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Uh Oh, Bake Makes Another Pitching Decision

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 11, 2017

I forget who Dusty considered to start Game 162 of the 1993 season but I am certain that Solomon Torres was the wrong choice. In 2002 he chose Livan Hernandez over Kirt Reuter and well you know…..

Would it have really mattered? Gross and Lackey shut us down in both of those games. But you never know. If Torres and Livan hadn’t let both games get away our hitters may have found a way…..

And here we are today, 15 years after the Livan call and 24 years after the Torres debacle and Dusty is faced with yet another decision. He has chosen Tanner Roark over Strasburg and I am going to predict right now that no dude named *Tanner* is ever going to pitch a post season game for the ages….

Stras is sick or something. Stras is a known pussy so I’ll guess he has a cold. Maybe he flat out told Dusty he couldn’t go. We don’t know.

But we do know Baker’s history with tabbing pitchers in games like today’s. And it is frighteningly bad.

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  1. willedav said, on October 11, 2017 at 7:50 am

    Poor Torres lost a start before that earlier in fatal week to the Rockies, who totally laid down to everyone else.

    Hey Flav, reading cbs site on Farrell firing, there was discussion about Girardi and Yanks and one blogger was hoping Giants dangled Bum to the Yanks for their prospects.

    Another blogger wanted to fire Chili Davis who is Red Sox hitting coach (didn’t know that).

    This note from Transactions wire: Mets announce they will purchase Syracuse Chiefs of the Int’l League.

  2. alleykat69 said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:18 am

    Strasburg is a pussy along with their whole organization. Oh theirs mold in are hotel, wtf theirs other hotels to check in too if that was an issue,they just keep looking for excuses not to win in the playoffs, pulling Zimmerman who was dominating the Giants, thank you,Holding back the pussy at then end of the year on pitch count not to have him in the playoffs just dumbshit row decisions by the orq& manager..Tanner Roark lol winning a must game… no chance..

  3. wilcojoe said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:21 am

    Anyone remember a former major league reliever named Chuck McElroy? He is quite connected to Barry Bonds. He was the first pitcher Bonds faced in the big leagues and also has the second fewest hits given up to Bonds in his career.

    Anyway I took my eight year old for his first baseball lesson with him yesterday. Great guy. Both his sons (one in the Cardinals system and the other in the Reds system) helped out as well.

    • sandog said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:59 am

      I remember him! Black guy, lefthander—glasses I think. Cubs, maybe Marlins too. That’s very cool!

      • wilcojoe said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:53 am

        Yep, that’s him. Still wearing the glasses.

    • YogiBarrister (@Yogi47951368) said, on October 11, 2017 at 11:27 am

      Remember him well. I make up all-decade teams for every franchise and run them through a computer simulation. Because the Cubs never seem to have had good lefty relievers, he might be their MVP for the 90’s.

  4. Macdog said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:05 am

    MLB.com reporter Jon Morosi saying Strasburg likely to start:

    In a stunning reversal, Stephen Strasburg is now expected to start today in Game 4 of the National League Division Series presented by T-Mobile, as the Nationals face elimination against the Cubs at Wrigley Field.

    The club has not confirmed that Strasburg will start in the 4 p.m. ET/3 CT game on TBS.

  5. zumiee said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:25 am

    I hope everyone gets a chance to read Snarkk’s post at the end of the last thread. He wrote a very vivid account of fires in Northern Calif. at the moment. The footage in the news is unreal. It’s apocalyptic stuff. I was stunned seeing it.

  6. zumiee said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:27 am

    In ’02 Dusty pulled a starter too soon in a Game 6, then in ’07 he pulled a starter too late in a Game 6 (the Bartman game.) Dusty is either one unlucky dude as a manager, or he just doesn’t have good instincts on these issues.

    • alleykat69 said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:46 am

      Combination of both Zumie.
      Ortiz was crusing along against the Angels, no reason to pull him, and then he mocked the Angels by giving Ortiz the game ball, which fired up their dugout and Scott Speizo made them pay and the rest was history! No flapper really thought they would win game 7 after that blunder..

  7. zumiee said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:47 am

    Boston is a rough town. Farrell gets fired after winning the World Series in ’13 and the AL West three times in the last five years. And the dude has an amazing-sized jaw. Really very impressive.

  8. unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:32 am

    Actually none of that is true, AK. Ortiz was begging to be taken out of that game. Either that or he didn’t make his case to Dusty very well.

    And the Angels, to a man, said they didn’t notice the ball thing.

  9. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:38 am

    Manager Dusty Baker said Strasburg had reported being “under the weather,” although Baker offered no specifics. Baker also said Strasburg had thrown a bullpen session Tuesday, but club officials told Nationals reporters Strasburg actually threw the bullpen session Monday. Mold??? Dusty making stuff up again.

    • unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 11:48 am

      Prolly like Timmy was ‘under the weather’ for his first All Star appearance.

  10. unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:41 am

    Strass, unwimped out?

  11. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:48 am

    Lots of talk about the Nationals having HFA all 4 trips to the postseason and coming up 0-4. It is not that complicated, just be the best team in the weakest, most pathetic division and you win enough games for a high seed. Then, in the postseason, your strength of schedule exposes you and you earn the title of “chokers” when the quality really wasn’t there in the first place.

  12. wilcojoe said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:55 am

    The lack of national news coverage of the CA fires is stunning. CNN is basically acting like nothing is happening out there.

  13. YogiBarrister (@Yogi47951368) said, on October 11, 2017 at 11:07 am

    Meanwhile, over in Cleveland, Girardi has an easy decision that can’t possibly be second-guessed. Sonny Gray or a popular future Hall of Famer with a 737 winning percentage.
    I was surprised to hear Ferrell got fired. That makes absolutely no sense. Both the Yankees and Red Sox played clutch baseball down the stretch. The New York papers are saying Girardi will be fired if he loses today. DUMB!
    Re Dusty…good man, good regular season manager, terrible bullpen manager. He works on auto-pilot. Strasburg isn’t his decision to make though. He’s Sarah Huckabee Sanders to Steve Boris’ John Kelly. Francona and Girardi are the new school managers, perfect for post-season elimination games.. Use your best reliever when the situation calls for it. Pay close attention to the fifth inning.

    • YogiBarrister (@Yogi47951368) said, on October 11, 2017 at 11:13 am

      Been a while since I’ve used Word Press’ 20th Century format. No edit button, autocorrect that changes the correct spelling of names, can’t copy and reinsert sentences to their proper place.
      Hope everyone in the fire zone safe.

  14. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 11:44 am

    twin got back to me, said he and his wife are fine.

    • djloo27 said, on October 11, 2017 at 12:01 pm

      Great news amid the horror.
      Wilco is right.
      The images are hard to believe…

  15. unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 11:45 am

    SOAD is alive?!?

  16. unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 11:46 am

    Bout time for the Doyers to fold, eh Capon?

  17. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    Yogi, lol.

  18. xoot said, on October 11, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    In Stix’s case, this appeared on the docket today:

    122 TEXT ONLY ENTRY: NOTICE of Setting Sentencing as to Carstie Lee Clausen. Sentencing is set for 11/14/2017 at 10:00 AM in Courtroom 13E (MPLS) before Judge Michael J. Davis. (KMW) (Entered: 10/11/2017)

    • Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 1:33 pm

      thanks Xoot. This is 10 years or so, right?

      • xoot said, on October 11, 2017 at 2:00 pm

        My understanding is that the government is asking for up to or more than 10 years. Stix’s federal public defenders are asking for leniency.

      • djloo27 said, on October 11, 2017 at 4:10 pm

        Is it stupid to think that the Las Vegas shooting will somehow hurt Stix chances even more?

      • xoot said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:35 pm

        I don’t know. But the two shooters couldn’t be more different. Stix was eating his breakfast and doing a crossword puzzle when he got buzzed, repeatedly, by a low flying chopper, and he reacted. He also surrendered peacefully to the cops. And he’s in his 70s, frail, in failing health, and unlikely to aim a rifle at anything ever again. I’d hope the effing judge would feel no vindictive bump from the Las Vegas massacre.

  19. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    Arrieta fancies himself an “ace” and thinks he deserves a $200+ Million, 7-year deal?

    Guy can’t even make it into the 5th inning. Huh? Good luck with that.

    • zumiee said, on October 11, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      He had a streak of greatness. But lots of folks were concerned that his unorthodox crossfire pitching motion would catch up to him at some point.

  20. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    Arrieta was a steroid taker, I would bet anything on that. He’s probably not taking them anymore….

  21. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    Man, win lose or draw, Stras stepped up like a man today. 11k’s so far!!!

    • theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 4:00 pm

      He pitched his ass off. Pitched like the ace that Arrieta only thinks he is, in his dreams.

  22. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 4:01 pm

    unreal. Lester just picked off Zimmerman. He’s bouncing balls over there, throwing it up the line, ha, fucking nailed him on the foot. Post season baseball. Big time.

    • theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 4:20 pm

      Yep. And that pickoff looms large now. Zimmerman taunted Lester a little too much.

  23. djloo27 said, on October 11, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    Dodgers have no reason to fear either of these teams…

    • theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 4:48 pm

      Snakes better than both of ’em

      • Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 4:50 pm

        WTF, lol? No they aren’t. The Snakes pitching was an absolute joke. Either of these staffs could shut down LA. And I’d take either of these offenses over the Dbacks who are Goldshit and a bunch of guys.

      • theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 4:58 pm

        The Nats, with Stras and Sherzer, have a better staff than the Cubbies, but neither of these teams very impressive with the bats in this series.

  24. zumiee said, on October 11, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    My feeling is that the Cubs and Cleveland are the last two remaining teams that could knock off the Dodgers, and both of those teams may not even make it to the next round.
    Houston in the World Series might be a bit awestruck by the moment. They could eventually win one.
    The Dodgers would probably sweep the Yankees.

  25. zumiee said, on October 11, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    If the Dodgers win the World Series, I’ll miss all the sadness on the Dodger blogs. That was pretty entertaining for many years.

    • theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 5:59 pm

      Which Dodgers blogs do you visit zoom? Must be different from the one’s I visit.

  26. wilcojoe said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    It seems like it wasn’t long ago Loo and I were talking about Crawford possibly replacing Gregorious at SS. Oh, how the times have changed.

    • Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:02 pm

      2 big home runs against Kluber. If the Giants were playing tonight it would a couple of Belt walks, no runs, lots of k’s

  27. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    Kluber getting Klubbed.

    • Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:03 pm

      he’s got 5 k’s thru 3 innings, he’s hardly getting clobbered. But, two big home runs make a big big difference.

  28. wilcojoe said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    I hate rooting for NY, but the Astros would have home field advantage if the Yankees advance.

  29. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    good time for the reminder that we drafted Tony Torcato instead of CC Sabathia even tho he grew up in our backyard.

  30. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    2 starts in a row Kluber can’t complete 4 innings of work.

    • Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:23 pm

      out pitched back 2 back by C.Fat Sabathia.

  31. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    Kluber was great in last year’s PS

    ALDS 1-0, 7 IP, 0.00 ERA

    ALCS 1-1, 11.1 IP, 1.59 ERA

    WS 2-0, 16 IP, 2.81 ERA

    Guy just ran out of gas this year? Strange.
    And, he looks to be the Cy winner this season.

  32. djloo27 said, on October 11, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    Conga line in Cleveland…

  33. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    Chase Headley?

  34. unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    Cleve on the cusp of two gigantic playoff choke jobs. And with the Cavs in a shambles, and Bron Bron hitting the road after this season, the Factory of Sadness will be churning out misery at an alarming rate.

    ^^ One of my favorite movies, BTW.

  35. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    Speaking of non-baseball entertainment.
    Zoom – you ever read any Dan Siimmons? I never had until I just read “The Terror”. From what I gather, I guess this guy Simmons is known for his fantastical sci-fi stuff, which I am not a fan of. But, this book is historical fiction – which I know you enjoy as I do. This one is about the 1845 Franklin Expedition, where 126 men set sail on two ships – the HMS Erebus, and the HMS Terror – to search for the northwest Passage through the arctic. None of them were ever heard from again. Other than knowing their ‘planned” initial route, it’s all conjecture, obviously, but a great story. Long book, but a quick read. Check it out if you’re interested.
    Oh, and interestingly enough, it was published in 2007, and the HMS Terror was just discovered earlier this year at the bottom of the Ocean up in the arctic circle because of the warming temps allowing for a much wider window to search for it.
    And, I just found out AMC is working on a TV series with the same title, The Terror, based on the book…

  36. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    Amazing the Yanks on the verge here with how terrible Judge has been in this series.

  37. wilcojoe said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    What a great AB by Gardner!

  38. unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:29 pm

    Jeeebus. Cleveland gagging badly here.

  39. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    fuck the Indians. Three straight finals v Lebron and those idiot cle fans have turned me against all their pro teams forever.

    • unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:33 pm

      Yup. I’m not thrilled about the Yanks, but seeing these guys choke makes me smile a little.

  40. unca_chuck said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    They put up a graphic that said, going back to 1996, the Indians are 0-11 in closeout payoff games. Soon to be 0-12 . . .

    Ouch.

  41. xoot said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    Well, I was glad to see the Indians reduce the size of the Chief Wahoo cartoon on their hats this year. Maybe it’s vanishing. I think they also drastically shortened the height of the feather and moved it to the side, so it didn’t look like a huge middle finger aimed at us. I’m not glad to see the yanks advance. The Astros need to step up now.

  42. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    I don’t hate the Yankees. I hate the Dodgers. If the Yankees beat the Dodgers I’d celebrate wildly.

  43. Flavor said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:44 pm

    what do you NY Flappers think of the Yankees and the Mets? Hatred? No emotions? Secretly root for?

  44. Macdog said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:47 pm

    Heckuva day for Didi, C.C., and D.C.

  45. willedav said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    Funny but I couldn’t help wondering what the Castellani guy would think about rumors surrounding Ausmus as possible new guy for Mets Red Sox Phils.

    • djloo27 said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:55 pm

      I’ll save you the trouble:

      THE MAN CANNOT MANAGE A FUCKIN’ BASEBALL TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. Macdog said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    Despise the Yanks, not enjoying this at all. But if my nightmare WS of Yanks-Dodgers happens, I’ll have no choice but to pull for the Bombers.

    Also don’t like Mets, but that’s softened of late mainly due to feeling a little sorry for a former co-worker diehard Mets fan, 30ish, who’s never experienced seeing a title.

    • djloo27 said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:52 pm

      30ish? Big deal. Let him wait, like we did…

  47. willedav said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    Flav when I first started following baseball in early ’60s, the Yanks won all the flipping time in AL and most WS too vs. NL teams or players I liked. One of my buddies we used to play Strat-O-Matic with loved the Yanks, and that team was unbeatable too. F-ing Steve Hamilton romped.

    Hated Steinbrenner, and disliked the Torre teams too. Now? Not so much since they have new group and the annoying guys are gone. Just rather see Stros in there.

  48. willedav said, on October 11, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    So after the shit storm, NY media must be back in lovefest with Girardi.

  49. Macdog said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    The Indians will never win another World Series.

    • djloo27 said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:05 pm

      Neither will the Giants…

  50. zumiee said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    Rooster, once in a while I look at the TrueBlueLA blog, or Dodgers Digest, or LA Dodger Report.

    • theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:17 pm

      OK, I’ll take a look at those. I might have taken a look at TrueBlueLA once, but I don’t frequent any of those.

  51. sandog said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    Hey, Tony Torcato was from our backyard too–Woodland High–my alma mater.
    Funny thing, all of us from Woodland were so fired up about Torcato and thought he’d be a solid player. After he flamed out, Pedroia came through Woodland High and then ASU. Torcato was a physical stud and the thinking was that if he couldn’t make it, this little Pedroia guy sure as hell ain’t gonna make it either.
    Funny how that worked out.
    I’m bummed about Cleveland. They were the team I most wanted to see win it all—to make up for last year and end their long streak. I worried the Yankees had a little bit of destiny going for them though.
    Glad to see the Nats forced a Game 5 and Strasburg came up big.
    I still fear no one is stopping LA. I’d love to be wrong about that.

  52. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    NY vs LA —-> 1981 —-> Year of the Rooster Rematch.

    Yu vs Tanaka

    Bellinger vs Judge

    Jansen vs Chapman

    • zumiee said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:43 pm

      I agree Dan Simmons is very good. I read his novel “Hyperion,” and was very impressed. I also read a collection of his short stories. I meant to read more of his stuff but haven’t gotten around to it yet.

      • theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 9:59 pm

        Aaah! Good to know, zoom. After reading “The Terror”, I was contemplating reading more of his work. He has written a lot of stuff.

  53. theroooster said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    Aaron Judge set a record for # of SO’s in a PS series.

    2017 #ALDS

    22 plate appearances

    15 strikeouts

    #Padres Tony Gwynn

    1999 regular season

    446 plate appearances

    14 strikeouts

    Judge strikes out 1 more in this series than Tony Gwynn did for the whole regular season.

    • djloo27 said, on October 11, 2017 at 10:42 pm

      There’s no point in comparing anything in today’s world to 20 years ago…

  54. xoot said, on October 11, 2017 at 11:07 pm

    Many, maybe most, of the people whose homes have been destroyed in the wine country fires have really lost a lot. Not everyone was able to respond to evacuation orders. Old people in “retirement” trailer parks probably went up in flames. Others who lost homes probably didn’t have insurance enough to cover the property losses, much less the personal losses. But there are exceptions. A guy with an office on our floor sent his family away from his home earlier this week, and spent the night working with his crew to harvest his grapes and get them off to the contracted buyer, before he left. He showed up in the office this morning with many stories to tell about the shifting winds and the flames flying up along nearby ridges. He reviewed his insurance policies, and decided that his coverage is good. This afternoon, as I left the office, he was kicking back in the reception area, watching the tv news feed show the fire move toward his home. He was in a good mood, starting to muse about the way he’ll improve his house when he rebuilds with the insurance payoff.


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