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Going Through The Motions

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 16, 2018

They’ve played 15 games. In 8 of those games they’ve scored 0 or 1 run. They have exactly 2 regulars who are performing at/above expectations: Buster and Panik. So right there, you get your answer on why the offense has scuffled so badly this year. Their OPS is stuck in the mid 600’s because they’ve forgotten how to take walks and hitting doubles, a stat they’ve always been near the top because of where they play, has become troublesome too. There is not enough urgency, as usual everyone is stilling around waiting for someone to do something. It’s annoyingly professional of them.

San Diego ran circles around the Giants. Almost literally. There is not enough *happening* happening. This team needs a spark…


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  1. alleykat69 said, on April 16, 2018 at 6:15 am

    Williamson could provide a spark if Sabes&Boch pull their heads out of the asses and make some changes now!

    • Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 6:33 am

      the problem with Willy is, he’s kinda all or nothing. He’s not going to do anything if he gets on first base, he’ll just sit there waiting for something to happen. It’s gotta be bombs away and while I guess he could do that it’s just as likely that he’d struggle. Hitting a bunch of home runs is hard to do for even the best HR hitters. This guy is just an AAA flier in my opinion…..

  2. alleykat69 said, on April 16, 2018 at 6:48 am

    Probably true but we’re no getting enough from the rest of the slugs besides Posey &Panik to make any kind of difference..

  3. willedav said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:34 am

    by all rights Williamson should have been in LF to start the season. Cutch started slow last year and wound up with .850 OPS equal to Posey and better than Belt or any other Giant.
    Longo and Craw, who you hope can be at least .750 OPS hitters, had good series. Like to see Belt and AJ pick things up and no more Beede in rotation. Suarez and Moronta look good.

    Get Cueto and Smrdz back in rotation healthy pitching seems much improved. Yes there were some tough torture Ls to watch, but if pitching keeps them in games best you can hope for. And they did win couple of those.

  4. Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:45 am

    April 29th is HUnter Pence Sock Day so we probably have to wait around for that fucking day to pass before he starts to sit

    • wilcojoe said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:16 am

      Pure gold!

    • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:25 am

      I would have thought Coffee Mug Day, but I guess those can turn into weapons…

  5. willedav said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:52 am

    Something else that is disappointing beside Beede’s 2 awful starts would be the blown save/L by Gearrin and suckitude of Osich and Dyson. With young SPs like Blach and Stratton and guy like Holland that isn’t more than 5 inning guy either, set up guys have more important roles and will be called upon more often. And usually it will be in situation with runners on in the middle of an inning.
    Happened to Stratton twice and both times the pen guys allowed his runs to score.

  6. Stan Shell said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:19 am

    Any other team (other than Dodgers) fans would be calling for a new Manager to give “that spark”. Not here.

    • Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:25 am

      I agree that Bochy isn’t helping at this point but he’s not hurting anything. I doubt any manager could light a fire under this professional team

    • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:26 am

      I’ve called for it last year, and the year before.
      Instead of new blood at the captain’s chair, they moved around the chairs of the first mate and rest of the staff…

  7. unca_chuck said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:38 am

    If he keeps pencilling in Pence and doing the old ‘stay the course’ deal, he may get canned by the break.

    No, we’d never do that to Bochy, so we’ll simply ride the train to nowheresville and another 90 loss season.

  8. Macdog said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:02 am

    Great posts by Loo on Nack end of last thread.

    And speaking of great, Hal Greer has died. I’m not old enough to have seen him play, but I know he was a big part of those great Sixers teams with Wilt in the 60s, finally winning it all in ’67. Greer also goes to back to the Syracuse Nationals before they moved to Philly.

    • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:27 am

      I remember watching him take free throws. Jump shot…

  9. zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:27 am

    Pretty good pro-Belt rant on McC Chronicles today:

    “Is there no sanity where Belt is concerned?

    I was just listening to Kruk ripping Belt on KNBR, while he gushed about how Pence is “really starting to square balls up”. I mean…there just are no words…

    This whole Belt saga has my brain begging for mercy. I actually thought he was off to a pretty decent start early on, particularly in comparison to just about everyone else in the lineup. But who gets benched? Belt. Who gets jerked around like a marionette? Belt.

    Take the worst players on the Giants roster—the guys that offer absolutely nothing of value, and Bochy will trot them out there regularly, if not daily. Bochy’s all about “getting them goin’”. Has Bochy even once tried to get Belt goin’? No. Bochy totally jerks Belt around. Every time there’s a lefty on the mound, Belt has to look over his (slumpy) shoulder and wonder if he’ll be on the bench again. And then people wonder why Belt starts struggling a little and taking a few called third strikes.

    Belt is one of the best hitters on the Giants. He’s one of the few power hitters on the team. (OK, I’m sorry but I have to go all caps here…) HE NEEDS TO PLAY EVERY DAY. Bochy benches Belt every other time a lefty pitches. AND BELT HITS LEFTIES.

    The Giants made a lot of noise this winter about trying to win. They supposedly made moves with that in mind. But the manager constantly makes moves that help them lose. Over and over.

    Posted by tobias on Apr 16, 2018 | 8:48 AM”

    • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:32 am

      Totally agree.
      Belt is aggravating, but Pence appears near useless now.
      Yet Pence gets a slap on the back for finally hitting one on the screws, where Belt gets ripped by his own management.
      When he gets traded, he’ll unload on Giants management, and I won’t blame him…

    • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:38 am

      Pence .446
      Belt .742

      And what’s with Jackson?
      His splits are positively Spangian, if not worse: .279 OBP, .554 OPS

  10. alleykat69 said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:38 am

    Yeah Belt is the biggest whipping boy on the team,always has been always will be..

  11. alleykat69 said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:55 am

    Giants RISP is similar to the 49ers on 3rd down before Jimmy G started non existent.

  12. unca_chuck said, on April 16, 2018 at 10:50 am

    Next, we’ll hear that Aaron Rowand is still in the batting cage, swinging at 500 balls a day.

    How much of this is just Belt letting them pull this shit on him? Like I’ve said a million times, if he was surrounded with other guys who were hitting, his numbers would be looked at as solid. Since everyone around him is basically shitting the pool, his failings become magnified.

    It is unconscionable that Pence gets a pass (as Rowand did), while they bag on Belt. Shit, Crawford’s numbers are mediocre. We’re almost a month into the season and he has 2 RBIs? His OPS is right at Belt’s but that’s from his warming up these last couple games. Are they ragging on him? Longoria? Everyone not named Posey or Panik should be catching shit if Belt is.

    • unca_chuck said, on April 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm

      I mean, shit. Gorkys has cooled down to a sub-zero .400 BA and 1.000 OPS. HJow the mighty have fallen. What will we do?

  13. Macdog said, on April 16, 2018 at 12:12 pm

    After all those rain/snowouts yesterday, more weather madness: Tonight’s Jays-Royals game at Toronto could be postponed due to falling ice from the CN Tower.

  14. zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 12:31 pm

    We were hoping the Padres would be a soft-landing spot in the April schedule. The Padres didn’t cooperate with that. Maybe the desert air will liven the Giants’ bats.

  15. zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 12:33 pm

    For any folks that want to make Titanic analogies….yesterday was the date the Titanic sunk.

    • zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 12:35 pm

      Also, yesterday was the date of Lincoln’s death.
      And used to be tax day.

      • zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 12:38 pm

        On the positive side, of course, Jackie Robinson integrated Major League Baseball.

      • Lurker John said, on April 16, 2018 at 1:38 pm

        Yeah, Branch Rickey, but I get your meaning.

  16. alleykat69 said, on April 16, 2018 at 12:40 pm

    Sad but true are OF now should be Gorkster, Blanco&Cutch 🤪
    Hey another way to screw Belt over, you give Longo a day off you start Posey at 3rd Hundley at 1st and Panda catching..

  17. alleykat69 said, on April 16, 2018 at 1:55 pm

    2013 April 15.. Boston Marathon explosion near the finish line 3 dead 183 injured..

    • unca_chuck said, on April 16, 2018 at 3:03 pm

      Shit. Don’t scare me like that. I read the end before I saw the date . . .

  18. snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 2:07 pm

    On the bright side, Tony Watson has been pretty darn good…

    • Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 2:17 pm

      i’m still pretty cool with the bullpen. Pierce Johnson throws gas, Moronta has been nails, obviously Watson and mostly Strickland….The only holes have been the young guys who we’ve been waiting on for 2 years (and Dyson, who sucks). Could be time to cut them loose…

      • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 3:21 pm

        I have doubts about Blach as a lefty reliever instead of Osich. His stuff is not a late relievers type of stuff. But Osich and his worse colleague Okert are so bad, the FO may make that move when Samardzxxx comes back…

  19. gianthead said, on April 16, 2018 at 3:36 pm

    Sad sad sad. From a hitting standpoint, this is far worse than imagined. With healthy starting pitching thought we could manage 86 wins and that would put us in the wild card hunt. Once Bum went down and we scored just 2 runs against LA in the first series, I could see us being a dozen games out by May 1…just thought it would be the Fodgers.

    And we are going to get the same bs about not bringing up young hitters and keep trotting out the vets. We should be dangling Posey to the Nats who could pyt them over the top in the playoffs and they are loaded with minor league talent and this is their last hurrah with Harper. With Harper’s departure, they have a ton of coin to pay Posey.

    The reality is that we are likely heading to a 2019 outfield of Williamson-Duggar/Slater-Shaw and we might as well get that process started with Williamson now and Shaw joining later. Why do the Yanks not jump to get Belt? They are so over-loaded with right-handed power bats that a wily lefty with a keen eye to take walks with gold glove caliber defense should be an automatic sell.

    • zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 3:56 pm

      “we might as well get that process started”

      The Giants’ FO started this season vowing that this season is not a rebuild. Any big changes aren’t going to happen soon this season, other than maybe in a few weeks Pence becomes a bench player, with Williamson hopefully up. And who knows how much of a chance Williamson would get. He goes 0-fer in his first couple of starts and maybe that’s it

      • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 4:13 pm

        Chances are when he gets a shot, it won’t be for long, like you say.
        He’ll have to hustle up and produce immediately. Bochy doesn’t have a long leash for new guys, even though the old guys suck, which I don’t understand.
        Unless Mac has discovered that magic swing of Turner’s that is productive at the MLB level, which seems unlikely, this next one is his last shot, or it should be, with SF. Hopefully he doesn’t hurt himself early on…

      • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 4:16 pm

        Have you heard that commercial on KNBR that they play with the interview cut from Dusty? He says he wants to help Sabes and Bochy with the “rebuild”. Oops. Surprised that one got by Larry Baer’s censors. It might be erased now, haven’t heard it for a while…

  20. djloo27 said, on April 16, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    Willamson’s a hopeless oaf…

    • Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 5:23 pm

      that’s kinda how I feel. I’d rather have Dugger just because he’s more athletic and can offer more to help the team. WIlly is like “bombs away” or nothing. Very Rob Deerish

    • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 6:07 pm

      I think the date for passing of the one year service time potential starting for Duggar is up or nearly up, so they can cross that off the list as a reason to leave him in Sac. But, he’s at an OPS clip of .619, so that doesn’t bode well. I think a kid can do really well in ST like he did and be ready to go to MLB, then when he’s shipped out off the fence, he loses focus, gets down. I think that may be happening to Duggar…

  21. wilcojoe said, on April 16, 2018 at 5:24 pm

    I am very skeptical of the role David Bell is playing with the player development role they brought him into. What does he know about analytics? The Astros from office is full of Ivy League number nerds. Same with the Dodgers and Cubs. I would much rather see some of that in the Giants front office than ex Giants like Bell and Baker. The ironic thing is San Francisco is the most progressive, tech savvy big league city in the country. How can the player development side be so out of touch with this?

    • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 6:08 pm

      Bell is coming from the Cards. Their minor leagues are in better shape than the Giants. That’s a plus for Bell…

  22. xoot said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    Strange tweets lately from Schulman, opining that the Giants are afraid to “rebuild” because their season ticket holders would bolt. Schulman thinks most of those season ticket owners are bandwagoners who jumped in after 2010. I know maybe a dozen season owners, and all of them bought in 2000, when the park opened. But a dozen people isn’t a very big sample. . . . .

    Good article here about Popovich’s ass’t coach Becky Hammon:

    • Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:15 pm

      every season ticket holder I know reupped this year without blinking.

  23. Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:23 pm

  24. Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    Sources: #SFGiants’ actual offer in the offseason to the #Marlins in exchange for Giancarlo Stanton: LHP Andrew Suarez, 3B Jacob Gonzalez and OF Denard Span.

    • Flavor said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:43 pm

      Gee I can’t believe they didn’t take that

      • xoot said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:48 pm

        That doesn’t look, what’s the term–competitive, good-faith, mildly interested, worth the trouble.

  25. willedav said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:43 pm

    Oh man Hal Greer was one of my heroes and that Sixer team mid late 60s one of my all time faves. We saw them year after they won, and I saw Greer’s last team the infamous 73 one that set the record for fewest Ws.

    Yeah he shot his J at the FT line, and hit 80% for his career.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:47 pm

      Growing up in Joisey, on a hillside that sometimes fuzzified TV out of NY, watched a lot more Philly sports, including the Sixers. As a young boy, I just could not figure out how to do a jump shot, until I repeatedly watched Hal at the free-throw line. I thought that was so cool. A bunch of those Sixers had odd freethrow styles: of course Wilt underhand, plus Wally Jones, one step back and the arms and ball behind his head before his shot. RIP Mr. Greer.

  26. willedav said, on April 16, 2018 at 7:46 pm

    Listening to the Warriors idiot doing pre game intros, hard to top Zinkoff who did a great, “Grrrrreer!”

    • unca_chuck said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:34 pm

      Was he the “Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhooting twoooooooooooooo!” guy?

      • willedav said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:40 pm

        Zimkoff was the philly guy. Dick Callaghan was the great Warrior guy…trrrrrraveling!

      • unca_chuck said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:55 pm

        Ahhh yeah. Loved Callahan.

      • djloo27 said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:31 pm

        No one was better or classier than John F.X. Condon. That was when New York was really New York.
        I don’t know what the fuck it is now…

  27. unca_chuck said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    Didn’t the front office see the empty seats last year as the team cratered down the stretch? If this team wanders through another 90 loss season they WILL lost season ticket holders.

    Refs are doing all they can to give the Spurs this game. This is fucking unreal.

  28. unca_chuck said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:30 pm

    This inordinate sticking with the vets will be Bochy’s undoing this year,

  29. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    Some here have been calling for Bruce to walk away for a couple (or even several) years now, myself included. Personally, I was basing that opinion on a) Bochy just seems about as *done* as a manager as Pence is as a player, and b) there would be a bit of a rebuild with younger players and Boch is just not the guy for that kind of situation. Since the rebuild isn’t happening, well, there he is, still here. Problem is, he has things backwards: tending to give aging vets a long leash even though it’s clear to just about everyone else that their skills have diminished and won’t be coming back, and not giving younger players the same amount of leash even though they’re the ones who actually need the time and experience to get better so we can see what they’ve got. Bochy should get his own little parade once he’s done, love the guy. But… he is done, and this year could well just turn out to be a slow death march for this team if it’s another putrid season. I’m still a little optimistic the team will make adjustments and do ok. Just think it’s time for a new “big head” running the show.

    • zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:00 pm

      Well said. We love Bochy, but sometimes it’s time for a change.

      • snarkk said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:26 pm

        Bochy loves the ocean, loves to fish, get away and out on the water.

        So, time for him to make a Cool Change (check out 1:50-2:00) …

      • djloo27 said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:27 pm

        He shoulda left after 2014. Probably hates his wife. Even FDR knew when to check out…

      • zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:57 pm

        Great camera work on the video. Very cool.

  30. zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 8:52 pm

    A lot of baseball players have pear-shaped physiques, but this Mengden pitching for the A’s tonight really defines pear-shaped.
    Plus he has the wacky Rollie Fingers waxed mustache. It looked cool on Fingers, not so much on Mengden.

    • zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:10 pm

      Mengden is pitching well, though.

  31. zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 9:50 pm

    The Dodgers aren’t having much trouble with the Padres tonight.

    • zumiee said, on April 16, 2018 at 10:02 pm

      Giants and Dodgers will end the night tied for 5th place.

    • zumiee said, on April 17, 2018 at 1:39 am

      Cool. 🙂

  32. zumiee said, on April 17, 2018 at 2:28 am

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