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Quiet Failure

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 15, 2017

The Winter meetings concluded for the Giants the way they began and the way they unfolded: nothing happened. Apparently the Reds wanted Ramos for Billy Ham and as much as I’d love to see BH wreaking havoc on the base paths, my understanding is that Heliot is our only top trade chip and he’s not worth letting go just to secure the top spot in the line up.

I would have been down with Avasail Garcia because of his right handed power stroke but again, the Giants weren’t able to get anything done.

Let me ask you a question: if you failed to get anything done at your job would you get to keep your job? I guess there are jobs out there for guys like Kramer who just walked around the office with a briefcase full of Ritz crackers. But if you were the GM of an mlb team, aren’t you expected to, you know, get stuff done?

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  1. zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 6:20 am

    Austin Jackson is coming. I’m having a premonition.

    • Flavor said, on December 15, 2017 at 6:47 am

      You’re mistaking that prem for an afternoon nap

    • unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2017 at 9:13 am

      I’d take Samuel Jackson at this point.

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 15, 2017 at 7:14 am

    I’ve been doing nothing but surf the web and bullshitting my way through corporate America for over 25 years now. Just saying that it is possible.

  3. sfsarge said, on December 15, 2017 at 7:38 am

    Well when your team sucks and and will for a long time and all you do is say we tried. Hey look, we’re going to re-sign the backup catcher. See we’re doing something.

    • sfsarge said, on December 15, 2017 at 7:39 am

      Then it’s time to go

  4. willedav said, on December 15, 2017 at 8:15 am

    Machado said he wants to play SS. Always thought Craw would be a good fit for the O’s. He could blast ball out of that park, improve their IF D, and he would be lot less expensive.

    Not that I have much faith in FO, but for all the rumors no one did much of anything at the Meetings.

    Austin Jackson, lol. Not sure there was ever a good time to get him, but now?

    Oh–someone here recommended novel by J (?) Lethem, Anatomy of a Gambler. That was a good read, pretty funny and interesting view of Berkeley where lot of story takes place.

    • xoot said, on December 15, 2017 at 9:56 am

      yeah, helluva book. Lethem worked at Moe’s on Telegraph for a long while; slept there at night, they say.

  5. willedav said, on December 15, 2017 at 8:20 am

    Ah, Jackson exploded last year for Tribe. Before that 3 pretty bad seasons in a row after 2013 when he was .less than .700 OPS hitter without much power. 30 yrs old, so gotta wonder if that was a one off.

  6. snarkk said, on December 15, 2017 at 8:37 am

    Bad news, expected news: Giants did squat.
    Good news: Giants didn’t do something really stoopid…

  7. unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2017 at 9:11 am

    Well, most of the teams did the same nothing as well, so it’s a perk I suppose, to act like you are doing something when you are just whistling Dixie.

  8. Flavor said, on December 15, 2017 at 9:45 am

    • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 9:59 am

      The Giants have spent a lot of money lately adding more coaches at the minor league level. Bell was probably appalled at what he found going on in the Giants’ minor leagues.

      • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 10:05 am

        How much developing has our minors done?
        Posey, Crawford, Lincecum, and Belt had most of their development in college ball. Bumgarner and Cain were in the majors by age 20, almost right out of high school. In fact, in the minors, the Giants tried to change Bum’s crossfire motion before giving up and letting him throw like he did in high school.

      • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 10:08 am

        What non-first round high school pick have the Giants turned into a solid major leaguer in the last 10 years?

      • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 10:17 am

        I imagine the Giants’ draft people and the Giants’ development accusing each other of being the problem. The amazing 3 in 5 actually hid a major problem in the Giants’ system. The chickens eventually came home to roost. The rest of MLB caught on. We’re not getting a Freddie Sanchez for Alderson or a Pence for Josephs lately.
        And the Giants could figure out how to get Duvall to hit, which may have changed things a bit.

      • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 10:18 am

        “couldn’t figure out,” I meant.

      • xoot said, on December 15, 2017 at 12:42 pm

        they signed Reyes Moronta at age 17, I think, out of the Dominican R

  9. Macdog said, on December 15, 2017 at 10:29 am

    Padres make another trade, getting SS Freddy Galvis from the Phils for a minor-league pitcher.

  10. alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2017 at 10:44 am

    And the Phillies get Carlos Santana!
    While the Giants get the guitarist…

  11. Macdog said, on December 15, 2017 at 10:47 am

    Baggs has tweeted a bunch of personnel moves in Giants’ farm system, but this one stood out:

    “On pitching side, Matt Buschmann becomes assistant director in charge of run prevention…”

  12. Flavor said, on December 15, 2017 at 11:05 am

    Sandoval was in the minor league system for a while, I would credit them with developing him

    • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 11:13 am

      One! 🙂

  13. unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2017 at 11:29 am

    Rags should get credit for the work he did with the pitchers for all those years. A lot of scrap-heap guys turned their careers under him.

    Bushmann? Director of run prevention? I think abstinence is the best policy. . . .

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 15, 2017 at 11:48 am

    This idea that the Giants system hasn’t developed anyone is becoming nonsensical.

    Even with their college experience, Belt and Crawford absolutely were developed. Belt’s swing was tweaked to improve his power. Crawford took 3 years to go through the system and let’s be honest, Bochy was proclaiming .250 as a GOAL for him. Nobody thought he’d hit as well as he has. How about J Sanchez, Romo, Wilson, Strickland, Panik & Duffy? You could even throw Ishikawa and Schierholtz in there to a lesser extent. Let’s say 1 or 2 of Shaw, Arroyo & Slater stick in the show. Is that success? What about Stratton? The club has churned out complementary players just fine. Impact players? That’s another question.

    • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 12:25 pm

      I guess I’m meaning impact players. Guys like Schierholtz and Strickland seem journeymen-ish to me. And did Crawford and Belt reach their potential? It’s possible they did. The player has to supply a talent element.
      It’s just frustrating to watch the Dodgers take journeymen, Turner, Taylor, Toles, and a few others and get big production from them.
      It’s possible the Dodgers just got lucky with those guys, but they keep doing it. And there may be some juicing involved.

      • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 12:28 pm

        Heck, Bellinger hit one HR in high school. What’s up with that?

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 15, 2017 at 12:30 pm

        I’d say Crawford has realized his potential. Not sure what else you’re looking for from him. Belt is an open question but he’s been among the club leaders in most offensive categories and is very good defensively. I often defend Belt but I’m not his biggest fan. My point is only that he’s not really a pain point on the roster imo. As long as the club is going to keep rotating Posey between C & 1B, Belt is probably the best solution.

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 15, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    Speaking of Duffy, here’s some news on him.

  16. unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2017 at 2:08 pm

    Everyone likes Duffy. Maybe he was the good luck piece that held the good ship Giants together. And they cratered without him. Fuck, who knows? But yeah, Crawfish, Panik, Sandoval, Posey, and Belt are pretty much success stories. Belt is an enigma, but if he was on a ‘norma’ team, say the Dodgers, he’d be a piece of the puzzle of a solid team. As it is, he missed 2 months and still led the team in home runs. Of course that is an indictment of everybody else, but he catches way too much shit for what he brings. And that is excellent defense and a decent bat.

    • alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2017 at 2:21 pm

      Would other fan base teams have the same sympathy for Belt if he’s traded and he continued having the slumped shoulders after K’ing or taking a 3rd strike ? Just wondering?

      • unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2017 at 2:25 pm

        Well, if he was hitting in Houston, he’s pretty much double his numbers. Any other park in the country would improve his output.

  17. alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2017 at 2:14 pm

    It’s a shame that Bochy will go into the HOF with a losing career record, guess he will be the 1st?

    • unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2017 at 2:21 pm

      I’m sure he doesn’t give two fucks about that. Connie Mack has a losing record, but he managed for 50+ years, for God’s sake.

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2017 at 2:18 pm

    Granted, it’s all about ‘what have you done lately?’ but they built the 3 in 5 with the draft, pitching, and scrap-heap (Scoots, Glasschez, Mota, Casilla, Huff, Burrell, The Riot, Schierholtz, Ross, Uribe, Rent, and guys I can’t think of off the top of my head) guys.

    And yeah, maybe it’s gonna be a down time, and maybe it’s the 3 beers I’ve had on free beer friday here at work talking, but to suddenly disavow what they did is sour grapes. They might be missing the boat now, but they did shake up the coaching staff, and I really hope they get something for the OF and especially the pen, but hey, there’s still the rest of our lives to bask over what so recently was.

  19. xoot said, on December 15, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    Houston just signed Rondon and Joe Smith to improve the pen, the one weak spot on the roster last season. (It didn’t get noticed much until the PS because the big offense won them so many games during the year.) The Giants, I predict, will not do much to improve their pen except hope that Will Smith and Melancon heal well after surgery.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 15, 2017 at 3:54 pm

      Agree. Assuming Melancon & Smith come back healthy, those two plus Dyson and Strickland form a pretty good foundation for a BP. I think Strickland gets traded at some point this off season so between Osich, Okert & Gearrin it’s pretty much rounded out. Would’ve like to see the club hold on to Suarez as a swing man but he’s gone to AZ in the rule 5.

  20. alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2017 at 3:33 pm

    Matt Buschmann??
    Director of run prevention??
    WTF does that even mean?
    Don’t walk, are hit a batter?
    Don’t give up a hit pitchers are you will be fined in kangaroo court?
    Had to google him up,he spent 10 years in the minors and finally got a cup of coffee with Toronto as a late callup??
    Has one thing going for him though, his wife is smoking hot!!

  21. alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    OOPs it was the Arizona Diamondbacks who called him up not Toronto, whatever..

  22. pawliekokonuts said, on December 15, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    A friend of mine (Mets fan; my daughter and I watched the Conor blast at his house) gave me the most delightful gift today: A Book of Walks by Bruce Bochy. Maybe you locals are familiar with it. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24998961-a-book-of-walks

  23. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 15, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    Shea reporting Moore and/or Pence deal is in place. Partner and players not mentioned.

    • alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2017 at 4:21 pm

      Sounds like a salary dump to shed some dough and hopefully get a Outfielder..
      Stanton, Blach could slide into Moor’s spot easily. And when is Beede ever going to be ready? Dude’s a 1st rd pick and now is going to be 24! Get him every chance to impress hopefully in ST and get him in the running for the 5th spot before he rots away..

      • alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2017 at 4:23 pm

        Stanton? Still dreaming of Giancarlo I guess..Meant Stratton

      • blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2017 at 5:19 pm

        Rots away? He’s already rotten AK . . .
        As well as pussy whipped. Oh, he’s also 24 and turns 25 in May. ERA of 4.79 and WHIP of 1.46 last season in Sac.

        I just don’t see where this kid has a future in baseball (except on the Giants major or minor league coaching staff a la Ishi or Buschmann. LOL).

  24. Flavor said, on December 15, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    Moore just didn’t work out here. Not expecting much in return.

  25. Flavor said, on December 15, 2017 at 4:32 pm

    The only reason to do that Moore trade is if they are planning on taking on salary for offense. Otherwise, this was stupid.

  26. Flavor said, on December 15, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    yikes. How would Beede manage a wife AND an mlb career?

  27. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 15, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    I was thinking they must be bullish on Beede to make this move. Or completely lost faith in Moore.

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2017 at 5:40 pm

      I’d bet on the latter…

  28. Macdog said, on December 15, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    I can’t think of a better way to implement run prevention than getting rid of Moore.

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm

      Glad he’s gone.
      Head case…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2017 at 6:18 pm

      Matt Buschmann, Director of run prevention, is already making an impact!

      • alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2017 at 6:57 pm

        Now that was funny Blade!
        You know we have outfielders as well that qualifies in the for run prevention category..

  29. blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    I’m tentatively for this deal if we continue to clean house. Don’t stop with Moore. Keep pruning this putrid POS roster for prospects.

    Moore’s 6-15 record with a 5.52 ERA in 174⅓ innings last season, set a career high for losses and he gave up a career-worst 107 earned runs. Zero loss him being gone.

  30. zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    Nice pick-up for the Phillies. Intriguing team.

    • zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 7:30 pm

      Santana probably makes the Phils better than the Giants at the moment.

  31. zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    Dodger fans rather enjoy the Giants being down these days, which makes their loss in the World Series even more enjoyable for Giants fans.

  32. zumiee said, on December 15, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    This Dodger fan was not pleased this week:

    SoCalBum says:
    December 14, 2017 at 10:15 am
    Boy was that fun, monitoring the Dodgers Winter Meeting inactivity! Not expecting much as team did not have any glaring needs other than the BP, but NOTHING other than signing an ex Braves Latin suspect, er prospect. No coaches, no minor league deals with ST invites, no replacements for Morrow and Watson, no adds to AAA and AA rosters in place of the minor league free agents the Dodgers lost, etc. Pretty fair list of NOTHING.

  33. snarkk said, on December 15, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    What kind of prospects can they possibly get for Moore? I can hardly wait. Must have been a case of Curt Young talking with Rags and concluding let somebody else play shrink..,

  34. gianthead said, on December 15, 2017 at 9:54 pm

    I had Moore penciled in for a couple deals…but was thinking Red Sox or Yankees. Both need insurance arms. One would have hoped for a bigger deal with upper tier prospects and/or Belt to get Mazara…but no one is buying our prospects. Does seem Ramos had everyone interested so should be a sign that maybe he is the potential real deal.

    Well payroll down to $180 mill so they can add $20 mill, unless hell freezes over and they can dump Pence. Dont see the $20 mill being spent on JD Martinez or an arb year of Machado…can they make a deal for 2 $10 mill OFs such as Jackie Bradley and Garcia? Or is it a deal for McCutchen and something lesser on the free agent front for CF?


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