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Winning Without Their *Best*

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 24, 2017

With Belt and others still sidelined, the Giants keep finding ways to win. Moore, I don’t know what to do with Moore. Or Melancon. He was on the radio 2 days ago tempering enthusiasm about his numbers since he recently came back. Refusing to say exactly what is wrong with his arm, he mapped out a hazy off season plan and basically just said “it’s good enough now to pitch.” WTF? What good is it going to do us next year if he’s dragging that elbow out to the mound wrapped up in hope and a prayer?

The crude design Unca Chuck posted at the end of the last thread is intriguing. Stick a waterfall out there and let’s get this done ASAP…..

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  1. willedav said, on August 24, 2017 at 6:46 am

    yes .500 ball, I think 2 games over this month minus Panik belt Pence out a few games yada yada. Moore and other SPs except for blach (Stratton in cueto out) with multiple quality starts which are to me Giants most important route to success. .500 team in the NL these days, you are still in contention for WC.

    Are we still talking about Melancon? Yes the injury bugs him even with rest. But he can still get hitters out. I don’t think he has given up a run in 7-8 outings, unlike quite a few other pen guys. He pitched 2 days in a row recently and struck hitters out. To me he is a class guy for sticking it out to help the team as much as possible and not just laughing all the way to the bank and checking stock options from the whirlpool.

    He has a right under MLBPA not to discuss any injury in public. I don’t blame Evans for signing a closer nor medical staff which I’m sure monitors his condition with all concerned on a daily if not hourly basis with Bochy Rags et al.

    And anyway him going down in first place allowed for Dyson to happen, blessing in disguise in dismal season.

    • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2017 at 7:45 am

      Great perspective on Melancon, WillieD. I absolutely agree on all points.

      I had for a long time said leave the damned ballpark alone (dimensions, fences, etc.), but am coming around to some tweaks. Charlie’s graphic at the end of the thread is interesting.

  2. Bill Fleming said, on August 24, 2017 at 9:24 am

    Teams don’t bring in the fences nowadays. They move up home plate and then add seats behind accordingly. This could be an option.

    • djloo27 said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:19 am

      None of the shit we talk about is ever happening…

    • sandog said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:20 am

      I have pushed for that option as well, though I think ATT would be a tricky place to do that–I think mostly because it make the foul lines so short. …and I got no problem with that—nobody pulls the ball anymore anyway.

      As for what to put in the black area in Chuck’s drawing—–how about a freaking bullpen???
      A bullpen with a waterfall, a bullpen with an aquarium, a bullpen shaped like a giant cable car or maybe shaped like a giant Ghirardeli chocolate bar. I don’t care. Just put in an MLB caliber bullpen.

    • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:25 am

      Not true. The Padres brought in the fences at Petco for the 2013 season.

      • alleykat69 said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:47 am

        Yeah your right Chi,Ryan Klesko bitched about their dimensions for the whole time he played there.Sure he felt the same way with are park..

      • djloo27 said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:49 am

        3 Championships with the current dimensions is hard to argue with. Might take several more horseshit seasons before a radical change like this is even considered. Could they have fit a bullpen in the spot where they built that stupid fuckin’ kale garden?

    • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2017 at 11:46 am

      Loo – my opinion is that there is not room for bullpens where that “stupid fucking kale garden” currently exists. 😉

  3. unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:57 am

    That may be a garden there, DJ, but there’s an awesome whiskey bar there as well.. ..don’t fuck with that shit.

    • chipower9 said, on August 24, 2017 at 11:46 am

      Agree. Forgot to mention that piece in my response to Loo.

  4. zumiee said, on August 24, 2017 at 11:48 am

    Regardless of how some of the fans may feel about the garden, the place is a huge hit. It seems like a lot of ballparks now have those kinds of places where people can just mingle, and singles (and maybe some not single) flirt with others.

  5. zumiee said, on August 24, 2017 at 11:54 am

    I wouldn’t totally write-off a ballpark change happening someday, if only because Larry Baer does like to keep his ear to the ground. At heart, he’s a salesman. That was his beginning with the Giants: a salesman promoting ticket sales. When the questionable “sold-out streak” was starting to get a lot of negative attention in the press and in blogs and on call-in shows, Baer decided to end that “streak.” Like all salespeople, he’s always watching to see which way the tide of opinion is going. If the ballpark-dimension dissatisfaction reaches a high enough profile of agitation, it’s possible something could happen.

    • zumiee said, on August 24, 2017 at 12:00 pm

      And, in the short-term, a quick fix could be made. A relatively low-cost padded wall could be quickly put in place to cut off deep right-center; and then have architects spend some time doing some designs for the longer term.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2017 at 12:04 pm

      No, they’d do it in the offseason.

      • zumiee said, on August 24, 2017 at 12:12 pm

        That’s what I meant. I didn’t mean during the season. 🙂

      • alleykat69 said, on August 24, 2017 at 12:25 pm

        Oh hell do during the season so we could watch Span dodging carpenters &seagulls..

      • unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:01 pm

        Too funny.

  6. alleykat69 said, on August 24, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    New bullpen area are Whiskey 🥃 Bar?
    Fuck the bullpen, Whiskey 🥃 Bar stays!! to get my skink on!!!

  7. willedav said, on August 24, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    would it make sense to put Strick on waivers just to see what would happen? Lot of pen issues lately around playoff teams like Yanks Tribe Cards with Rosenthal facing TJ. Is this guy no one here would miss? Would it matter much what you got back?

  8. Macdog said, on August 24, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    The Yanks-Tigers game is nuts, one brawl between Miggy and Romine and another bench-clearing after Betances hit McCann in the head.

    • djloo27 said, on August 24, 2017 at 1:39 pm

      Unlike those weekday afternoon snoozers they usually have at ATT – even in good years…

      • Macdog said, on August 24, 2017 at 1:43 pm

        Except this game also is ridiculously long, even without the bench-clearings. Adam Warren apparently is the Yanks’ version of Gearrin.

      • Macdog said, on August 24, 2017 at 1:51 pm

        Another fracas!

  9. zumiee said, on August 24, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    About the umps complaining about disrespect from the players….the disrespect was inevitable given how replay is proof of how lousy the umps are. OK, they’re mediocre, at best. They blow half of the close calls on the bases, so they are no better than just a coin toss. And the players and fans are fed up with each ump having their own personal strikezone, and also blowing so many pitches, as evidenced by the K-zone technology. What’s there to respect about how the umps do their jobs? Really. OK, they can stand up for long periods of time without taking a break. I’ll give them that. But a lot of people could do that, and do it with less attitude.

    • Flavor said, on August 24, 2017 at 5:43 pm

      I actually think the challenges are worse than the officiating. Umpiring a game is hard to do, there are bound to be screw ups. But MLB teams pay guys to watch replays in slow motions and then decide whether to challenge and they fuck up the challenge ALL the time. It’s like they don’t even know the criteria and we’re what? Three years into this?

  10. Flavor said, on August 24, 2017 at 7:51 pm

  11. unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    LQTM . . .

    And Bruce fricking marries the widow of OJs lawyer. . .

  12. unca_chuck said, on August 24, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    This one had me laughing like shit,,,

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