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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 19, 2017

LoAfter reading this, I’m off Cain. For some reason I thought he was younger. Unless he wants a 2 year/40mil deal, I’m happy to have him sign elsewhere.


RPAD Time:

And 3 years later, I’m excited to get him. Funny how things change.


And now I will spend the morning celebrating another Big Game victory followed by ANOTHER celebration this afternnoon: Niners on a bye, no loss today. That’s a victory, too.

Loo and MacDog today at a football game in NY

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  1. sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 7:56 am

    Ok. If we don’t sign Cain, do you have another realistic plan to propose to improve this club?
    I still want him. Time his deal to expire in 2020 along with several of our other 30 somethings.
    At least it would give us a great glove in CF and a ray of hope that we could possibly hang in the Wild Card race.

    • Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 8:14 am

      No, I like Cain. It’s just the years. Speed guys at 32 go no where but D>O>W>N. I’m still hoping we get Billy Ham. He’s an injury risk too but at 27 I’ll take my chances.

      • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:27 am

        I think he brings more to the table than just speed. He can hit and he knows how to take angles and play CF.
        Hell,do we even have enough young talent to trade for Hamilton? I don’t think they are gonna take Strickland and Okert for him.

  2. snarkk said, on November 19, 2017 at 8:10 am

    I’m willing to ride out a couple of years of crap baseball with the Giants, if they use the time to get themselves right. No $200 million deal for Bum, trade him for a handful of minor league bodies. Use this upcoming draft to stock stud outfield prospects. Eat contracts or partially eat/trade dudes that can’t help this team win now. Sign international young talent that isn’t a replica of agent 000. The entire organization needs a high colonic. The Niners are doing that now, it isn’t pretty. But, they’ve got the right mindset. Deal dudes like Bowman that can’t help where they need to go. Stock young talent, real talent. Aim for real competitiveness in 3 years…

    • Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 8:29 am

      not a bad showing from Cal. I like their coach. But the dominance is undeniable. As long as Shaw is there I don’t see them beating Stanford any time soon. He’s got their number (as Harbaugh did before him).

      • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:34 am

        Personally, I don’t trade Bum. He is a San Francisco Giants legend and I don’t trade legends.
        EVEN IF, I were persuaded to trade him, I don’t think you are going to get some huge haul of top prospects ala Bartolo Colon when he was traded to the Expos. Bum is not the dominant power arm type guy that teams drool over, plus he is coming off an injury and a subpar season, and he too has some trade language in his contract so the market is a bit limited.
        He’s worth way more to us than anyone else.
        Add a piece like Cain, give fans a reason to have a shred of optimism heading into this year so they can re-up their season tickets and tune into games.
        Makes all kinds of sense and there is no Plan B. Just Do It.

  3. willedav said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:45 am

    I also think Cain adds a lot more to LU than just his speed. He hit .300 last year with 15 bombs and .800 OPS.
    Giants first priority imo is to get a CF and Cain is a guy you can hit anywhere in LU. I think he is used to a big yard and could adapt his approach at plate to ATT
    The $$ on the contract isn’t my concern for anyone—it’s how good a player the guy is and how much he helps the team.

  4. dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:47 am

    The Father in law is gauging my interest in renewing our season tickets. I told him I’m just a mindless lemming of the Flavor Nation – make it so!

  5. alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2017 at 10:00 am

    I’ll take a younger JBJ over Cain while I dream about Bryon Buxton that will never happen.

    • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 10:19 am

      JBJ is a career .239 hitter that we would have to trade for. Again, we have very little in the way of trade assets. Plus he would be yet another LH batter that ATT would crush.
      We’re stuck–big time.
      Cain or Bust!
      I was ready to accept Carlos Gomez as a crappy Plan B, but if Wilcoe saw him up close and wants nothing to do with him—neither do I.

  6. snarkk said, on November 19, 2017 at 11:04 am

    I’d trade Bum in a heartbeat. We’ve seen his best.
    I’m not paying $200 million for an arm with lots of wear on it. That’s begging for Cain contract revisited…

    • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 11:36 am

      Like I said, I don’t think you are going to get that much for him, Snarkk. As for the 200 mil, we’ve got 2 more seasons before me have to deal with that. You want to let him walk then, I can deal with that. (Although I would still make him a competitive offer)

  7. willedav said, on November 19, 2017 at 11:11 am

    Shaw is on a roll, see if Stanford gets rematch with SC/ decent bowl game. Cal’s running back Laird looked pretty good and offensive stats pretty even. Stanford is better team, but gap is shrinking.

    Jeff Tedford won 5 in a row for Cal 02-06 and 7 of 8 btw 2002 and 2009.
    His Fresno St team this year won their half of Mtn West in his first season there.

  8. snarkk said, on November 19, 2017 at 11:30 am

    I read where Giants would have to give up a 2nd and 5th round pick to get Cain, since he got a qualifying offer. And, he’s 32 next seas. Forget that. Essentially trade picks AND pay through the nose for a dude on the downside. No thanks. Can the Giants pick up an OFer that’s under friggin’ 30 years old, please. Hello minor league Giants wasteland…

    • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 11:44 am

      No, they can’t—and no help coming from the minors. Got to give up something to fix CF. I’m fine giving up a 2nd and a 5th.

    • snarkk said, on November 19, 2017 at 12:05 pm

      Like I said, I’m fine with a crap team the next 2 years as long as they are building something. I don’t favor giving up picks for a guy that might help next two seasons for a team going nowhere and getting older while getting there…

  9. alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2017 at 11:35 am

    Yeah I don’t like that Bradley bats LH but he’s 5 years younger then Cain and just starting his 3rd year I bet his avg starts getting better as well, he won’t be a career .240 hitter.
    Give em Belt straight up, if we have to throwin a extra chip do be it. Then you go after a great Clubhouse presence in Eric Hosmer (28) to play 1st and make a pitch for his other teammate Mike Moustakas to play 3rd and this team looks a hella lot better.

  10. alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    Span at 34 in Feb couldn’t handle the “Grand Canyon” of CF Dawg, why would you think Cain at 32 will get it done? And we still have a worthless Hunter Pence at 35 still doing his stupid off season YouTube shit with his wife making a birthday cake in a Superman cape.
    Need to get a lot younger in this OF then human walkers out there..

  11. sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Cain is a legit top flight defensive CF and Span has never been viewed that way.
    Mix Cain in with our other aging players and see if they can be wild card competitive while David Bell gets a few years to revamp our fallow farm system.
    It is so perfect—why am I the only guy who sees this?

    Fun Fact: Loo and MacDog are at the Chiefs/Giants game together.
    Chiefs flirting with disaster.

    • willedav said, on November 19, 2017 at 2:23 pm

      um yeah not a good day to be a chiefs fan…tho Brady does have Pats up on Raiders 14-0 as I type this.

      Cain is immediately Giants second or third best hitter and fills position of desperate need so Gorkys rides pine. He had.360 OB and still has some pop. Dude can play…name me one other Giants OF on current roster at any age that can. Picks? give em up.

  12. zumiee said, on November 19, 2017 at 2:26 pm

    I saw 4 episodes last night of a new show called “Loudermilk” that were pretty funny. It’s on the Audience Network, if you can find it. (Channel 239 on DirecTV) The main character, Loudermilk, is a recovering alcoholic who leads a support group.
    Like the show “Mom,” it finds humor in some dark material, at the same time treating its characters with a lot of love. I had never even heard of the show before yesterday.

    • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 4:12 pm

      Ok, you talked me into it and i just recorded the series.

  13. zumiee said, on November 19, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    The Raiders look flat, hapless, and stupid vs. the Patriots.

    • alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      Typical Raiders, Brady’s carving them up like you do a turkey 🦃.
      I find this stat so crazy,the Raiders do not have a interception this year wtf? You would think even a tipped ball from the front 4 rushers would get you 1 pick during a season..

      • snarkk said, on November 19, 2017 at 3:41 pm

        Raiders have way more talent than Niners, way less balls and gumption. Del Rio and coaching staff on a very hot seat at seasons end…

      • Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 4:30 pm

        i think deep down Del Rio knows he’s a fraud who has no clue and he’s desperate for no one to find out. But they cat is out of the bag now, man.WAYOUTOF THE BAG!!!!

  14. Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 3:12 pm

    Stanford has no chance if Love can’t get his ankle straight. They are pretty average without him.

  15. sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    …looks like the Nathan Peterman experiment didn’t go so hot for Buffalo.

    • Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 4:29 pm

      that was wild. Figured they knew what they were doing when they benched Tygod. Figured they thought he could run the offense better. But they were wrong. Oh were they wrong!!!!

  16. snarkk said, on November 19, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    UCLA fires Mora with one more game to go, vs. Cal. WTF?
    They couldn’t wait a week?
    And, the school will pay him the $12 million buyout he’s owed. Or, some boosters will, apparently.
    Nice for UCLA to make Cal’s Tedford firing and payout look like a nothing burger.
    Seriously, college athletics is pretty screwed up. $12 million not to hire, but to make a coach go away. That’s equivalent to around 300 students full ride at UCLA and room/board for a year…

  17. willedav said, on November 19, 2017 at 4:33 pm

    Loo and Mac could have hit Barclays Ctr to catch Warriors-Nets. Nets currently down 24 in mid 3Q, warriors without Durant as Curry going off with 26.

    3 young pac 12 guys start for Nets—Spencer Dinwiddie from colo Rondae Hollis-J from AZ and alan crabbe from Cal.

  18. willedav said, on November 19, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    Nets kids making a run, got the lead down to 8. Outhustling GS, getting to rim.

  19. blade3colorado said, on November 19, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    “The Giants already have the highest payroll obligations in baseball for 2019, 2020, and 2021. No team has more money committed to future payrolls after next year. Think about that. They have more money committed than the Dodgers and Yankees. They nearly have as much money committed for 2020 as the Cubs and Red Sox put together.”

    Conclusion? What snarkk said.

    • snarkk said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:09 pm

      Baer and the PR machine are deathly afraid of a rebuild. They must figure this fanbase is a mile wide and an inch deep that will bail if there’s another crap season. Thing is, they’ll get plenty of re-ups on the season tix. And, the damn park is paid off. I don’t think there would be that big of a fall off in attendance as far as the paid tickets go. Actual bodies in seats would probably fall off some after Aug 1, if the team is crap again, like this past season. But, there’d still be plenty that go to just go. Cubization. Giants need to get real and deal with this huge sunk cost contracts problem. Taking on a Stanton deal at $30 million per year over a decade makes little sense to me, especially with not much to protect him in the lineup for the next 2-3 years when he’s going to be most productive…

      • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:19 pm

        I’M deathly afraid of a rebuild. You need to have at least SOME young talent for a rebuild. We’ll lose 120 games and be the biggest laughingstock in baseball if we try a tear down with this current minor league operation.
        Yes, that committed money stat Blade dropped is ugly. I still say you sign Cain and go all-in with the Old-ish Guys while Bell rebuilds the farm system.
        Where’s George Allen when you need him?

      • Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:19 pm

        I know 5 or 6 season ticket holders. I’ve talked to all of them and asked them point blank if they are re-upping. All of them basically laughed in my face saying “of course I’m re-upping.”
        Good for them. And if they are any indication of the temp of the season ticket holder base, Sabean could do anything and they’ll keep paying up.

      • blade3colorado said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:22 pm

        I guarantee you Cain ONLY might be Cain next year . . . And then he becomes Span or worse. He’s so injury prone (last season was an anomaly), he makes Glass Sanchez look like the Iron Horse, Lou Gehrig.

      • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:26 pm

        I would take my chances on him. If he signs elsewhere, we’re screwed.
        We’ll be left all alone like a rainbow in the dark.

  20. willedav said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    Elijiah Brown, son of Warriors assistant coach Mike Brown, playing for Oregon as grad senior. 2 yrs at New Mexico avg. 21/18 pts., 83& FT.
    Lot of cupcake games so far, but I still dig college b-ball.
    And Stanford has upcoming date with national champs UNC. tmw night.
    Props to Haase for scheduling that. Cards lost last week at home to Eastern Washington.

  21. willedav said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    No way I could stomach a Giants rebuild, esp while Dodgers are winning 100 games.
    This year was bad enough, with all the crap guys, young and old, that played here this year.

  22. zumiee said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    Matt Duffy says goodbye to Skeeter:

    “Even when it’s expected, losing a member of the family is never easy. Sometimes you’d forget this little guy was even a cat. After 15 awesome years, last night we had to say goodbye to Skeeter boy. Thank you for all the love and support that Skeets has gotten over the past couple of years. Our furry little light has gone dark”

    • zumiee said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:39 pm

      Doing the math on that, Matt has known Skeeter since Matt was about 11 years old.

  23. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    What happened to the Chiefs, Loo? Holy shit. Losing to the Giants? Didn’t see the game at all, and I have the NFL ticket, but I managed to catch the OT kick.

    • Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:43 pm

      wind gusts were pretty brutal, close to 40mph for most of the game. I’m guessing that had something to do with not being able to move the ball.

  24. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:44 pm

    If Cain ain’t the answer, then who is? A 2 and a 5 is steep, but the success rate for our draft picks is iffy at best. Might as well.

    ‘Dawg, Sandawg Jr stopped by today. Great to see him. It has been a while. Glad to hear he’s doing well down south.

    • sandog said, on November 19, 2017 at 7:38 pm

      Nice! I heard he was heading up your way early for Thanksgiving. I can’t wait to see him on turkey day.

  25. Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    MacDog and Loo were at the Giants game today. That’s rad. I guess not for Loo who had to watch his beloved Chiefs lose to the fucking Giants, lol

  26. Macdog said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    Great time meeting up with Loo at the Giants-Chiefs OT thriller. We had good upper deck seats right around midfield and there was very little wind, unlike on the field. Turned out to be little more fun for me than Loo, since the Giants finally decided to tackle and hustle and comport themselves like a professional football team. I posted a pic on Facebook if Craig wants to poach it, I’m not sure how to post it to here.

    Yeah Wille, that would have made a great doubleheader. I listened to the first half on my way home when W’s were blowing them out, then saw the Nets make things interesting in the 4th quarter. Spencer Dinwiddie has been invaluable at PG for the Nets with Lin out for the season and Russell out after arthro surgery. I did see a bunch of Rangers fans at the train station heading for MSG. Blueshirts won, so I hope that made Loo happy.

    • Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:49 pm

      i posted it in the main thread. He looks bummed.

      • Macdog said, on November 19, 2017 at 7:08 pm

        And that was at halftime.

  27. Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    For a random middle of Nov thread, my use of the word *Cain* in the title today was fucking $$$$

    • zumiee said, on November 19, 2017 at 7:58 pm

  28. Flavor said, on November 19, 2017 at 7:54 pm

  29. blade3colorado said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    Going into 2018, the Giants’ base payroll is about $170-175 million, give or take a few million. The 2018 MLB luxury tax starts at $197 million (any amount spent above that will cost the team a 50% tax).

    Which leaves about $25 million available to spend freely for a franchise that needs two outfielders (maybe three); a third baseman; at least two additional pieces in the bullpen; an offensive bench that can actually create runs after the 6th inning; and, at minimum, two additional MLB-level starters.

    It’s ludicrous to think Cain or Stanton will make things better short term, much, much, much less long term. We bite the bullet next year and maybe the year after that – implementing snarkk’s plan or something close to it. No way, no how, we even entertain resigning Madbum. Get something for him now, while he’s still worth more than a bag of balls. Same with Belt – allow him to re-establish his worth, then send him packing for prospects before he has his 10th (or whatever the # is) concussion. Posey? Ditto. Atlanta will probably love to have him.

    If we get 75% of the plan above implemented next season – we go all out for Bryce Harper and/or Manny Machado in 2019. Hopefully, coupled with additional prospects, we make a run for the wild card in 2020. Believe me – the wilderness years are coming. Ask the Yankees, Astros, Phillies, Royals, etc. There’s no escaping the grim reaper. Our only choice is to address it head on or piecemeal (Cain, Stanton, Martinez moves).

    • zumiee said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:21 pm

      Baer is probably tossing and turning in his sleep. He can’t refute what you’re saying, but it’s not what he’s going to do. He’s a marketer at heart.

      • zumiee said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:33 pm

  30. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    For you, Loo. Sub in Alex Smith for Len Dawson.

    • zumiee said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:34 pm

      He has to throw a piece of lint. Not easy.

  31. blade3colorado said, on November 19, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    Burn in hell Charlie . . .

    • unca_chuck said, on November 20, 2017 at 8:56 am

      Ahhh. I thought you were talking to me. What with my ‘Beatles are overrated’ comments.

      “I got blisters on my fingers!!!” This is one of my favorite beatles songs. Up there with Paperback Writer.

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