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Bring Him Up

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 20, 2017

I can’t watch another at bat from Span. Or Marrero. Or Hill. Or Freaking Gorkey’s. Or Morse. Or The Wrong Upton Bro. Or a Stubbs Brother. Or the hologram of Ruggiano.

Not until Christian Arroyo gets called up to play every day……

He’s hitting .479 in Triple A. He is the best hitting prospect the Giants have had since Buster Posey. Before that I don’t remember our last top hitting prospect. And remember, guys like Pablo, Duffy and Panik were NOT considered top prospects. Arroyo is as can’t-miss as any hitter we’ve had since Buster.

I get so tired of hearing about the delicate confidence levels of young hitters. You think Gork’s and Marrero are brimming with confidence right now? Please. Those cats are so nervous they look like they’re coming down with Parkinson’s in the batters box.

Arroyo needs to be presented with the pressures of hitting at this level before we should worry about him wilting because of it. Overcoming obstacles is more than half the battle anyway. At some point, he going to have to show he can adjust to what the pitchers are doing up here and he can’t do that while he’s playing in AAA.

And if he’s so fragile that he melts in the heat of mlb pressure I seriously question whether he will EVER have the mental make up to succeed at this level.

Back in 2010 I remember being at a game with San Diggity Dawg and an ill fated hot dog. Also, this guy got the 3rd hit of his career (first of the year). The Giants didn’t fiddle de do around with him. They brought him up to play.

And they need to bring Arroyo up, too.

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  1. chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 6:57 am

    Great thread, Flav. I agree with you 110%.

    BRING HIM UP!

    And I don’t have a problem with seeing if Upton or Stubbs can provide more than Marrero or Gorks (not hard to imagine anyone doing more than either). But definitely…bring-up Arroyo! The dude has proven he has NOTHING to prove at AAA. We need to see if he is a bona-fide MLB playah. Giddy up Sabevans…MAKE IT HAPPEN!

  2. willedav said, on April 20, 2017 at 7:25 am

    I would too. But no way they bring up Arroyo to play the OF; until they trade for replacements, this is what you got out there–most likely Melvin, while Morse and Mac playing rehab games for a week.
    So the guy Arroyo replaces is Nunez, and he ain’t leading off.
    Until a trade happens just don’t see anything earth shattering going on, except the proverbial deck shuffling…

    • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 7:49 am

      I would not bring him up to play the OF. I would DFA Hill and let Arroyo be the super sub (he has played 3B, SS, and 2B this year in Sacto), and he could also play 3rd and let Nunie play LF. There are options…you just have to decide who goes.

  3. willedav said, on April 20, 2017 at 7:32 am

    By time I hit Portland next Tuesday they could be done. It’s one thing to lose when your best players are burning Warriors and playing their game but to get lit up by scrubs like McCaw McGee Clark and Zaza when the Warriors are short handed and their best players are sloppy and miss open shots is not good.

    And there is a disconnect btw good D and NBA players missing good looks they hit with their eyes closed. Curry and Thompson missed FTs and layups and Portland guards did the same thing on their end. As bad as Warriors were playing early they could have lost to another playoff caliber team.

  4. willedav said, on April 20, 2017 at 8:02 am

    Arroyo did have great night last night, bomb and a double among his 4 hits. So did Beede, 6 and two thirds shut out ball before hitting pitch limit of 93. Unfortunately Osich and 2 others caved in and Sac lost. Osich faced 5 guys, gave up 2 hits 2 walks and got one out, on a sac bunt. blown save and an L…ouch.
    Upton Jr got hit on the thumb, so who knows. Stubbs led off and played CF, 1-5 batting a powerful .259.
    Hwang 2-4 hitting .286.

    Guy’s headline “They Might be Giants.” Hmmnn.

  5. wilcojoe said, on April 20, 2017 at 8:36 am

    It’s too bad we’re not closer to the trade deadline and teams more desperate to make moves. I would be curious to see what we could get for Gofundme. Put Arroyo at SS and trade Crawford for a younger MLB ready OF.

    I for one would have no problem seeing us tear apart this club to acquire young talent. After 3 World Series titles, I would love to see what some of our guys could bring back in return. Two years of rebuilding sucktitude is better than the status quo. No one on this club is untouchable if the offer is right.

  6. unca_chuck said, on April 20, 2017 at 8:41 am

    We have way too many infielders. We need to trade some guys and move guys to the OF pronto. Would hate to see Craw or Panik go but what are the options? Hope against hope that Morse finds the fountain of youth?

    • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:15 am

      We all know that pitching and D are key to the Giants success. I would not be comfortable trading away either of our middle IF positions. It would have to be one hell of a return (stud OF…NOT prospects), IMO.

  7. snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 8:52 am

    A guy called into KNBR and said Arroyo made 2 errors last night. I don’t care. Crawford made errors left and right for two months when they called him up as an emergency move. This kid is way more ready for the Bigs (1448 minor league ABs) than Crawford (988) was. Put Arroyo somewhere, anywhere on the infield and move bodies around to the outfield. D day is this weekend. If this OF suck continues through then, it’s time for wholesale changes out there before the season gets away. Amazing that the Giants are not worse than 6-10. This is all on Sabevans — an entire offseason to make a move or two in the OF, or at least have Plan B and C. Instead, we get an OF that I assume is one of the worst in baseball – 1/10 of the season in. Aaron Hill, not even on offseason radar, from the scrap heap to playing LF, and he’s hit at least once in leadoff and cleanup in games so far. WTF?…

  8. Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:05 am

    Kruk was in classic Kruk mode this morning. Here’s one thing he said: “Span is hitting .205 and it’s a weak .205. If he can’t drive the ball he needs to start bunting for a base hit…”
    Um, I’m gonna go on record that a dude trying to bunt for a base hit every time up prolly won’t work. lqtm
    Kruk also said you can’t bring Arroyo up now cause he’s 21 and not strong enough to last till the post season.Yes he said that.

    • snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:10 am

      $12 million/year to bunt for hits? Is it legal to say Phuk Kruk? Let’s risk a 21 year old getting tired in September. The dudes patrolling the OF already are playing tired. The entire OF is a joke except Pence…

  9. djloo27 said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:10 am

    I was surprised last night when the KC announcer said Gofundme is already 30 years old…

    • Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:28 am

      it’s up to $39,900. That’s my one time to check for the day. If I don’t set a limit I would obsessively check it every 10 minutes.

  10. snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:14 am

    If the Giants aren’t careful, there’s going to be booing at the yard coming up with these OFers making like AAAA wannabes. Bad PR. Baer does not like booing by the sellout crowds at home…

  11. wilcojoe said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:26 am

    Every winning organization with a large market payroll have been “sellers” at various points over the last ten years. Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers and yes, even the mighty Yankees went into sell mode last year. The only team that comes to mind that hasn’t had to play “seller” might be the Cardinals, but with the best scouting department in baseball, why would they?

    I think this is finally our year (to sell).

  12. Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:30 am

    I’m down with selling after we exhaust all resources which we obviously haven’t done. Even if they refuse to play Arroyo because he’s apparently so weak and withered I would hope we see at least 5 different guys called up to play outfield.

    • snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:45 am

      Waiting to trade is dangerous with the Giants inventory. Baer should take heed of what the plain Phoebe was told, as she fretted over a suitor:
      “Sell as soon as you can, you are not for all markets…”
      As You Like it, Act 3 scene 5

  13. snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:35 am

    There is probably some service time / free agency angle to the timing of bringing up Arroyo. If the beat writers were actually interested, maybe they’ll research that…

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:42 am

    I don’t see Crawford being moved. He’s more than just a homegrown player, he’s a local kid and Baer is going to milk that marketing angle dry. If I had to guess I would say Belt, Panik and Nunez are movable. Arroyo currently has 48 at bats on the season. If they’re not going to break the glass to unleash Donger Time, I think they should bring up Arroyo and put him in LF so Nunie doesn’t risk getting hurt out there. It’s hard to imaging him doing any worse than Hill.

    • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:19 am

      IMO, Arroyo in the OF is not happening. If Arroyo comes-up anytime soon, he will be used as he has in Sac (at 3B, SS, and 2B). Nunie would get some OF play when Arroyo played 3B.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:27 am

        If the club can just roll Hill out there they’ll be able to put Arroyo there too.

      • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 1:24 pm

        I disagree. The team has had him playing “exclusively” IF positions. They are not going to all of a sudden, at the ML level, have their top prospect come up and play a position with which he is unfamiliar, IMO. And if I was calling the shots, no way in hell would he see the OF. He would play the three positions he has played this year, and Nunie can play some OF (which he has some ML experience doing).

  15. xoot said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:00 am

    What was it–$21M off the books–when Pagan and Peavy said goodbye? And that’s the money they haven’t reinvested. Apparently keeps them under the luxury tax threshold. So Hwang and Arroyo should be sure bets to move up, eventually. Cost effective moves. That might help fill the hole in LF, but it won’t solve the CF problem.

    I think the super-two rules show up as screen saver imagery on the screens of the FO bean counters. They have determined to the dollar how much it would cost, in the long run, to lose one of Arroyo’s pre-arb years.

    • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:20 am

      A chunk of the money that came off the books last year went to the Melancon signing…

      • xoot said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:40 am

        That came out of the $20M plus saved by saying goodbye to Romo, Casilla and Lopez.

      • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 1:30 pm

        Bottom line, what I have heard, is that the ownership group did NOT want to pay the penalty associated with exceeding luxury tax…

      • xoot said, on April 20, 2017 at 2:27 pm

        used to be, and I think the new CBA is the same, that every successive year a team goes over the threshold the penalty increases, but if the team gets under for just one season they get to start all over again, clean slate. So there’s an incentive once you break through (and the Giants did in both 2015 and 2016, I think) to get back under. I have to admit I see both sides of the argument.

      • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 8:46 pm

        Ah, did not know that. I can absolutely see the logic of laying off for one year (especially if you out yourself in the owners’ shoes). Agree…I see both sides.

  16. willedav said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:03 am

    mm. I’d have a hard time trading gold glove IFs…giants have Posey, Belt and Panik/Craw all of whom are excellent defenders and save runs for pitching staff, plus they can hit too. That’s a good core to have in place for next few years and build around.
    I still think if they continue to get well pitched games Giants will be fine and Bum will win his share..
    Hundley was a good find too, getting some timely hits and working great with pitchers.

    Kershaw won last night and in story in LA Times noted he has gone 7+ in 3 of 4 starts. NO other Dodger starter has gone 7 even once. They are 3-1 in his starts 5-7 in all others. Dodgers aren’t hitting yet either and their fans are also raising panic buttons at .500. Jansen got 4 out save last night, so Roberts might be jonesing for Ws too.

    I can see AZ being better but unless Greinke turns it around they are sunk. Colo, with Black in charge I could see causing problems. But really I only care Giants stay ahead of LA, and they will meet up soon. 90% of season is still ahead of us.

    • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:21 am

      Agree WHOLE-HEARTEDLY with you take on the core of Posey, Belt, Panik and Craw.

  17. Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:07 am

    I think this season still holds immense promise. We have 4 stud SP’s and a top end closer. That alone should keep us in it. Not to mention great defense and some good core hitters (Craw, Posey, Belt and Pence). We just can’t go on too much longer with this shit in the OF they are running out there now. Waiting for Gorks and Marrero to get 150 at bats (Kruk’s idea) is stupid. Start running some AAA shit out there and get Span OUT of the leadoff spot.

    • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:22 am

      Great post…totally agree.

      • djloo27 said, on April 20, 2017 at 12:55 pm

        That is a lucid, well thought-out, intelligent post…

      • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 1:31 pm

        I know…that Flavor really nails it a lot of times…;-)

        Just concurring on the fact that this team should be ok.

  18. alleykat69 said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:37 am

    Jesus Christ it’s not Rocket Science, but the organization sure acts like it!
    Bring up Arroyo put him at 3rd and your fucking infield is set for years! Yeah he will boot a few just like Craw did and Panik and Belt but guess what their “All Fucking Gold Glovers Now” (Well Belt should be too) and Arroyo could turn into another one eventually and you add Posey’s GG as well that’s a stud infield!!
    Then you move Nunie to LF and call up Slater they can platoon LF &CF when Spanhip needs his usual 3 days a week blow!!!

    • zumiee said, on April 20, 2017 at 11:54 am

      Well said. The trend lately is for teams to use players in multiple positions, and the Giants are lagging behind that concept. The Cubs and Dodgers have players moving all over the field like musical chairs the last few years, and those are the teams that met in the NLCS last year.

    • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 1:32 pm

      Agree, Kat. I have been telling folks that Arroyo will play IF. NOT OF. Nunie can play the OF when Arroyo is at 3B. Arroyo can also spell Craw and Panik (Arroyo has started games this year at all three positions).

  19. zumiee said, on April 20, 2017 at 11:57 am

    Arroyo AND Tomlinson should be up with the big club, and jettison some of the crappola.
    Pete Rose played 4 different positions in his career. 2B, LF, 3B, and 1B. And got 3 World Series rings to show for it.

    • zumiee said, on April 20, 2017 at 12:12 pm

      Clearly not every player is the next Pete Rose as a hitter, but he was always willing to play where the team needed him to play, and was OK-enough at each of the positions. And leftfield defense is probably the least important defensive spot on the field.

      • alleykat69 said, on April 20, 2017 at 2:32 pm

        Agree Zumie!
        But unfortunately now it’s the least offensive position as well and that’s just not acceptable when most teams expect power& production from your outfielders and all we have is Hunter Pence who’s not getting any younger…

  20. willedav said, on April 20, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    On a lighter note, and why do the Giants have a crummy game before a day off that lights up the Flap,
    b-day of one of my fav musical heroes–NY bandleader vibist and percussionist Tito Puente, who would have been 92 today.
    Saw him many times in Bay Area, with 17 piece band and smaller groups. Never failed to impress, in his recordings either that go back to the ’50s.

  21. Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 12:43 pm

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    Christian Arroyo is tearing it up, but be intrigued by Chris Shaw (.326, 3 HRs) at AA Richmond — especially since he moved from 1B to LF.

  22. alleykat69 said, on April 20, 2017 at 12:57 pm

    Hey WTF it’s 4/20 day anybody have Timmeh’s personal cell number??
    I don’t even smoke mota anymore but after watching some of these games I might consider puffin a fatty…

  23. Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    uh oh, now Crawford is tweeting about it…..

    • djloo27 said, on April 20, 2017 at 4:23 pm

      Evans is being a stubborn, stupid, silly man…

    • Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 4:28 pm

      even if they don’t want to move him to LF, why not move Nunie out there? He could certainly play LF as good or better than Marrero…..

    • snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 4:47 pm

      Evans “rational” for keeping Arroyo at Sac is a total sack of crap. All based on not wanting to play him out of position (in LF), a straw man argument, because you’d put Nunie out there and Arroyo at third. The Cubs brought up Bryant the day after the date that guaranteed he’d have one additional Arb year. If the Giants do that with Arroyo, the seasoning and don’t hurt his psyche arguments are revealed as the bull dust they are…

    • chipower9 said, on April 20, 2017 at 8:50 pm

      Bobby, Bobby, Bobby…pull your head outta your ass..

  24. zumiee said, on April 20, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Toronto is 3-12 so far. Bautista has an OPS in the .300s. Yikes.

  25. pawliekokonuts said, on April 20, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    #unlockhimup #freeChrisyian

  26. wilcojoe said, on April 20, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    Interesting to see how Chris Shaw continues to hit in Richmond. That’s a big time pitchers league.

    • snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 4:51 pm

      I did not know he was moved to LF. Interesting option. Bring his ass up, I’m all for sink or swim with these prospects. Parker and Mac are old prospects, bring up young ones and can dudes like Gorkys off the 40 that have bats made of Swiss cheese…

    • moseszd said, on April 21, 2017 at 12:42 pm

      That’s usually a very good sign the prospect is an actual hitter.

  27. Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    this “wait around for 150 at bats” plan that Kruk has is asinine. The season could be lost by the end of May if we wait around till then

  28. Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 5:41 pm

    6 of the 9 Rangers in their LU tonight currently have BA’s under .200……

    • zumiee said, on April 20, 2017 at 6:45 pm

      I was stunned to hear on KNBR that two teams in MLB are getting less production from their leftfielders than the Giants. I didn’t catch who the two teams are.

  29. xoot said, on April 20, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    Anybody hear the knbr interviews with sabean and baer this evening? I caught just the end of baers bullshit. Sounded as if he just avoided the issues. Reassurance about the “inventory” on the farm. Jokes about Bonds suiting up. Maybe knbr preserved it all

    • zumiee said, on April 20, 2017 at 7:05 pm

      3 championships in the bank. Real estate developments going on. Money rolling in from ticket sales and concessions. The owners are probably not feeling any urgency.

    • Flavor said, on April 20, 2017 at 7:26 pm

      i’ve never understood why Baer gets a show. He never says shit.

  30. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on April 20, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    Craig, your opening sentence in the thread-head is quite an indictment: 8 players, eight!, that you never want to see another at-bat until Arroyo comes up. Those are 8 players that the FO thought would be sufficient. And I agree that none of them will likely make a positive difference. Span is the only one who *might* salvage something of a season for himself, just because he’ll get the opportunity to. It’s fairly astounding, actually.

  31. zumiee said, on April 20, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    Those pesky Padres. They put us in last place again.

  32. snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    Sharks doing everything they can to lose in OT. Only great goalie action is saving the game…

    • snarkk said, on April 20, 2017 at 11:21 pm

      They lose. Outshot 14-2 in OT…

  33. Irish Kevin said, on April 21, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    No one commenting on Bum having a motorcycle accident will be out 8-10 weeks??


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