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Improving Is All Relative To Where You Are

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 4, 2017

Based on their actions, there is at least one thing we can can assume about the Giants: they are at least acknowledging that “the Giants way” needs some tinkering. By going after BOTH Stanton and Ohtani they are admitting that they cannot keep up with today’s new game without more power.

Whether they get either of them is another story. They will be stuck if they fail. This is really about the best we can hope for out of them. It’s just not realistic to think they can or know how to start the tank process and hunker down for years of sucking and stockpiling the farm system.

If you give me Stanton I can realistically get behind us being a lot better next year. That’s not a confident rallying cry but it’s better than what we went through last season.

I can’t do that again.

RPAD Time: I remember being more positive about Melancon than this. In hindsight, he was damaged goods when we got him, it was never in the cards for him to give us at least 1-2 years of high-quality closer contribution. And if we don’t get a lot better real quick it he won’t make a difference even if he’s healthy next year. Good #freeStix post, too.


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  1. blade3colorado said, on December 4, 2017 at 6:41 am

    Stix indicated that he played baseball for Minneapolis Central High in Spring of 1960? Then why am I unable to even find him (Carstie Clausen) on the “list of classmates” for 1960? Nor 1959, 1961, or 1962? I did find 3 relatives possibly . . . All women with the last name Clausen – 2 in 1960 and 1 in 1961. Here’s the link:


    Another Stix mystery.

  2. Flavor said, on December 4, 2017 at 7:44 am

    solid, calm rationale from a Cardinals fan. Do we have the same take? Nope. It’s desperation time in SF

  3. willedav said, on December 4, 2017 at 8:09 am

    that was good column blade linked to end of last thread. Couple bloggers commenting on it thought a Hamilton or Dyson would be good add ons for CF. Disagree but CF still needs an upgrade with or without Stanton.

    Cards have way more productive farm system going for them so less reason to be desperate. Like to see giants grab an OF off them, maybe for Strick. Still, they have missed playoffs 2 yrs in a row as well.
    A year ago the Diaz kid was coming off great rook season at SS. He sucked last year and they dumped him off to Toronto for a prospect last week. Everyone was down on Adams at 1b so they dumped off to Braves and he went off for 18 HRs and .800 OPS.

    • gianthead said, on December 4, 2017 at 10:34 am

      CF?? Thaat is where thwy are putting Ohtani:)

  4. willedav said, on December 4, 2017 at 8:32 am

    Saran wrap time at Chuck’s Niners blog? Gotta check that out. Only saw first half but very encouraging.

    cbs site gave SF an A for the game. J-G probably has Jed’s bean counters scrambling over contract fine print and all the zeroes.

  5. alleykat69 said, on December 4, 2017 at 9:08 am

    I see where their Cardinal fan is coming from. It is desperation time for the Giants!
    But if by some miracle from the universe prevails and they land both Stanton&Othani the season of receiving gets that much better!!
    Ohtani should really consider us since Bam Bam speaks fluent Japanese which would help in the transition..

    • pawliekokonuts said, on December 4, 2017 at 10:33 am

      tell me I’m wrong, but as part of their sales pitch the Giants can claim they were pioneers, the first team to play a Japanese-American: Masanori Murakami. Bring him to the interview FFS.

  6. pawliekokonuts said, on December 4, 2017 at 10:32 am

    Buy / get / trade for any and all of them. Go ahead. It ain’t my money. And if tix go up, me and Loo and Macdog and DZ are on the East Coast; what do we care? #freemannyburriss #3in5 seems so long ago

    • gianthead said, on December 4, 2017 at 10:38 am

      I am signing on with Pawlie’s brief as co-petitioner..

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 4, 2017 at 10:51 am

        sorry for the omission; I’m sure there are others; mea maxima culpa

  7. alleykat69 said, on December 4, 2017 at 2:24 pm

    ? on Ohtani, say the gods allow us to sign him and of course he says he wants to go everyday, pitch every 4-5days then plays CF the other days, is that even possible on his arm after he throws 98plus for say 7 innings then gets right back out the next day making throws from CF when realistically big leaguers playing every day out their only get a handful of plays every game. I would say he shouldn’t start the next game after he pitches to recover from that start..Wrong are Right?

    • xoot said, on December 4, 2017 at 2:47 pm

      I like the idea of using him in relief–call him in from CF to get a couple of batters, put him back in CF, etc.
      btw, anyone familiar with this apparently well known sports guy Jim Bowden who claimed yesterday to know that Stanton’s choice is LA and only if the bums stay out of the bidding will Stanton go elsewhere? Somehow I’ve manager to miss Bowden’s claims to fame.

      • Macdog said, on December 4, 2017 at 5:21 pm

        Bowden was a GM for the Reds and Nats. The name was familiar, but I had to look it up anyway.

  8. gianthead said, on December 4, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    I think it is fair that Stanton likely prefers LA. Hometown yada yada. The question is only if the Fodgers get involved in putting a deal together. From all accounts Fodgers are not putting anything on the table. I could now see his reps trying to finagle adding an opt out after 2 years and then he could end up in LA and LA will have a lot more money after the 2019 season.

    If he gets a 2 year opt out, I guess I could live with it but I would not be happy losing Beede along with Shaw and or Ramos for just 2 years. I almost rather have Osuna then but the Cards have far more talent to make a deal for Osuna. But there is an upside then if he did opt out and then we are off the hook for $250 million or so.

    Ohtani may be the key to the future.

  9. gianthead said, on December 4, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    The Pavlovic story about the Giants pitch for Ohtani is very interesting. They brought Posey!!!

    But Bochy seems animated about landing Ohtani, even contemplating him in the rotation and then playing in the field (the hint would be a corner OF spot) for the next couple games and then resting for a couple games to prep for his next start. In that scenario, Gorkys or Slater gets likely the nod in CF (or does my idea of Moore for Jackie Bradley if Ohtani is in the rotation sound more reasonable now???) and still lots of games for Pence to play…still hoping Spam is gone.

  10. djloo27 said, on December 4, 2017 at 5:18 pm

    We ain’t gettin’ either of ’em…

  11. djloo27 said, on December 4, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    If you had to bet right now which would you say happens:

    A) We get Stanton
    B) We get Ohtani
    C) We get both
    D) We get neither

  12. Flavor said, on December 4, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    • zumiee said, on December 4, 2017 at 6:35 pm

      Cool photo!

      • Flavor said, on December 4, 2017 at 7:00 pm

        that twitter acct is my fav since Super70’s. They post unique pics from 100+ years ago daily. Incredible stuff, highly rec’d

    • alleykat69 said, on December 4, 2017 at 6:45 pm

      Yeah great photo!
      Even back then it looks like they have the shift on for the batter..

  13. alleykat69 said, on December 4, 2017 at 6:55 pm

    Holy shit has anyone seen Andy Reid as a 13 year old in the pass,punt,and kick on a YouTube competition?
    He looks like he could devour any other kid in the competition,He’s freaking huge and dwarfs over everybody, think they had to go find a xxxl Ram jersey for him to wear from the locker room…

    • xoot said, on December 4, 2017 at 9:38 pm

      It’s an old lesson. The strong take from the weak and the smart take from the strong

  14. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 4, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    Don’t know how realistic it is getting both or either of those 2 players, but I do believe the team will get 2 new OFers, because they have to. If it’s those 2, that’s a huge score. If it’s, say, L.Cain and someone I’ve never heard of, well… it’s still something. Front Office must have a Plan B if they don’t land both or either of Stanton and Ohtani. 2, no less than 2, new OFers. Otherwise, fuhgetaboutit….

    • zumiee said, on December 4, 2017 at 8:25 pm

      Yeah, something has to happen. The metrics show the Giants had the worst outfield in MLB last season.

  15. zumiee said, on December 4, 2017 at 8:06 pm

    Ned Colletti has written a book about his life in baseball, called “The Big Chair.” Might be interesting.

  16. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 4, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    Love that pic in Craig’s 6:19. It’s one thing I’ve always loved about Cali…. that scene from more than 150 years ago is still a scene you could find in so many places in the state, unchanged.

  17. unca_chuck said, on December 4, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    That Andy Reid video has been around a while, but it still cracks me up. Word was they had to get Merlin Olson’s uni.

  18. zumiee said, on December 4, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    “A) We get Stanton
    B) We get Ohtani
    C) We get both
    D) We get neither”

    The odds are we get neither, but I’ll say A.
    I think Ohtani will be happier in the AL, probably in Seattle.

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