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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 5, 2017

Radar looking like a decent amount of rain passing through Cinn during the game. Sog up those bathpaths, might slow Billy Ham down a little. Cain vs Arroyo? 2012 revisited.

Derby weekend so I am going to be pretty busy but will always have time for The Flap.

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  1. willedav said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:33 am

    Hamilton is batting .214. I think he has bigger problems than the weather.

    • Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:53 am

      I’d rather have him than any current outfielder we have.

  2. snarkk said, on May 5, 2017 at 9:27 am

    Cain v. Bronson Arroyo, the slopmeister.
    At home run derby park.
    This should be a low scoring affair. By the Giants, anyway…

  3. chipower9 said, on May 5, 2017 at 9:30 am

    RE: of the talk towards the end of the last thread, Loo and Zumiee – I have met both of you, and love both of you like brothers (as I do the other Flappers I have met). I hope you two can get past this with civility.

    I am very politically minded (and passionate as hell about it, too), and do not mind some political talk here when it is slow, but ONLY if we respect one-another when we have a differing of opinions.

    snarkk’s post on the House voting to repeal the ACA was right on. We are the ONLY major country in the world that does NOT provide health care to ALL CITIZENS. That, IMO, is just plain fucking wrong.

    I am fortunate to have decent health insurance through my employer, and when I retire, I have medical benefits via my Air Force retirement to fall back on. I paid my dues (34 years and served overseas in a war) for that benefit, but others are not nearly as fortunate, and I seriously feel for those folks.

    Enough…just hoping we can all move on and be civil with one another. This is a wonderful site (THANK YOU CRAIG) and I have met a bunch or really cool folks here. We should do everything we can to preserve what we have here.

    OK…let’s PLAY BALL!

  4. alleykat69 said, on May 5, 2017 at 10:16 am

    Time to break out the mint julep’s!
    The ladies with their fantastic sometimes crazy hats it’s what makes the derby 🐎 a must see as much as the race…

    • chipower9 said, on May 5, 2017 at 10:20 am

      I am such a renegade…fuck the mint juleps…I’ll be pouring Kentucky Mules! 😉

  5. chipower9 said, on May 5, 2017 at 10:50 am

    Well, I try not to get too sucked-in on evaluating games on paper, because we all know that can so easily bite you in the ass. But, looking at today’s match-up, Arroyo is sporting a 7.20 ERA and a 1.40 WHIP.

    Here is how our boys who have faced him stack-up:

    Belt: 12 AB, .500, 2 HR, 2 RBI
    Hundley: 3 AB, .333
    Moore: 2 AB, .500 1 HR
    Pence: 10 AB, .200, 1 RBI
    Posey: 12 AB, .417, 1 HR, 2 RBI

    Pound It – Pound It – Pound It (that’s what she said)!

  6. sandog said, on May 5, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    I don’t know, it just feels to me like the vibe on here is that it is fine to discuss politics as long as you support all things Democrat and that the only people or policies that get trashed are conservatives.
    Personally, I didn’t vote for Trump, but I’m a Libertarian who is liberal as hell when it comes to social issues, but likes to see my tax dollars spent wisely and dreams of getting back to a balanced budget someday.
    I don’t follow this stuff that closely, but is ObamaCare going well? Seems to me like it is staggering toward a cliff AND has a trillion dollar price tag.
    Again, I wish politics never came up on here. (I also wish there weren’t so many posts about the fucking Warriors) I get it though. I don’t think either one of those trends is going to change, so I either need to accept a liberal bent to the political talk and flurries of Warrior posts or move on.

    • blade3colorado said, on May 5, 2017 at 12:41 pm

      Good post SD . . . I didn’t vote for Clinton or Trump. Some people think I wasted my vote on Jill Stein (Green party), but I don’t care. Regarding Obamacare, I think it depends where you live, as well as access to insurance policies. All of it doesn’t affect me personally, since I have the same health care as a Congressman or Senator has, as I worked for the Feds . . . So, this is a friend (whose name will remain anonymous) who posted this message on Face Book after TrumpCare (or RyanCare) was passed in the House . . .

      “So we ran some preliminary figures on what the “new TrumpCare” health insurance will cost us (my husband has some pre-existing conditions). We are right around $63,000 a year, or $5,250 month. But hey, we’ll get a nice $4,500 tax deduction. Thanks Donny. You’re awesome!”

      As you can see, that’s some major coin. They’re not rich either, i.e., they have a dog grooming business. I have many friends with similar issues who live in the Front Range area, West of Denver. Again, it could be different in California, Kansas, Ohio, or fill in the blank.

    • Lurker John said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:21 pm

      Spot on, sandog. I wish political talk would vanish completely from this blog. There’s plenty of other places to engage in those discussions.

  7. Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    I’m more down on bulky videos that get posted in succession than random political talk. But whatever, dust ups like last night happened 20 times a day a few years ago. It happens. Sounds like everyone has moved on from it anyway. So about those Dubs!!!!! Let’s go!!! 😱👍🤐😎

    • wilcojoe said, on May 5, 2017 at 12:51 pm

      Very true. It will only get worse (or more enjoyable to read, depending on how you look at it) if the Giants sucktitude continues. Either way, it’s all good. Zum and Loo got their jabs in, benches cleared for a bit (no one was hurt or ejected) and now we’re back to playing baseball.

  8. Macdog said, on May 5, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    Reds started off 7-2, but are 7-12 since, I think half of those dozen losses came against the Brewers. However, they have won 4 of their last 5. Saw an Olney tweet a few days ago that Reds are the fastest-working pitching staff in MLB this year — “Part of the impact of Bronson Arroyo” — so maybe these games will be quick. Gotta believe pitching in Great American Bandbox will be Cain’s biggest test to see if can continue his revival. I’d be happy with 3-4 ER in 6 IP, don’t get blown up and keep the Giants hanging around.

  9. Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    A note about political talk: I’ve never once seen anyone change their mind on a political point through even respectful discussion. Not once. So, I only talk about it with people who see it like I do. What’s the point of discussing something with someone who’s never going to agree with your point? It accomplished nothing.

  10. sfsarge said, on May 5, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    Just catching up on the thread from yesterday, felt like early flap for a sec. Hopefully not a biggie and we all move on.

    Never went to the hotsy totsy, never sure what kind of welcome I’m gonna get when I try a new drinking establishment. However, I have been to the Mallard which is across the street and they have a pretty decent beer selection.

    As far as our boys go. I’m optimistic they can start stringing together some wins.

  11. unca_chuck said, on May 5, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    Well, the thing is, most of the people that voted for Trump are going to lose their healthcare. Plain and simple. Insurance companies can opt out of coverage for low income/poor employees. If you are older (hello) your rates can be jacked up 5x. Pre-existing conditions put you in the ranks of basically covering yourself.

    Yay. This is a free ride for insurance companies to go back to the business of screwing everyone and not being held accountable. This is very important to me as my oldest daughter has been diagnosed with Lupus. She has gone from an extremely healthy rock climber to someone who for the past 4 months has been barely able to get out of bed. She had to move back in with us, because she can get to the point where she can’t move. Luckily she works for a company that offers very good insurance (4 emergency room visits in March alone), so the cost has been minimal. And they are working around her problems for the time being.

    Point is, if she loses her job, she will join the pool of insured that are basically paying their own way at the exorbitant ins company rates. Even if she gets another job.

    I’m beside myself with anger at this development. The guy who said he was for the people is suspending their health care. The ones that voted for him stand to get hit the hardest, The old and the poor bear the brunt of giving tax cuts to the rich. Yay. Personally I stand to benefit from these tax cuts. Big fucking deal. Regardless of my daughter’s situation, I’d feel the same way. Health care is a right, not a privilege. This WILL kill thousands of old and poor people who have no other recourse but to use emergency rooms as their only option. They will become severely overcrowded. People will be dying in the streets.

    • xoot said, on May 5, 2017 at 3:34 pm

      my god, UC, I’m sorry. To have health insurance uncertainty and anxiety added to your and your daughter’s plight is just outrageous. Maybe the State of California will be able to fill the gaps in whatever the fedeeral republicans eventually do. Best to you.

  12. unca_chuck said, on May 5, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    And Loo, I love ya, but the false equivalency is astounding. It is off the charts.

    • djloo27 said, on May 5, 2017 at 2:02 pm

      Chuck, you know I’m a goofball and I don’t have much knowledge of politics or world events. Sometimes I say stuff just stimulate a little dialogue. Your family is dealing with a very difficult issue and I truly feel for you and hope for the best.

  13. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 5, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    I’m just glad the NL comeback player of the year is taking the bump for the Giants. Or is it a rain out?

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 5, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    Look at Bochy getting outside of the box.

    2B Joe Panik (L)
    LF Brandon Belt (L)
    RF Hunter Pence (R)
    C Buster Posey (R)
    1B Mike Morse (R)
    3B C. Arroyo (R)
    SS Eduardo Nunez (R)
    CF G. Hernandez (R)
    P Matt Cain (R

  15. wilcojoe said, on May 5, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    DFS question for you both.
    I know I have asked this before but is there a good comprehensive site (free) that would give me updated weather info for each ballpark? I am not on twitter or facebook, so those are out. I spend more time looking at fucking Doppler radars, than I do researching my players. I feel like Willard fucking Scott over here.

    • blade3colorado said, on May 5, 2017 at 3:30 pm

      I don’t do Twitter, etc. For quick and dirty, I do the DFS sites Fan Duel and Draft King. However, I rarely trust those sites at all, except for initial broad brush info – so I plug in the city and use the Weather channel one hour forecast. Here is Baltimore for example . . . https://weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/l/USMD0018:1:US

      You can’t go wrong doing it this way.

  16. Macdog said, on May 5, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    Baggs: Reds say we ain’t starting on time.

  17. zumiee said, on May 5, 2017 at 4:49 pm

    In one of those coincidences that happen sometimes, the title of BF’s post today is “Ohio!” one day after the anniversary of the Kent State shootings of May 4, 1970, which led to Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young recording and releasing the song “Ohio” a few weeks later.
    I had forgotten that “Find the Cost of Freedom” was the b-side to the 45, another great song, in its own right.
    From wikipedia:
    “Neil Young wrote the lyrics to “Ohio” after seeing the photos of the incident in Life Magazine. On the evening that CSN&Y entered Record Plant Studios in Los Angeles, the song had already been rehearsed, and the quartet—with their new rhythm section of Calvin Samuels and Johnny Barbata—recorded it live in just a few takes. During the same session they recorded the single’s equally direct B-side, Stephen Stills’s ode to the war’s dead, “Find the Cost of Freedom”.
    The record was mastered with the participation of the four principals, rush-released by Atlantic and heard on the radio with only a few weeks’ delay. (This was despite the group already having their hit song “Teach Your Children” on the charts at the time.) In his liner notes for the song on the Decade retrospective, Young termed the Kent State incident as ‘probably the biggest lesson ever learned at an American place of learning’ and reported that “David Crosby cried when we finished this take.” Indeed, Crosby can be heard keening “Four, why? Why did they die?” and “How many more?” in the fade.
    According to the notes to Greatest Hits, it was recorded by Bill Halverson on May 21, 1970, at Record Plant Studio 3 in Hollywood.”

  18. zumiee said, on May 5, 2017 at 5:01 pm

    They’re saying the game is supposed to start at 5:30 Pacific Time.

  19. unca_chuck said, on May 5, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    Say whaaaaa?

  20. Macdog said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    C. Arroyo > B. Arroyo.

  21. Macdog said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:11 pm

    Hamilton walks and it’s a triple

    • James said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:18 pm

      Hamilton had 8 walks before tonight and a 264 OBP.

  22. zumiee said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    The Reds are taking some walks.

    • djloo27 said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:46 pm

      Maybe you should, too…

  23. Macdog said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    It’s WWWWHHHHHIP for Cain.

  24. James said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    Posey’s throwing percentage is taking as much of a beating as Cainer’s WHIP.

    • James said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:50 pm

      Well, maybe not.

  25. Irish Kevin said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    Fuck Gerrin!!!

  26. James said, on May 5, 2017 at 6:59 pm

    Although this is just one night, my bet is that Cain’s numbers do not recover over the rest of the season.

  27. Irish Kevin said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    Gearing is just a fucking batting practice pitcher. And I don’t understand why Botch keeps trotting him out there!!

    • djloo27 said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:45 pm

      Because he’s on the team…

  28. snarkk said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    My 9:27.
    G’nite …

  29. theroooster said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    Since I missed it yesterday, back to politics! One thing that truly amazes me is that the whole Russia involvement with swaying the election in Trump’s favor makes no difference to Trump supporters. And now Russia is at it again with the french election, attacking the moderate (normal) candidate, trying to swing it to that wretched Le Pen. Trump was right when he said he could “stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody” and not “lose any voters.” His “fans” are complete wack jobs. A reality TV doofus wins the Presidency. Awesome. There is no doubt in my mind he’s got to be the lowest IQ President the US has ever had. Utterly Embarrassing for our country.

    • djloo27 said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:22 pm

      So leave…

  30. Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    boy that Billy Hamilton sure does stink. Glad we don’t have him on our team.

  31. zumiee said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    Where did they find this Morris guy? At a yard sale?

  32. djloo27 said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    Morris is fitting in nicely…

  33. sandog said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    Tonight is my first Affeldt exposure. I think he’s not bad. Yeah, a little on the chatty side, but decent sense of humor, some self-effacing comments and good insight at times.. For me, he’s got potential.

  34. zumiee said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    Morris has gotten his ERA up to 45. The sky’s the limit.

  35. Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    It blows my mind that some of you wouldn’t want Billy Ham on our team. Have you seen our outfielders? Tonight he’s been on base 4 times, stolen 2 bases, scored 2 runs, has 2 RBIs. Last game he hit a 3 run bomb. Do we have any player on the team that’s come close to that type of production over the course of 2 games? lol. This is madness.He scored runs now in 6 straight games. Again, got anyone on the Giants that has done that? MADNESS!

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:54 pm

      Would take him in a second. L. Cain in KC too.

    • sandog said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:59 pm

      That’s how I feel about Dexter Fowler. There were “thank god we didn’t sign HIM” posts going up around here when he went to the Cards, but how can we look down at our nose at guys like that with this motley collection of outfielders we’ve got?
      Fun Fact: A kid who went to my high school is Fowler’s personal trainer.

      • Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:03 pm

        not from me. I like Fowler. Love Cain. Love Billy Ham even more. We need guys on this team that FUCKING DO SOMETHING.

      • James said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:10 pm

        Fowler is a better player than Hamilton.

    • James said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:06 pm

      He’s been on a little hot streak to get his numbers closer to replacement level. His career batting average is 245 and OBP is 295. He has no power, and does not score runs at a high clip despite playing in Cincy. Sure, I’ll take him over Gorkys, but it’s not like he’d make much of a difference.

      • willedav said, on May 6, 2017 at 8:19 am

        thx as always for dose of reality. Hamilton has sucked for 28 games but lights up SF for one night and he’s the next Lou Brock lol.
        Brisbee has a column that includes Fowler and Trumbo as potential FAs that would have been expensive to sign while wondering if Giants should have gone for them in off season and given up a draft pick. Might be nice players but haven’t done jack so far this year (Trumbo has as many HRs as Bum while hitting .211).

  36. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    Maybe they brought Morris in just so Kuip would actually have someone to correctly call Morris….

  37. Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    Morris is apparently the guy who got bumped when the Giants decided they HAD to have that Rodriguez clown on the opening day roster. I think that was his name. Whatever, the guy Toronto or MInnesota claimed. You can see I really remember a lot about him.

  38. djloo27 said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    Giants should retaliate for that Nunie buzzing if only to prove they’re breathing.
    I wouldn’t go to see this team next week if they sent a limo and let me coach 3rd…

  39. djloo27 said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:08 pm

    A long time ago I think the Rams and the Colts traded one entire team for the other (sort of).
    How many NL teams would you trade the Giants (completely healthy) straight up for?

    • Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:32 pm

      Padres, Mets, Pirates….those are the only NL teams I wouldn’t trade the Giants straight up for.

    • James said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:35 pm

      Wow, the NL East is a little imbalanced . . . .

  40. Macdog said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:23 pm

    There’s more Os in Ohio than 0s in the Reds’ linescore.

  41. Flavor said, on May 5, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    so far we’ve only walked 12 tonight.

  42. zumiee said, on May 5, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    The Nats have 3 guys in the top 10 in batting average. That’s pretty impressive

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 5, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      Yeah, at this point, the Nats look like the cream of the NL crop. But then we all know what happens come playoffs time….

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