Another L for LA(me)
I’ll just have trust the box score since I saw exactly one out of that game. Last night bad met shitty and shitty prevailed. The Giants pinned the 11th loss in a row on the Art Dealers—their longest losing streak since moving to LA. Think about how awesome that is. And don’t forget this:
Player of the Game is Zumiee who made it all the way to the end of that game, posting like a boss the entire time.
Huge props to Chris Castellani who took time out of his busy college life to answer some questions about his viral video.
Today’s thread was written and uploaded entirely from the side office of my home. There. Got that out of the way early.
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If the question is, how many people skipped the game, then that answer is correct.
Yeah, I can’t believe my eyes either, but it does indeed read Giants 8 Dodgers 6. Way to go Giants — and Zum!
Awesome Zum. Dodgers pitching fails them again—Maeda Ravin Watson Cingrani Baez. I think this will be what ultimately does them in. Have to have more than Opie and Jansen to win 4 game series vs. top teams.
I was surprised LA picked up Granderson—what’s east coast take on him at this point in his career? He got off to terrible start and then picked it up is what I read on MLBTR and then was part of Mets sell off. Still an every day CF?
The pic of that SI cover reminds me of being 8 years old and watching that movie Carrie. KTVU channel 2. That movie scared the shit out of me. “dirty pillows.” oh my.
Hah! Saw that movie at the Redwood Drive In. Epically awesome movie. I made it to 4-0 Giants when someone hit a sac fly. As much as I’d like to lose 100, beating LA is much more fun. Adding to their misery is gravy (Garvy?).
It was fricking 97 and raining in the Creek yesterday. Followed by a lightning storm last night. Hey Toto, we ARE in Kansas!
lightning and loud thunder plus some rain in afternoon south bay, very humid and hot. I was listening to Miller and caught the Stratton K to start game, more lightning still here.
Giants W is 5th in last 17. Obviously they can lose just enough without Belt as with him. Pitching to me is more important. Blach and Smrdz can be equally good or bad, and pen guys even last night capable of giving up a lead or making things worse instead of better.
Posey hitting over .300 refutes the wear and tear of C ruining him. Putting Hundley and Jones in the LU on regular basis weakens D at 2 spots and doesn’t provide any more hitting either. Giants have a lot of things to figure out in off season but finding everyday 3b and CF way more important than 1b and Belt.
Posey may still be hitting but his power numbers are way down. Belt isn’t going anywhere. He’s infuriating, but he is not the problem.
But I agree about how to fix. I’d say 3 OFers and 3-4 pen guys. NONE of the pencilled-in guys got better. Oshit, Okrap, Clockwork Orange, Southbound Suarez, TFLR, and Melancon all failed, got hurt or did both. The temp guys all were train wrecks.
Dyson has been a gift. Suarez has shown some ability to be the long guy. Crick is OK. Law started well and faded. Give him a look.
Maybe 5 relievers . . .
Maybe zumiee can give us some Doghair blue blog tidbits after last night. Should be amusing…
This Dodger fan is having a cheery morning:
Its all my fault. I knew I shouldn’t have trusted the Dodgers. They always break me.
Posted by Bluehorde17 on Sep 12, 2017 | 7:40 AM
I’m thinking of opening a new store:
Side Office Depot.
What an epic collapse.
Posted by Julio Nievas on Sep 12, 2017 | 6:57 AM
Each day I wake up saying, perhaps the nightmare will end tonight, and, nope.
Posted by Scully’s Tie on Sep 12, 2017 | 7:52 AM
The regular season is not an indicator of post season outcome. Even the Cubs winning last year. The Giants, who weren’t even any good, could easily have knocked them out if it weren’t for that bullpen nonsense. The dodgers could bounce back or they could easily keep sucking. Their pitching isn’t very good. Either outcome wouldn’t surprise me
Thanks zum.
Doghairs fans seem in a resigned state; a torpor. Like the team. Thing is, they still have two weeks to snap out of it…
I agree generally with Chuck. My first order of business is fix the outfield. The team is non competitive next season if it goes with another year of this POS OF. Total OF makeover, whatever it takes…
Thanks to whoever posted the link to the 1st Chris tigers video. Classic!
Would love to fix the OF but $18.5M for Pence and $9M for Span next year. They are not going anywhere. No free agents under 30 this year. Youngest are Rasmus 31 (NO!) Bruce 31 (NO!) Cain (maybe). My pick is Justin Upton. Bats right. War 5.1. has power and speed. Won’t need / get superstar money..
Upton has an opt out after this year. Think he will stay with the Angels? Sabean will probably go out and get BJ and hope for the best:(
He’s said before he hates playing here. Also he’s put up pretty good numbers this season so probably expects to be paid handsomely. I think Cain is more reasonable and to me CF is bigger issue than corners in that they are harder to find unless you want the Cameron Maybin types.
Giants guys like Smrdz blach Moore give up loud contact so I think you need CF and RF to have good range at ATT to help them out on anything catchable.
Regaring the movie “Carrie:”
When it came to movies growing up, I was a pretty sheltered kid. My parents never took me to see anything the slightest bit scary/violent and I didn’t see those types of movies with friends either. When I was 12, two friends (Greg Griffin and Eric Lindsay) invited me to the drive-in with Eric’s parents to see Carrie. My mom and I had never heard of the movie, but I can still remember listening on another line as Mrs. Lindsay explained to my mom that the movie was fairly tame and it should be a fun time for all. As it turned out, the movie scared the hell out of me and I was a bit of a mess in the car while watching it. Meanwhile, Greg and Eric were scarfing down pizza and candy bars having a great time. I remember when they dropped me off at home, Mrs. Lindsay actually apologized to me for putting me through such a traumatic experience.
Side story: a couple years later Greg moved to Sacramento. He had this cool Honda Trail 90 motorcycle we used to ride around on at his house in Woodland that had a big yard. When he moved to Sactown, his family offered to give the motorcycle to me, but my parents politely blocked the deal. I, of course, was furious and pitched a big fit. The motorcycle ended up going to Eric and he was later killed in accident on that same bike while we were in high school. He was a good dude—born on the day JFK was shot. RIP Eric Lindsay. Last I heard, Greg Griffin worked in the pro-shop at Poppy Hills Golf Course.
wow losing a HS buddy at that age, tough one.
Saw the Brault kid picked up a W last night– went 6 1 hit shutout innings for Pirates over Brewers.
Notice SD St. already has 1 W over Pac 12…
Damn. That’s terrible, Dawg. I knew a lot of guys that rode bikes, and I did a little, and there were a lot of crashes, but no fatalities. Buddy of mine had a Honda 450-4 cyl that I rode a little, my other buddy’s CB 250, and another friend’s Harley 1000 sportster, but street riding scares the shit out of me. I’ll go too fast and crash into something.
Those Honda 90s were pretty fast for what they were. And they are bulletproof. Friend of mine has the same one his dad bought him in 1974. One kick and it goes.
My brother got a Sears mini bike for christmas in 1972 that had like a 5 hp briggs & stratton motor. It came in a box and we had to put it together. Except for the engine falling out a couple times, it ran pretty well. It looked vaguely like this one
I had a similar experience with ‘Halloween’. I saw that movie in 1978 at some kid’s birthday party. I would have been 10. Michael Myers and his 12″ blade absolutely scared the shit out of me and scarred me for the next several years with nightmares on most nights. Kid’s name was Bob Little and his parents should have had better judgement at a birthday party for a bunch of 10 year old kids. I’ve lost track of Bob, but I won’t forget that experience.
The Giants have little control over who agrees to play for them (assuming offers are close). But, they have control over players acquired via trade. Only premium chips we have that are somewhat duplicative are Belt and Posey. We should trade one of them. Posey would be a perfect fit for many good teams in the AL. Should get a premium return. Or, trade Belt for a “good” player and move Posey permanently to 1st. Defense will suffer a bit in two places but maybe Posey will get back some power. Also, player in return should fill an OF spot or a young starter.
OSF
Both have contracts that we would have to eat about $75 mill of combined. Not gonna happen.
Stan the Giants will never trade Posey. Never. Belt maybe but he is at a low point value wise right now due to his health and giant contract.
Willdav…so you move Span to left if we get Cain?
Just a thought..Upton will be paid, but Giants have the money. Is he worth the $25 mil a year it would take? Pence and Span come off the books after 2018 season. They need a big hitter and L Cain doesn’t fit that bill…
Yes bochy has already said Span moves to LF. I think they can get by without power hitter (like boston does)—just need more good hitters up and down LU with better OB. I mentioned J Up a year ago or so and others here told me he’d never agree to come here as FA. Not surprising I guess.
I saw on MLBTR that J Dyson is done for year and will hit open market next year. Just the kind of guy I hope SF doesn’t get. Good field no hit.
PS Law of averages says SF a .500 team next year if they do nothing. Amazingly they had almost career worst years at every position except catcher among the 8 starters, and also bad years from every single starter except Shark, and bullpen is a mess and can’t be worse.
The 2018 schedule is out and the Giants & Dodgers open in LA.
A WS flag raising would not be pleasant for us…
Willie—thanks for mentioning Brault’s win. That is win #1 for him in his career.
If the Giants did absolutely nothing in the off season except for dropping Matt Cain and signing Lorenzo Cain, I’d be happy with that. I think they are stuck big time regarding moves they can make. I for one am not down with trading Posey or Bum. In my book, that would be like the Yankees trading Mickey Mantle or Whitey Ford.
I’m not entirely skeptical of the old guard, although Pablo should not be on the roster next year. Adding a good player (or two) like Cain could result in a competitive, low launch-angle Red Sox-like offense; however, the pitching status quo just isn’t good enough to keep them in contention past July, even without The Horse.
They might also benefit from the lighter workload on the 3 injured pitchers (Bum, Cueto, Melon)…
The season would have some redemption for me if the Art Dealers lose the division.
this team as presently constructed, even with the Cain exit and the addition of a healthy Melancon and Fucking Lefty Reliever, has absolutely no chance of competing in today’s new game. You don’t blast home runs, you don’t compete in the game today……
Thank you…
Wrong. See Boston Red Sox. They are dead last in AL for bombs and lead the division because they allow fewest runs due to excellent pitching and OF D.
O’s and A’s and Reds blast a ton of bombs and they all suck. There’s more to winning baseball than that.
Thank you…
See 2017 Boston Red Sox. It is always has been about OPS on offense, and how good your team ERA is on defense. It is possible to have a good team OPS without being among the league leaders in HRs. See 2012 Giants.
Interesting things going on with the 2018 schedule:
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/253826800/2018-major-league-baseball-schedule-released/
And screw the Dodgers. Best team ever my ass.
20 in a row for the Indians. Holy sheepshit.
4th team in the past 117 years to win 20 straight games. Mighty impressive.
It’s extremely impressive and a totally underrated achievement. Which is why it’s mind boggling how few people were there to see it.
The park looked sold out to me.
66% full and that’s just the number of tix sold. I’m sure there were a lot less than that in the park
Corey Kluber is a stud extraordinaire.
The A’s had a crowd of 55,528 when they won their 20th game in a row in 2002. The Indians had 24,654 tonight as they won their 20th. Further proof that Cleveland is the worst sports city in the country.
i stole this and shoved it in @vernthompson face
things were different in the Bay Area in 2002. On Oct. 6 that year, PS the a’s sold out vs. the twins, the Giants of course sold out vs. the braves, and regular season the 9ers sold out vs. the rams. I attended the Giants game, watched the a’s lose on tv while batting practice went on, and later talked to some people who had rushed over from the football game. The entire Bay Area was obsessed in 2002. The a’s and the big 3 etc. were right in the middle of that frenzy. that’s why the a’s had decent attendance, then.
I signed up for google earth back in 2004, when it first started, because I need some aerial photos of a big construction site to use as evidence. The app was called something else back then, and you had to pay for it, maybe 20 bucks for a year’s access. After I snapped my evidence, I roamed around and to my astonishment discovered that images for the Bay Area had been shot on Oct. 6, 2002. I first noticed the long autumnal shadows. Then I saw the full parking lot at the E Coli. Zooming down, I could see players on the field and the stands, pre-tarps, almost entirely full. I dragged the cursor over to China Basin. Cars were beginning to fill the parking lot and players were warming on on the field. Down to Candlestick, and the stands were packed, the parking lot full. Meanwhile, every freeway and every main thoroughfare was essentially empty. There was almost no traffic, anywhere. Things were peaking in the Bay Area circa 2002.
I don’t think Cleveland and the Bay Area are comparable, certainly not circa 2002.
Since July 22nd, the Giants have won 20 games……
lol
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With all these new-fangled stats, winning 20 games ain’t what it used to be.
lol. Also, Gallo hasn’t gone yard in 10 games.
Oh no! OPS 884, batting avg, 207 is still fucking crazy hilarious.
I guess we’re lucky Opie didn’t go yard.
Cueto’s pitching his way to a 4th inning yank.
If a rook needs more at bats (Austin Slater etc) in winter ball , why not a vet like Span& Pence who are likely switching positions to LF hopefully,in a platoon,get time playing their in winter ball?? Beyond them being a vet? Union?
Giants dumbass stubbornness to wait to spring?
the last thing Span or Pence need are more miles on those tired wheels.
While the Tribe are an excellent hitting team, they are 8th in AL in HRs.
But they lead the league in dang near every single pitching category–ERA runs hits HRs allowed Ks yada yada.
In this day and age and any other, pitching still rules. It actually might be even more important in juiced ball era—the ability to hold down the other team becomes paramount as opposed to trying to outslug them.
they have 2 guys with 30+ bombs and 2 guys with 20+ bombs. Not every hitter has to hit home runs obviously. 4 of their 9 BLAST the ball and 3 of the other 9 are 10+homeruns (and 2 of those guys have been hurt most of the year). They have big time power.
yes they do. So does LA, but just like Tribe they also lead the league with lowest ERA and in a bunch of other pitching stats.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the teams with best pitching and who allow fewest runs are the best in their respective leagues.
and LA has power hitters on their team. I am not saying you have to lead the league in home runs, I’m saying you have to be able to blast the ball out of the park. Even Boston, who is last in the AL in bombs, have 9 guys in their LU who can ALL hit home runs. Obviously pitching is still important, I’m aware that is a big part of the game. What you can’t have is a line up full of slow, weak hitters. It won’t matter how good your pitching is if you have 8 guys who can’t hit for power or run. We need guys who can hit home runs. It doesn’t need to be a line up of 8 Joey fucking Gallos
I agree, williedav. Ol’ time superior pitching still has a place…a huge place.
Pence is worse than useless right now.
he was curiously good leading off last night / early morn
Same with today as well.
Aghh, Gorkys Fart is leading off.
Joe Posnanski’s column at MLB.com yesterday shows how singular the streak is…and he wrote it at 18 straight.
Specs!!!
SPECS! yeah first one all season
Specs!
Kelby the Blaster!
Wow. Just wow. He missed that by 2 feet. Cueto may be rethinking that re-up.
ooops, looks like it might be time for Winter ball to start.
Can’t blame Span for the crappy OF defense tonight.
And ass bite Utley launches one in the Cove!!
WTF Slater??
Ball had a better chance hitting your uni then your glove!!
If it hit him in the gut, he mighta caught it.
Blehhhhh. 3 errors so far. Not sure how many have been called.
That’s too bad he lost the lead, but the long fly out should have been 3rd out of the inning.
This team of to old of veterans and to inexperienced of youngsters with little talent is just to unbearable to watch anymore!
Rather watch Carrie are I spit on your grave..
Nothing like cramming the usual fuck-ups into a game vs. Kershaw.
Jeeebus. How bad is this team?
Phantasm is the all-time great in horror schlock.
“You play a good game, boy. Now it’s time to die!”
I like how Hunley was 2′ off the bag when the ball was hit for a base hit. Nice anticipation there, skippy. I mean he prolly woulda been thrown out anyway, but not by 20′.
These guys are fucking sleepwalking. I thought Vince Coleman was teaching these guys how to run the bases. We easily have the least amount of runs scoring on hits with RISP.
And then why send him home there? How was that supposed to work?
Cueto got paid $750,000 for that stellar effort tonight. Nice.
He had to pitch through 3 errors. He wasn’t spectacular, but he was not helped by his defense.
Giants OF defense stinks…
Slater forgets what to do yet again/.,
Dogs doing their damnedest to keep us in this game.
Ball 4 . . .
Ho hum. Leave it to Calexico.
And we do our damnedest to piss opportunities away. Fuck fuck fuck fuck this team.
Our bench demon is Roger Federer?
And that’s the best off the bench in a big spot like that?
According to the script we give up 2 here.
Wow. Specs with the D!
Because Law sucks. He needs to go away.
Law, Osich, whatever.
These guys have had enough time the last two seasons to get their S together.
They flat suck…
The Journey song is back. All is right with the world.
I noticed that, too. Sad.
Sandoval was overmatched. His bat is slow.
Not that Panda is lighting it up but I’d have arather seen him instead of Federer a couple innings ago.
ANd the whiff.
Speaking of the Red Sox….Betts hit 2 HRs and a triple tonight. It’d be nice to have an explosive player like that.
one more comeback?
The cumulative stats at
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/bat.shtml
show that the team runs per game avg. is 4.67 this year. HRs per game are off the charts, but the overall scoring is not that remarkable. In other recent years with similar or even higher run production, teams have not relied nearly so heavily on HRs. Even with a live ball, there’s no logical reason a team with an ok slugging percentage and high OBP can’t compete.
a point you are missing: imagine how many runs per game would have been scored in 2006-2009 (for example) if the ball was juiced…..
Wow, nervous time for the Doghairs.
Come on Giants !
Fans are still supporting this POS team with the Beat LA ! chant. Nice…
This is all we got . . . like the good old bad old days . . .
Buster’s not exactly Pat Tabler with the bases loaded…
There may be no Joe Morgan moment tonight.
More Dodger fans than Giant fans
Well, dang.
Perhaps a bit of frustration?
They didn’t play their best defense?
Jesus. I swear we need announcers that would juuust once say it like it is.
Stellar night for the catching corps.
I think you mean the catching corpse.
At least they put a little scare into the best team ever…