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Shoptawk, With Daniel

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 3, 2017

Daniel and I have both been busy this week but we did manage to exchange a few q/a. I asked him 2 questions. The first one was about Wacha and whether there were any lingering bad feelings about him for Cardinal fans (the way we feel about Solomon Torres). Here is that answer:

Daniel said: “Nobody, at least nobody I’ve seen, has ever laid any of the blame of Ishikawa’s blast on Wacha.  Absolutely none.  All of the blame–and yes, people still reference this at times–went straight to Mike Matheny.  Wacha hadn’t pitched at all in the postseason up to that moment.  He’d not had a spectacular September either after coming off a DL stint that saw him miss July and August.  He probably shouldn’t have been on the postseason roster at all, but it looked like they were just saving him for one of those blowouts that you need a guy to take some innings.  To have him then inserted, compromised and rusty, into a position where the season was on the line was one of the biggest mismanagement examples of Mike Matheny’s career and there have been so, so many to choose from.”

The second question had to do with Mike Leake who I have always believed to be a small market, small game pitcher. His answer was thoughtful and encompassing, as usual:

Daniel said: “I well remember your distaste for Mike Leake.  There were people before the deal that were trying to float something about Leake going to San Francisco and when I saw it, I’d immediately cut it off given the response y’all had, which I think was fairly representative of most Giants fans.  Leake was solid at times for the Cardinals.  He didn’t get a lot of defensive help last year, which as you know is big for him.  I think he pitched better than his numbers indicated last year.  He got off to a fantabulous start this year, with an ERA under 2 going into his last start in May.

Nobody expected him to keep that up, but I don’t think anyone expected the freefall that came after.  ERA isn’t the greatest measure, of course, but after May he had a 5.78 ERA, a mark that just kept climbing.  Before his last start in Cardinal red, his August ERA was 10.31.  Folks kept wondering if there was an injury (or hoping the team would make one up).  It was reported that the manager and staff didn’t really want to run him out there for that last start, but the front office overruled them.  We know now that was because they were trying to deal him and build a little value.
This was kinda like when you have a big piece of furniture you want to get rid of and you tell people it’s theirs if they haul it off.  The Cards sent a little international cap money (which they couldn’t use anyway) and $17 million with Leake to Seattle, mainly to free up roster flexibility over the next few years.  They needed someone last year to fill Lance Lynn’s innings, but some prospects have developed faster than expected and now there’s a roster crunch.  Nobody is disappointed that Leake is going to be pitching elsewhere (and I saw he had a great start to his Mariners career) because Leake’s not the kind of guy that engenders excitement and loyalty.  He’s a fine pitcher, he’ll probably do OK elsewhere, but we want to see the young guys and what they can do for a while.”
Hopefully he’s around to interact today. I am at a Ribs cook off in Sparks, Nevada today but will check in when I can.
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  1. zumiee said, on September 3, 2017 at 7:35 am

    Fun fact: my mom graduated from high school in Sparks, Nevada.

  2. zumiee said, on September 3, 2017 at 7:39 am

    At Daniel’s website, I mostly agree with what BF says, but I do think Blach has been a bright spot for the season. And maybe Stratton is becoming a bright spot, too.

  3. Flavor said, on September 3, 2017 at 8:22 am

    Zoom do you have that link? I’m sure Daniel will provide it if he’s around. I’m on my pH the rest of the day. Dirt, you at this rib cook off? Seems like a place you’d stomp around during vacation weekend

    • zumiee said, on September 3, 2017 at 9:09 am

      You already have the link on the Flap page, under “Blog roll.” Listed as “The Cardinal blog.”

  4. unca_chuck said, on September 3, 2017 at 8:45 am

    Fun fact. Reno is so close to hell, you can see sparks.

  5. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 8:54 am

    Like to know if Daniel feels any shakeup coming to Cards mgmt. if they are unable to make playoffs again. Matheny was given an extension earlier; twitterverse went ballistic over removing Lynn and bringing in Oh yesterday.

    Also, how where why are the Cards able to come up with so many OF prospects?

    • Flavor said, on September 3, 2017 at 9:11 am

      One thing I know about Cards minor lg system is that their players play a lot of different positions down there to increase their flexibility at the next level. It’s actually a brilliant approach

      • djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 9:38 am

        What does Daniel think of the Cardinal’s side office?

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:12 pm

      Hey, guys! The downside of a weekend series is I’m not online as much to hang out. Hope you all are well.

      Matheny has a three-year extension that doesn’t actually start until next season. The front office announced this extension the day after the Cubs won the Series so you can imagine the reaction. I think Matheny’s not quite as secure as he’s been, but I also don’t see them eating that entire contract. He’ll be back next year but we’ll see after that.

      As for OF prospects, they’ve done a great job of getting a lot of good ones, though nobody seems to be the All-Star that we expected Oscar Taveras to be. They will probably have to package a few of these guys over the winter in search for that real offensive stud that they need.

  6. alleykat69 said, on September 3, 2017 at 9:40 am

    My sis lives in Reno I was going up to the Rib Cook off been to many, but a bunch of my friends are going up to Lake Alpine starting after the holiday for a annual shindig of camping, fishing,drinking, and seriously great food so I had to bail on Reno just didn’t want back to back long drives..Enjoy the Cook off BF it’s well represented from every state, all claiming they have the best ribs and sauces, can’t beat some of the honky states,Alabama,Georgia,Kentucky,Tennessee!!!

  7. snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Notice that little thing about Cards shipping off Leake is that the Redbirds are PAYING $17 MILLION to Seattle to get rid of him. And, the Giants print more money than the Cardinals. Giants management take note how a great organization accepts its mistakes and moves on to better its club…

  8. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    On his blog previous thread Daniel mentioned how 5 of the guys playing that day (previous series vs. Brewers I think) were in AAA Memphis at start of season. One of them was the DeJong kid at SS. Last year they had the Diaz kid at SS, a rookie who was an AS but who got hurt and slumped this year.
    so they bring this guy up and all he does is hit team leading 20 bombs…which is total for Giants starting OF Span Pence Gorks all season. Unreal.

    • snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 12:25 pm

      The Cards are constantly re-loading from their minors with good talent to the occasional really good. That’s why they never have diastrous seasons like this one for the Giants. They may be up and down around .500, but they don’t have a true shit show season like this one and the last half of last season. They don’t end up putting dudes like Gorkys and retreads and never-been like Marrerro, Hill, and now Moncrief. Moncrief? WTF? The guy comes out of Cleveland’s career minor leaguer trash heap almost directly to SF. What does that say about the Giants own minor league system’s OFers, and that includes the guys hurt. Nobody home grown at AAA or AA was better than this trash heap dude exiled from Cleveland’s system? As usual, Giants system is ranked anywhere from 17 to mid-20s in MLB, with a few bright spots like Arroyo, Shaw, etc. Giants need to figure out what the Cards and LA scouting and develpment is doing that they are not doing, and get it done. LA is now going to win its 5th division title in a row. You don’t do that kind of consistency with luck; you do it with good scouting and willingness to spend dough on it. Yeah, Giants went 3 of 5, now they’ve run off a cliff. I think off season, the replaceable spot from within that they can get an outfielder prospect in trade for is Panik…

  9. snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    I’d like to hear from Daniel on his assessment of the Cards’ minor leagues and why it keeps generating good, new players — at least from my POV it does. If they had a manager that could manage pitching like Bochy, they’d be in pretty good shape…

    • willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 12:55 pm

      maybe we’re going about it all wrong. Instead of trying to find other teams players we go after their scouting and development guys.

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      I think the biggest reason that they can consistently get production from minors is good scouting but also “The Cardinal Way”. Not the mythical one everyone assigns to them but the written manual of how things are done on the field and off. So when they get to the bigs, all the things and approaches are the same. That comfort allows them to step in without missing a beat.

  10. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 3, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    The rib cook off is a great event that I regularly attended when I was up there but we’re not going this year. If you can find a trailer with beef ribs I say give them a try. Best to go early to beat the heat and avoid the late afternoon heat exhaustion drunk fest.

  11. djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 1:16 pm

    Now “Luke Weaver” sounds like someone who would fire a shotgun at a plane buzzing around his land…

  12. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 1:16 pm

    Hella grab from Gorks. Blanco type moment if bum, uh…?

    • snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 1:34 pm

      That catch probably means he gets an extension for next year…

      • djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 1:49 pm

        Just saw it on replay. Pretty amazing…

  13. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 1:28 pm

    Always kinda amused at the Giants TV promos with Posey in them where he’s blasting a HR as Kuiper is calling it…”he hits it HIGH he hits it DEEP…”
    Um, he has 3 at ATT all year.

    • djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 1:33 pm

      And Hundley has 4…

    • snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 1:38 pm

      Buster’s lack of HRs can be attributed to some extent that he has no LU protection. But, he’s definitely declined in pop. He’s now pretty well overpaid in that contract for what he does offensively. And, sorry, I don’t think you get $20 million because you frame pitches really well. The Pen sucks, so his value in making that situation better seems suspect. The utter lack of star power on the rest of the squad bumps up his relative importance to the team and his PR value…

  14. theroooster said, on September 3, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    • Flavor said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:01 pm

      Guessing potg will not be Mahtook today

      • djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:16 pm

        I can’t believe what I just FUCKING saw…….GAAHHD!!!

    • alleykat69 said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:07 pm

      That was dumber then even Canseco one off his helmet.The ball was bouncing back atleast 3 ft back to Mahtook when he did his volleyball spike impersonation..

  15. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:12 pm

    Giants add Calixte and Wiliamson.
    Meanwhile couple Cards DeJong .865 OPS and 20 bombs coming in and Martinez who got 15 ABs last year and has 200 this year with 10 bombs and .855 OPS, both RH hitters, crack no doubt bombs back to back off Bum.
    Where do they find these guys?

  16. djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:21 pm

    That was fuckin’ launched!

    • willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      True and I’d pay to watch him. But dang that’s 3 that left the yard and one Gorks saved in 6 innings and now the rbi double. Gonna need some help today.

  17. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    Never heard of this guy. Turns out he’s 23 yr old rook from Riverdale NY. Second bomb of year in less than 30 ABs, RH OF. Same amount as Parker.

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:38 pm

      Bader was probably the top hitting prospect the Cards had going into the year. I honestly expected he’d get dealt before he made it to SL given the OF. DeJong obviously passed him this season but Bader still has a solid future.

      • alleykat69 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:45 pm

        Yeah Daniel, Darth Bader another in the line of outfielders that your Cards have found, while the Giants continue to kick tires with the worse scouting department in the big leagues..

      • Cardinal70 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:50 pm

        I don’t follow a lot of other farm systems. It’s that bad for SF? A lot of busts or feeling the effects of a lot of lower-round picks?

      • snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:37 pm

        No mlb quality Ofer developed in system since over 20 years. Not one. I’d call that pretty terrible…

  18. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:36 pm

    Gorks should have called him off and caught that. He’s faster and better OF.

  19. alleykat69 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:41 pm

    Theirs no excitement in this season and theirs even less with the same retreads on the callups.
    Don’t we have enough stiffs on the 40 man roster to move off to add guys like Shaw, Duggar etc?

  20. Cardinal70 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    BTW, anyone that wants the direct link to Craig’s answers at my site: http://www.cardsconclave.com/2017/09/02/talking-giants/

  21. djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:46 pm

    Cardinal pitcher works fast. No dawdling around…

  22. djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    I may commit suicide from these Honda commercials…

  23. djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    Gorky Agee

  24. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    awful game but Gorks with another great grab. He’s saved at least 4 runs by himself today.

  25. snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:12 pm

    The Cardinals crap minor league outfielders better than the ones we pull up from Sac or grab from a scrap heap to start in SF…

  26. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:31 pm

    I like this guy. This has to be an option for SF next season—trade off Belt, stick Posey and a back up like Shaw play 1b, let Hundley and FedEx C. Gets RH bats into LU and saves $16 mil.

  27. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    wow another nice grab from Gorks, unreal. But this is why Giants have to have superior defenders in CF and RF to save runs for the pitching staff, SPs and pen alike.

  28. snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    Giants suck donkey dongggg.
    I’m hoping now they actually lose 100+ games.
    That will be the only memorable thing about this season; and make it harder for Baer to argue that only tweaks are needed…

  29. Macdog said, on September 3, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    Today’s game in a nutshell: A pitcher who hit better than he pitched, and a leadoff batter who fielded better than he hit.

    • snarkk said, on September 3, 2017 at 4:09 pm

      Bum is not the pitcher of 2014; either by age, his injury, or both. No way I give him a 6 year Mega – deal …

  30. Macdog said, on September 3, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    Rockies only a half-game ahead of Brewers for 2nd wild card. But don’t despair, Rox fans: The Giants are coming to town.

  31. willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 4:28 pm

    Thanks to Daniel, appreciate responses and chance to watch his team which had good weekend. good luck rest of the way. And much props for knocking LA out of playoffs last couple times you had the chance. Can’t happen again soon enough.

    • Cardinal70 said, on September 3, 2017 at 4:59 pm

      Well, as insane as it is, it does look like there could be another chance coming in 2017. If so, I’d surely like to make you happy in this regard!

  32. zumiee said, on September 3, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    Padres beat the Dodgers again. Cool.

    • willedav said, on September 3, 2017 at 5:11 pm

      So did AZ series before that. Nice to see these guys don’t just beat up on Giants.
      Even with Seager out of there Dodgers LU had 3 of top 4 guys over .900 OPS.
      That off season signing of Forsythe at 2b looks like a bust tho.
      And “he said wood” loses again.

      • Macdog said, on September 3, 2017 at 5:27 pm

        As did Brewers series before that.

  33. zumiee said, on September 3, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    I saw this online:
    Dodgers & Tigers have made the playoffs a combined 16 times after Kirk Gibson has left their teams, and no World Series championships.

  34. djloo27 said, on September 3, 2017 at 8:25 pm

    Is there still a drought in California?

    • zumiee said, on September 3, 2017 at 8:29 pm

      At the moment, no, but we’ll see what happens this winter.

    • alleykat69 said, on September 3, 2017 at 8:33 pm

      Only Giants baseball for now..

    • xoot said, on September 3, 2017 at 9:32 pm

      No. The huge winter storms soaked everything, to the point of bursting. Now, however, with the bursting plants drying out, the weeds are tall and dry and the slightest spark from a passing truck lights wildfires. We’re in bad shape, although earthquakes could make things worse.

  35. zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 10:56 am

    Fun with numbers:
    The Dodgers now have to go 24-2 to tie the wins record.
    22-4 would get them a tie with the ’98 Yankees, with 114 wins.
    19-7 would get them a tie with the ’54 Cleveland team the Giants defeated in the World Series.

  36. djloo27 said, on September 4, 2017 at 11:48 am

    If I were a Dodger fan I wouldn’t be worried about this little tailspin. The 2000 Yanks won it all despite losing 15 of their last 18. Everyone without a team in the PS will probably be pulling for Houston (or Cleveland)…

    • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:05 pm

      I’d like it to be Houston vs. anybody but the Dodgers or Cubs. The Houston storyline will be a very strong one now.
      For the first time ever, though, there’s a Yankees team that I like to watch.

    • Macdog said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:08 pm

      The Yankees also had won three of the previous four World Series titles entering the 2000 playoffs.

      • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:14 pm

        And, of course, came extremely close to winning it in ’01.

    • snarkk said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:16 pm

      Dodgers coming back to earth a little now is actually good for their post season prospects. They’d have more pressure if they hadn’t had some smell of a losing streak before then…

      • theroooster said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:27 pm

        Yeah, I’ve been saying the same thing to the cliff jumpers on the other blog I visit. Good timing for a slump – still plenty of time for them to figure it out and get back on a roll. Besides, it’s been obvious that Roberts has taken his foot completely off the pedal. Giving all the core guys rest, playing the bench guys and now with the roster expansion, he’s been having his September tryouts. There’s always a danger purposefully not giving a crap about winning games and trying to find out what the callups can do. But then, some would argue there’s always a danger going full steam ahead and wearing out your A-lineup as well. There’s a happy medium in there somewhere. Most Dodgers fans assumed by resting the regulars here and there, playing the kids, that the Dodgers would play close to .500 ball. I don’t think any saw them losing 8 of 9 or whatever it’s been. Their SP has been the main culprit in their recent slide, but whatever, better for them to slump now than a month from now.
        Oh, and that stoopid regular season win record is gay- glad to see they won’t get near that useless thing.

  37. snarkk said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    Bochy just talking to Flemm re: Panda now at Oh for his last 29: “He’s pressing”, but still “I like his presence in the lineup”…

    • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:07 pm

      Bochy shows a lack of SABR awareness sometimes. Bochy is old-school, for better and worse.

      • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:10 pm

        Bochy’s had a lousy last season and a half. The team has sucked, and Bochy has made a lot of questionable decisions.

      • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:11 pm

        The Detroit fan would have gone insane.

    • snarkk said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:21 pm

      On field and front office management of the Giants has ossified.
      Look at the recent resurgence of the Raiders, and now apparently the Niners headed toward improvement, with intro of totally new front office and on field management.
      Giants should do the same. With 3 recent titles in the bank, the fanship wouldn’t blink an eye. It’s ownership being overly comfortable or overly controlling with this front office that is the major problem in the near future of the Giants. ATT is a blessing and a curse, because the Cubization of the fan base insulates management from making tough and proper baseball decisions…

      • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:36 pm

        Yeah, the front office has been pretty inept the last few years. Resting on their laurels and fan adulation. BF called the front office lazy at the beginning of the season, and that seems spot-on. Signing a guy because he was seen at a wedding was the epitome of that.

      • djloo27 said, on September 4, 2017 at 1:10 pm

        Is there no talk of the future of Bochy’s and his staff out there?
        Like is it ever a topic on sports talk shows?

      • Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 1:17 pm

        zero talk about his future in all the call in shows I listen to (which is a lot)

  38. A Giant Step Toward the Wild Card Race said, on September 4, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    […] with our favorite Giants blog and while I’ve posted the answers I got from Craig, he also posted the answers to the couple he asked me, one of which asked how much blame folks put on Michael Wacha for the ending in 2014.  That was an […]

  39. Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 1:16 pm

    Also, Billy Ham just went yard. Gallo playing later today in Atlanta. Let’s see if he can keep pace.

    • snarkk said, on September 4, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      Having Pablo back has really energized the squad — for another nap…

  40. Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    in a sportsbook yesterday, the Tiger game was on. TV panned a shot of Asmus and all I could think about was how that guy can’t manage a baseball team…..

    • djloo27 said, on September 4, 2017 at 1:40 pm

      “a FUCKIN’ baseball team”…

  41. zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    Four Dodger minor league teams made the playoffs.

    • theroooster said, on September 4, 2017 at 2:51 pm

      Actually, so far 5 of 8 Dodgers MiLB teams have made the playoffs and the Raptors only have to win one of 4 games to clinch – so soon to be 6 of 8.

      • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 2:55 pm

        Well, that’s just being greedy.

      • theroooster said, on September 4, 2017 at 3:17 pm

        Dodgers scouting impressive. 40 teams in the DSL. Every MLB team has a team and 10 have two. They all get to draft players to play for those teams internationally. Then they get to sign players not drafted to fill them out. Whether they have 1 or 2 teams. Out of 40 teams, the Dodgers had the 2 best teams comprised of international 16, 17 and 18 YOs.

  42. snarkk said, on September 4, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    What are the odds that SF going into late innings in Denver tied, will actually be able to win this one?…

    • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 2:57 pm

      I’m going to say not great.

  43. Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    • unca_chuck said, on September 4, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      Jeebus. Walk off walk?

    • unca_chuck said, on September 4, 2017 at 3:27 pm

      Business in the back, party in the front. It;s the mullet of clothing.

  44. unca_chuck said, on September 4, 2017 at 3:31 pm

    Walk off walk. This season gets even worse.

    For all the flak Bochy gets, he’s not putting Merrero on the 40 man, or Panda, or Gorkys, or Williamson or Okert or Ositch or Kontos or any number of horseshit players he’s forced to stick in the lineup.

  45. unca_chuck said, on September 4, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    The scouting department needs to be gutted from top to bottom. Everyone must go.

    • snarkk said, on September 4, 2017 at 4:43 pm

      Ossified. How can you not draft eve One mlb quality OFer in over 20 years. It’s caught up with them, a very comfortable management when 38k tickets are automatic for every game, though maybe only 25-30K are showing up now…

      • Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 5:00 pm

        the cardinals draft guys and then turn them into outfielders if they can. Or turn them into infielders. The flexibility that allows them can’t be understated. The Giants are doing this with Shaw, I think. They need to do more of it. And less honky’s please.

  46. Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    triple for Gallo but no HR (so far). Shit, does he just toss the triples back? Too small?

  47. zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    Bochy and the front office needs to give up on Sandoval. The experiment is over.
    And send Williamson off with him.

    • Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 5:53 pm

      wish twin was around to comment on this entire Sandoval thing.

  48. Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    in case anyone is still out there who is against robot umpires:

    • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 6:07 pm

      It was Joe West, too. The king of suck.

  49. zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    J.D. Martinez goes yard. Arizona leads L.A. 2-0. No Goldschmidt in lineup tonight. He has a sore elbow.

    • Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 7:02 pm

      Went yard again.

      • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 7:12 pm

        Cool!
        I know you wanted their collapse to wait until the playoffs. But I get a kick out of the collapse starting already.

      • Macdog said, on September 4, 2017 at 7:30 pm

        And again.

      • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 7:31 pm

        J.D., have a night!

  50. Flavor said, on September 4, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    he just hit his 4th of the night.

  51. Macdog said, on September 4, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    Overshadowed by Martinez’s bombs: Ray 14 Ks in 7.2 innings.

  52. alleykat69 said, on September 4, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    It’s not very comforting to know Giants management is clueless when it comes to a power hitting RH slugger who jacks 4 bombs, but hey it’s the Giants Way when it comes to outfielders!!

    • zumiee said, on September 4, 2017 at 9:38 pm

      They passed on both Bellinger and Judge in the draft. Either one of those guys would have been nice.

  53. snarkk said, on September 5, 2017 at 1:10 am

    Well, finally they fess up and admit what we’ve known for a long time, and called out quite some time ago despite radio silence from the Giants. You don’t sit out two+ months as a reliever just because something is sore. He had this S since 2012? WTF? You sign a guy for $64MM and don’t figure out this S before, or even do an MRI? Somebody tell me why delaying this surgery for even one more day makes a lick of sense given the situation at hand. I don’t even trust the Giants medicos to have diagnosed this properly, but if that’s the conclusion, WTF are they waiting for — because the pitcher wants to pitch more worthless innings so he has a month less time to rehab for ST next year? The below report just boggles my mind. This Giants front office and field management is certifiably idiotic, incompetent or Bat S crazy, or all the above…

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/04/breaking-giants-mark-melancon-to-undergo-surgery-for-rare-muscular-syndrome/

    • zumiee said, on September 5, 2017 at 5:27 am

      Span and Will Smith were also damaged goods when they were signed.


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