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Trifecta of Terrible

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 9, 2017

We are slow. We are weak. We are boring.

Try to refute any of this.

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  1. blade3colorado said, on July 9, 2017 at 8:39 am

    Late at night, in the darkest recesses of my mind, occasionally a glimmer of past glory surfaces.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 9, 2017 at 8:41 am

      Good night from ‘Nam . . .

  2. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 9:26 am

    column on sfgate online talks about trading guys off:
    Bum Belt Cueto get a yes
    Pence Posey Moore Panik no
    Span and Nunez yes depending on what is offered

    2 sentence brief synopsis per each…on Bum it noted he will soon be at age Cain and Lincecum fell apart and dreads big deal coming his way soon.

  3. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 9:42 am

    this was Kevin Lynch (from the SF gate site column) take on trading Belt:

    “Perpetually stuck in second gear. Belt looks like he’ll be a power hitter and then disappears. The Giants could do better and clearing his salary could create room for a power hitter. Do it.”

    First time outside of here I’ve read anything about trading Bum.
    On Moore, take was that they need to keep him to see if he’s fixable; also trade looks really bad right now because they wound up losing Duffy and the potential of Fox kid.

    • wilcojoe said, on July 9, 2017 at 9:53 am

      Interesting take on Moore. Yeah, no sense in trading him now when is all you will get is a bag of balls. Better off waiting to see if he turns it around second half and now you have a chip to play.

      Was his take the same on Pence and Panik?

      • willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 10:05 am

        He loves Panik as GG defender with very team friendly deal. Recognizes Pence (one year left on deal) is falling apart, but other than calling him “fan favorite” doesn’t really defend him much.
        His final words on trading Bum,”DO iT” he put in capital letters.

      • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 10:18 am

        Yeah, might as well try to fix Moore who at least has had some past success. Plus they’re gonna need SP next season with Cueto and Cain likely gone…

  4. djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 9:47 am

    I think Bum’s motion and size will enable him to be successful longer than Tim and Cain. Plus the fact that he doesn’t rely on velocity – rarely breaks 90-91 anymore. Should have torn up his contract after 2014 and given him 7/150 to keep him through 2021.

    What possible reason is there to keep Pence if you can get something for him?

  5. djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 9:50 am

    There is no reason to keep FA to be Nunie who can always be re-signed over the winter…

    • Flavor said, on July 9, 2017 at 9:52 am

      Well, he’s gotta get off the DL first and show he can play

  6. wilcojoe said, on July 9, 2017 at 9:57 am

    IF the front office decides to move any of their beloved Giants, I think it’s more likely to happen in the offseason, when no one is paying as close attention.

    • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 10:11 am

      Not so sure WJ. Seems like all sports are year round nowadays. Plus this is the time of year when the buyers might over pay…

      • wilcojoe said, on July 9, 2017 at 10:27 am

        I agree, I just don’t trust the FO in making it happen.

  7. djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 10:41 am

    Mac Williamson has the intensity of my refrigerator bulb…

  8. theroooster said, on July 9, 2017 at 10:54 am

    Lester this morning for the Cubs vs. the Bucs : 0.2 inn. pitched, 6 hits, 10 runs (4 earned), 3 BB’s, 2 HR’s.
    Cubs down 10-0 after 1.

  9. djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 11:29 am

    Cueto can really up his value with a strong performance against a tough lineup (unlike the one below):

    1. Denard Span (L) CF
    2. Joe Panik (L) 2B
    3. Hunter Pence (R) RF
    4. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    5. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    6. Jae-Gyun Hwang (R) 3B
    7. Nick Hundley (R) C
    8. Gorkys Hernandez (R) LF
    9. Johnny Cueto (R) P

    • Flavor said, on July 9, 2017 at 11:33 am

      My confidence in the donger is waning

      • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 11:43 am

      • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 11:46 am

        Looks like he would’ve enjoyed Candlestick…

      • theroooster said, on July 9, 2017 at 11:52 am

        In less than 3 weeks he’ll be 30. Can he be called a “prospect”???

  10. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 11:55 am

    In J Shea’s column today in Chron, under heading “3 teams that are lousier than expected” of couse are Giants followed by Cubs and Blue Jays.
    He writes,” No NL team has repeated as champion since the Big Red Machine of ’70s.”

    wow didn’t realize that. 3 in 5 really is pretty dang amazing given historical context of the league.

    • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 12:01 pm

      It sure is, Willie – and such an unlikely team to do it.
      My “didn’t realize that” moment yesterday was that Bonds career BA was under .300 (.298).

      • xoot said, on July 9, 2017 at 1:07 pm

        yeah, my argument in favor of Bonds DHing for a couple of years in the AL–get to 3000 hits and .300 lifetime. The black-balling colluders prevented that chase from happening. As much as I loathe Charlie Finley’s legacy in general, I’ll be he would’ve signed Bonds in an instant and used his mug shot as a marketing image on billboards all over Oakland.

      • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 1:25 pm

        I bet you’re right about Finley, Xoot. He only needed 65 hits for 3000, although getting the lifetime BA up to .300 (or .2995) would have been really tough. Doing some quick math in my head, he would have had to go 65 for 169 (.385) to get there…

      • xoot said, on July 9, 2017 at 1:59 pm

        that’s pretty quick

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 9, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    Sure, they’re slow, weak and boring but most games are over by the 2nd inning so at least they’re considerate.

  12. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    Boom! Brandons get em on the board.
    Be nice to get Showcase J a W on way out the door. and increase talent level here.

  13. unca_chuck said, on July 9, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    If Belt wont get us anything then trading him makes us a lot worse. Span is a waste but that tells of our lack of depth. Pence should go as well as he instagrams his way out of baseball.

    Basing Bummie on Cain and Tim is a foolish statement as well. He’s under his old deal anyway. No need to do anything till after next year. He fucked his trade value up so we won’t get shit for him if we do something this year.

  14. djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 1:38 pm

    Quite a prodigious blast…

  15. djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    Cueto’s trade value:

    • Lurker John said, on July 9, 2017 at 4:59 pm

      I don’t know where you come up with these images, loo, but that is perfect.

  16. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    Cueto did garner a ring with the Royals. For any team, but esp one like Houston, an extra 6-8 post season home games with a yard full of crazed fans paying playoff $$$ for tickets and everything else, quite a bonanza.

    HRs given up not a plus, certainly.

    • wilcojoe said, on July 9, 2017 at 2:40 pm

      Of all the names being mentioned for Houston, Cueto makes the most sense because of his playoff experience. I think that more than offsets the somewhat disappointing season he is having.

      • Lurker John said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:00 pm

        This is us hoping like hell Houston will give up something of value and take Cueto. I’m not optimistic after today.

  17. djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    No, it’s not the ball – it’s carry, the wind, the afternoon yard, and backspin…

  18. gianthead said, on July 9, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    Comparing Bum to Cain and Lincecum is just asinine. Bum has an ease of delivery and a true horse physically. Cain’s quick demise has been quite unexpected in my opinion. He never seemed to have structural arm or shoulder issues. The bone chips of all things changed everything….our current mgmt is dumb but not that dumb about the idea of trading Bum.

    I think Baer and company is quite ignorant of they think this team is close to being competitive. They have not proven they can bring in a big right-handed LF slugger via free agency nor trade. Pence is simply at the end as his Spam, regardless of recent health. They need to unload as many assets as possible and get as many hitting prospects as possible since they chat sign or trade for any of note.

    Moore is a relative cheap bargain for next year.

    The Yankees will come calling for Cueto and Belt…mark my words….

    • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 2:52 pm

      They also have use for Kontos, Strickland and Nunie…

    • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 2:54 pm

      Cain (like Jason Schmidt) also slimmed down quite a bit and I think that hurt both of them…

  19. snarkk said, on July 9, 2017 at 2:48 pm

    I heard that the Giants OF was a combined Oh for 12 yesterday, with 5 punch outs.
    You can’t win with an outfield doing that regularly, which is what they do.
    The entire OF needs to be replaced…

  20. wilcojoe said, on July 9, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    Lucius Fox, one of the prospects the Giants sent along with Duffy to Tampa for Matt Moore is Less is playing in the futures game.

  21. snarkk said, on July 9, 2017 at 3:12 pm

    Nice job by Okert and Strickland, they come in and allow 4 runs to score.
    What should we call this Pen?
    The Arsonists?
    The Kerosene Krewe?
    The Firestarters?
    The Matchsticks?
    The Unimposing?
    The Can’t Get Anybody Out Gang?…

  22. snarkk said, on July 9, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    Gorkys with his 0-3 so far, is back down to his more familiar .600 OPS zone…

  23. alleykat69 said, on July 9, 2017 at 3:34 pm

    Flammable Combustion?
    Nitro Glycerin?
    Death Row?
    Dead Bullpen Walking?

  24. alleykat69 said, on July 9, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    We Can’t ketch any breaks, Gorky takes one off his face and he stays in the game..

  25. gianthead said, on July 9, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    That guy I desperately wanted to get last year in Ozuna is having an MVP type of year….killing us…

  26. alleykat69 said, on July 9, 2017 at 3:57 pm

    Yeah unfortunately GH, what the Flap sees as legitimate trades pickups the Booby Evans/Sabes combo never do.The game has passed them bye in vision..

  27. djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 4:09 pm

  28. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    hundley and the kid pick up Posey.

    Gomez Addams, classic TV.

    • willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 4:11 pm

      and uh Mom was pretty hot too.

  29. alleykat69 said, on July 9, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    Cousin Itt was pretty cool 😎 as well..

    • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 4:42 pm

      Cousin Itt was my role model.
      Still is…

      • wilcojoe said, on July 9, 2017 at 4:52 pm

        Lol

      • Lurker John said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:11 pm

        Yes, and that is Itt with two T’s. lol

  30. Flavor said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    AJ Ellis? And we can’t hit balls out at AT&T. Fucking joke.

  31. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    so which giants pitcher should Stanton bring to HR derby?

    • Macdog said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:55 pm

      Hahaha.

  32. xoot said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    how the hell did I sit through 11 innings of this?

    • James said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:18 pm

      Happy hour at 4?

  33. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:12 pm

    If I’m not mistaken that was Specs second XBH of the season.

    • snarkk said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:18 pm

      Sun aided…

  34. snarkk said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:20 pm

    You had to know in the 7th or whatever it was when they tied it up, they left the go ahead run at 3rd with one out, and couldn’t get him in, they were doomed. That was it right there. As I’ve said, a POS team finds all sorts of ways to lose. At least they mounted a comeback, only to fall short again.
    Swept by Marlins at home is embarrassing, if the Giants were good. Right now, it’s just another ho hum stretch of suckage, though they showed some signs of life. At least that new Gomez kid? from AA got a hit…

  35. Lurker John said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:21 pm

    Nice way to stagger into the break.

  36. alleykat69 said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    If I’m Bochy I would go on a major bender like Nicholas Cage in Boozing Las Vegas during the all star break. Anything to get the stench out of this 1st half,which is just a extension of the 2nd half last year..

    • snarkk said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:46 pm

      Throw in Elizabeth Shue and maybe he’ll go…

      • snarkk said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:02 pm

  37. James said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    re the AJ Ellis HR and ATT, here are the SF pitchers’ home/away HR splits before today:

    33/65

  38. James said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    And for the hitters:

    22/51

  39. alleykat69 said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    Bochy looks so done in these postgame interviews.The exhausted look, the usual drawl, with welll the boys are battling hard,we get the pitching, we don’t get the hitting,get some hitting, no pitching..Sweat pouring off the huge dome and thick eyebrows was probably the highlight of the interview..

  40. Lurker John said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    Despite the trials and tribulations, Craw is leads the team and is tied for the NL lead among SS’s with his 45 RBI.

    • James said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:53 pm

      I posted on why that’s the case the other night. He’s seen a shitload of runners on base. That’s been true for all of his big RBI seasons, giving rise to the myth that he’s an “RBI guy.” He’s no more or less productive than his OPS.

      • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:59 pm

        The greatest RBI season to me was Deron Johnson in 1965…

      • Lurker John said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:04 pm

        At the end of the day, he’s driven in the runs. I don’t see how that’s a myth. If he hits the 80 RBI mark again this year it will be the third straight season. But sabermetrics says that a negative’s because his OPS isn’t good enough. Brandon Belt, OTOH, is over .800 nearly every season and has had 80 RBI once. However you want to spin it, I’ll take a SS who drives in 80 runs a year every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

      • James said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:12 pm

        Pretty darn good, even with the extra opportunities:

        in 680 PAs 130
        Actual Runners on Base 487 (222-168-97)
        Avg. MLBer w/ 680 PAs 66
        Avg. Runners on Base 401 (207-128-65)

      • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:16 pm

        Thank you for taking the trouble to look at it, James. I was hoping you would. I was a little kid in ’65 but I remember looking at box scores and thinking who the hell is this guy with so many more RBIs than Mays who would hit 52 homers that season…

      • James said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:17 pm

        It’s not spinning anything, LJ. The reality is Crawford’s been a pretty good offensive shortstop who’s gotten more than his share of RBI’s because he’s also been very fortunate. If he was at a 750 OPS, he’d have another 10-15 RBIs this year.

  41. snarkk said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    One full season of AS break to AS break now.
    I think these guys are south of 30 under .500 in that season’s worth. Somebody probably has the exact nasty number. It’s beyond outhouse level performance. In one season of that on lots of teams, everybody gets fired except the owner…

    • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:54 pm

      64-98 (.395)

  42. Macdog said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    Giants have been swept at home by the Nats, Mets and Fish. When does Philly come to town?

    • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 5:55 pm

      8/17 thru 8/20 (4 games)

      • Macdog said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:00 pm

        The validity of the sellout streak will be greatly challenged during that series.

  43. willedav said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    One thing I noticed about Craw was power drop off. Giants of course dead last NL in slugging.
    XBH per AB going into today:
    Craw 1 for 12.5
    Posey 1 for 10
    Belt 1 for 8.5
    Panik 1 for 11
    Nunez 1 for 12 and 0 Triples how does happen?
    Span 1 for 10.5
    Pence 1 for 19 yikes 14 in 250 ABs
    Slater 1 for 14 7 in his 100 ABs hmmnn nice BA lotta singles

  44. theroooster said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    Ha! Leaving Las Vegas has some classic lines. One of favorites :
    “I don’t know if I started drinking ’cause my wife left me or my wife left me ’cause I started drinking, but fuck it anyway.” Good movie

  45. alleykat69 said, on July 9, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    It’s no wonder George Kontos gave up 2 bombs to kill this game.
    G-Mac had a show with him and dumb shit Amy G on a golf course trying to show her some tips about golf lol.. She’s in her designer clothes talking baby talk( very annoying)and hitting dribblers off the tee and slamming putts off the green. Sure he wanted to wrap his Driver around her neck..

  46. James said, on July 9, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    BTW, Loo, here are the runners on base numbers for Mays in 65:

    RBI in 638 PAs 112
    Actual Runners on Base 373 (205-110-58)
    RBI Avg. MLBer w/ 638 PAs 62
    Avg. Runners on Base 376 (194-120-61)

    You can see that Willie was the superior offensive player to Deron in 1965, despite the RBI totals. Note that Mays saw below the ML average number of runners on base. Willie was playing Belt to Deron’s Crawford . . . . relatively speaking, of course 🙂

    • djloo27 said, on July 9, 2017 at 8:48 pm

      Thanks again, James.
      Willie never had very good “table setters” in San Francisco…

      • James said, on July 9, 2017 at 9:29 pm

        It’s kinda astonishing how much better Mays and McCovey were than the rest of the line up. E.g., the Alou brothers were shittier than Nate Schierholtz or . . . Fred Lewis, except for a couple years Felipe put together in the early 60s.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 9, 2017 at 11:32 pm

        Exactly Loo. Thus the ad infinitum 2nd place finishes in the 60s.


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