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Brewers Shove All In

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 26, 2018

It’s great to see small market teams like the Brewers going for it like this. I wish more teams would try instead of kick back and let the rev sharing checks roll in. If it doesn’t work they can sell off their players at the deadline. There’s really no risk unless the new guys get hurt…..

The Giants are *going for it* in a different way. There’s definitely more risk. If they are floundering at the break it’s not like they can sell off their old parts. These guys are for keeps.

I happen to believe it’s not a huge risk because, barring a bunch of injuries and dirt bike accidents, I think we are looking at an 88 win team right now. They’re right there for a WC spot. I’ll take that…..

RIP Twinner

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  1. salty said, on January 26, 2018 at 6:49 am

    Hey all. Been awhile. I don’t see anything mentioned here. I read that Michael Scott/ twinfan passed away but haven’t seen anything online.

    • zumiee said, on January 26, 2018 at 7:12 am

      Where did you read that?

  2. salty said, on January 26, 2018 at 6:52 am

    word press should have an edit function…read on another blog but haven’t seen any obit. thanks.

  3. willedav said, on January 26, 2018 at 7:42 am

    Brewers signed Cain for 5 yrs/$80,right?. Trading him away to a team that has to pay him when he’s 36 won’t be easy unless they pick up some of $$$. That’s going to be tough division.

    Surprised no one has signed Darvish or Arrieta with ST only 3 weeks away.

    Since Bochy loves him some Gorkys, guess I’m resigned he sticks. Pence Cutch AJax Gorks Slater.
    Who beside Specs backs up IF?

    • zumiee said, on January 26, 2018 at 7:56 am


  4. Flavor said, on January 26, 2018 at 7:57 am

    I’d pump the breaks on the *twin’s dead* story line. He emails with a few guys but without an obit I’m not sure how it would get out that he’d passed away. Blade recently talked with him, maybe he can check in with him again. I’m sure that will be a fun email to get. “Dude, are you alive?”

    • blade3colorado said, on January 26, 2018 at 8:26 am

      Just saw this . . . Last response from Mike was on December 3rd. I responded back to him, but didn’t hear back. Craig, I’ll shoot him another email (sans the “Dude, are you alive line?”).

      Attitude wise, he was doing well when I exchanged emails with him. However, I went back and re-read his message – he indicated he can no longer walk. Additionally, he has a housekeeper and a cook for him and Merna.

  5. zumiee said, on January 26, 2018 at 8:42 am

    The Pence/Curry photo is likely either the Oracle Arena or the Warriors’ practice facility, and it appears that Pence has hand-delivered gourmet coffee to Curry.

    • snarkk said, on January 26, 2018 at 8:57 am

      Pence needs to produce this season. I don’t think I’m the only fan that needs to see more production, more time off the DL, and less time seeing him doing video crap hawking some diet or gourmet coffee. I know he hits the coffee hard before games — is that a PED (performance enhancing drink)? Maybe he should try NOT drinking a dozen cuppas before a game…

  6. unca_chuck said, on January 26, 2018 at 8:53 am

    Is that the mushroom coffee stomped on by Asian elephants?

  7. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 26, 2018 at 8:56 am

    Sort of surprised at the motivational phrase on a parking lot access door.

  8. salty said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:02 am

    Contacted the Lake Co coroner office who did confirm a Michael Ray Scott of Middleton, Ca died on Dec 31st.
    Sad day. But he fought and outlived a lot of expectations. Miss his acerbic, combative and often funny insights.

    • gianthead said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:24 am

      Cheers to the old-timer…

    • alleykat69 said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:56 am

      RIP Oracle you will be sorely missed by all the Flappers you verbally abused over the years! Still thoughts and prayers to Merna and family members..

    • sfsarge said, on January 26, 2018 at 11:36 am

      Sad day, wasn’t a party until twin was jumping on someone.

  9. gianthead said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:23 am

    Because the Brew Crew picked up Yelich and Cain…makes Santana available

    Beede straight up for Santana? Who here does that. I would in a heartbeat. Plays right and McCutch goes to left. Pence is the 4th OF.

    I would even dangle Schmardaramjam and see how many addl prospects Brewers would add to Santana. We can let Pence and McCutch depart and then we have an OF next year of potentially Austin Jackson/Duggar/Santana with Slater and Parker off the bench.

  10. alleykat69 said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:52 am

    Brewers still have a shitload of OF depth.
    Keon Broxton for Beede make it so, they need pitching we need a real Centerfielder with speed to burn..

    • gianthead said, on January 27, 2018 at 6:26 am

      Here here kat

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:59 am

    The Giants need pitching too. Broxton would be good defensively but a suckhole in the lineup. A Jackson/Broxton platoon might work I guess.

    • alleykat69 said, on January 26, 2018 at 10:36 am

      Yeah his obp sucks but he still has power 20 plus jacks 20 plus steals and his potential should get even better.And his contract his cheap..

      • gianthead said, on January 27, 2018 at 6:31 am

        I love cheap contracts…has speed and younger legs than Austin Jackson but Jackson would get lots of starts regardless. Having a Broxton than gives them room financially next year to put money on pitching and maybe work on trades for a slugger because we aint signing any as a free agent but pitchers will come to us…I always forget we have Shaw who may see the show by 2019 full time…

  12. xoot said, on January 26, 2018 at 10:57 am

    Speaking of elephants, “Slash, whose real name is Saul Hudson, . . . a trustee with the Greater Los Angeles Zoo Association, the zoo’s fundraising arm” publicly argued with Cher and Lily Tomlin at a Los Angeles City hearing the other day over the fate of an elephant in the LA Zoo. All LA’s a zoo.

    It’s gonna take some time to absorb the news about the talented Michael Scott. He was a couple years older than I am. He joined the war in Viet Nam; I didn’t.

  13. sandog said, on January 26, 2018 at 11:03 am

    Like many of you, I had mixed feelings about Twin. Gotta admit there was a significant stretch where I thought he absolutely poisoned the blog and I wished he would get banned. He did end up going away for a while, and when he returned there was less flame-throwing and arrogance coming from him and I enjoyed his presence a bit more.
    I’ll always appreciate that he sent me a computer years ago when I really needed an upgrade and money was tight. I used that computer for years and he even provided tech support over the phone getting it set up–which usually consisted of me handing the phone to my son or one of his friends who could understand what he was talking about!
    I was in the bay area not long after he gave me the computer (2010 maybe?) and I offered to take him to a game at ATT as a way of saying thank you. He was cool about it, but I couldn’t talk him into it.

    RIP TwinFan. You were one of a kind.

    • gianthead said, on January 27, 2018 at 6:35 am

      I believe that after you got your computer and I was in line to win another he accused me as being the same person as you (similar real names?) and trying to milk him for two computers…classic Twin crazy.

  14. gianthead said, on January 26, 2018 at 11:17 am

    Braxton from Brewers does make a lot of sense…

    “Broxton certainly has his warts, but the 27-year-old is controllable through the 2022 season and won’t even be arbitration-eligible until next offseason at the earliest (when he’s likely to be a Super Two player). In many regards, he fits the criteria of what the Giants are looking for in a minimum-salary center field option. He’s also out of minor league options, so if he’s not going to play a role on the Brewers in 2018, he figures to be traded.”

    Broxton for Stratton seems entirely even…Austin Jackson becomes the true 4th OF. Parker or Duggar as left-handed backup…of course I still like the idea of dumping Smardaramjam and adding in Santana to the deal. We would get out of too much salary going to Smardaramjam…probably spend some of it on a journeyman for a year and see how Beede/Blach perform for the year. Use then the nearly $75 mill or so in 2019 on arms to go with a young OF of Broxton/Santana/Duggar/Slater.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 26, 2018 at 1:02 pm

      I’d keep Stratton over Blach. Don’t know why anyone would even want Parker (who sucks).

  15. Macdog said, on January 26, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    Engelb, we hardly knew you . . . or maybe not?

  16. djloo27 said, on January 26, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    R.I.P. Twin…

  17. unca_chuck said, on January 26, 2018 at 2:09 pm

    Yeah, Twin was pretty awful when he was bad, and we certainly had our dustups. And he regularly caused shit and disavowed his incendiary comments as he was retaliated against, but he was a true original and he taught me a lot about the game and even being a fan. His struggles were many and endless but he loved his family (and his pets) to no end, and he will be missed.

    R.I.P. Michael Scott.

  18. xoot said, on January 26, 2018 at 2:27 pm

    does this link work here? Pretty interesting piece.

  19. snarkk said, on January 26, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    A tip of my SF Giants cap to Oracle. RIP…

  20. pawliekokonuts said, on January 26, 2018 at 3:41 pm

    Rest in peace, Michael Scott. What was his favorite putdown, fucktard? Fuckwad? I talked to him just after he got burned out of his home (2015?). He was affable, cordial, even docile.

  21. Flavor said, on January 26, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    Back in November, Twin sent me an email asking me to call him. I didn’t get to it right away, I was busy and to be honest it is difficult to talk to him, his speech is slurred and he’s hard to understand. So it wasn’t a priority for me. About 5 days later he sent me an email basically calling me an asshole for not calling him right back. Not appreciating this attitude I fired back an email basically telling him to go fuck himself.
    He responded with an email that just said “GOODBYE” in the subject line. Nothing in the body.
    I guess he died at the end of December…..
    I’ve thought about him all day and I haven’t formulated any real thoughts or even feelings about his passing. I guess that will come in time. Obviously now I do regret not calling him….

  22. zumiee said, on January 26, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    Very sad news about Michael, who I’ll always think of as TF. A very complex guy, but then aren’t we all. My favorite times interacting with him on the blog were actually the non-baseball things, like progressive politics, or movies or TV shows, like Breaking Bad. He seemed genuinely moved that I had bought and read a book on broadcasting history that included a lot of quotes from his father. It’s an awesome thing that he and all of us got to experience the 3 three championships. And two of his favorites, Renteria and Ishi, hit two of the biggest HRs in SF Giants history. I’m sure it brought him a lot of happiness.
    He scorched me a few times over some issues, and those aren’t good memories; but he also challenged me to know my stuff better regarding baseball. When I first joined the Splash, not only did I not know what OPS was, I had never even heard of it. I’m still behind the curve SABR-wise, but I’ve learned a lot from TF and others over the years about baseball from the Splash first, then the Flap. I thought I already knew a lot about baseball, but sort of didn’t in retrospect.
    As I’ve heard several Flappers say over the years, it would have been nice to actually meet him in person, and maybe go to a ballgame with him, just to see what he was like in real 3-D life. When he gave out the phone number to a hospital room that one particular time several years ago, I called several times, but each time I called he happened to be out of his room being tested in another room, so I never got to speak to him over the phone. I really wanted to do that. And then later on, he wasn’t hanging out at the Flap as much anymore. I think he actually liked being on a blog, like the Merc blog, that had trolls on it. No one could scorch trolls like TF. For some reason, he seemed to get a kick out of doing that.

    • djloo27 said, on January 26, 2018 at 4:10 pm

      Zum: Regarding the last couple lines of your post, I always thought Twin provoked people and started stuff just to amuse himself and keep his mind sharp. I assumed he was mostly housebound for years and had to relieve some boredom…

      • zumiee said, on January 26, 2018 at 4:25 pm

        Yeah, that seems very likely. And as various people pointed out over the years, the times when he was at his most aggressive on the blog usually meant that he was in better health at that time. If he was feeling good, then he was in “go mode.”

  23. zumiee said, on January 26, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    One thing that I found kind of mystifying about TF was that he waited so long to tell us that he was married. He would tell stories that he was dating an ex-stripper or something, and it sounded believable.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on January 26, 2018 at 3:54 pm

      personally? thoroughly believable for myself

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 26, 2018 at 8:53 pm

      I remember that too. He seemed quite embarrassed about it for some reason. I remember thinking it was odd as at that time none (or very few) of us had met in person and online personas are…just that, personas. It seems to me that the flapapolozzaas and other meet ups have helped keep a cordial element at the Flap

      • djloo27 said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:19 pm

        For a while he claimed to have had 5 marriages. You’re right, Dirt, he did admit to feeling bad about saying that later on. I think he may have felt it was somehow disrespectful to Merna, even though it was just blog nonsense. Only a serious lunatic would masquerade as a midget…

  24. zumiee said, on January 26, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    TF never quite got his ultimate dream on a baseball blog, which was to have the technology available to be able to click on someone’s post that he felt was inferior and drag the quote into a Room B. That was his real vision for a Room B. That’s just so wrong it’s making me laugh just thinking of it.

    • sfsarge said, on January 26, 2018 at 4:49 pm

      It’s wrong but so funny

  25. Flavor said, on January 26, 2018 at 4:43 pm

    I think he also got especially surly when he wasn’t feeling well. I guess I’d be pissed off all the time too if I had to deal with all the physical problems he had.

    • djloo27 said, on January 26, 2018 at 5:00 pm

      I’ve been told that people typically survive 18 months after a brain tumor is diagnosed.
      Twin must’ve lived close to 10 years from when it started…

  26. djloo27 said, on January 26, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    In the early says of the Splash and I’m a little foggy on this, I believe Twin’s daughter and /or son-in-law would occasionally post. A guy named “Hawk” especially hated Twin and would write the most vile things you could imagine.

    • Flavor said, on January 26, 2018 at 5:26 pm

      that’s true. The SIL was a big defender of Twin’s, I can’t remember his name right now. His daughter ended up breaking up with or divorcing that guy and then she had a falling out with Twin too. The last time I spoke with him in depth, maybe 4 years ago or so, they hadn’t reconciled.

      • djloo27 said, on January 26, 2018 at 5:37 pm

        I think her name was Lisa?

      • Flavor said, on January 26, 2018 at 5:57 pm


  27. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 26, 2018 at 5:50 pm

    Like the rest of you, I’ve been thinking about Twin a lot today. He and I exchanged emails a couple of times. Mostly we chatted about restaurants (I owned one in Long Beach back in another life) and recipes and whatnot. he was somewhat shocked, for some reason, that I knew anything about the restaurant industry and cooking.

    I remember shooting him a note after Belt’s late inning HR against the Nats in 2014. He was really surprised and appreciative in his response. I guess he was just like all of us here are with the people we interact with regularly-sometimes an asshole, sometimes aloof, other times incredibly nice and generous.

    I’ve spent some of my free moments this afternoon looking for a post of his at the old blogspot that always stuck with me. It was sometime around August of 2010 and he went on this diatribe about how we’re all morons and should be in room B but he ended the post with some really poetic statements about being a fan, hoping for the best outcomes for you team and the beauty of the game…I wish I could find it. It’s how I’ll choose to remember him.

    Godspeed, Michael. RIP

    • Flavor said, on January 26, 2018 at 6:01 pm

      well said. Not sure if this is it, there is a lot of solid gold in the Flap HOF in the link to the right…
      twinfan1 said, on October 3, 2014 at 8:37 am(Edit)
      I wrote this yesterday, it seems in line with the tenor of this mornings comments. BTW, Steve and Paul- where may I find your Fountain of Youth, you guys look great…

      “We’ve all come about our love for baseball in our own ways. I loved it as a boy and playing it made it even better. Then for many years it was a sometime diversion as my work took 12-16 hours of my day. I had season tickets for over 3 decades but my friends and customers went more than I did. Baseball as the National Pastime is a thing of the past- life is faster now, so much is available with a click and a tweet. I liken baseball to the foods of the Shaker women- the cuisine was in their heads and hearts, not put to paper. It was up to the food historians and writers like Ronald Johnson to find what was in their hearts and preserve it for today. And so it is up to those of us who remember the game of our youth, to pass along to a new generation the joy of baseball when it was the game that little boys dreamt of, when small towns were abuzz as the World Series approached and *everyone* wanted to see the powerful Yanks humbled.
      Which brings me to today. I rediscovered the game when I grew older and my health deteriorated. I became a NUT, a FANBOY-and miraculously became a young boy again. I often dream of the game, I remember the players of my youth in Pittsburgh. For years I had remembered what we now call a “walk off”. A player named Johnny Powers hit one of his few home runs into the teeth of a strong wind and raised his arms high into the air as he soaked in the cheers. It wasn’t until many years later that I found out that it wasn’t Powers, it was Bob Skinner. And then I realized that it didn’t matter, what mattered was that it made me recall what the game once was and why I loved it as a boy and now again in my older years. It slows life down, it’s a game that you can savor as you savor a fine wine or a walk in the woods, a doze in a hammock, it’s a game that makes us realize that life is to be enjoyed slowly -as it passes by all too soon.”

  28. willedav said, on January 26, 2018 at 6:16 pm

    It’s too bad no one knew of his passing earlier. We might have been able to lend support to family/friends of his.
    Today is a good retrospective, as usual.

    He was regular over at Bagg’s blog on SJ merc news after he wandered away from here, usually called by others “The Chef”, and continued blasting away. And there were a few obnoxious trolls among the serious fans there until it got scuttled.

  29. wilcojoe said, on January 26, 2018 at 6:40 pm

    I have hoped for the better part of the evening that Twin would pop up in a post stating the famous Mark Twain line, “the rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.” Sadly, I don’t see that happening.

    There is not much that I can add that hasn’t already been said. Zumie’s ealier post was so touching, that I could only think how much those words would have meant to Twin had he still been here to read them. Same goes for Flav’s and others already posted and more still to come, I’am sure. I can only hope that he took one of his hand built computers to wherever he may exist right now and is reading along with us. Godspeed Twinner.

  30. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on January 26, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    Funny how sometimes you come into contact with someone, even for years on end like here at the Flap, and you never even meet them and yet you feel like you are old friends. Sometimes also like old enemies. Nice thoughtful posts here, I certainly have nothing unique or overly touching to add about Michael that hasn’t been said. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. In my very early days on the old Splash, I remember feeling warm and happy when Michael would jump in and validate one of my posts, which always felt like getting an “excellent paper!” comment from a respected professor or some such. Also remember much later a very testy exchange he and I had via email during the Boston marathon bombing event (disagreements about how the police response had been conducted, etc., of all stupid things). Michael, you will be missed. I move that the Flap retire his number forever.

  31. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on January 26, 2018 at 8:40 pm

    The great Scott McClain Bat Incident will always be remembered as being a) absolutely brutal but also b) very entertaining….

  32. blade3colorado said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    I’m still processing Mike no longer being with us . . .

    Similar to Paul, I always felt affirmation when he would echo something I said and/or voice approval. Weird, because I’ve never needed or sought approval from anyone, other than my parents. More weird, because like everyone else here, I never met Mike in person . . . That being said, I’ve spoken with him on the phone at least a dozen times and exchanged 3 times that many emails with him. I guess my “awe” (?) probably had more to do with his baseball knowledge and aggressive manner versus anything else I can cite.

    Similar to Sandog, I also wanted Twin banned on more than a few occasions. I sent Flavor numerous emails asking for same or how to deal with Twin’s belligerence. I apologise to you Craig for listening patiently to my complaints – it couldn’t have been easy for you, living your own life, writing a blog, and also have to referee the blog as well . . . It took me over a year or more, to finally not tolerate his BS and respond in kind a la snarkk and Unca. LOL.

    Ironically, it was my first phone call with Twin that made me recognize that he’s just a person like anyone else . . . Actually, it sort of ruined the myth I had created for him . . . You would only know this if you spoke with him. First, he is very polite. Nothing like his internet personna, albeit, occasionally impatient. Most important though, is his voice – it is very squeeky. I mean very, very squeeky.

    Let me be clear though – Mike was a good guy. I can only imagine how difficult it was for him to be almost invalid and in constant physical pain. No one does that with much grace, right? Mike was certainly provocative and kept everyone on their toes. Hard to pin my finger on it or articulate this – but he definitely impacted and improved the Flap by his insightful comments. It made everyone else more thoughtful in turn. I will miss him . . . RIP

  33. blade3colorado said, on January 26, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    Here’s the last message I received from Mike on December 3rd . . .

    Hi Steve,

    We have been gong through some tough times, slowly recovering from surgery and I am unable to walk anymore. Good news, Merna and I are are still in our home and we have lovely people that are taking good care of us– the gal can cook and the gentleman can clean. As always, we will get through this.
    Anyway, I hope you and your wonderful family are doing well in Vietnam and that you have a safe trip back to the U.S. for the holidays.
    I am with you on Stanton… my best Michael *:) happy

  34. James said, on January 26, 2018 at 11:05 pm

    I don’t remember what motivated me, but one day during the 08 season, I read through the Splash for the first time. My interest in the post-Bonds team was pretty low, so maybe I was looking for some other reason to pay attention. My first hesitant post came a few weeks later. It was a late night response to some typically arrogant, very well-written bullshit TF had posted. The first thing I did the next morning in the middle of the work week was to check the Splash for his reply. There it was, more wrongheaded bullshit that I simply had to answer, even if it meant being late for work. After hitting submit, a few minutes later, there was his response. It started “Good morning, bjames.”


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