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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 9, 2017

The Big Black Dildos hung another L on us and that should be enough to give any Flapper the wickedest of migraines.

That team can’t even locate all their goddamn pitchers and the ones they can find are hurt and refusing medical attention.

And yet, they beat us.

I’m nearing the end of my rope with Matt Moore. We traded for him to be a #3, if we were lucky a #2, and he’s pitching about as well as Matt Duffy might pitch if Bochy ordered him to the mound for mop up duty in a 20-2 thrashing.

First of all, you simply can’t drill a guy when you have him 0-2. That’s inexcusable. And to be completely oblivious to a pick off play tells me one of two things: Either he’s spaced out and not focused on the moment in the game or he’s overly tunnel focused on each pitch–the equivalent of gripping a bat too tightly.

Neither is preferred and he needs to figure his shit out. He was gifted a fantastic opportunity when he was traded away from the wasteland of Tampa Bay to the historic San Francisco Giants and their pitcher-friendly park. He needs to do his job and stop acting like he’s at Flopicana Field or wherever the fuck the Rays play…..

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  1. snarkk said, on May 9, 2017 at 6:13 am

    I got up early to hit the head, and it came to me.
    Officially worst record in baseball now.
    But, NOT largely due to a totally disastrous SabEvans miscalculation of a horseshit Pen, even though it was horsheshit all of the last season’s second half. Even though fans said they needed at least another good RH arm.
    Not. That.
    I can’t believe Kruk hasn’t figured this out already:
    1. Mechanics. Yep. ALL of the Pen. Their mechanics are messed up. ALL are throwing their front shoulders too soon. That’s it. Just fix the mechanics, and no more games with a dozen walks, no more giving up hits in bunches. They’ll be Golden.
    2. Tipping pitches. Yeah. It’s obvious. Osich, Okert, Gearin especially, Strickland against that Wilmer Flores dude that had hit only 3 of 32 off righties. Not just the Poor Four, but Melancon,too. ALL of ’em. When they’re not walking guys and throwing wild pitches, they’re ALL tipping their pitches. A good session with Gardy to stop that — and good to go.
    3. Now, let’s go get ’em. Back to bed…

    • Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 6:22 am

      if you’re headed back to bed I’m assuming you miss Kruk’s morning shows. Well, maybe you don’t miss them because #1 is his bullshit excuse for pretty much any pitching failure.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:32 am


  2. chipower9 said, on May 9, 2017 at 7:31 am

    Great post. Speaking of migranes…I left work early with one (allergies, I believe), and that fucking POS game sure as fuck didn’t help! I got up to go to the back of the house for something, game knotted at 3, and come back to see the Mutts celebrating. Fuck. This. SHIT.

    The stench following this team around is approaching the historic levels of 1985.

  3. willedav said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:02 am

    I think Toronto had to take on rest of Tulowitzki’s 10 yr deal when they acquired him in trade 2015. They still owe him through 2020. If Cueto is not going to be Cueto and step up when team needs him, no reason not to explore what he might bring back.
    When team is this bad we can go on and on with blame, which is on every one–players coaches mgmt. FO et al.
    How to fix it and rebuild/reload, like some things I read here yesterday, seems more interesting discussion.

    • chipower9 said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:13 am

      Agree, WillieD. Yesterday I listed the no-trade and partial trade clauses associated with some of our players (may have missed a few, but wanted to hit on the big boys), and made a suggestion that perhaps we see what Cueto may return. He has stated that he wants to pitch in the American league, so why not try to get something for him before he walks…

  4. snarkk said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:21 am

    Start the rebuild at beginning of next homestand. This season is done, the only reachable goal is .500 by end of season. DFA the ridiculous outfielders, they’ll end up back in Sac. Bring up young players. Playing like crap is tolerable if somebody’s learning how to play at the MLB level, it’s worse than crap when the players have no future with the team…

  5. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:42 am

    I spent some time in Tampa Bay last fall and stayed near Orange Juice field or whatever it is called. The little downtown area was pretty nice but it was a really strange location for a baseball stadium. Moore has got to be happy to have been dealt. I guess we’re seeing why the Rays were willing to part with him. The dude’s post game pressers are Zito-esque. At least he’s not throwing 70 MPH slop up there. I still like the deal. Especially if they move Cueto and Samardzija. Moore will be better than anything in the pipeline. Let’s just hope he doesn’t come with the Crouching Tiger wind up next spring.

  6. wilcojoe said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:07 am

    The problem with bringing up the young guys, is that they really don’t have much to bring up. It’s not like they have a thriving farm system, loaded with MLB’s top prospects. Not sure Sabevans are in a position to be exposed for their ineptitude at both the major and minor league levels.

    • Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:13 am

      and they really have no idea how to sell off vets for prospects. So I’m worried we’re going to see a whole lot o’ nuthin’ this year. Could be a lost year like when the Niners stupidly hired Tomsula.

  7. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:17 am

    Pretty much, wilco. They’ve got maybe Beede, The Donger and 1 other guy that could play in The Show and none of them are can’t miss types. They’ve got enough on their plate waiting to see if Arroyo will sink or swim.

    • Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:30 am

      Well, I don’t know about vaulting The Donger into that category but I’d def like to see him play up here.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:33 am

        Hey, I said maybe. The only effective counter the Big Black Dildos is The Donger and his magic wand-ew. It’s probably too late already.

  8. gianthead said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:20 am

    Flav is exactly right about Southerners…they always want to back home!!! From someone who went to grad school in Kentucky, it is something us outsiders will never understand about the South.

    If Buster wanted to gonto the Braves, no doubt in my mind he would waive the no trade…if Bum is anywhere near 100% with his shoulder start of next year, no way I ever trade him.

    Braves would certainly go all in to get Buster and he would become the most popular sports figure in Georgia instantaneously…

    • gianthead said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:33 am

      We only have two other untouchables IMO outside of Bum…Arroyo and Beede.

      • chipower9 said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:16 am

        Craw is untouchable. This has been mentioned before. Home grown all-start SS, who also won gold glove and silver slugger. He ain’t going nowhere.

  9. gianthead said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:50 am

    After their performance in LA, I thought a .500 record was possible…dont think so now. And what does that even get us??? Time for a rebuild.

    I am throwing in order of best prospects likely to get in return:

    1) Posey
    2) Cueto – he will be a Yankee
    3) Pence
    4) Melancon – people will want bullpen depth as we get closer to off-season
    5) Belt
    6) Crawford – surely someone will want a competent above average SS offensively and defensively
    7) Smardaramjam- maybe a desperate AL team down the stretch like the Orioles??? Rangers or Mariners?

    Waive Spam today…

    I suspect we could get 15-18 prospects for that group and may 3-5 legit potential major leaguer position players or starter and 3-4 bullpen arms to get rid of what we have…

    Arroyo to Short, Donger to third…who is masher first baseman coming up in the system ? Maybe ready to give first base a shot next year???

    That is $134 million in savings above for next year payroll alone. Ok, not likely to dump Smardaramjam’s $19.8 mill and Melancon gets $20 mill next year??? That would still be $94 mill in savings.

    All in for the Japanese Babe Ruth as Cueto’s replacement in the rotation and leading off and playing left or right next year. Or Lorenzo Cain as a free agent next year to be lead-off and CF.

    • gianthead said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:58 am

      Potential line-up..yes you all have been missing this…

      1) Cain – CF
      2) Panik – 2B
      3) Donger – 3b
      4) Japanese Babe Ruth – LF
      5) Arroyo – SS
      6) Young Kid or Slater – 1B
      7) Tomlinson or Slater – RF
      8) whatever dreg of a catcher we can sign…

      And I believe it would be a Righty-Lefty-Righty-Lefty-Righty for the first 5 hitters…

      Would be a fun rebuild at least…

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:09 am

        That LU would somehow manage to be even worse than watching the current one.

      • Lurker John said, on May 9, 2017 at 11:54 am

        Agree, dirt.

    • chipower9 said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:17 am

      Most of those players would have to agree to the deal. See my post yesterday on full no-trade clauses, and partial no-trade clauses.

  10. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:51 am

    Yeah, the blame game is all encompassing, really, because all facets of the game of this team just suck. Obviously it’s on the players who aren’t performing to standards or expectations. But it’s also hugely (bigly?, does biggly have 2 g’s?) on management, who is responsible for lining up and, you know, managing the players. There is one thing that frosts my butt more than anything else, and that’s management and managers/coaches who say stuff like “these players are professionals, at this level, they don’t need a lot of hand-holding”. Then why the fuck have managers or coaches? Clearly, these players DO need something (more of an ass-kicking than hand-holding). Or maybe they just do not have the talent that management thought they had.

    I’ve loved Bochy and his previous Yoda-like presence, and he can only fill out a lineup card based on the players he has, and Sabes has brought 3 rings, blah blah blah… but in any organization, it’s management’s job to get the workers to perform. You can’t fire a whole team (although I could probably pick out at least 25% of the roster that really shouldn’t even be here), but you can make some changes that might just light a fucking fire under the players who are here. This is one of the most dead-ass teams I’ve ever seen… maybe just in light of that “champion blood” we all got used to… and someone needs to shake things up before this season is dead in early May…. “Comfortably numb” comes to mind. The team seems ok with losing twice what they’re winning. Not acceptable for OUR San Francisco Giants.

    • chipower9 said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:20 am

      GREAT post. LMAO on the “Clearly, these players DO need something (more of an ass-kicking than hand-holding).”

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:54 am

    Yep, Paul. This team reminds me of the Miguel Tejada press conference where he was all giddy and assumed he would go to the playoff just because he was wearing the Giants colors. It takes more than just showing up.

  12. wilcojoe said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:28 am

    For shits and giggles, I looked at the 1b for contending teams in both leagues and there really doesn’t appear to be any teams with a glaring need at 1b. So not sure there is much of a market for 1b. Seems like most teams are set at SS as well. Pitching (as always)is likely the area where the Giants may have some ability to find some trade partners.

  13. wilcojoe said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:32 am

    As great as his defense is, there are at least a dozen SS, whose bats are so superior to Craw’s, that his defensive prowess just doesn’t make up for it. It’s a good thing some here see him as untouchable, because the market for him is not as great as many would think.

    • chipower9 said, on May 9, 2017 at 12:36 pm

      Good points. He is not untouchable because of what he brings to the table, but because of what he means to management, IMO (home grown, blah blah blah).

  14. wilcojoe said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:37 am

    Of all of the contending teams, the Orioles, Twins and Yankees would have a significant upgrade with Crawford as their SS.

    • willedav said, on May 9, 2017 at 11:10 am

      upgrade over Grigorius definitely. Plus he’d hit 20 HRs easy playing in that stadium. Yanks could handle salary bump too…who could SF potentially
      get back?
      I look at CF in box scores every day and I just don’t see much out there.
      Willaimson homered and had couple hits yesterday, imagine he’s up soon. Played LF and RF too. but CF I don’t think there is anyone in minors.

    • chipower9 said, on May 9, 2017 at 12:40 pm

      Crawford has a full no-trade clause. So he would have to agree to a trade. I just do not see him ever wanting to leave the Giants.

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 10:39 am

    Bumgarner, Posey and Crawford are the only untouchable players. Probably Belt too because nobody will take him. Let’s say they do move Posey. He and Bumgarner basically came up together and seem to be pretty tight. Hard to see Bumgarner sticking around if they move Posey.

  16. Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 11:32 am

    “probably Belt too because no one will take him.” Solid gold

    • willedav said, on May 9, 2017 at 11:48 am

      Texas started Mike Napoli at 1b yesterday, now batting a cool .164. With all this supposedly untouchable players on a last place roster, Belt would be the guy at the position they could likely replace the easiest.
      And there are imo half dozen other parks
      at least where he’d put up better HR numbers
      Plus it might end the nonsensical bashing.
      then again, maybe not. knock yourself out.

      • Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 11:55 am

        we just have different opinions about his talent level. I agree that he’d have better numbers if he played all his games outside of AT&T. But he just spent 3 days in a bandbox and did nothing. He’s not as good as everyone thinks but that shouldn’t really bother me, should it? I like guys who aren’t as streaky and who don’t strike out so much and if they are going to strike out so much they hit more home runs.

  17. Dennis Zucchino said, on May 9, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    Deb and I are heading to Citi for game 2 . (yeah I got the tix before the recent meltdown).Wish me luck that my 60 mile ride home will be a pleasant surprise. Hell, I’m hanging on to the fact that every game of Mets vs Giants that I attended over the last 30 years has always been a Giants win!….

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 12:18 pm

      Bring home the W Dennis Z!

    • Macdog said, on May 9, 2017 at 12:20 pm

      Good luck Dennis, I’ll be there tomorrow.

  18. Macdog said, on May 9, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    To me, Moore has been the most disappointing player on this putrid team. I don’t expect every start to be like the near-no-hitter in L.A. or Game 4 vs. the Cubs, but goddammit when you’re handed a 4-0 lead in L.A., is it too much to ask not to give up a 6-spot right away? Or you’re handed a 2-0 lead before taking the mound last night, is it too much to ask to get out of the first inning without throwing 36 pitches or whatever the fuck it was while allowing 1 run only because of a fortuitous bounce against a Mets lineup batting Wilmer Flores at cleanup? And enough with the fucking walks!

  19. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    2B Joe Panik (L)
    1B Brandon Belt (L)
    RF Hunter Pence (R)
    C Buster Posey (R)
    3B Conor Gillaspie (L)
    SS C. Arroyo (R)
    LF Eduardo Nunez (R)
    CF G. Hernandez (R)
    P Jeff Samardzija (R)

  20. djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    So, was it a mistake to give Belt a long term deal?

    • sandog said, on May 9, 2017 at 2:59 pm

      No. But I think it was a mistake for him to sign it.

  21. wilcojoe said, on May 9, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    Blade, what’s the outlook for tonight’s Rockies game? I got completely screwed last night thinking the system was going to pass and they would just wait it out.

  22. Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 3:22 pm

    Tolbert and Flemming skewering Belt on knbr right now. Ouch.

  23. Macdog said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    Melancon on DL with a right pronator strain, whatever that is.

    • zumiee said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:15 pm

      My sketchy research says it’s something in his right forearm.

  24. djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    Nunie’s a riot!

  25. Macdog said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    What an absolute shit show.

  26. alleykat69 said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:26 pm

    Fucking A!!!
    Fuck no one can play this fucking game on the fucking Giants!!
    Fucking Nooner botches another fucking line drive into a fucking 2 run triple!!
    Fuck Fuck Fuck they all SUCK!!!

    • Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:29 pm

      well if you don’t like Nunie out in LF then be mad at the brass for not having a competent left fielder who can play the position. Dude is not an outfielder.

      • djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:33 pm

        True, Flavor, but he’s still a professional baseball player. For that reason alone he shouldn’t screw up that badly…

      • alleykat69 said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:37 pm

        Yeah BF, I’ll blame the brass on Centerfield as well.They don’t have a competent Centerfielder either!!
        And then the usual idiot comment by Jeremy, Well Shark needs to keep throwing he has good stuff and they need some innings out of him..
        Well screw that! Pitch everyone including Morse tonight, cause it’s gonna be another blowout..

    • xoot said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:04 pm

      On the radio Jon Miller called Nunie “timid” in the OF, after he let the first LD fall for a hit instead of trying to catch up to it. Then . . . . The pen is infuriating, but at least those mooks are able to get the job done once in a while. The LF/CF disaster area is just disgusting. Execrable. It’s been a long time since I attended a Giants game knowing they were completely out of the race for the post season. Petit’s near perfecto was probably the last one. Maybe Blach will pitch a near perfecto this Friday, huh?

      Mild right pronator strain. Is that code for TJ surgery? From the web: “In high-level athletes an MRI is often ordered to ensure that the pain is not coming from an underlying injury to the ulnar collateral ligament, also known as the Tommy John injury. Most of the time, a flexor-pronator strain is treated with rest from pitching for several weeks to give the tendons time to heal.”

      • djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:13 pm

        I was thinking the same thing, Xoot. He gave up on that ball way too soon…

  27. djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:29 pm

    I wonder if a position by position comparison to the ’85 team would be any fun…

    • xoot said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:05 pm

      Chili Davis CF

  28. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:36 pm

    I’m not even watching. They down by 5 yet?

    • Macdog said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:50 pm

      They are now.

  29. Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 4:52 pm

    anyone freaking out over the Melancon DL story is overreacting. The Giants would need to take a lead into the 9th some time over the next two weeks for this to be something to honestly worry about.

  30. djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    Darling compared Smarja’s deceptiveness to this:

  31. alleykat69 said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:04 pm

    I’m not freaking one iota over Melancon,I’ve barely seen him out there anyway to give a shit.Interesting that they gave him a few extra days of rest last week? Should of figured something was coming up with him the way this season has gone..

  32. alleykat69 said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    Kuip keeping the Belt 🔥burning hotter then at “The Burning Man”
    Belt just goes in this funk, hey 4 straight strikeouts in this series starting from yesterday!

    • Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:36 pm

      Shit, that team doesn’t look half bad.

      • Lurker John said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:56 pm

        Honestly, who on this team is going to top Hacman’s 62 RBI from that team? Posey? He has 7 fucking RBI on May 9th!

    • xoot said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:38 pm

      my memory’s old. I’d take Leonard, Gladden and Davis now.

    • wilcojoe said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:39 pm

      The 85′ team was far better in all OF positions and 3B. Today’s club is far better at the other 4 infield positions. Call it a push.

    • xoot said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:43 pm

      The tv feed just cast back to the 85 season.

  33. Macdog said, on May 9, 2017 at 5:51 pm

    My memory of that ’85 team was their hitting stunk. I just looked it up — Giants were last in NL in runs.

  34. xoot said, on May 9, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    SmaHRdzija’s mound music: Groovin’

  35. Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    Yan Gomes just hit a 3 run bomb (that’s just for me and Diggity)

  36. snarkk said, on May 9, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    So, just got home.
    Giants lost yet?…

    • Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 6:41 pm

      you accomplished more on your surprise early am head run than the Giants did today…..

      • snarkk said, on May 9, 2017 at 6:43 pm

        I’m relieved to hear that…

  37. Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 6:50 pm

  38. wilcojoe said, on May 9, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    Bochy doesn’t need the stress of this shit show. I really don’t want him to enter the Hall of Fame posthumously. He needs to walk away, now.

  39. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 9, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bruce gets put on some sort of a managerial DL at the All Star break ostensibly because of health issues. Mental health issues, at this point…. No one would blame him for having had enough and moving him upstairs for the rest of his contract. His work here has been brilliant at times, but I don’t know how he does it, night after night, at this point.

  40. snarkk said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    Don’t need to hear anymore of this “they’re trying to do too much” BS.
    They just need to play good ball, and hit. Looks like they can’t do that.
    Any other team with this kind of hitting — you can’t fire the whole team — so you fire the hitting coach.
    I know the arguments against that, but you gotta do something to start.
    This roadie is now a disaster, but one more loss in NYC, and it’s time to blow this puppy up when they’re back home…

    • Flavor said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:14 pm

      they are just going to blame this on injuries. Bum, Spam, the left fielders, Crawford, now Melancon. But it’s just a shell game, anyone with a brain should be able to figure this out. Of course, I thought that about our country and Trump and now we are where we are so maybe I’m overestimating the intelligence level of Giants fans if they buy that load of crap

      • snarkk said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:37 pm

        They started out badly before anybody got hurt; except Span. He had a bad hip from game 2 on, I believe, then hit the wall and has that mysterious chest/shoulder issue. Doubtful he’d be of much help “healthy”, whatever that means for him. Span has been a terrible pickup…

      • djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:54 pm

        Span is like Mark DeRosa all over again, except more expensive…

  41. djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    Hockey season over.
    Baseball season over.
    Summer about to begin.
    Wish I was 12.

  42. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    “Blow this puppy up when they’re back home”… Why wait?, maybe on the flight home, haha. I remember Loo’s solution to the 000 problem a year or two ago when they finished a series I think in AZ and were headed home. Just open up the plane door over Fresno and drop him off ….

    • djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:40 pm

      I’m pretty sure I offered a parachute…

  43. snarkk said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    KNBR reports every minor league team of the Giants is in last place in its league…

  44. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 9, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    I wonder if any of the players have tried bolstering the clubhouse morale, ala Pence in 2012 with his little rah rah stuff. Worked in the playoffs that year. Posey seems to be the only one performing on the field right now, but it’s definitely not his style to pep up the team, although I could see him finally being frustrated and getting in someone’s face if necessary… As frustrating as it is for us fans, imagine how it must feel to the players, who seemingly cannot dig themselves out of this….

    • snarkk said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:04 pm

      Part of management’s job, hell, a lot of the job, is motivating players. Coaches and Bochy have their share of blame here. Plenty blame o go around, but coaching staff cannot be immune…

  45. zumiee said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    Bochy does a great face-palm.

    He’s probably lonelier without Flannery on the staff. They are as much brothers as friends.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:19 pm

      Mojo comes, and mojo goes. I think it’s definitely gone at this point, but it can come back…. probably only with some changes that are not merely tweaks…

  46. djloo27 said, on May 9, 2017 at 9:18 pm

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