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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 5, 2017

It appears my call for *impending doom* came a little too early. As did my call for a Buster HR. Maybe I should have just aimed a little lower and put the call out for a Buster base hit. Coming off an atrocious spring, he still doesn’t have ย batting average this year….

Have we signed Angel Pagan yet?

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  1. Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:06 am

    Just say no to Pagan, 2 games in does does not constitute panic. The pen even did their job last night!

  2. willedav said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:15 am

    Pagan for CF, is that why his name is being tossed around?
    Cue Hendrix “Manic Depression”

  3. chipower9 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:36 am

    LMAO, Flav. Doom Da Doom Doom. This team is gonna be fine, even with Posey. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I disagree with Kevin. If the Giants could sign Pagan on the cheap, I say go for it. It would definitely make the OF deeper. He and Gorkys could share CF and Pagan could spell Parker in LF, too. Dude looked really good in the WBC.

    Kicking this forward (posted it at the end of the last thread):

    Nice tidy win last night. Cueto wasnโ€™t dominant, but I think 4 ER over five IP in Zona is a respectable line (and he gets kudos for knocking in a run).

    Gorkys had a night with four RBI, but I think we all know that is not sustainable, but you take it where you can get it.

    I am still not 100% confident on the bullpen, but four relievers, four IP, no ERโ€ฆwill take that all day, every day, and twice on Sundays.

    Will be interesting to hear the news on Span. It sucks that the same hip is giving him problems, as he had a nice spring and was looking good both at the plate and in the field.

    ST numbers:.305, .369, .475, .844 with two bombs.

    RS numbers (limited, but WTF): .400, .400, .400, .800.

    Given this, and Spanโ€™s history since we signed him (with this problematic hip and hip surgery), I would make a run at Pagan. As I mentioned earlier, he is seeking a major league deal in the 5m range. Probably more than the Giants want to spend, but he sure would provide some insurance and would definitely be the best 4th OF option given the current OF situation.

    I know not many hear followed the WBC, but Pagan looked pretty damned good playing for Puerto Rico:

    .324, .371, .286, .696 with three doubles, and a couple of RRIs.

  4. zumiee said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:42 am

    “Coming off an atrocious spring”

    Not correct. You didn’t watch the World tourney. Posey had a great tournament. 2 Hrs, and several other hard-hit balls, and played great defense, and won a championship medal.

  5. Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:54 am

    I am for signing Pagan assuming Span’s hip is fucked up again. And Zumiee, you’re right, I didn’t watch the WBC

    • snarkk said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:07 am

      I wanted Pagan back weeks ago.
      He needs to keep in shape and have a Giants uni at the ready…

  6. snarkk said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:58 am

    First two games in AZ, the LF position for the Giants has:
    1 sac fly, 0-9, 8Ks…

    • zumiee said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:20 am

      Our leftfield is already the “sick man of Europe,” which is how the other European nations referred to the Ottoman Empire during its decline.

    • Macdog said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:29 am

      But hey, there’s 1 RBI!

    • chipower9 said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:18 am

      I too have been a big proponent of bringing back Pagan (all fucking off-season I was making that call). I am with Craig – if Span’s hip it truly fucked-up and is going to impact his ability to play regularly and without pain, then all the more reason to bite the fucking bullet and give Pagan the one year major league deal for 5 mil that he wants. The Braves and Tigers are in the mix, too…so the Giants need to have the communication channels open with Pagan and his agent.

  7. Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:15 am

    Chi, Chi, when do we ever agree about signing OLD dudes?? Ha ha ha

    • snarkk said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:31 am

      I want young, good OFers. There are apparently some young ones in the minors…

      • Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:34 am

        Me too, as far as I am concerned bring someone up every year to see if they are ready or to let them see what they need to work on.

    • chipower9 said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:21 am

      Kevin nothing personal, I could give a fuck whether we agree or not. All good, brother.

      I am NOT hung-up on bringing in old dudes all the time. I AM down with bringing in players who can still play IF they can help your team. I watched damned near the entire WBC, and Pagan looked GOOD. Damned better than ANYONE currently patrolling LF for us. I like Pagan as insurance IF Span’s hip is definitely fucked-up.

      And I would love to see some good homegrown OFers who can play, but those dudes are all a couple of years away. Pagan would be a good add, IMO. Next.

      • Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 11:48 am

        That is why I put the Ha Ha in there Chuck, we all want the Giants to win and go to the WS. We all have our opinions on how the team should achieve this, we all like to play GM.

      • chipower9 said, on April 5, 2017 at 12:18 pm

        Agree, Kevin. I just like my options better. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 1:57 pm

        Your options are O L D!! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

      • chipower9 said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:08 pm

        Call ‘me what you want Kev, but they put a superior team on the field compared to yours…I think there is a Jack and Coke calling your name. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  8. alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:41 am

    You know theirs a reason Pagan is gone they just don’t want him anymore. They have moved on and so should we…

    • zumiee said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:50 am

      They got super-frustrated with the injuries. And then he throws down the fan who ran out on the field, and soon after, he’s on the DL again. Coincidence?

      • zumiee said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:51 am

        But having said that….we’re desperate!! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • chipower9 said, on April 5, 2017 at 12:22 pm

        Well, I am not sure I am desperate right yet, but if Span’s hip is going to be problematic all damned year, then yep…I am there.

        Regardless, I still think Pagan is a better option than any current options, but probably about 4 million dollars more expensive (as opposed to a guy like Marrero, or even Mac)…

      • djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 3:14 pm

        I loved Pagan, but I think Kat is right…

      • chipower9 said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:56 pm

        I agree with Kat’s take (Giants not wanting him), but I simply disagree with Sabevans on this one…

  9. Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    wanting Pagan is purely a response to casting a gaze at what’s out there. For a single year I could care less what they pay him and they just signed Drew Freaking Stubbs to a minor league deal. I’d rather watch Pagan get into baseball shape and play until he gets injured over Drew Stubbs. I never want to see Drew Stubbs play for us. Fuck Drew Stubbs!!!!!!

    • sandog said, on April 5, 2017 at 3:51 pm

      There was a time I had great love for Crazy Horse, and I will always appreciate his contributions as a Giant. But I’m ready to move on. I’ll take Drew Stubbs ahead of Pagan. Hell, I might even take Franklin Stubbs ahead of Pagan.

    • Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 5:31 pm

      Tells how you really feel about Stubbs, I don’t think I quite understood. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ

  10. unca_chuck said, on April 5, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    Franklin Stubbs! He played with Guerrero bad in the bad old days. Saw a great melee that Guerrero started by flipping off the Giants dugout after the Giants had struggled all night to tie the score. Top of the 10th he hits a 2 run bopmb and he flipped off the dugout. By the time he rounded 3rd, fans were pelting the field with garbage. Lasorda came out of the dugout and nearly got pegged with a 90 MPH orange thrown form the stands.

    • zumiee said, on April 5, 2017 at 4:42 pm

      Yeah, things could get real ugly at Giant/Dodger games at the ‘Stick.

    • Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 4:50 pm

      i miss the stick and games like this so much

      • djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:31 pm

        People aren’t allowed to have fun anymore…

      • chipower9 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:01 pm

        I miss the Stick, too. Hard to believe they knocked her down into a pile of rubble. Lots of Giant and Niner history there.

    • unca_chuck said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:38 pm

      By the end there were about 20 cops on the field and Mike Marshall got punched in the face trying to climb into the stands. It was epic.

  11. Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 5:18 pm

    I’m truly surprised at the lack of support for signing Pagan to a 1 year deal. Franklin Stubbs > Crazy Horse? Jokes aside, Pagan proved he was healthy and still able to be productive in the WBC (at least, I think someone said that). He’s got to be preferred > the Stubbs of the world…..

  12. Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 5:39 pm

    I think you guys are basing your likes of Pagan based on when he was healthy and good to go. I just don’t think Pagan has enough gas in the tank to much more than the OF the Giants have right now. I would rather see Blanco back over Pagan. He was much more health than Pagan. And yes Gregor did help win WS for the Giants.

    • Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 5:52 pm

      even in the twilight of career, last season Pagan out OPS’d Blanco .750 to .620.

  13. gianthead said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:00 pm

    Love the beefed up Gorkys. Play him till he gets suspended I say…

  14. gianthead said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    Stubbs, 32, was in camp with the Twins during Spring Training but didnโ€™t crack the roster after logging a disappointing .139/.273/.278 with 15 strikeouts in 36 at-bats over the life of 15 games. Stubbs had a career year with the Rockies in 2014, hitting .289/.339/.482 with 15 home runs and 20 stolen bases โ€” though the vast majority of his damage was done at the hitter-friendly confines of Coors Field. Since that season, Stubbs has struggled to a .207/.302/.365 batting line in 234 plate appearances between the Rockies, Braves, Rangers and Orioles.

    • gianthead said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:14 pm

      Sounds like the perfect Giants center fielder…

      • Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:18 pm

        one thing I’ll agree on, I’d take Franklin > Drew, too…..

  15. djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    Melky will be our left fielder after the deadline.
    Book it.

  16. Macdog said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    Mets signed Desmond Jennings to a minor-league deal today, I guess the Giants beat ’em to Stubbs.

  17. djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    The Giants ability to develop outfielders is equivalent to Haiti’s space program…

  18. Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    Nunie is so necessary on this station to station team it’s not even funny. he’s the only guy that ever does shit on the base paths

    • djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:35 pm

      Nevin’s credibility trashed by the all knowing one…

  19. alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:02 pm

    If I have a choice in Stubbs, I’m going with “Stubbs BBQ Sauce” The Boss is in the Sauce!

  20. Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    Nunie leads NL in SBs and Bum leads NL in HRs. Sounds about right…..

  21. Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    I still don’t understand why Haiti has never produced a single MLB player. They freaking SHARE LAND with the DR. lqtm

    • James said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:25 pm

      They’ve focused on the winter sports.

      • unca_chuck said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:31 pm

        And not starving to death

      • Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:38 pm

        still, nobody has been able to walk to the other side of the island and take up the game? They’re RIGHT THERE!!

    • xoot said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:50 pm

      The thing that seems strange to me is that all mlb baseballs used to be manufactured in Haiti. For decades.
      But nobody used them there, apparently. Rawlings bailed on the country, though

      • Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:00 pm

        That is CRAZY. I had no idea.

  22. Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    Sandoval is hitting .143 this year.

    • alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:14 pm

      That’s .143 more then Posey, let the hits commence..

      • Macdog said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:47 pm

        It’s now .125 to .111.

  23. alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    Anybody know if the Giants are on the tube?

  24. unca_chuck said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    696-1 on diriectv

    • Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:39 pm

      i have Uverse, it’s on 1771 for some reason

  25. willedav said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    Pagan of 2015 was one of worst defensive CF in all baseball, and Giants fans saw it up close and personal.
    Now, 2 YRS LATER, he’s the answer??? We all know what happens to speed guys as they age and Pagan has not been the exception to the rule.
    2015 he was healthy and ready to go and hit .300 at start of season and then fell apart.

    The other issue with Pagan is that he takes bad routes. Since we’re starting with aging legs, he’s no longer able to compensate for a bad read, as the legs can no longer make up for it.

    He had a nice year last season after again missing a month (in LF remember), thx. Like the country song says, How can we miss you/if you won’t go away?

    • Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:31 pm

      Thank you Will!! ๐Ÿ˜€

  26. alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    Found it on 780 NBSBA Xifinity..Which means WTF???

    • willedav said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:51 pm

      kat csn changed the name to nbc-whatev as of April 1.

  27. willedav said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    Belt! Only 1 back of Bum now.

  28. Macdog said, on April 5, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    First of 22 for BB9!

  29. alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    Whatever this 780 BS channel is Willie, they stunk on Belt’s bomb, showing a family in the stands and Belt’s all the way to 1B before K&K call it a HR, then after his in the dugout high fiveing teammates they finally show where he hit it and it was impressive but the station f***ed up royally..,

  30. alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    Bad timing on that error by Belt.Moore should of been out of the inning instead 2 runs in more pitching tying run on 2nd…oh just tied it up ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ˜ 

  31. djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    Ramirez looks like a mental patient warming up in the pen…

  32. Irish Kevin said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    Why did the send Moore back out??

    • Lurker John said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:38 pm

      Wanted to get to his spot in the lineup. As usual, Bochy waits too long to pull a pitcher.

      • Flavor said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:40 pm

        he’s gotten significantly worse at managing pitchers throughout the game over the last 2 years.

      • djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:51 pm

        So have the pitchers he’s been managing…

    • Macdog said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:38 pm

      Maybe Bochy wants to stick it to all of us who said he should’ve stayed with Moore in Game 4.

  33. djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    Parker is one fidgety fuck. Can’t someone settle him down in the box?

    • willedav said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:42 pm

      hard to watch at the plate, so much going on.
      now gearrin is in there…38 yr old arm bails him out

  34. djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    I’d send down Gearrin and bring up Okert the second this one is over…

  35. alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    Ramierz can be a mental patient all he wants Loo as long as he gets outs! And he got the K, too bail out the real head case Gearrin!

  36. alleykat69 said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    Belt had a better chance getting laid by his wife then getting a hit off of Derosa..

  37. Macdog said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    This sure got ugly.

    • willedav said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:37 pm

      awesome D Bax pen isn’t making it any prettier. jaysus

  38. djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Conga line my ass, need some thunder now…

    • zumiee said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:41 pm

      It ain’t going to come from our leftfielders.

  39. willedav said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    40 more for Steph tonite as they clinch top seed with W over Phoenix. Watched a lot of game vs. TWolves last night, they are fun even without Zach LaVine. Towns dominated, just too much Klay Thompson. Rubio was lighting up curry in first half and then Steph went off on him in second.

  40. djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    The Giants have just one dangerous hitter. Unfortunately he only plays every 5th day…

  41. snarkk said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    Someone explain to me why Nunie isn’t leading off. If/when Span comes back, there is no freekin way he should lead off. Nunie creates havoc on the basepaths and pressures the defense when he gets on. If he leads off, he has a shot at getting an extra AB late in a long game, if needed. Why can’t Nunie play LF, and put Gillaspie at 3rd…

  42. xoot said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    The bullpen appears to suck. I hope that changes, soon. But . . . .

    • zumiee said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:48 pm

      All the stuff we were concerned about in the off-season. The bullpen, leftfield, and outfield depth.

      • zumiee said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:51 pm

        And Cain. Well, we’ll see how that goes on Friday.

      • snarkk said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:54 pm

        Yep. Why would they need to be signing some washed up 32 YO dude Stubbs off the scrap heap only 2 games into the season? Even if just for AAA roster fill. Where is somebody from AA that could do that? And Morse would have been on the 25 without his leg injury — and the only reason he was in ST was that he attended Pence’s wedding? The OF situation of the Giants after an entire off season and full 6 weeks of ST is flat ridiculous…

      • djloo27 said, on April 5, 2017 at 9:59 pm

        If you walk Bochy’s dog you can play LF for the Giants…

  43. unca_chuck said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:20 pm

    Fuck. What happened? 4-1 lead, a couple outs in the 5th and i come back now to see we got waxed?

    Dinty Moore fucked up?

    • sandog said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:27 pm

      Hey Chuck-
      Yeah Moore lost it quickly and bullpen let in a couple more. Nothing late from offense.

  44. unca_chuck said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    Ohh, that memory is a tricky thing. It was Marshall who hit the home run and flipped off the Giants dugout.

    This is from some Dodger fight site of all things. What is funny is the guy who wrote this gives the Dodgers shit about it . . .
    ____________________

    With two outs in the 10th inning of an early season game at Candlestick Park, Dodgers outfielder Mike Marshall hit a three-run homer off Giants pitcher Scott Garrelts, eventually lifting the Dodgers to an 11-8 victory. San Francisco Mananger Roger Craig had ordered Pedro Guerrero intentionally walked to get to Marshall. As he rounded the bases, Marshall pumped his fist and gestured several times at Craig, angry that the Giants would walk the hot-hitting Guerrero for a second time just to face him. (“They didn’t have any confidence that I could do the job, and that was part of the frustration,” Marshall later whined.)

    Garrelts responded to Marshall’s chicken-shit gestures by throwing the next pitch over the head of Dodgers catcher Alex Trevino. Both benches emptied, and Guerrero and San Francisco’s Chris Brown had to be heavily restrained in the 15-minute scuffle. On the Dodgers’ way back to their dugout, Giants fans threw coins, paper cups, and beer at the players. Marshall got drenched. About 75 fans were ejected, and several were arrested.

    “It was disgusting the way those fans behaved,” Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda said. “They’re a disgrace to the U.S.A. What gives them the right to throw things at ballplayers?” (Meanwhile, a few Dodgers apparently spit at fans during the incident. Any comments on that, Tommy?)

    Lasorda didn’t stop at that, having equally harsh words for the Giants. ”What the hell did he [Garrelts] throw at Trevino for? That’s ridiculous,” Lasorda said. ”Trevino’s standing there, and the guy throws at his head. It was terrible. I have no respect for him.”

    http://www.dodgerblues.com/content/features_fights.html#marshall-sf

    • unca_chuck said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:33 pm

      The reason this got so out of hand was this was the 2nd half of a twi-night double header (God I miss saying that) and the Dogs spanked the Giants like 8-3 in the first game. The Dodgers had a big lead in the 2nd game and fought like hell to tie the score in the bottom of the, uh, late in the game.

      Best part about it is my girlfriend (previous gf who was a pretty big Cards fan) and I snuck down to sit about 10 rows behind the Dodger dugout. She was talking a lot about the Cards/Cubs rivalry through the game. We were right in the middle of the melee. That changed her mind. It was pretty fricking awesome.

      • Macdog said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:53 pm

        Was that the infamous doubleheader in ’88? Anyway, I’m getting a kick out of your recollections from earlier today and now, good stuff to keep from dwelling on tonight’s debacle.

    • sandog said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:34 pm

      I remember that well. Local news was at the campus bar at SDSU a couple of days later letting students do various rants that they would consider showing on TV. A friend and I said “We’re Giants fans from San Francisco and Mike Marshall is a dead man!” (Different era back then).
      They actually ran our bit on the sportscast that night. It was my 15 minutes of fame–more like 5 seconds really.

  45. unca_chuck said, on April 5, 2017 at 10:36 pm

    Niedermeyer! Dead man!!! That’s too funny, Dawg!

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