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What’s Really Going On In The Side Office

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 19, 2017

Larry Baer said the money that no longer goes towards paying the stadium off is now going towards the Mission Rock development project. Help me understand how that’s supposed to make the team better. It will make the Giants more money, something they were doing anyways. It will make the local community a little prettier with a park and some restaurants—SF already has restaurants. He noted some low income housing that he’s likely forced to include in the project–again, nice for some public teachers out there but not exactly improving the quality of the team…..

I don’t have an issue with the Giants developing Mission Rock, but with the team set to lose 100 games I think it might behoove Baer to pipe down about where he’s spending his extra dough. It was amazing to me that he would go on and on about his real estate project in an article that was supposed to be about the state of the Giants and where they go from here.

So where we go from here is a prettier landscape around the stadium?

Huh?

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  1. Cardinal70 said, on September 19, 2017 at 6:10 am

    It sounds like Mission Rock is going to be like Ballpark Village in St. Louis. In theory, it brings in more money to raise payroll, etc. but it’s definitely not an immediate infusion of cash. Still, it adds to the experience and in the long run probably does up the abilities of the team to have money to spend.

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2017 at 6:22 am

      the Giants are one of the wealthiest teams in baseball. They don’t need another revenue stream. And they could easily develop this site without using the money used to pay off the stadium. That money should go towards developing the team, not the outside of the stadium.
      Your point would apply more to a small business owner (or the Oakland A’s, lqtm) who takes out a loan to remodel his restaurant or building. The Giants are no small business owner.

      • Cardinal70 said, on September 19, 2017 at 6:23 am

        Fair enough and you definitely know the situation better than I. It is tough to see construction when the team is suffering. The Cardinals were fortunate enough to have BPV done while they were being successful on the field (though it took 5 or more years for it to finally get off the ground).

  2. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:12 am

    It’s things line this that give guys like Baer the label of being completely out of touch with the fans.

  3. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:25 am

    Like we are so excited about a park next to the ballpark. I’d say about 70% of the fans don’t give a shit about the ‘fan experience’.

    “Hey, we’re 14 games out in June, but look at the pretty flowers!” I thought the Warriors and/or Anchor Steam would be dealing with that anyway.

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:34 am

      I agree with some of this but not the comment about the *fan experience*. Why else do you think so many people are going to the games? For the product on the field? The Giants have somehow managed to keep fans coming to the park. Any other team that’s losing 100 would have 15K a night–or less. And despite the lies they tell about attendance they are still drawing extremely well for a 100 loss team.
      The key will be the 32K season ticket holders he thinks are coming back, If they come back they are just lemmings, many of who are in it just for the “fan experience.”
      If you want to see how many *real fans* show up just to watch a shitty team look no further than the Candlestick attendance figures.

  4. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 8:04 am

    Casual fans may make up a larger portion that they did back in the day, but if they have another season like this last, the numbers WILL drop significantly. Mainly because the ‘fan experience’ is aimed at families. Lots of these tickets for this year were purchased before the season started and people are just using what they got. Even still, butts in seats compared to tickets sold is a widening gap.

    It’ll be an epidemic next year if we go straight down. People will go to the park instead of the ballpark. Bringing the wife and kids to a game is already around $300.00 plus parking. If the product is bad next year, the numbers will drop hard because next year will not look as rosy. Even year be damned . . .

  5. sandog said, on September 19, 2017 at 8:27 am

    The Giants have the 7th highest payroll in all of MLB. If this weren’t the case, I could see cracking on Baer for these ventures. The team DOES spend big money on salaries, so I have no problem with these side projects.
    Obviously, we are getting a shit return on that spending, but that is another conversation.

    I’m worried about Plan 101 coming together. We’d have to go 3-8 the rest of the way. I know we’re capable of doing that, but I worry we are going to fall short.
    We do still have the worst record in all of MLB—so we got that going for us.

  6. Stan Shell said, on September 19, 2017 at 8:30 am

    From today’s Portland rag……5,663 HRs hit through Sunday–30 less than record set in 2000. That’s just less than 200 per team. How many for the Giants?

    Joe Girardi is quoted saying, “The game has changed. From when I started there’s a lot less stolen bases, there’s a lot less bunting, there’s a lot less hit-and-running. You don’t give outs away, and you let guys swing the bat.” Can you imagine Blockhead saying that?!!

    107 players have 20+ hrs this year. Do the Giants have any?

    I don’t know how to fix this shit, but this sure looks to me to be a symptom of our problem. The whole league has moved on and is playing a different game than Bochey and the Giants are playing. This goes to drafting and ball park metrics. Maybe the Giants should stick with real estate development and garlic fries. They seem to have that down. BB in 2017 not so much.

    • willedav said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:19 am

      Yes HRs are at historic rate, but there is more to equation of being a winning team.
      Dodgers are 5th best in NL for runs scored and have a lot of power. But they are tops by far in allowing fewest runs and next is Washington. Dodgers also lead league in walks and OB.

      In the AL Boston does not score much but is second only to Cleveland in allowing fewest. The Rays have one of worst offenses in entire AL but 4th or 5th best at allowing runs and still close to .500.
      I think that is best Giants could do next year—pitching allows way fewer runs/offense rebounds (more Craw less Pence yada yada), especially if you can add better OB/BA hitter with a little pop or two.

  7. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:23 am

    OSF, when has Bochy been accused of being a small-ball guy? Never. We don’t bunt. We rarely hit and run. We don’t steal. We have to be the shittiest baserunning team in the league. We play station-to station baseball. Conga-line ring a bell?

    And yeah, we don’t hit homers. This isn’t exactly new news. Our model of pitching and defense is a BIT of an anachronism, but there ARE teams winning w/o all the bombs (Boston), and there are teams losing that hit a ton (Oakland). Of the top 10 home run hitting teams, 3 are in the playoff hunt.

    Conversely 8 of the top 10 in ERA are in the playoff hunt.

    We fix this shit by drafting better and signing available free agents instead of buying flowers for the parking lot.

    It isn’t rocket surgery. Look I don’t want to be harsh, but this formula DID win 3 championships. Teams are still using it.

  8. willedav said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:41 am

    Reading through the Baer stuff (gad I dislike this guy), he kept bringing up turn around of AZ. Well, for starters they obviously have way better LU with OF Peralta and Pollock plus Golds and Martinez who is FA.

    Add in Greinke, a legit ace who had way better season by far than any Giants SP. They also did pretty good job of holding down other teams runs allowed, way fewer than Giants.
    Hard to see Giants matching their talent level and producing that kind of turnaround without very productive off season.

  9. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:53 am

    Truth be told the answer isn’t a wholesale salary dump, nor is it standing pat. Neither extreme will work.

    They do need to AT LEAST get 2 solid OFers and 3 decent relievers. Whether that’s JD Martinez and Jay Bruce for the OF, and pick any of a dozen decent middle reliever guys, so be it. At least I could live with Parker on the bench and Gorkys in the Park across the street. I doubt they get rid of Span and Pence, but I guess Pence would be kept? I’d love to see 3 new guys out there but I don’t see that happening.

  10. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2017 at 10:42 am

    Ballparks are not about baseball anymore. My friend’s girlfriend says she loves to go to Citifield because she doesn’t feel like she’s at a baseball game. I guess she just strolls around eating, drinking and shopping…

    • willedav said, on September 19, 2017 at 11:32 am

      oh man “doesn’t feel she’s at a baseball game.”. All camera shots at ATT, some guy gets a foul ball and right away there is phone pix. Seriously, is that all anyone cares about in phone addicted selfie generation?

    • unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 12:30 pm

      Because nothing says shopping like buying a $50.00 ticket, and a $30.00 parking pass. Jesus. If that was my wife, I wouldn’t buy her a ticket.

  11. willedav said, on September 19, 2017 at 11:48 am

    Picked up a book at lib last night, “Remembering the Stick–Candlestick Park 1960-2013 by Steven Travers.”
    Thumbing through it, 1986 represented the start of the turnaround that featured Will Clark blasting that famous bomb off Ryan, plus rookie 2b Robby Thompson.
    Krukow talks about going to Wrigley and tradition of defacing the statue of Gen Sheridan on Lakeshore Drive. “It was amazing. We had a big group of guys all over the statue and they really did a job.
    They came back on the bus with paint all over themselves, and I told them they missed a spot so they went and did it again.”

    First, who brings the type of skill power and energy of a Will Clark, and second gets beyond the honky clubhouse seriousness of Posey and Crawford 2018 so Giants actually have some fun out there?

    • unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 12:22 pm

      If anything Crawfish needs to lay off the Jheri Curl.

      • unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 12:32 pm

        Hopefully Arroyo brings some power. He looked good for the time he was here. I guess. At least he got a taste.

    • willedav said, on September 19, 2017 at 1:20 pm

      what I meant was, Clark and Thompson represented a serious influx of talent to position players. Giants by all appearances are sticking with Posey Panik Belt Craw and keeping Pence and Span plus Gorks and probably Hundley too, in other words a lot of same old same old.
      Arroyo I like but he doesn’t seem in that category, yet.

      • unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 6:53 pm

        No one had a clue about Thompson. Clark was highly regarded coming of of college. Arroyo could be something. Pence or Span has to go. That’s all i’m saying. They cannot continue with both of them and an unknown guy in center.

  12. Flavor said, on September 19, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    And we’ve got 3 weeks left in the season. Ball is juiced to fuck.

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2017 at 6:33 pm

      Yeah, 2000 was at the height of the players being juiced.

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2017 at 6:35 pm

        and the juiced ball era is gonna BLOW past their number.

  13. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    Oh,!they are likely around 40% juicing now.

    • djloo27 said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:15 pm

      The article is great – shockingly honest. But what’s really stunning is that you may have uncovered the first photographic proof of the side office…

  14. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    Well thats refreshing. Disconcerting that they gave up on the season in April though.

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:33 pm

      I don’t think it sounded like they “gave up.” Sounded like Sabes instincts were telling him something wasn’t right and you can’t exactly start fixing a team in April. Hey, if he does all the things he claims he’s going to do I’ll probably be optimistic going forward. He seems to understand how fucked up the team is right now, especially the offense and first base. 🙂 🙂 🙂
      I’m looking forward to the changes…..

      • willedav said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:54 pm

        like to know who Sabes thinks they can trade in order to get younger more athletic and add power to the LU.

      • Flavor said, on September 19, 2017 at 8:01 pm

        I’m just happy to hear he’s thinking straight about all of this. Will reserve judgement until after moves are made.

  15. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    Will they be realistic next spring is the question

  16. Flavor said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    and this fuckin’ guy is already a lost cause IMO. At least Pence waited a little while, made a career for himself, won us a couple WS before he dove 12 feet deep into pussy.

    • Macdog said, on September 19, 2017 at 8:59 pm

      We need him to become a player to Beede named later.

  17. Flavor said, on September 19, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    Lowrie just hit a grand salami to put the A’s up on the Tigers 9-8 in the 8th. I bet that angry Tiger fan is taking this nicely.

  18. zumiee said, on September 19, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    The Dodgers’ loss tonight was probably the most disturbing of the regular season for them. The Phillies just flat-out beat them the last two games, going against Kershaw and Darvish, when the Dodgers had hoped their mojo was back.

    • Macdog said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:01 pm

      They can’t overcome Rhysteria!

  19. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    We must lead the league by a country mile in not scoring runners from 2nd on base hits. Something that is automatic for every other team.

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2017 at 8:59 pm

      Our team is old, but it’s slow.

  20. zumiee said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    A Giants baserunner attempts to score:

    • unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:32 pm

      heh heh! That’s me every goddamn morning,

  21. willedav said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    Props to Cueto. Strained to get through first couple innings with high pitch count but got Arenado on the K and the GIDPs when he needed them.
    I know he makes a ton of $$ but hope he sticks around and can be big part of rotation next year/avoid blister problems.

    • Macdog said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:35 pm

      And Strick effs it all up.

  22. James said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    “Unwatchable” — Jenkins, using aesthetics to try to cover for the fact that he will never admit that his understanding of how baseball teams succeed was completely dismantled nearly 40 years ago by a far, far better writer than he is.

    • Flavor said, on September 20, 2017 at 5:39 am

      utter nonsense. Jenkins has been one of the best writers in the Bay Area for decades.

  23. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    Strick needs to know when to miss the strike zone.

    • James said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:36 pm

      Well, at least it was out of the strike zone . . . .

  24. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    Way to go, Strick. Give up the lead now.

  25. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    This is when he usually gives up a bomb.

    0-2 cripple.

  26. Macdog said, on September 19, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    Brewers are happy.

    • willedav said, on September 19, 2017 at 10:18 pm

      yeah Rox need these.


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