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A Problem That Won’t Go Away

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 15, 2017

Still winless on the season, let’s see if the Giants can get this Bumgarner guy a win today. I am very interested to see how how he does. I could see this going any direction….

This blister thing with Cueto is frustrating. He thinks it has to do with the ball being harder or flatter seams or something. He’s probably not going to make his next start and he is completely untradeable at this point.

More and more pitchers are dealing with blister problems. MLB is probably more interested in all the home runs that are coming from their juiced balls so I don’t expect we’ll see any changes to the balls. So either Cueto has to figure out how to throw these new balls without scuffing up his finger or he’s got a big problem on his hands (fingers).

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  1. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 9:33 am

    He’s going to be missing starts at $750,000 a pop. Yikes.

  2. djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 9:33 am

    I like Cueto’s theory, Flavor. Assuming he’s never had blister problems before WTF would he suddenly start having them after all these years?

  3. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 9:37 am

    I kind of chuckled at Krukow’s praise of Cain for taking the bullpen assignment so well. The Giants are going to be paying Cain about $17 million for this half-season of bullpenning. Cain’s going to be just fine.

    • zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 9:39 am

      I’m counting the 2018 option pay-off, too. No way Cain’s a Giant next season.

  4. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 9:43 am

    K-Rod is now in the Dumpster pile. Sabean’s fingers are probably twitching.

  5. alleykat69 said, on July 15, 2017 at 9:53 am

    17 mil for a BP guy and not even a closer(well that’s obvious) has to be a record..yikes

  6. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 15, 2017 at 10:37 am

    Gotta find the positive so I’ll take a win, however they got it, to start the second half. I think Cueto is way better than he’s been preforming and the blister issue makes sense. If he is still here next year it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Nice job by Dyson last night. Adding him to Smith, Melancon and Strickland (if he’s still here) and you’ve got a pretty good BP to start next year with. Half of those guys being healthy is the problem I suppose. That still leaves Booby with the task of fixing the outfield though.

  7. pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 11:08 am

    I read somewhere yesterday that Noonie wants to stay, said we have the best talent or something. They have to adjust his Adderall dosage. Speaking of which, bring back Vungo! Or was it Yungo?

  8. pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 11:19 am

    Pretty convincing essay saying what zumiee, and perhaps others, posted the other day: the Giants way of baseball is obsolete. The writer says it’s like an NBA team with no three-shooters. Math provided for James. http://scores.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/81268/giants-must-take-wrecking-ball-to-lineup-at-trade-deadline

    • theroooster said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:16 pm

      Good article, Pawlie. I have to admit, though, I miss seeing more situational hitting, hit and runs, run and hits, bunts to move a runner over, or (gasp!), even try to score one from 3rd. Bunting going the way of the Dodo – this season – I don’t remember the number – the lowest amount of bunts at the break in history. Everyone on the Dodgers, except maybe Forsythe and Utley swing for the fences almost every single time. Can’t argue with the results, but I do miss small ball when it’s called for.

    • James said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      I saw this Pawlie and the analysis is suspect. OPS is OPS, it doesn’t matter how you get to a good one. What’s noteworthy in all of this is that, even though the offense is terrible, the team is on pace to hit slightly more HRs this year than last. That’s a reflection of the overall shift across the ML. The right way to look at this is, if the team OBP were closer to last year’s, a higher percentage of the increased number of hits needed to get to a 329 OBP would be HRs, boosting the overall slugging percentage. It’s a combo of age, talent deficit, and off years, not a question of style. The article claims the team would struggle to be at 500, even if everyone were hitting well. He’s right, because the pitching is on pace to give up 800 runs. A Giants offense that scored 800 runs at ATT should be more than adequate to win 90 games.

      • James said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:47 pm

        Or to put it another way, a team that plays at ATT shouldn’t have to score 800 runs to win 90, even in a period of increased offense.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:37 pm

        a. I like the strategies roooster describes b. Thanks, James; I gess I can be easily swayed any direction by sabermatricians

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:48 pm

        *guess *sabermetricians

  9. snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    Giants with massive comeback last night after a somnambulistic start. The Pads are crap, so that means these games are strangely competitive…

  10. snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:08 pm

    BTW, Shea says this morning that Cueto probably to the DL with blisters. Whatever the cause, the Giants have totally blown this situation with him. They should have DLed him earlier, and get the fingers healed up for a few games healthy to showcase before the deadline. The season dead, they pitched him anyway with this blisters hit. Now, he’s near worthless to trade. This front office is in full-on Cluster F mode. Which is why this bringing back Bum right now is another move that has serious backfire risk, IMO…

    • Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:36 pm

      absolutely. It’s like they just wake up everyday hoping shit will work out. Blisters are a very real problem for pitchers, you can’t just listen to the pitcher if they want to try to pitch through them. By Cueto’s own admission, he has never had them. So why not treat it cautiously instead of running his *gamer* ass out there every 5th day? Now we’re stuck with him.

    • zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      They’re afraid to do a big rebuild. They’re afraid of losing bandwagon fans. So the Giants are one of those teams stuck in the middle. Not near good enough for the playoffs, and not doing a big rebuild.

  11. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    Interesting article, Pawlie; thanks!

    • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      Didn’t understand a word of it.
      It was like trigonometry homework..

      • James said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:11 pm

        See my response to Pawlie above. A rising tide lifts all boats, even the leaky ones.

      • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:23 pm

        Is this what you mean?

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:38 pm

        that’s hilarious, Loo — I’m confruszed too

  12. djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 12:44 pm

    It’s one thing to age and have your body break down, but Pence looks like he completely forgot how to play baseball. He will be in RF for us (alongside Span) on opening day 2018. Count on it…

    • zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:14 pm

      Both another year older; yikes.

    • Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:14 pm

      yeah, it’d weird to see how far he’s fallen. He looks like he’s in pretty good shape. The guy’s only 34. And yet he plays like his 44.

    • snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:37 pm

      His decline has pretty much matched the time with his girlfriend/wife…

      • Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:14 pm

        if true, that is fucking pathetic.

  13. Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    Vida Blue and Bill Laskey were yammering on this morning on KNBR about what it’s going to take for the Giants to get back in this. Vida was adamant that they had to win 15 of their next 20 at home. Laskey went down the LU calling out every hitter we have. It was astounding. These 2 guys really believe this year isn’t lost.

  14. snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    Interesting article on all the increased finger blistering in MLB pitchers. It’s the ball, baby.
    Seems to me, if the seams are lower on the ball, you’ve got to put more pressure with fingers on the ball to get the action you want, compared to higher seams that require less pressure to get the spin/movement you want. More pressure, more friction, more blisters…
    https://theringer.com/mlb-pitching-blister-increase-baseballs-d585997d1857

  15. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:52 pm

    Trump’s son-in-law has hired a lawyer named Ty Cobb, I kid you not.

    • snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 1:59 pm

      Everybody in the Drumpf administration is lawyering up.
      Who knew “draining the swamp” meant draining the swamp of underused attorneys?…

    • snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:03 pm

      The list of Russkies attending that never-happened meeting in Drumpf Tower with Drumpf, Jr. and Drumpf’s SIL that Jr. suddenly remembered did happen, right before the NYT was to release emails confirming it, seems to keep growing. Like Junior’s nose. Maybe at the end of this we’ll hear Jr. finally remembers, though it was understandably a forgettable minor detail, that Putin and papa Drumpf were on speaker phone…

      • zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:25 pm

        CNN did a June 2016 timeline today that was very insightful. Even Fox News has a few broadcasters finally acknowledging the blatant reality of the story.
        Trump’s crew was so reckless in having that meeting. People have served prison time for less.
        Not saying anyone will ever serve time, but this story isn’t going away.

      • zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:28 pm

        The crime would be conspiracy to defraud a U.S. election, a federal crime. The crime that sent Watergate people to prison.
        Interesting days ahead for the nation.

      • zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:30 pm

        The crime, if proven, I should say.

      • snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:37 pm

        Yeah, Fauxsters Shep Smith and Chris Wallace were discussing the “lies” of the Drumpf administration. Actually using that word. FauxFollowers are now unsurprisingly calling for them to be fired. I wish Mike Wallace were alive and kicking, maybe only 70. The guy would be on Drumpf and his minions like a Lab on a pork chop…

    • James said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:49 pm

      Wonder if Gianthead is considering Heinie Manush.

      • snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:55 pm

        Heinie had a helluva opening statement…

    • pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:50 pm

      I saw that in the news. Ty Cobb. I wonder if he goes to ballgames and punches people in the stands.

    • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:09 pm

      Yeah, and my dentist’s name is Van Lingle Mungo…

  16. Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    Johnny Blisters to the 10 day DL.

    • snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      Yep. Your Giants front office in full Cluster F display.
      I could say unbelievable, but that would be a lie…

  17. alleykat69 said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    How come of all our outfielders Gorkys the only one that doesn’t land on the DL?

    • snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 2:59 pm

      Only the good die young, too…

  18. pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    in defense of the front office, I just don’t think they figured his blisters were that bad…

    • Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 3:12 pm

      fuck them. He’s been dealing with this for 6 weeks, they are fucking morons if they thought this was going to magically get better. If it healed up in a week, fine, but 6 weeks? Idiots.

  19. James said, on July 15, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    Pawlie, it has little to do with sabrmetrics. If the Giants were hitting more period, they’d have a team HR total that looked more like a “normal” 2017 team.

    2016 Team OPS = 728 HR=130
    2017 Team OPS = 680 HR currently 76, projected to 135 with same shitty OPS the rest of the year

    If the 2017 team OPS with the same group of players was again 728, they’d have a lot more than 135 HRs.

  20. djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    1. Denard Span (L) CF
    2. Eduardo Nunez (R) 3B
    3. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    4. Buster Posey (R) C
    5. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    6. Hunter Pence (R) RF
    7. Joe Panik (L) 2B
    8. Gorkys Hernandez (R) LF
    9. Madison Bumgarner (R) P

    • Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:15 pm

      #fullsquad….(this is a joke if any of you remember David Lee a few years ago talking about having everyone back)

      • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:20 pm

        Was this after he rejoined Van Halen?

  21. theroooster said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    Aroldis Chapman blows the save last night without recording an out. Craig Kimbrel blows the save today.

    • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:27 pm

      The Dodgers final record will be 123-39.
      The Giants will finish 59-103 (64 GB)

      • zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:37 pm

        lulz!

      • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 5:17 pm

        Fun fact: The 1962 Mets (40-120) finished 60.5 games behind San Francisco…

  22. Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    Wilco, what are the chances the Astros would give us the younger Tucker for Smarge?

    • willedav said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:37 pm

      He (Wilco Joe) is going to be up here next week, right?. any chance we ask him in person?

      • Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:52 pm

        he’s gonna be in Pacifica but I think he’s going to a game. I wasn’t planning on being in SF next week but I could see it happening

      • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:56 pm

        Wilco Joe must be great to hang with…

      • wilcojoe said, on July 15, 2017 at 5:16 pm

        Yeah, we fly out tomorrow. Staying in the city tomorrow night, then Pacifica on mon and tues night. Likely going to the Giants game on mon or Tues night.

        Regarding Kyle Tucker for Smarge? Who knows? Giving up the #11 prospect in baeball is a lot more than I think Houston would like to do, but the market for pitchers is looking extremely thin. That would be a huge win for the Giants and worth the risk for a title if your Houston, IMHO.

      • wilcojoe said, on July 15, 2017 at 5:24 pm

        Smarge’s contract at $18m per year, isn’t the worst in baseball, let alone on the Giants. With Cueto on the shelf, Smarge’s value is on the rise, especially when you look at that sick K to BB ratio.

  23. djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    They’ve been reviewing a play in the Yankee-Red Sox game for like 15 minutes now…

  24. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    Speaking of the baseball Ty Cobb, he was in three straight World Series, and never won one.

  25. willedav said, on July 15, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    Why didn’t Nunez steal2b? at one point chacin threw 3 straight curves. Dude’s best asset is how well he runs. He would have scored on Posey’s hit, no?

  26. theroooster said, on July 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    Chapman walks Bogaerts on four straight to open the bottom 14th. Game nearing it’s end.

  27. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    Bellinger hit for the cycle today. Are you kidding me?
    The season win record is 116. The Dodgers are putting that record in play.

  28. theroooster said, on July 15, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    All those fools who buy into the stoopid myth of there being a HR Derby jinx need look no further than Bellinger hitting for the cycle 2 games removed from competing in it.

  29. willedav said, on July 15, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    gad same thing there. If Pence had moved Craw over from 2b Giants would have scored.
    chacin doesn’t have it tonite got to get more off this guy while he’s still in there.

  30. theroooster said, on July 15, 2017 at 7:03 pm

    First 71 games of their career

    Judge: .267 BA, 46 R, 54 H, 19 HR, 40 RBI, 35 BB
    Bellinger; .261 BA. 50 R, 68 H, 25 HR, 58 RBI, 33 BB

    • zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 7:14 pm

      Tough to compete against a Yankee for media attention.

    • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 11:46 pm

      Pointless Dodger propaganda and West coast paranoia.
      Judge’s numbers from last season are irrelevant, Capon…

  31. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 7:12 pm

    Belt has his ongoing battle of wills with the umpires.

  32. Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    you know what’s not funny? AMPM’s Toomgis. So fucking stupid.

    • chipower9 said, on July 15, 2017 at 7:28 pm

      I HATE those fucking commercials. Lame shit…almost as lame as trump.

  33. chipower9 said, on July 15, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    Just finished competing with my dog and at a brewery in Truckee (Fifty Fifty – kick ass brewery). Is Bum on a pitch count?

    • Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 7:49 pm

      no one seems to know. How’d your dog do?

  34. Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 7:52 pm

  35. pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    Emmanuel Burriss sighting. My first time at a Chiefs’ game this season. He had a hit and scored in the 9th. Pawsox 7 Chiefs 4.

    • Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:16 pm

      he’s a machine. How old is he now? Still grindin’

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:44 pm

        He’s back after being suspended for PEDs; word is that he likes his weed. Is it true weed is not a banned substance?

      • pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:45 pm

        At one point the Syracuse Chiefs had the worst record in all of pro ball; might still be so.

  36. Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    good for him. That guy took about 30 concussions for us, he deserved a chance to smash a loss in our face.

    • Macdog said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:38 pm

      He also stuck it to Giants back in April, hit a game-tying HR in 9th off Melancon and Pads won in extras.

  37. Macdog said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    And so it goes.

  38. zumiee said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    I hate our bullpen.

  39. Flavor said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    Bum looked great.

    • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 10:24 pm

      He’s a first ballot HOFer and he won the 2014 WS all by himself…

  40. xoot said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    I’d prefer Hector S backing up Posey now instead of Hundley. And I’m sure Hector enjoys wearing his 2012 ring. Good for him. Bad for Okert, who deserves a good pejorative nickname now

    • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      Courtesy of Unca Chuck, Okert is O’Crap and Osich is O’Shit.
      He was being kind…

      • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 10:59 pm

        At least they’re Irish…

  41. pawliekokonuts said, on July 15, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    I completely and totally expected a loss in the 9th. Walked into the other room. Came back. Over.

    • djloo27 said, on July 15, 2017 at 10:18 pm

      Must be great to have another room…

  42. snarkk said, on July 15, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    Posey gave Okert a target low and inside.
    Okert threw a belt high ball over the middle. Boom…

  43. blade3colorado said, on July 16, 2017 at 12:59 am

    In a lost season, it’s hard to get upset about Hector’s bomb. Although his stats don’t show it, his manager loves how clutch he is, saying:

    “It’s fun seeing him succeed,” manager Andy Green said. “He’s been such a good teammate and he’s had such limited opportunity to play. He’s been big for us. He’s been worth like probably three wins.”

    Green was referring to four of the switch-hitting Sanchez’s seven hits this year are homers — three as a pinch-hitter and then Saturday night’s walk-off.

    Hector was a good Giant, i.e., taking numerous shots to the head and I personally thought he would never play again. Glad to see he’s still having some success in MLB.

    • willedav said, on July 16, 2017 at 7:23 am

      seem to remember he had couple PH bombs for SF too. Just never liked his D much, tho he couldn’t have been worse than the Prez. Yeah hope he can stay healthy enough/avoid concussions.

  44. willedav said, on July 16, 2017 at 7:26 am

    Re: Belt vs. umps. The Pads had shift on with 1 guy on left side, so the pitch Chacin threw him low and on the outside corner was completely away from his D. Might not have been a strike, but perfect op for Belt to knock that into wide open spaces on left side of diamond. Worse case he fouls it off, like the bunt attempt he missed in earlier AB.


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