    The group I was with had no particular rooting interest for either team, so….we cheered both teams! We applauded and oohed and ahhhed for both teams. Just celebrating two good teams playing a good game.

  11. chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:35 am

    The only bad feelings I have re: the Raider move is the dedicated hard-core fans in the East Bay. I hope this fails miserably for Davis and crew. Fuck that greedy asshole.

  12. chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 9:41 am

    Okay…we’re getting down there, boys. Last game in the Valley of the Sun, today. Bay Bridge series and then we start playing for keeps.

    Here’s my take on the 25…

    Starters: Bum, Cueto, Moore, Shark, Cain

    Bullpen: Blach, Okert, Kontos, Ramirez, Law, Strickland, Melancon.

    Catcher: Buster

    Infielders: Belt, Panik, Craw, Nunez

    Outfield : Parker, Span, Pence

    Bench: Hundley, Hill, Gorkys, Gillaspie, Marrero

    I think it only be a matter of time that they go to 13 pitchers, and at that point, someone will be the odd man out. Probably Marerro.

  13. xoot said, on March 28, 2017 at 10:23 am

    In case it slipped by, from this past weekend’s Mercury News baseball special section:

    • xoot said, on March 28, 2017 at 11:12 am

      Let me see if I can post the pertinent parts of the article:


      Fastball: 100 mph
      Opening Day age: 22
      Throws: Right
      Height: 6-3 Weight: 195
      2016 highlights: 5.48 ERA in 67.1 IP, with 55 K and 34 walks for short-season Northwest League.
      Scouting report: Being developed as a starter but remains a work in progress. One scout told Josh Norris of Baseball America: “He’s got crazy velocity, but he’s all over the place.” Also throws a sharp slider.

      Fastball: 104 mph*
      Opening Day age: 26
      Throws: Right
      Height: 6-5 Weight: 225
      2016 highlights: 4.88 ERA in 31.1 innings, with 53 strikeouts and 32 walks for Double-A Richmond.
      Scouting report: With a pitch deemed the “most explosive fastball in the minors” by MLB.com, Black has been tearing through the lower minors. Over a 1-2-3 inning in the Fall Stars game last season, his velocity readings looked like this: 99, 98, 100, 99, 100, 101, 84, 99.

      Fastball: 100 mph
      Opening Day age: 24
      Throws: Right
      Height: 6-0 Weight: 175
      2016 highlights: 2.59 ERA in 59.0 innings with 93 strikeouts and 20 walks for San Jose
      Scouting report: One scout from 2080baseball.com pegs Moronta this way: “Explodes out of hand, jumping on hitters extremely quickly. Can have late arm-side bore. Inconsistent release point and has trouble locating to glove side of the plate; mainly middle in.”

      Fastball: 103 mph
      Opening Day age: 22
      Throws: Right
      Height: 6-2 Weight: 178
      2016 season: 0.88 ERA with 30.2 IP, 33 strikeouts, 10 walks at San Jose.
      Scouting report: Signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2013, when he was 19, the hard-thrower racked up 24 saves last season (21 at San Jose). Besides mph, his heater has movement. “I don’t think he’s ever quite sure what it’s going to do,” San Jose pitching coach Mike Couchee told MiLB.com. “It sinks. It cuts occasionally.”

  14. Flavor said, on March 28, 2017 at 10:34 am

    Dollar beer night in Houston. Gates open at 5:30 for 7pm game so expect Rocket fans to be wasted by tip off.

  15. Irish Kevin said, on March 28, 2017 at 11:08 am

    I think this Vegas move is going to be a disaster, let’s see, fans or non fans come on Friday before the game, partying it up, see a group of opposing fans in team gear, drunken brawls abound, Vegas jail over flowing!!

  16. willedav said, on March 28, 2017 at 11:31 am

    Matt Williams, lol. wonder who mentions Panik’s name first to him.

  17. chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 11:31 am

    Well, the Nats got lucky…donnie trumpster has a scheduling conflict and will not be available to throw out the first pitch.

    • zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 11:50 am

      And I’m guessing Trump probably didn’t want to do it, anyway. He hates being in situations where he doesn’t have much control. There’s no telling what response he would have gotten from the Nats crowd. Even a mixed response would have been embarrassing for him.

      • zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 11:51 am

        His job approval rating in the latest Gallup Poll was 36%. Ouch.

      • chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 12:54 pm

        I know…I have seen all of the latest polls. It is a beautiful thing…

      • djloo27 said, on March 28, 2017 at 1:20 pm

        If polls meant anything he wouldn’t be President…

  18. zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    The Giants game today at 1 PM Pacific is on the MLB channel, according to the DirecTV listings.

  19. unca_chuck said, on March 28, 2017 at 12:48 pm

    If both Nooner and Old Man Span could get on consistently I’d put them 1-2. then Posey, Pence, Crawfish, Belt, Mac/Parker, Panik.

    As far as the Raiders go, and go they will, There are 12 million things to do in Vegas. Football ain’t one of them.

    What fans actually live there are blackjack dealers and small-time hustlers. They can’t afford to drop the coin necessary for seat licenses, let alone season tickets. Gonna be a hard row to hoe. Depending on opposition fans to fill your stadium is a losing proposition.

    I hope Prince Valiant eats shit and fails miserably.

  20. unca_chuck said, on March 28, 2017 at 12:52 pm

    They can’t oust Orange Julius Caesar fast enough.

  21. chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    In my projected 25 man roster above, I have Cain listed as one of the five starters. Question – if Cain gets lit-up today, does he still make the squad as a starter?

    • unca_chuck said, on March 28, 2017 at 12:58 pm

      He’s either on the roster or gets a mystery ailment. Ye olde elbow tightness or some such.

    • willedav said, on March 28, 2017 at 1:29 pm

      hasn’t mattered much so far.

  22. chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    Ol’ Graybeard with a bomb…miracles never cease…

  23. chipower9 said, on March 28, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    Holy shit..now Old Man Span scores from 2nd on a wild pitch…

  24. zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 3:15 pm

    “If polls meant anything he wouldn’t be President…”

    The members of Congress are watching his polling numbers. That influenced their lack of support for his wretched healthcare bill. Losing by 3 million votes to Hillary in the overall voting already had him in a weak position as president, and he’s only gotten weaker since then.

    • zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      That’s to the credit of people, Democrats AND Republicans who called their Congress-person, and expressed their thoughts on the Trump/Ryan bill. It was bi-partisan activism from the people, which made a difference.
      If people had just said “Oh, I don’t care about it,” the bill would have passed easily.

      • djloo27 said, on March 28, 2017 at 3:48 pm

        Zumie is always civilized and intelligent -a very nice man, I bet…

      • zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 4:17 pm

        Oh….maybe. 🙂

      • unca_chuck said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:21 pm

        Zumie, it is the most encouraging thing to develop from the clusterfuck nightmare that is the Trump administration. Did you hear that Nunes took his own trip to Turkey with Flynn?

        This shit is so far off the rails as to be hysterical. Poor GH is going to be out of a job soon.

  25. zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    On KNBR, yesterday, I think, Evans was talking about how Cain has performed better than his numbers indicate. In other words, the fix is in.

  26. zumiee said, on March 28, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    Crawford really found his swing during the world tourney, and seems to have kept it going. It would be so huge for him to get off to a good start in the regular season.
    I’m onboard with Belt batting second.

  27. Bozo said, on March 28, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    The Loogys coughed up some phlegm today.

  28. snarkk said, on March 28, 2017 at 7:02 pm

    Yeah, looks like Osich and Okert need to get their S together. Or Melancon won’t get many chances to save…

  29. unca_chuck said, on March 28, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    This Warrior game is insane. 39 to 15 in foul shots. Houston gets 22 free throws in the 2nd quarter!

    And the Warriors win.

    • Flavor said, on March 28, 2017 at 7:44 pm

      some of those shots Steph made late were insane.

  30. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on March 28, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    Steve (Blade) and I were chatting here the other day about the upcoming season, and aside from the usual banter about the players, we both concluded that Sabevans *seems* to have dropped the ball a bit this offseason, picking up one (one!) difference maker in Melancon and that’s…. all… Bullpen and OF situations do not seem “fixed”. The team might be fine, lots of optimists here on the Flap, but it’s just a bit puzzling, the relative inaction leading in to this season. Yeah, the team was very close last year, but it’s now a year older and other teams in the divisions did their offseason work. Can’t just try to keep up, gotta move forward. Time will tell.

  31. willedav said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    4-5 strong for Cain vs. Cubs? Probably solidifies early hold on 5 spot and a start vs. Pads. I’m sure Bochy saw enough good things from today to figure Cain can be helped along. Who was C today?
    If loogys had some issues again, maybe Blach is better off in pen at least for a while.

  32. unca_chuck said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    Yeah, we are on thin ice regarding depth. Especially as noted a thousand times, in the OF. And the Hwanger isn’t coming up.

  33. willedav said, on March 28, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    Looks like Hill made it Rollins didn’t; I’m guessing Specs will be in Sac. Nunez supposed to play 3b and SS this weekend, Marrero some LF. Kid sure made some noise in ST. What’s up with Williamson? Is he playing or leg still bothering him?

  34. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on March 28, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    At the end of the season, all that matters is the number of wins compared to other teams, but one somewhat annoying “trend” I’d like to see the team break out of is having a stellar 1st half and a dismal 2nd half. Happened in 2014, which in the end didn’t matter since they won, but also happened last year. Wouldn’t mind seeing a near-.500 1st half this year followed by a gang-busters 2nd half going in to the post-season. Which means they have a few months to stay close and figure things out before creating a monster team for the 2nd half. They kind of did that successfully in 2010.

  35. djloo27 said, on March 29, 2017 at 4:45 am

    I would also include the manager among the guys who need to have a strong bounce back season…

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