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The Aged

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 10, 2018

Buster Posey is turning 31 this year. Pence is turning 35. Richard Sherman is turning 30. All those guys seem, to me, like they should be a lot older. I barely even remember what the Giants were like before Posey. I think we used to argue a lot about Big Titties Molina. Pence hasn’t been here as long but he feels like he’s been in the league since the 90’s. Sherman is someone I’m excited about. If we get him. I love old school moves like your hated rival joining your team. Even if he’s on the back end of his career I think the Niners could really use his attitude and aura in the secondary.

Anyway, Posey got a cortisone shot in his ankle. Hope that helps. Pence can’t seem to play in the outfield anymore. That’s going to be a problem in the NL.


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  1. willedav said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:17 am

    Reggie Smith…did not know he went to Centennial HS in Compton.
    Reggie Sanders too, guy I really wished SF could have kept. Btw he made $1.75 mil for them in 2002.

  2. sfsarge said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:18 am

    I used to really have a strong dislike for Richard Sherman and his professional wrestling antics, until he started calling out Goodell and the NFL for their BS. I would love to see him in the Niners secondary, seems like a great fit.

    Haven’t seen or heard much about spring training, I’ve been really busy the last couple of weeks. Although from what I read here sounds like Pence is toast. If they are serious about improving, he’s got to go. (Captain Obvious strikes again). This will be the test of whether or not they actually want to get better as a team or are they just paying lip service.

    Happy Saturday Flappers! Headed to Italy in a couple of days, any suggestions? This will be my first international trip that wasn’t courtesy of the US Army.

    • willedav said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:30 am

      money belt or neck pouch to protect your stuff, especially in touristy areas. If you are moving around city to city, small a bag as possible (ideally overhead size 22″/56 cm) for trains cabs etc. From where I work, popular destination spot. They’ve also had lot of rain and cold weather lately; it actually snowed in Rome not long ago and Chron showed pictures of Colosseum in snow. enjoy!

      • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:47 am

        agreed. Quick story about getting off the train somewhere in Italy back in the late 80’s: I told my girlfriend at the time (Dawn) when we get off the train a bunch of homeless kids are going to come up to you and try to offer you a game. They’ll stick a flat cardboard over your purse and try to dazzle you with some stupid card game. While that is happening they will rifle through your purse and steal all your shit and run away. She said “I’m good, I won’t let it happen to me.” We get off the train and she’s about 10 feet in front of me and shit is crazy and before she knows it, literally in 10 seconds, she gets robbed. I run after this fucking kid screaming at him, he throws her passport back at me but keeps her wallet and he disappears into the streets.
        Epic tale.

      • djloo27 said, on March 10, 2018 at 5:29 pm

        Dumber than a mid summer’s morn’…

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:47 am

      A few suggestions Sarge regarding Italy . . . I hope you have Florence on your itinerary. it’s a “walking city” like San Francisco. You wont need a cab, buses, etc., to get around. You have to see the real statue of David (as there are about a half a dozen in the world, 3-4 in Florence alone. I also enjoyed Lucca. Go there versus Pisa or Siena. Rome was okay, and I did see the Pope, albeit, I was figuratively in the “nose bleed” standing room only section. Ha.

      Anywho, have fun and if you want tips on specifics (restaurants, tourists sites, hotels, etc.), I have a number of blog posts here . . . https://aroundtheworldwithblade.wordpress.com/category/italy-and-france-april-21st-through-may-14th-2013/


      • sfsarge said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:16 am

        Craig, appreciate that story, I’m trying to tell my wife that everyone tells me to be wary of pick pockets. She typically likes to carry a lot of cash when we travel. I’ll tell her about that one.

        Thanks Blade! Yes, we have Rome, Amalfi coast (Minori), and Florence on our itinerary. I bought one of those antitheft backpacks with the hidden zippers and the tough nylon that’s hard to cut.

      • snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 11:57 am

        Florence, check out Vivoli’s gelato…

  3. willedav said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:25 am

    I’m skeptical of automatically downgrading a player’s value based solely on their age. F/G had a column of numbers on 30 yr old players that showed more precipitous decline didn’t really happen until they hit 33-34.

    Obviously with lot of teams no longer interested in contending and more content to play the kids and save the $$$, there are a lot fewer guys around at that age today. Guys I mentioned in previous post could still hit and provide nice value, esp for contending teams. Remains to be seen if Pence is still in that category, but I think SF is trying to get blood out of a turnip. Guy I respected a lot used to use that phrase and tell me, “Willie squeeze all you want all you get is turnip juice.”

  4. blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:38 am

    Posey got 3 hits yesterday, but it was revealed that he also had a cortisone shot. He’s been an “Ironman” since his injury in 2011, but he started at catcher in 99 games last year, a personal low for him. The power has completely disappeared. This is an obvious guess – I think Posey will noticeably be worse this season.

    I think the prognosticators also have Cutch’s bomb total all wrong. His total of 28 last season was due in large part
    to 1 three-homer game and 3 two-homer games. I am thinking no more than 15-18 bombs next season, with the Phone Park suppressing his total (and everyone else’s).

    Pence can’t play anymore. Period. Yet he will play due to his contract. Ugh.

    It’s only spring training, but I am pleasantly surprised by Ty Blach. He’s thrown 8⅓ innings this spring, striking out nine without a walk. He only has 1 earned run. Last season he had the worst strikeout rate in MLB. I’m also coming around to Chris Strattion, who’s pitched 8 innings, with 2 runs allowed, and 11 strikeouts. Nice.

    • sandog said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:58 am

      Blade—you obviously are super down on the direction of the team and I know you think its time for the tear-down. How many games do you see this team winning this year? By the tone of your posts, you gotta have us in the neighborhood of 70 wins. Am I wrong?

      • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:08 am

        Do me a favor ‘dog . . . Read this article first and understand why I believe the Giants have a daunting task of being a .500 team, much less a Wild Card entry.


        After you read it, you may understand a bit more of why I am pessimistic about the Giants chances. Consequently, putting a number on their win total is difficult. However, I will for “shit and giggles.” I am thinking 75 wins at most. I will tighten up that number after the end of May (and you can ask me again), i.e., their mettle and worth will be shown in the first half – the toughest part of the schedule.

      • sandog said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:16 am

        Thanks man—I’m heading out the door, but I will check all that out. I got us at 87 wins, but I do think its possible the bottom could fall out and we’re in the 70’s. The part where I disagree with you is I think we simply had no choice but to try to add a couple of pieces and hope for a wild card run. Too many contracts nobody wants to take on with too many no trade clauses built in to those contracts. And a totally barren farm system as well.
        Lets try to get some blood from this turnip in the next year or two, restock the farm system in the meantime and do a proper rebuild in a few years.

      • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:19 am

        disagree with this article. First of all, the Giants usually play worse against the bad teams, lol. Secondly, you have to assume the first part of the season will be when they are most healthy. So, they’ll probably be playing at their peak. Injuries will derail this team not the schedule…..

      • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:20 am

        De nada ‘dog . . . I’ll still be rooting for them. Equally important, I hope I am wrong.

  5. wilcojoe said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:04 am

    Hey Flav, you should audition for the role of Tony Soprano’s dad in the new prequel movie they are doing about The Sopranos? The resemblance between yourself and Johnny Boy Soprano is uncanny.

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:15 am

      lol. I’ve never seen an episode of the Sopranos but I’ll check this dude out

  6. willedav said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:22 am

    Realize it’s a while ago but went back and looked up numbers on 2 Reggies.

    Smith, who had .834 OPS for SF at 37 yrs old, had 3 years around .900 OPS with LA when he was 32-35.
    Sanders from 2001-05 at 33+ worst season was .779 OPS and went up as high as .900.
    These guys could still hit ml pitching even if they had slowed down defensively.

    Saw something on Yahoo that said scouts not impressed with Ohtani as a hitter. Article compared him to HS hitter in re his experience vs. J-league level pitching and thought he needed 500 ABs worth of seasoning to correct flaws and adjust in minors to be able to handle ml pitching. Which of course ain’t gonna happen and they were skeptical that only given spot starts as DH around when he pitches he’d be forced to learn vs. ml pitching.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:29 am

      . . . and he hasn’t impressed (to date) as a pitcher either. Fastball is slower than advertised and flat. His slider looked good, but “plenty of hangers” is what I read. I mean come on, he got pasted by the Tijuana Toros on Friday. Whoever the fuck they are. LOL

  7. unca_chuck said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:24 am

    Things need to go really right (no injuries, no extended slumps) to be anywhere over .500. And they need to get rid of Pence to have that small chance.

  8. blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:33 am

    Not certain, but besides me, I think Loo and possibly James, are the only Flappers who think the Giants will face plant this season. I apologize to both if that’s not their opinion.

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:36 am

      Seems to me, a guy calling for a “faceplant” wouldn’t hedge with 75 wins and then a redo on the prediction in May. Just come in with your 60s win total and stand by it

      • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:43 am

        Hedge with 75? You think that’s good? I have never said they will win in the “60s,” or at least I don’t recall it. Moreover, as I said above – putting a number on their mediocrity is difficult and something only the writer prognosticators do for article “clicks.” I do think they will be better than they were last season Flav, but no where near a Wild Card.

    • djloo27 said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:50 pm

      The Giants suck.and will continue to suck for some time.
      This is the dark ages…

  9. willedav said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:40 am

    Blade’s around the world blog is tremendous travel resource and a great read, filled with wonderful photos and the no nonsense straight shooting style sans agenda you expect from him as recounts his daily activities and getting from point A to point B. Highly recommended. One of the joys of my job is talking to frequent travelers and hearing their experiences and recommendations from points around the world.

    Aside @Blade—my friends who toured SE Asia thought Luang Prabang in Laos was highlight of their trip, thanks for your insights. Their next big adventure abroad will be to Morocco. I remember your wonderful reports and photos from Istanbul…did you ever get to visit N Africa?

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:48 am

      No Willie. I wish I could have before all the Middle East crap occurred. What’s neat about Morocco is that the influence they had in Europe, especially in Spain. The Moors culture is prevalent in Cordova, Seville, and Salamanca (one of my favorite cities in the world and where my grandfather started his journey to Ellis island in 1921).

      Thank you for the compliment!

  10. Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:49 am

    Blade– then we just disagree on the definition of “faceplant.” You’re predicting they win 11 more games than they did last year, lol. Your tone is consistently negative, I don’t think it was a stretch for me to think you saying “faceplant” is related to a win total in the 60’s, not a tepid *75* with a freaking re-do on the prediction in May

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:54 am

      Agreed on faceplant definition. Hey, I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing. I’m pessimistic on the entire roster. What happened last season and the last half of the season before wasn’t a mirage in my opinion. They have absolutely stunk for 1.5 seasons. Two additions on the downside of their careers and one reliever (Watson) isn’t going to change my opinion that much.

      • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 9:00 am

        agree on the last 1.5 seasons. Disagree on your last sentence. I also think the BP will be much better without the tired voice of Raggs and the bad luck that hit Bum and Cueto won’t be there. Also, I know I’m banking on health and luck is a big part of that. I’m sticking with 88 wins from the get go

  11. blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 9:08 am

    That is a 24 game plus improvement versus my 11 game plus improvement. Again – I hope you are right Flav and I am wrong. I will be ecstatic and obviously surprised if you’re right. I will also bow to your prescient prognostication ability! 🙂

  12. Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 9:13 am

    Blade let me ask you something. In your vocabulary what word is worse than a face plant?

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 9:31 am

      I use the verb a lot because I’m a lifelong skier and it’s probably used more with skiers and snowboarders than any other activity/sport (with the possible exception of motocross and skateboarding).

      Dunno, maybe facepalm . . .

      • unca_chuck said, on March 10, 2018 at 10:29 am

        Ha ha, Blade! I preferred ‘yard sale’!

      • Lurker John said, on March 10, 2018 at 11:18 am

        Another skiing term. lol

  13. Lurker John said, on March 10, 2018 at 10:56 am

    Big Titty was a fine Giant.

  14. Lurker John said, on March 10, 2018 at 11:02 am

    Sherman’s problem is that his achilles injury will probably preclude him from being in top form this coming season. Those are usually an 18 month affair. Not a good injury for a CB. So, you’re looking at 2019 and a 31-32 year old corner. My opinion, the Niners don’t sign him. He may well return to Seattle for less money.

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 12:22 pm

      that’s a good point. A reconstructed achilles is probably not what you want for your 30 year old cornerback

  15. James said, on March 10, 2018 at 11:21 am

    No Moore and Cain in the rotation could very reasonably save 45 runs (this assumes their replacements can deliver ERAs in the mid 4s), a full season of Bum, a moderately better Cueto, slightly better bullpen, and improved defense saves another 50 runs. Let’s say SF gives up 100 fewer runs next year, which gets us a total of 676.

    Assume Longoria and McCutcheon add 20 runs with roughly the same productivity in 2018 (don’t forget that Span and Nunez had 850 PAs between them with OPS’s higher than Longoria last year) . A 750 OPS for Crawford, a full season of Belt at 820 adds another 20. Panik, Posey repeat 2017 productivity. The bench and Jackson add another 10. That’s 50 added runs for a total of 690.

    Subtract a few ERs and add a few more runs scored, and you get 700 runs scored and 660 allowed. That projects to 85 or 86 wins.

    The above isn’t the craziest scenario, and it makes going into the season a lot more interesting for all of us. It still seems pretty unlikely to me. As Flavor et al have mentioned more than once, there will be injuries and other disappointments. 75-80 wins seems about right. An even lower win total than 75 seems as probable to me as the 86 Ws.

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 12:13 pm

      good call on the minus Moore/Cain factor.

  16. James said, on March 10, 2018 at 11:37 am

    Sarge, my advice is the standard “don’t try to do too much.” Narrow the geographic range of where you go in Italy as much as you can stand to. Give each location its due. And try to add a less well known spot or two to the itinerary, even if it means sacrificing a “must see.” Blade’s suggestion of Lucca was a good one. Personally, I’d either spend time in Rome and then head South/SE or North, but not both. But I’ve been there several times, so easy for me to say . . . .

  17. snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 12:08 pm

    blade, the older Snarkette just finished a semester at Univ of Salamanca, all classes in Spanish. She’s still in Spain working / interning for a couple of NGOs, one in Madrid the last two months, and another upcoming in Barcelona ’til June. She loved Salamanca. She’s been to a bunch of places — Bilbao, Pamplona, Santander, San Sebastian, Sevilla, Toledo, Granada and a few more — she said Salamanca was the best. She is just now “taking a break”, and landed today in Ireland for a 3-week self tour of Ireland, Scotland and England. First tourist stop in Dublin — James Joyce museum, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, any number of historical sites? No. The Guiness Brewery. And, she sent me a great pic of the end tour pint of Guinness that you get to fill yourself out of the tap. Looked like a great “pour”. She’s been brought up right…

    • James said, on March 10, 2018 at 12:26 pm

      Can’t remember if I previously described our one evening in Salamanca, which is noted for its awesome central square. In the early evening, we settled in to a cafe on the square, ordered our wine, and expected the usual promenade. Except it never arrived. A complete ghost town. We found out later that evening that Spain’s fútbol team had lost a major match with Portugal for the first time in dozens of years. The entire country was stricken. The cooks did show up to make a great dinner at the restaurant we had reservations at.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:42 pm

      What a wonderful experience for your daughter! What did she think of Madrid? I was disappointed because all of the “old world” buildings were destroyed in the 1930s civil war. By the by, I was there immediately following Franco’s death . . . Everyone was so happy about his death and almost immediately, the King approved numerous freedoms and rights that were never allowed during the Franco dictatorship.

      Also, good choice regarding Vivoli’s gelato, except for one small disappointment – no cones! They were the only gelato joint in Florence which didn’t have cones.

  18. Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    this pic cracked me up. The dudes in the back look amused,

  19. snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    I’ve had a bit of time to look back on the Giants game I saw in Peoria the other night, and here are my top 10 takeaways. Admittedly, I saw virtually none of the expected position starters, but that’s actually OK, I know what they can or are supposed to do. It was interesting to see the younger guys in person, also Cueto. And, this is a one game parachute-in opinion, but I’ve seen enough baseball to get a quick view on players:

    1. Parker. No way. Guy is so nervy at the plate, I don’t see how he hits anything. When he connects, it jumps off his bat. But, that’s not often. Release or trade for a bag o’ balls. He ends up in Sac off of waivers, he’s out of options. Maybe somebody claims him that has a worse outfield situation than the Giants. That’s a limited group.

    2. Duggar. I’m torn. The guy can play CF, no question. He made a running catch to his left on a frozen rope to right center that was sweet, had a great break. But, I can see where they might want to start him in Sac to get in 100 ABs or so and work on hitting down below, while Pence proves he can’t play. But, his swing looks compact, and he looks the part. Just a matter of time if they start him in Sac. I really don’t see why Blanco should take many appearances away from this kid. If he ramps up his hitting the next two weeks against more realistic pitching before ST ends, I say bring him on the 25 — as long as he gets regular playing time, maybe majority of it over Jackson. Hell, if he can play CF, and he can, he can play LF, too.

    3. Shaw. Only saw one AB, and he made a nice catch in LF. Guy is a specimen, I can see that he’s going to have some real pop as he develops. Do not use this kid for trade bait. They have him in LF now, but I could see down the road, he could take over 1st if they want to deal Belt at some point. Start him in Sac, but depending on what happens to Pence early on, keep him warm and ready down there.

    4. Specs. If this kid doesn’t make the 25, it’s a crime. Two ABs were classic. Worked the count, fought off some tough pitches into fouls. Then one punch hit to RF, then the other AB another punch hit into RF on a hit and run play, where the 2nd baseman vacated to go cover 2nd. The kid is clutch, smart, and he can play any IF position in a pinch for a few games.

    5. Cueto. Looked good to me.

    6. Holland. Impressive 3 innings. Based only on that, I’d keep him somewhere on the staff — is there such a thing as a LHP long man?.

    7. Okert. Meh. Fastball looked lazy, lots of breaking stuff, inconsistent. Got guys out, but just didn’t look good enough. Definitely on the bubble.

    8. Trevor Brown. Guy hit two frozen ropes for doubles. Looks improved defensively. Don’t know if there’s anyway he makes this team unless Buster is actually hurt. But, I’d take him over Hector, easily, as the guy in Sac to be ready for fill in duty, or backup when Hundley leaves.

    9. Fernandez. This is the Rule 5 kid from he Rockies. Guy throws gas, and had good command of the 99 mph gas. It’s cool hearing the “pop” of that kind of gas in the catcher’s mitt in a small park. Not so much command on a couple of secondary pitches, and that’s his MO. He has to stick on the 25 or he goes back to the Rockies. Shocking if he sticks, but boy that gas looked impressive.

    10. Is Melancon still in Scottsdale?

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 1:43 pm

      GREAT rundown. Question: I know you don’t want to think about this happening, but Blanco is probably on the team this year. How did he look? Speed still there?

      • snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 2:11 pm

        He didn’t play in the game I saw. The other Blanco did.
        If Gregor did play, I probably blocked that out.
        As far as I know, Gregor hasn’t played a lot, which tells me he’s on the team, since I haven’t heard he’s hurt. Same with Pablo, he doesn’t seem to be playing a lot, which tells me he’s a lock, which I don’t understand.
        But, I’m wondering if any of the Blanco/Panda stuff has to do with keeping a stronger Latin presence in the clubhouse. Cueto mentioned that as lacking last year, and Cueto is making a lot of money, and needs to be happy as the #2 starter. There’s something to be said for getting this clubhouse energized. Last year it was dead as a door nail…

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 1:43 pm

      also, I’m excited about Shaw, too. DO NOT TRADE THIS GUY!!!!!

  20. Lurker John said, on March 10, 2018 at 12:57 pm

    That’s awesome.

    • Lurker John said, on March 10, 2018 at 12:57 pm

      The helmet testing, that is.

  21. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 10, 2018 at 1:25 pm

    Krukow on the broadcast today talking like Duggar is on the club. I’d be surprised if that’s the case but the club took a similar risk with Crawford thinking his D would make up for shortcomings at the plate. Timing with younger players is tough. Some can rise to the level of competition and exceed expectations. Personally I’d rather see Shaw but cf is a big issue for the club.

    • snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 1:44 pm

      He doesn’t say shit on the radio re: club moves without some basis. So, that’s interesting. Duggar made another good D play in today’s game, and I think he has one hit so far…

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 10, 2018 at 2:15 pm

        That’s what I was thinking too. He went so far as to make the Crawford comparison and talked about the importance of not taking struggles at the plate onto the field. I guess it will give insight into the FO thinking if he makes it. think Sandoval is a lock and Mac too. So it comes down to Parker (who sucks)/Slater and Specs v Operation Dick Around.

  22. snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    I’m cautiously optimistic about the OF situation now. Having seen these two kids in person, Duggar and Shaw, at least one is going to be a player. If both turn out, the Giants are good to go in the OF for a while. The only issue would be RF for the long term. Duggar could play any of the OF positions, so if he turns out to be a hitter, that gives the FO a lot of flexibility in the future re: Cutch or some other option…

  23. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 10, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    Sarge, I highly recommend Florence. Pass on Milan if you’re considering it

  24. Macdog said, on March 10, 2018 at 1:58 pm

    Excellent reporting by Snarkk, both in-game and today’s follow-up. We could use more of this type of analysis from the beat guys.

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 2:23 pm

      absolutely, although I will say Baggs is pretty detailed with his articles on the Athletic. And Anthony Slater is fantastic with his in depth Warriors articles. Really impressed with him

  25. snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 2:31 pm

    I really think we need a 3 day Flapalooza in Phoenix for Spring Training. Now that I’ve been there a coupla times, it’s cool. Theoretically, you could see an afternoon Giants game in Scottsdale starting at 12:05, take a beer break, then go see an evening game with some teams you don’t know, but are interesting to see. The ST schedule weekdays is almost all day games, but at night there are generally two games somewhere in the Valley. Weekends are day games. If you see two Giants games, likely you’ll see a satisfying combo of starters and newbies and wannabes. They play more of the starters at home games in Scottsdale. I saw one game sans starters, but it was cool to see the other dudes trying to catch the few open spots, and the young hyped guys. The only thing is they jack up the hotel prices in ST. But, still, lot of fun for baseball geeks. And, plenty of watering holes all over the Valley and Scottsdale. I went to the Pads/Pale Hose game yesterday afternoon in Peoria, on a biz thing. Didn’t pay much attention to the game, but still, was nice outing. The Pads closer from Japan, Makita, is 33 or something, no previous US experience. Dude was a sidearmer to submariner, and just totally flummoxed the 3 White Sox hitters. He looks like he could be good for the Pads, at least ’til the League spreads the word and has current vid on what he’s throwing. Tons of restaurants and watering holes around that park. On a referral, I went over to Abuelo’s pretty much across the street from stadium. Awesome chile and spice rubbed grilled pork tenderloin. Two 16 oz 1800 margaritas at $8 each, that’s pretty good in Phoenix at a decent place. It was jammed with post-game folks. I talked some trash at the bar with a couple of gray-haired Pads fans, pretty good fun. Is it possible to talk trash with gray hairs? (I’m heading there, for sure). Tough job since the Pads owned the Giants last year, like everybody else. We shared the Dodger hate, that was agreed, plus some good talk re: Bochy. Flapalooza would be a gas down there…

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 4:52 pm

      i’m all over this. Let’s start planning it b4 the season ends. And depending on how many people come, my mom has a great house on the golf course at the Boulders with 2 separate attached in-law units that we could stay in (and 2 available bedrooms in the house). Golf for those interested. This is an idea that could gain some legs real quick.

      • snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 5:34 pm

        That is just beyond a fantastic idea. Mind bogglingly good.
        That would even give me a goal to pull out the sticks from hibernation and practice…

      • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 5:52 pm

        I’m 110% sure San Dawg would be in.

    • willedav said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:27 pm

      Sounds like fun. My company has couple stores down there Scottsdale and Chandler I think. Would be fun to see them, plus Flap guys and all the baseball. My godson goes every year to check out his Padres he might be down there too.

    • snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:15 pm

      The Salt River Fields/Talking Stick ballpark (Dbacks/Rocks) is awesome and is just down south the 101 from the Boulders, 1/2 hour in non-traffic. And, the Giants Scottsdale ballpark is just a little further south down the 101, hang a right onto Indian School to 75th, and you’re there. If you could put the Giants at home in Scottsdale and an away at Talking Stick within a 3-4 day stretch, that would be sweet…

  26. Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    Sherman is a 49er.

  27. zumiee said, on March 10, 2018 at 5:42 pm

    Thanks for the ST reports, Snarrk. Very cool!

    • snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 5:51 pm

      NP, zum. I enjoyed it. Got me into the game more, and watching the players more closely. There’s nothing like watching ball in a small venue, that’s why minor league ball is so fun. When it’s major leaguers playing in the small venue, it’s just pretty cool…

  28. zumiee said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:01 pm

    Pence got a hit today, and struck out three times. He raised his batting avg. to .105.

  29. Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    cool little tidbit from the article I’m reading right now about The Thrill:
    “After the Giants drafted me, I told Al Rosen, ‘Look, I want to be up front about this: I’m not going to hold out. I want to play baseball. That’s what I am,’” Clark said. “It took two weeks, maybe, they offered and we countered, and that was that. And I flew out to San Francisco, did the press conference and stuff, and I literally drove to (Class A) Fresno that night, played that night and hit two homers.

    “I hit a homer in my first minor league at-bat, too.”

    • snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:22 pm

      Unfortunately, I don’t see anybody like Will in any of these young guys right now. Giants need somebody or bodies to step up and put some badassery back into this squad…

      • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:56 pm

        well they have the second pick in the draft this coming June so giddyup, let’s find us another Thrill.

  30. alleykat69 said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:11 pm

    The caption on my TV screen from the Cactus League..Beede 2.1 IP,8H,6ER,K,O BB(Competing for Rotation Spot)Lqtm

    • Macdog said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:34 pm

      I guess he didn’t wake up today with much of a purpose — or a fastball.

      • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:54 pm

        Mac, in fairness to Beede, if I was married and waking up to Mrs. Beede each morning . . . umm, baseball would be the last thing on my mind too.

  31. willedav said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:25 pm

    checking out teams already in/likely to go to Big Dance it looks like state of Texas has most teams of all.
    right now, Texas So. won the SWAC, Houston is in finals of All Am vs. Cincy, A&M Tech Horned Frogs and maybe UT Horns at large. Tex Arlington playing tmw in Sun belt, SFA playing right now in southland.
    Could be as many as 7. Impressive.

  32. blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:53 pm

    Loo, I didn’t want your message to get stuck way, way, way up there, where only I saw it . . . 🙂

    “The Giants suck.and will continue to suck for some time.
    This is the dark ages…”

    • djloo27 said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:35 pm

      The last year and a half proves it. I don’t blame them for trying to patch together something while they ride out the bloated contracts, but it’s like putting a silk hat on a pig. The 3 titles used up a half century of overdue luck. Sweet dreams, son…

      • blade3colorado said, on March 11, 2018 at 8:09 am

        In the Air Force, we called it “putting a silver saddle on a jack ass.” Same description. Yeah, like I said in a post above, the 1.5 seasons of shit baseball wasn’t a mirage in my mind. Too many holes to fill and two pick ups on the downside of their careers, coupled with a reliever and utility outfielder, isn’t going to change that in my opinion.

        That being said, again – I hope I am wrong and we kick ass. I just don’t see it right now.

  33. Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    • djloo27 said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:00 pm

      That’s how I felt about Juan Marichal…

  34. unca_chuck said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:06 pm

    As far as Italy goes, we didn’t see a ton of it, mainly Florence, Rome, and Venice, but Florence was spectacular. The Iffuzi Gallery is a must. And the park across the river that has an outdoor statue of David is a real cool gathering place at sunset. Locals and tourons alike hang out and drink wine and chill. the view of the city is as good as it gets.

    Venice is pretty cool provided it isn’t a really touristy time. We went in early October, and once the day crowd were gone Venice was peaceful and great to walk around.

  35. snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    Why do I have a feeling Mrs. Beede won’t be too pleased if Hubby doesn’t make it to the majors and gets a good contract?…

  36. djloo27 said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:26 pm

    Why would I ever want to visit Italy?
    I had Bensonhurst…

  37. djloo27 said, on March 10, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    My theory on the dizzying fall of Pence is that his diminished athleticism can no longer compensate for his wretched fundamentals…

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:18 pm

      i think that’s valid. He got away with all that quirky bullshit because it’s the only way he could ever do it and he was a great athlete so he made it work. Now that those skills have diminished he’s finding out that quirky bullshit alone only takes you so far.

      • djloo27 said, on March 10, 2018 at 9:03 pm

        It came to me when I was watching those clips of his teammates mimicking him…

  38. YogiBarrister (@Yogi47951368) said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:19 pm

    Even though he can’t field a position, Marty Lurie thinks Sandoval has value off the bench. I disagree, but if they start the season with 12 pitchers, keep him around. Hector Sanchez makes more sense though, a third catcher would help.
    Tomlinson has to be the UT
    Blanco over Duggar for now
    Williamson is the everyday LF
    Pence gets DLed to start the season
    Keep Shaw. He has entertainment value
    The rotation is set with Stratton and Blach
    The bullpen should be great, sorry Juluan Fernandez is a bust. They’re strong from the left side for a change. Maybe Holland is the long reliever/spot starter.

    Opening Day Lineup
    Jackson CF
    Belt 1B
    Posey C
    Longoria 3B
    McCutchen RF
    Williamson LF
    Crawford SS
    Bumgarner P
    Panik 2B

    Bench: Hundley, Sandoval, Shaw, Blanco, Tomlinson
    Pence DL

    • snarkk said, on March 10, 2018 at 8:59 pm

      I agree that Pence looks like he’s on an arc to hit the DL to start the season. Coffee OD.
      Melancon — it can’t be good that he’s had what, one appearance so far? What’s up with that? IMO he’s even money to start on the DL. Don’t look now, but he’s looking like $64 million down the toidy…

    • zumiee said, on March 11, 2018 at 12:16 am

      Williamson looks better at the plate after going to Turner’s batting guru. Pence is still the likely opening day starter vs. Kershaw, though.
      The Pence situation is likely the first big crisis of the ’18 season.

      • djloo27 said, on March 11, 2018 at 6:17 am

        And the pitching will be the year long one…

  39. willedav said, on March 11, 2018 at 9:17 am

    NL has become such a have/have not league. There are not yet ready to compete teams in every division. Just think bar is lower…get to .500 you’ve got a shot.

    I think James post was pretty accurate—not having Moore and Cain starting so often plus any improvement from pen guys should lower runs allowed enough to get near even in run differential; I do believe if they can stay healthy they will score more and hit more bombs. If they are in contention by deadline Sabes can try and work some more magic.

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