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Happy Holidays To ALL!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 23, 2017

Flappers, I am taking a hiatus for a few weeks. I’ll be out of the country for part of that and it just won’t be convenient to try to blog or change the threads. So man the ship, keep her sea worthy, weather any storms and watch out for pirates. Hopefully when I get back (January 9th) we will have assembled a team that can sail off to glory once again.

Steady as she goes mateys, steady as she goes…..

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  1. Flavor said, on December 23, 2017 at 7:31 am

    i’ll be around for the next 36 hours or so and in and out after that. I just wanted to make sure there was a thread up explaining the down time here at the Flap.

  2. willedav said, on December 23, 2017 at 7:41 am

    Flav have fun.
    Lakers were often a lot more interesting to watch than GS last night. Warriors outside core 4 don’t have youth and athleticism, other than Bell. And zero outside shooting beside Young, who is a marginal player. Their picks sure look lot more talented than McCaw and Looney.

  3. willedav said, on December 23, 2017 at 8:19 am

    while Sabes and rebuild certainly don’t go together, acquiring OF talent has been a staple of his for a long time.
    Not just through 3/5 with Pence Torres Pagan Burrell Ross, but all the way back to Kenny Lofton Ellis Burks and Reggie Sanders. Need is still there, so go get someone that can hit and play CF at least.

    I like Loo’s idea of picking up Flores and Lagares. This would add much needed depth and of course help de-honkify team and give Cueto someone else to talk to.

  4. unca_chuck said, on December 23, 2017 at 8:53 am

    Bell is a marvel. McCaw not so much. Looney is strictly a role player. But it is hard to hit when you are at the bottom of the draft. Kuzma should be ROY but likely won’t. When the Lakers get Bron Bron, they’ll be pretty tough. Paul George as well.

  5. zumiee said, on December 23, 2017 at 8:57 am

    Fun fact: according to Baseball America, Heliot Ramos’ first name is pronounced exactly the same as the English name Elliot. That seems hard to believe to me. In my mind, Heliot was pronounced “eee-lee-oh.” I have no idea why I was thinking that. I was going a little French with that, I guess, like Monet. There is some French colonial history in the Caribbean.
    The Giants need to hang on to Ramos. He’s 6’2″, has power, and plays well on defense in the outfield. He’s only about 18 years old. It would be an exciting thing for the Giants to develop him into a solid major leaguer, if they can. I think he is starting the 2018 season in Low Single A in Georgia. When he gets to High Single A in San Jose that will be fun. A lot of us will be able to see him play if we want to.

  6. zumiee said, on December 23, 2017 at 9:04 am

    Here’s Baseball America’s prediction for the Giants at the #2 pick in 2018:

    Scouting director John Barr and team president Brian Sabean have been involved in high draft picks before, but it was a long time ago. The Giants haven’t had the homegrown pitching success in recent years that propelled them to three World Series titles from 2010-2014, led by Madison Bumgarner, the retiring Matt Cain and long-gone Tim Lincecum.

    This draft class is pitching-heavy, especially on the high school side, with Georgia prep Ethan Hankins poised to become the third prep righthander in five drafts to go out No. 2 overall, joining the Marlins’ Tyler Kolek (2014) and Reds’ Hunter Greene (2017). Scouts want to see more consistency out of Hankins’ breaking ball, but his fastball, size, dominant summer with USA Baseball’s 18U national team and makeup all push him toward the top of the draft class.

    PICK: Ethan Hankins, RHP, Forsyth Central High, Cumming, Ga. |

    • zumiee said, on December 23, 2017 at 9:09 am

      For Detroit at the top pick, they predict:

      Having the Tigers at No. 1 makes Florida’s Brady Singer a prohibitive favorite. They value top performers in the Southeastern Conference, and may have struck gold in 2017 when Singer’s rotation mate from the spring, Alex Faedo, inexplicably fell all the way to the Tigers at No. 18 overall. The duo could help jump-start a Motor City rebuild.

  7. blade3colorado said, on December 23, 2017 at 9:07 am

    I’m still shaking my head about the Giants assuming Longoria’s $72 million over the next five years for a team that spent $191 million to lose 98 games last season and is on the hook for at least $175 million in 2018. Much of that money is tied up in veterans who, like Longoria, are wading deeper into their 30s: Brandon Belt (30 next season), Posey (31), Crawford (31), Cueto (32), Smarg (33), Melancon (33), and Pence (35) will earn . . . wait for it . . . a combined $128.9 million this coming year. There’s no relief in sight, either: With Longoria, the Giants have $132.9 million committed in ’19, $129.4 million in ’20 and $94.1 million in ’21 (to just five players!) and after the ’19 season, they’ll have to pony millions more to pay free-agent-to-be MadBum.

    Flores and Lagares? That’s about all the Giants can afford . . . and forget about the other 2 outfielders, 1-2 pitchers, and 2 bullpen arms we need to fill. Oh joy!

  8. djloo27 said, on December 23, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    Have a great trip, Flavor and a well deserved vacation from this crew.
    Merry Christmas and HNY…

  9. zumiee said, on December 23, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    The problem I have with Star Wars movies is that they are science fiction for people who aren’t science fiction fans. In other words, they aren’t even really science fiction. They’re kind of a space fantasy, more like Lord of the Rings.

    • zumiee said, on December 23, 2017 at 8:30 pm

      There’s actually better real science fiction in a Rick and Morty cartoon.
      I don’t like the nihilism in Rick and Morty, though, as funny as the cartoon is.
      I like the science fiction of Kim Stanley Robinson, which always has an essence of optimism in it.

  10. unca_chuck said, on December 23, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    I’ll never understand the NBA scheduling of 3 games in 4 days. The schedule is long as hell but they pack 3 games in 96 hours. Dumb and dangerous. Like the NFL’s Thursday night football, it’s too much too soon.

  11. blade3colorado said, on December 23, 2017 at 10:27 pm

    Alen Hanson, a switch-hitter known for playing all over the diamond, announced on Instagram that he had signed a deal with the Giants. Last season, Hanson hit .231 with four home runs and nine steals.

    • xoot said, on December 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm

      Minor league deal

    • djloo27 said, on December 24, 2017 at 6:14 am

      I like it!

  12. pawliekokonuts said, on December 24, 2017 at 6:14 am

    Thanks, Magnus, for all you do here. Take a refreshing break. All holiday best to all Flapizens.

  13. Flavor said, on December 24, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    This niner shit is incredible. Blowing my mind.

  14. djloo27 said, on December 24, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    Football Giants are worse than the baseball Giants…

  15. mrsprtdude said, on December 24, 2017 at 5:50 pm

    Jimmy GQ is killing it. Now they have to sign him. Funny that it’s so exciting they are playing so well, but the wins messed up the draft and are making Jimmy more expensive!

  16. pawliekokonuts said, on December 24, 2017 at 6:49 pm

    Magnus, want to revive the stable mates?

  17. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 24, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    Just want to wish all Flappers in Flap Universe a lovely Christmas, year-end, and new year’s….

    • djloo27 said, on December 24, 2017 at 11:02 pm

      Same to you, Paul and all you guys…

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 24, 2017 at 11:31 pm

    Jax defense is overrated. They’ve been playing tomato cans all season. THey lost to the Jets for God’s sake.

  19. unca_chuck said, on December 24, 2017 at 11:32 pm

    Merry X-mas one and all! And have a happy new year!

  20. Macdog said, on December 25, 2017 at 6:57 am

    Merry Christmas to everyone in Flap-land!!

  21. willedav said, on December 25, 2017 at 7:52 am

    just saw headline about typhoon headed Nam’s way…Enjoy Holiday everyone and be safe and well.

  22. mrsprtdude said, on December 25, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    Merry Christmas flappers!!!!

  23. Lurker John said, on December 25, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Merry Christmas, Flappers! Love all you guys!

  24. alleykat69 said, on December 25, 2017 at 1:41 pm

    Merry Christmas 🎁🎄 to all the Flappers everywhere !!🎄🎁🍾🍷🍸🤪🍺🥃

  25. unca_chuck said, on December 25, 2017 at 2:54 pm

    Niners win, Dubs win. God bless us, everyone!!

  26. xoot said, on December 25, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    Giants have no OF and no bullpen. God help us in 2018

  27. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 25, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    Yeah, Willie, “big” typhoon out of Philippines was supposed to clobber us here in the south… government ordered all schools closed Monday and today… but the storm ended up tracking further south, stayed over the sea and headed to Thailand instead. Result: 2 days off for Christmas that I wasn’t scheduled to get, and the weather is crystal clear and lovely today. Sometimes gov’t “over-stepping” its bounds is a good thing. 🙂

  28. zumiee said, on December 25, 2017 at 6:43 pm

    Giants fans in the middle of the 2018 season:

    • djloo27 said, on December 25, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      From Gimme Shelter!
      I always felt a little bad for this guy.
      I wonder how it turned out for him.
      Did he get home okay that night?
      Do you think he became a big successful businessman?
      Is he a doting grandpa living in a mansion somewhere?

      • zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 12:45 am

        He seems to have vanished into the mists of time.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 26, 2017 at 5:40 pm

        I seriously thought this was Brad Pitt.

  29. zumiee said, on December 25, 2017 at 6:46 pm

    Merry Christmas, Flappers! Hope all is well for everyone.

  30. zumiee said, on December 25, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    The TNT crew is rightfully hammering the T-Wolves and Lakers for the quality of play. It’s pretty ragged.

  31. unca_chuck said, on December 26, 2017 at 8:13 am

    Warriors/Cavs was pretty sloppy as well.

    GS – FG – 46.3% 3 pt – 27.0% FT – 76.5% TO – 15
    Cle – 31.8% 41.7% 84.0% 14

  32. zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 10:19 am

    The movie Gimme Shelter was on my mind because I recently finished reading Joel Selvin’s book “Altamont,” published last year.
    I never thought much of Selvin’s concert reviews with the SF Chronicle over the years. He always seemed, to me, like a Baby Boomer pining for the greatness of the ’60s, and not really getting the alternative rock music of the ’80s and ’90s, and kind of lazy about it. He would give vague reviews that sometimes didn’t mention any song titles, as if he didn’t even bother to get to know the band’s music before going to the show. And I suspect that’s true.
    “Altamont,” on the other hand, is excellent. Riveting, actually. It shows that Selvin, if given a topic right in his ’60s wheelhouse, can really nail it. It’s very well-researched and well-written, yet not overly long. A pretty quick read.
    There’s so much more to the Altamont story than I realized. The movie is just a fraction of the story.
    I wasn’t intending to read about Altamont, but I came across the book while browsing in my excellent local library.

    • zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 10:31 am

      People who have only watched the movie would be surprised to know that the Grateful Dead, shown arriving at Altamont, decided not to perform after hearing about the violence going on in the stage area. That left a two-hour gap before the Stones performed, allowing for the crowd to get more full of LSD and meth, and impatience.
      The original idea for the free festival had been the Dead’s, although they had wanted it in Golden Gate Park.
      A lot of people nowadays don’t know that Santana, and also Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, performed earlier in the day and then got the heck out of there. And later refused to allow their performances to be shown in the movie.

    • willedav said, on December 26, 2017 at 1:14 pm

      Enjoyed that one too Zum. Stones come off really badly. Too bad the original plan of a free concert in SF got hijacked.

  33. gianthead said, on December 26, 2017 at 10:30 am

    Flav, hopefully you get some good gambling in wherever you may go….

    Was thinking over the break more of the Longoria trade, which I still think is a bad bad baseball move. This reminds me more and more of the Aaron Rowand signing (God I hope I dont have to watch anyone with that swing on our team ever again!!!). Remember when they signed Rowand (’09?), it was all about bringing in leadership yada yada and Rowand being a great clubhouse guy.

    We are hearing the same about Longoria.

    This tells me two things. Pence was the vocal clubhouse leader and now he is no more and not likely to be starting. The person who should be the leader in Buster is quiet as a church mouse.

    There was also dissension among the team last year in the Buster-Belt issue but also the rest of the Pen being unhappy with Melancon and his lack of being their leader and him doing his own thing instead of what I guess has become a Giant tradition amoung the relievers.

    So I am getting the feeling the Longoria trade is more about shaking up the clubhouse as demoting Boch’s coaches two years in a row is also a sign that Boch is probably unable to be that leader any longer. But like with Rowand, trying to force chemistry on a sports team is usually a bad move on its face and certainly doing so without the higher importance of being a good baseball management move usually portends bad things for that player’s future abilities on the field.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 26, 2017 at 5:28 pm

      Good points.

  34. gianthead said, on December 26, 2017 at 10:36 am

    It was also interesting seeing the Pavlovic article putting some cold water in the Jay Bruce idea and also the comment about Sabean being high on Slater being the future CF.

    Didnt we just try going with two unproven young OF last year in Williamson and Pavlovic and we all see how that had turned out…I hope Slater is a stud of studs (no one im the baseball world has deemed him so so far, which should give us pause), but if this is a sign that we all fear that mgmt is going with another smoke and mirrors strategy and we will go another year without a major significant upgrade, it will be a long frickin year.

    • zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 10:43 am

      Yeah, when Evans starts touting the in-house “solutions,” we know the transaction activity is winding down.

      • zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 10:44 am

        Sabean, too.

  35. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 26, 2017 at 11:00 am

    The club is stuck with Pence so they have to make the best of it. Moving him out of RF has to happen but Williamson and Parker (who sucks) in RF? Yikes.

    Slater has been decent in just over 100 abs. I’m fine with seeing more of him. He’s played more 2b and LF than CF across his minor league career. CF at At&t may not be a good decision for a guy that’s had hip issues but maybe he recovers well.

    • zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 11:37 am

      Parker turns 29 next month, LOL, and Williamson will be 27 next season, an old 27 with all the injuries he’s had.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 26, 2017 at 5:39 pm

        Great post Zumiee . . . Also, the follow up by GH and the 2 posts below by Willie and Dirt.

        This front office has zero clue. Personally, I think they exacerbate the Longoria mistake by adding Ironman – my new name for Bruce . . . He’ll make you wish Gorkys was playing his position after you see him in the field. Good arm, but that’s it. A liability in the outfield.

    • willedav said, on December 26, 2017 at 1:20 pm

      One of the downsides to last season was none of these guys, plus Arroyo, really got a full season in so Giants could get look at rebuild. While only Slater seems decent, the others didn’t get full shot either.

      I’m OK with Slater in one OF spot and Shaw getting full shot in one corner with the others fighting it out for roster spots. Pence has to show he’s better than last year or gets waived. Him blocking anyone if he can’t put up .700 OPs is just not good baseball.

  36. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 26, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    Right now Gorky, Slater, Pence, Williamson and Parker (who sucks) are on the roster. Unless they get someone like Bruce, that will probably be the OF to start the season. I’ve seen it mentioned that the front office wants Shaw to get some more seasoning so I’d be surprised to see him break camp with the club. He and Duggar will have to force their way into consideration.

    Really could make the argument that improvements to the staff and BP are bigger concerns.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 26, 2017 at 5:17 pm

      I think Parker must’ve officially changed his surname to Parker(whosucks)…. 🙂

  37. pawliekokonuts said, on December 26, 2017 at 4:54 pm

    I just read A Book of Walks by Bruce Bochy. It’s a gem. a pearl. a dandy little book.

    • zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 5:09 pm

      I was hoping my local library would get that book, but it hasn’t happened yet.

      • pawliekokonuts said, on December 26, 2017 at 5:33 pm

        It’s a tiny pocket-sized book. Bruce talks — clearly he was recorded and it was transcribed and edited, which ain’t that easy; I’ve done it as a ghost writer — and his voice is there. That’s half the fun of it. He talks of walks in SF (two different chapters), Milwaukee, San Diego, Chicago, NYC, Cincy-KY, Arizona. He comes across as a bit of a zen master. Not a surprise. The proceeds go to a writing center in Cali.

  38. zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 5:15 pm

    For my birthday, I was given Ron Chernow’s latest book, a 1,000 page biography of Ulysses Grant.
    Chernow is known now for his Hamilton biography. I haven’t read that book. I still marvel that Hamilton is a hit musical. Who’da thunk it? I haven’t seen it.
    The Grant book is very engaging. It’ll take a while to read, but Chernow has me hooked in.

    • gianthead said, on December 27, 2017 at 6:44 am

      I am about 100 pages in on Hamilton and that was a year ago. got my father in law that Grant bio last year and just got him the Da Vinci one…

  39. zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    Regarding the Altamont book, I had never heard the story of Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young hot-wiring (stealing) a truck from the Tracy airport and driving right into the Altamont Speedway. After performing, they helicoptered out, so that truck was left there for who knows how long.

    And many of the Hell’s Angels used as stage-area security (gee, what could go wrong with that?) had brought pool cue-sticks to beat up on unruly fans or anyone who messed with their motorcycles. Pool cue-sticks. That should have been one of the signs that the day was not going to go well.

  40. blade3colorado said, on December 26, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    Dead silence on Giants rumor front, except for Billy Hamilton. He’ll fit right in with our other limp “spaghetti bats,” with a .248/.298/.334 career slash line.

    I love his 46 defensive runs saved since 2014. Which is rank second among all center fielders, trailing only Kevin Pillar (52) of the Blue Jays. Too bad Pillar called Jason Motte a homophobic slur . . . As he’d be the better addition IMO.

  41. Macdog said, on December 26, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    Re A Book of Walks by Bruce Bochy: Did Matt Moore write the foreward?

  42. unca_chuck said, on December 26, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    Zumie, the same thing happened with Creedence Clearwater Revival and their performance at Woodstock. They thought is was so bad they didn’t want it included in the movie. Lots of people don’t even know they played there.

    • zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 9:44 pm

      Yeah, the movie becomes the most well-known history. To me, a lot of the performers sound pretty ragged at Woodstock and Altamont. But part of that might be the sound systems used in those days for outdoor concerts.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 27, 2017 at 8:45 am

      Yeah, I think the Dead played for like 3.5 hours before them. Creedence started really late. As crappy as it sounded I still think the Star Spangled banner by Hendrix is one of the most amazing things you will ever hear someone do with a guitar.

  43. Macdog said, on December 26, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    Zum, sounds like a cool book. Wasn’t it the Dead who recommended the Hell’s Angels to the Stones for the Altamont security?

    • zumiee said, on December 26, 2017 at 10:04 pm

      Yeah, but Selvin makes the point that, if the concert had been held in Golden Gate Park, the SF chapter of the Hells Angels would have been in charge of security; they had a good relationship with the music scene in SF, and they were more disciplined than a lot of those at Altamont, where it was a mish-mash of different Angels from all over California under no central authority. The whole event at Altamont was a mish-mash without a central authority. The Stones had gotten control of the event from the Dead, and then turned it into chaos. The Dead had experience with big free concerts in the Park. The Stones made negotiation mistakes that caused the event to be dropped from the Park.
      And the Stones were thinking the Hells Angels at Altamont were going to be like the ones in England, who were not into the outlaw spirit.
      After Altamont, the bands in SF disowned the Hells Angels completely.

  44. unca_chuck said, on December 26, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    And, for no particular reason . . .

  45. unca_chuck said, on December 26, 2017 at 9:58 pm

    Oh snap! The 49ers are finally on the right path!!!

  46. willedav said, on December 27, 2017 at 7:39 am

    Grant bio got good review in Chron Book section. He was not accorded much respect during his presidency, so I’m interested to hear anything new that might mitigate that.

    I love college football but have yet to watch one minute of peach pit somebody’s sponsor name bowls so far.
    But I want to catch local game. Purdue, where a friend of mine’s kid is a junior, had its best season since maybe Brees was there winning 6 games and beating in state rival IU Hoosiers.
    Opponent is Arizona, with very exciting QB Khalil Tate. Saw him a few times, great runner with strong and sometimes accurate arm who made a winner out of Rich Rodriguez. Story is USC wanted Tate but weren’t sure he was gonna be their QB, so he said no thanks and went elsewhere out of state.

  47. willedav said, on December 27, 2017 at 8:20 am

    Schulman says he voted Vizquel into HOF on ballot he sent in and has column on why he thinks he is first ballot HOFer, while admitting highly unlikely it happens.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 27, 2017 at 6:17 pm

      One of my favorite players.

  48. unca_chuck said, on December 27, 2017 at 8:50 am

    Fun video of the Stones and the Dead waiting on Pier 23 for the helicopter to take them to Altamont. Little did they know of the carnage about to erupt. Don’t know that the earlier video of Hendrix with the Stones is . . .

    • djloo27 said, on December 27, 2017 at 9:58 am

      By today’s standards, it would be an unfortunate incident.
      You gotta get into double digit deaths to really make some news…

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 11:07 am

        Yeah, all things considered, it was kind of miraculous there were only four deaths at Altamont. The famous one, Meredith Hunter killed by the Hell’s Angels right in front of the stage; and a drugged-up guy who tried to swim in the nearby swift-moving California Aqueduct canal; and two people who were hit by a guy racing off with a stolen car.
        There were many injuries, including Balin and Jagger both getting punched, and the Stones’ road manager got some front teeth knocked out when he tried to stop some Hell’s Angels from stealing the Stones’ fancy stage carpet after the concert.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 11:16 am

        Selvin believes that the Airplane and Stones were never the same after the traumatic concert.
        The Airplane did break up within a year or two (which may have happened anyway), and the Stones drifted through the ’70s becoming a less important band (which may have happened anyway.)

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 11:55 am

        The winners at Altamont were the filmmakers. Gimme Shelter is one of the most remarkable rock music films ever made.
        Meredith Hunter’s family sued for liability and was eventually only awarded $10,000. Not much of a payoff.
        He’s buried in Vallejo.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 12:08 pm

        Hunter did have a gun on him (which he shouldn’t have brought with him), but all the evidence proved he only pulled the gun out when he was getting pummeled by Hell’s Angels, whose biggest beef with him was probably that he was a black man there with a white woman. Lots of people that day got caught up in an early form of stage-diving. Jumping up on the ridiculously low stage (only four feet high. Woodstock’s stage was fifteen feet high) and getting shoved off by the Angels. Hunter was high on meth (as were many thousands there) and was probably trying to get on the stage.
        He was 19 years old. His date was 18.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 12:17 pm

        The Hell’s Angel who stabbed him repeatedly was eventually arrested and went to trial on a murder charge, but was found not guilty by reason of self-defense, by an all-white jury.
        That Hell’s Angel had to go to prison for other crimes not related to Altamont. He was later freed, and in 1985 his murdered body was found floating in a canal, with $10,000 cash in his pocket.

  49. Macdog said, on December 27, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    While the Stones did drift through the mid-70s, two of their best albums came not long after Altamont: Sticky Fingers (’71) and, especially, Exile on Main Street (’72).

    • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 1:07 pm

      That’s a good point, with the only caveat that two of the best Sticky Fingers songs, “Brown Sugar” and “Wild Horses,” were written and recorded before Altamont.

  50. djloo27 said, on December 27, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    Good stuff, Zum…

    • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 1:11 pm

      Thanks; I sometimes get kind of transfixed by “stranger than fiction” types of stories.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 1:12 pm

        All credit to Selvin for writing a fascinating book.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 1:47 pm

        To get to the Bay Area, I drive from the Central Valley over the Altamont Pass on the freeway (580) that goes through the coastal mountains near the Speedway. The Speedway isn’t visible from the frreeway. The Speedway is closed down and fenced off. It takes a country road to get there. I’ve never been there.
        Most of the concert-goers parked on 580 and just went wandering over the hills in search of the Speedway.
        Sometimes when I’m driving over the Pass, I give that concert a momentary thought.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 2:00 pm

        In 1984, I was driving my car, a not-very-reliable 1970s Dodge Dart, back home from an event in the Bay Area late at night, and on the way home, the car’s electrical system went out, and I went over the Altamont Pass without headlights (not recommended.) I pulled off the freeway, parked the car, and took off walking on a country road. Pretty eerie. A guy driving an 18-wheeler felt sorry for me and pulled over. I risked getting murdered and got in the truck with him, and he took me to a truckstop where I could call my dad to come and get me. The truckdriver was very cool.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 2:07 pm

        A lot of Central Valley drivers have an Altamont Pass story. It’s a relatively long climb that has broken down many a vehicle.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 2:12 pm

        Nowadays, the Altamont Pass is most known for all the windmills generating electrical power.

  51. zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    One of the many interesting characters in Selvin’s book is Bill Graham, the legendary concert-promoter. He wasn’t allowed to be part of the Altamont event, and he was at first angry about that, but probably very glad later to not be involved with it. He comes across as very quick-tempered and incredibly-driven which often ran up against musician-hippie-ness and chafed him greatly. He went on to basically invent the modern rock concert and become hugely successful.
    In 1991, he died in a helicopter crash near Vallejo, coming home from a Huey Lewis concert during a windy rainstorm. In the terrible weather the pilot didn’t see this transformer tower:

    • djloo27 said, on December 27, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      I think it would take 6 figures to get me into a helicopter…

  52. zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    One of the wild things about Altamont is the ages of the musicians at the time. Jagger was all of 26 years old. Richards was 25. Mick Taylor was 20! Watts was 28, and Wyman was the old geezer in the band at 33.

    • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 2:59 pm

      Stephen Stills and Neil Young were 24 year olds.

  53. zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    Regarding the film footage of Hendrix with the Stones, that might be backstage at Madison Square Garden from earlier in that tour.

    • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 3:22 pm

      MSG is the other concert footage in the movie.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 3:27 pm

        Hendrix died about a year later.

  54. zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    According to the MLB Network, the Giants/Hamilton trade talk has really heated up.

  55. djloo27 said, on December 27, 2017 at 5:13 pm

    I wonder if anybody has Jagger’s outfit from that night…

    • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 5:49 pm

      What cracks me up is he made a joke about his “trousers” falling off, in one of the performance sequences in the movie, and when I saw the Stones in concert in the early 2000s, he made the same joke about his trousers. That’s some serious mileage on that joke over the years!

      • djloo27 said, on December 27, 2017 at 5:59 pm

        Maybe he was making a joke about the joke for the real hard core fans…

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 6:30 pm

        And the audience was pretty blasted in the 2000s, too, mostly on booze. Middle-aged people were guzzling hard liquor like no tomorrow. I was pretty stunned. The audience was reverting back to some kind of crazy younger years. Maybe the Stones just bring that out. People want to get kind of crazy.
        I’ve never owned a Stones album, but I’ve seen them in concert three times, from 2000 on. The elder Stones years. Still putting on a great show. Mostly the same songs in the set.

      • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 6:35 pm

        Yeah, you’re likely right that it’s a joke about the joke.

      • xoot said, on December 27, 2017 at 6:40 pm

        I saw the Stones once, late summer 1981, Candlestick. All of us boomers were smoking dope. I don’t recall any alcohol. Jagger wore a weird outfit based on the Oakland a’s uniform. They’d made the PS that year. I remember being mildly annoyed. I believe that was the first major concert to use cordless mics and guitars. iirc, the guy who invented that technology lived in Berkeley. George Thorogood opened and tore it up, although his mic and guitar were tethered. Only the Stones had the new stuff.

      • djloo27 said, on December 27, 2017 at 6:54 pm

        Thorogood knows his baseball. Trust me on that…

      • xoot said, on December 27, 2017 at 8:00 pm

        Sounds like an expert witness opinion based on a good foundation

  56. zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    “I think it would take 6 figures to get me into a helicopter…”

    Yeah, I’m in no hurry to ride in one, either.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 27, 2017 at 6:43 pm

      Willie might remember this . . . Sunnyvale had a commuter helicopter that my Mom took my brother and I on back in 1965 or 66. It was located by the old GE (or Signetics) building on Arques Avenue. It was a blast, albeit, only a 15-20 minute ride.

  57. zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    Everybody’s favorite Altamont concert moment, when somehow a stray dog wandered across the stage.

    • zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 9:13 pm

      Why not?

  58. zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    The Kings defeated the Cavs!

  59. zumiee said, on December 27, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    The Hell’s Angels, kicking some hippy a##.

    • djloo27 said, on December 28, 2017 at 6:49 am

      Somewhere in this Altamont mess there has to be a bobblehead commemoration that the Giants can use to sell out the park when they’re 33 games out…

    • djloo27 said, on December 28, 2017 at 7:03 am

      Gotta love the Angels weapon of choice.
      Homeland security should take note…

      • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 8:08 am

        An entrepreneurial Hell’s Angel:

  60. Macdog said, on December 27, 2017 at 10:31 pm

    Not sure what was more impressive tonight: Sac’s Vince Carter scoring 24 vs. the Cavs one month away from turning 41, or the Pels’ Rajon Rondo dishing out 25 assists vs. the Nets. Probably Carter, given the caliber of opponent.

    • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 8:20 am

      I gotta admit, Carter played great last night. And provided important veteran leadership in the 4th quarter.

    • willedav said, on December 28, 2017 at 8:32 am

      Carter hadn’t even played last 3 games. Dunno what’s up with Cavs who mostly shot bricks except for Love vs. GS but still made it close. Kings scored more on them than Warriors did.
      I don’t think trade for Thomas (still out tho due back soon) was a good idea. Irving is the better player and has already done in Warriors and beaten them in playoffs. Wonder what made him request to be dealt elsewhere that wasn’t for publication.

  61. willedav said, on December 28, 2017 at 9:10 am

    Big believer in vet leadership. Earlier Randolph stood up to Cousins in Kings W over Pelicans. Guy like Carter shows younger players how to bring it vs. LeBron and Cavs. Biggest issue with so many young guys that haven’t even played much college is how to prepare and conduct yourself through a long season and find where your game fits into team concept.

  62. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 28, 2017 at 9:23 am

    I think Irving wanted out because he was sick and tired or James’ act. From the outside looking in, James isn’t a leader that people want to play for. Want to build your brand? He’s your guy but within the team dynamic he seems like a douche.

  63. pawliekokonuts said, on December 28, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Re Macdog’s 8:20pm of Dec. 26 [St. Stephen Day; reminds me of a good Dead song]: not Matt Moore but maybe Jonathan Sanchez, or Goose Gossage, who as a Giant once came in and loaded the fuckin bases.

  64. pawliekokonuts said, on December 28, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    zumieee, where the feck do you get these amazing pix: the transformer that “transformed” Bill Graham and the Altamont windmills?

    • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 12:30 pm

      I use Google and Bling, and I always attach the phrase ‘gif’ to the searches. Those items can usually be attached to the Flap.
      It’s amazing the amount of things getting posted these days. I guess it’s the good and bad of so much information, just the sheer volume.

      • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 12:32 pm

        Some of the photos I stumble upon accidentally and can’t resist sharing. 🙂

      • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 2:55 pm

        Bing, not Bling I meant. 🙂

  65. zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    The Reds want Heliot Ramos for Hamilton. Forget that.

    • djloo27 said, on December 28, 2017 at 6:26 pm

      Absolutely no way. I have a good feeling about Heliot. They should take another one of our honkies, especially since Duvall worked out so well for them…

  66. zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    According to the MLB Network, Belt has one of the highest launch angles in baseball, and Stanton has a low one.
    Launch angle isn’t everything.

  67. zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 3:14 pm

    Usually I read baseball books in the off-season, but I’ve been on a music book kick lately. On a recent trip to the library I got a bunch of books that I don’t know when I’ll get to. Memoirs by Elvis Costello, Springsteen, Carly Simon, and Patti Smith. And a book about The Replacements.
    Meanwhile I just dove into a big book about U.S. Grant.
    I get kind of compulsive around books.

  68. gianthead said, on December 28, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    How is the free agent market this quiet??? JD Martinez is the clear biggest get amongst the hitters and nothing. Not even chatter of who is talking to him and what finanical numbers??? Less a clear cut amongst the starters. Only relievers are signing and some getting $9 mill a year…baseball world is not what it used to be…

    • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 5:39 pm

      MLB Network talked about it today. So many of the new GMs are extremely sabermetric-oriented. And sabermetrics frowns on long contracts to relatively older players. It’s changing the way things go in free agency.

      • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 5:44 pm

        They also talked about the current Giants roster. The talk was fairly grim.

  69. zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 5:50 pm

    The Celtics look like crappola vs. the Rockets. The western teams are still far superior to the eastern these days in the NBA.

  70. alleykat69 said, on December 28, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    Not surprised MLB Network had a grim report on the Giants roster Zumie,especially when they found out they still use a abacus in their scouting department..

  71. zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    Celtics battled back.

    • Macdog said, on December 28, 2017 at 7:38 pm

      And won.

    • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 7:39 pm

      Harden lost his composure at the end.

  72. zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    Pure torture: the Adidas “we’re creators” commercial. It’s a commercial to be hated for a lot of reasons, but it’s also really long.

    • zumiee said, on December 28, 2017 at 8:16 pm

      I don’t know who a lot of the people in the commercial are, and why would I care?
      And fashion? If we’ve learned one thing about fashion, it’s that, if you dress very strictly to a current fashion, it will look dated and ridiculous in photos years later.

  73. willedav said, on December 29, 2017 at 7:48 am

    Horned Frogs fun to watch, good game. Saw they have40 wins in last 4 yrs., way more than any other team in entire state of Texas. Not good showing for Pac 12 post season so far.

    Ramos/Hamilton…by the time Ramos is ready for ml ball in few years, Hamilton could be out of the league. Next Michael Bourn, one time threat that just couldn’t hit well enough to survive.

  74. willedav said, on December 29, 2017 at 8:02 am

    “You can’t have 2 officials in a professional game” said J Harden, who shot his usual 15 FTs, afterward. What? The game was officiated like that forever.
    You tell HS kids to adjust to whatever is/isn’t being called—hand checks, reaches, inside stuff. Just play. He can really shoot and score, but I can’t stand him.

  75. alleykat69 said, on December 29, 2017 at 10:03 am

    B/R on Melancon
    Sue Angulano tweets: All I want for Christmas is you traded!
    Melancon tweets back:I’m not sorry you didn’t get your wish,but I do hope the rest of your day was filled with cheer and love:)
    93 days until opening day!

  76. zumiee said, on December 29, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Wade Davis signed with the Rockies. Nice signing for them. The NL West is very tough.

    • xoot said, on December 29, 2017 at 5:00 pm

      Passan tweet: Among Wade Davis, Jake McGee and Bryan Shaw, the Rockies now have guaranteed $106M to relief pitchers this winter. Add in Mike Dunn and Adam Ottavino, and they may have the most expensive bullpen in baseball history — upward of $50M this season.

  77. blade3colorado said, on December 30, 2017 at 1:31 am

    Cincy f*cked us when we traded Adam Duvall for POS pitcher, Mike Leake in 2015 for our stretch run and he face planted. Meanwhile, over the past two seasons, Duvall powered his way into the starting lineup. During this time he has smashed 64 home runs while driving in a total of 202.

    Now Booby, et.al., are about to bend over once again, when Cincy plucks our #1 rated prospect, Heliot Ramos for the hitless wonder, Billy Hamilton . . . At least that’s what the rumor mill is spewing out. Oh joy!

    Booby’s intellect is rivaled only by garden tools.

    • djloo27 said, on December 30, 2017 at 6:03 am

      I can’t see that one going down, Blade.
      I bet even Flavor wouldn’t support that deal…

  78. unca_chuck said, on December 30, 2017 at 6:02 am

    And he’s not even the sharpest tool in the shed.

  79. djloo27 said, on December 30, 2017 at 7:13 am

    How’s this for a paranoid thought:
    One of the Giant’s underlying reasons for obtaining Longoria was to have a convenient excuse to stay out of next year’s Manny Machado sweepstakes…

    • Macdog said, on December 30, 2017 at 8:23 am

      Whether sooner or later, he’s going to the Yanks.

      • djloo27 said, on December 30, 2017 at 8:31 am

        I don’t think it’s a given, Mac, although you are usually right. Not so sure they want to spend a fortune on yet another righty bat and I don’t know where they’re at with the luxury tax…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 30, 2017 at 5:51 pm

      As conspiracy theories go, I would rate it fairly accurate, just behind Trump and the Russian hookers urinating on the bed Obama slept in while at a Moscow hotel.

  80. willedav said, on December 30, 2017 at 8:37 am

    Machado would be nice get for SF but doubt it happens. He could play SS and they could work on unloading Crawford who could rake in Camden Yards.
    I like Longo signing myself. I think he has few good years left and will be grateful not to have to be face of franchise and play in a ml yard that’s mostly full.

    Man Pac 12 taking a beating in college football bowl games.

  81. willedav said, on December 30, 2017 at 8:47 am

    Kinda funny, but that first Reds series vs. Giants Hamilton went ape shit and the Reds clobbered them. He was on base a lot and running wild and scoring runs. Unfortunately, as Brisbee pointed out, his numbers vs. everyone else sucked big time, less than .600 OPS. He’s just not much of a hitter.

    And remember guys hitting behind him were Cozart and his .900 OPS, Joey Votto, who is just one of best hitters on planet with over 1.000 OPS, and Duvall, who loves that bandbox yard. Scooter Gennett hit 27 HRs for them and they still lost 94 games.

  82. willedav said, on December 30, 2017 at 7:06 pm

    Warriors have 100 on Memphis (which has 87 of their own) with 4:36 left…in 3rd Q.

  83. Macdog said, on December 31, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    Here’s to a Happy Giants New Year in 2018 (because it can’t possibly be worse than 2017?).

  84. Flavor said, on January 1, 2018 at 7:57 am

    Happy New Year Flappers! See you in about a week!

  85. zumiee said, on January 1, 2018 at 8:43 am

    Giants pitchers and catchers report in about 44 days. The Giants still need to make some roster transactions, obviously. Here’s hoping they’ve got some nice surprises coming for us.

  86. zumiee said, on January 1, 2018 at 8:44 am

    Happy 2018 all!

  87. alleykat69 said, on January 1, 2018 at 10:53 am

    Happy New Years Flappers 🎉🍾🍺🥃🍷🍻
    To a handful of NFL coaches getting the axe maybe not as much..

  88. zumiee said, on January 1, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    Oklahoma has never played Georgia in football before? How is that possible?

  89. snarkk said, on January 1, 2018 at 2:19 pm

    Frohe Neues Jahr Grusse aus Munchen zu allem Flappers!!!…

    • zumiee said, on January 1, 2018 at 2:37 pm

  90. alleykat69 said, on January 1, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    Rose Bowl game is epic!
    Dawgs 24 unanswered pts to take the lead 38-31 over Sooners..As Keith Jackson use to say “Woa Nellie” we got a barnburner going today..


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