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With An Eye To Next Season

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 1, 2018

D-Rod has been a revelation and you’d have a hard time arguing otherwise if you watched him pepper the corners of the strike zone yesterday. He’ll fill in nicely for Cueto next year. I’m not sure how much more to expect out of him this season. In 2016 he threw 132 innings, 2017 he tossed 143, this year he’s up to 116. What’s he got? Five or 6 more starts in him? Probably guaranteed to be shut down by mid September.

Longo is just as bad as Sabean saying “We got two tough wins here. We just need to go on a little run.” I know he has to say stuff like that after a game but SF was ALL OUT to beat the Pads. The worst team in the NL. When you are “just enough to win” over the worst team that should tell you something about your team.

After doing nothing at the deadline and seeing the writing on the wall for the team this year it makes zero sense to play Pence even one more inning this season. Let Belt heal as usual on the DL. Bring Shaw up. Let’s go, it’s time to take a look at the young kids. Bochy needs to grit his teeth and just do this…….

 

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  1. willedav said, on August 1, 2018 at 7:23 am

    Hanson isn’t in there vs. LHP because he sucks at it. He’s hitting .239 with a .543 OPS and none of his 6 bombs have come hitting RH. D’Arnaud on the other hand now has 3 bombs in limited action and looks OK defensively. Pablo doesn’t give much RH either, so I’d leave D in there and let Slater play 1b.

    Speed game…Duggar got on late game and then got thrown out. He has to figure out the pitchers get a better jump and pick a spot to run in at this level, Hanson too. this has zero to do with Bochy.
    Henry Aaron stole 240 bags in his career. One 3 yr stretch mid 60s, age 30-32 he stole 67 bags and got caught only 11 times. Age 34 he stole 28 bags and got caught only 5 times.

    Because he knew what he was doing not because he ran like Lou Brock. Pretty well documented if you aren’t successful at least 75% of the time you aren’t helping your team.

  2. willedav said, on August 1, 2018 at 7:28 am

    Loo’s 9:57 last night, “dummies nightmares and magic” is POTD HOF.
    SD in the Big Apple, great! Have a great time, shoot left coast et al a pic if you meet up with friends.

  3. gianthead said, on August 1, 2018 at 7:32 am

    I need a few more good starts out of DRod to help keep me in my fantasy league playoffs…picking up Will Smith has panned out nicely

    I’m all in on Shaw coming up and we see if Williamson can stick if he is healthy and waive McCutch. Someone on the inter-tubes was making an argument that the Giants moving him in August would be better than trading him before the trade deadline. I did not understand how that would be…anyone have any thoughts?

    • Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 7:35 am

      the thought is the Giants can keep the dream alive for a few more weeks and then when it’s finally over they shouldn’t have any trouble passing him through waivers to ultimately trade him. But they weren’t gonna get anything for him July 31st, not sure what they get for him on Aug 30th except less salary relief….

    • Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 7:37 am

      also GH I’m not sure how good that season-long fant team could be if you’re picking up a bunch of Giants lulz

  4. zumiee said, on August 1, 2018 at 7:44 am

    How close and wild is the NL West? In one night, last night, the Dodgers slipped from first place to third place.

  5. zumiee said, on August 1, 2018 at 8:05 am

    During the Dodger broadcast last night, Hershiser said “Arriving in Dodger stadium, Dozier is finally in the big leagues.”
    Hershiser is one of those guys that reminds us why we grew up detesting the Dodgers. Lasorda would talk about “the big Dodger in the sky.” Hershiser and Lasorda are two cheeseball peas in a pod. And I’m seeing some of that in Roberts, too.
    Hilarious two nights ago- Roberts was being interviewed in the dugout when the Brewers hit a 3-run HR. Priceless.

  6. willedav said, on August 1, 2018 at 8:17 am

    Brewers pitching gave up 2 runs in 2 games vs. LA and knocked them out of first. L Cain (the guy we could have had for CF, at some cost) robbed Bellinger of a potential bomb. Good looking team–pitching speed bombs.
    I’d sooner vote for them than Cubs whom they just tied for first place– to take down LA in playoffs.

  7. alleykat69 said, on August 1, 2018 at 8:21 am

    We are just a .500 team
    Wishing for that special dream
    When we beat a lower team
    Nowhere team just keep that dream

  8. unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 8:42 am

    Well, there was a time in the not-so-recent past that we couldn’t handle the Pads no matter how good we were and how bad they were. But whatever. The front office is hoping for a minor miracle so that’s where we are. Maybe since all of our hitters have collectively sucked for all of July, they’ll all collectively kick some ass in August? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And I have some acreage on the moon for sale.

    This is the shit sando we got, so this is the shit sando we eat . . .

    • snarkk said, on August 1, 2018 at 8:54 am

      All for $200 million in salary and $19.25 beers…

  9. alleykat69 said, on August 1, 2018 at 8:43 am

    Have to disagree about Pence BF..
    He has the whole month of September for his vet appreciation farewell tour. He will get a start are PH in every series they play, road are at home..

  10. blade3colorado said, on August 1, 2018 at 8:59 am

    It pisses me off that the Giants spend money like drunken sailors (or the government) with little or no return. Melanoma, Smarg, Pence, Cueto, Wrongo, Cutch, Jackson . . . Timmy gets a pass for his WS heroics. Less so, Matt Cain.

    Belt? When was the last time he played a full season??? Panik? Same deal.

    Melanoma, Wrongo and Cueto basically hit the Lotto by signing with the Giants. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Cueto is under contract through 2021, with a $5 million buyout in 2022, his age-36 season. $63 million he’ll be paid over the next 3 seasons (or $68 million if you want to throw in that buyout).

    Flush . . .

    • alleykat69 said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:38 am

      Yeah they totally suck on “Veterans Contracts” Blade..
      The only deal they salvaged was Panda’s since Boston’s picking up that tab..

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:33 am

    Gotta figure Suarez is in the same boat with 124 IP across AAA and MLB. Strat will be back before we know it. They’re just stringing it along until rosters expand.

    • Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 10:06 am

      exactly. The end game, if there is one, is the beginning of September since NONE of these young pitchers (D-Rod, Suarez or Stratton) will be pitching past like the early to middle part of that month even if they are still in the race….

  12. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:35 am

    I don’t think Bochy has it in him to grit his teeth and do this. That’s likely going to be left to someone else at some point. Who’s really running the team right now? I mean the baseball on the field team, not the marketing sky boxes real estate stuff. Sabean? Baer? Evans seems clueless. Bochy must have a say in things. In business parlance, I’m kinda sorta sensing a lack of vision with this team at this time, both short and long term. Sabean already just said, yeah, we’ll sort it out in the offseason. Sheesh. White flag on the last day of July. Sort it out now, dude, if that’s your take on it, then start doing now what you think you maybe will consider starting to do next year…..

  13. snarkk said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:35 am

    Drod is a real bright spot. Giants do find a diamond in the rough every so often. Otherwise Giants fans need to recognize the 3 in 5 was a special deal. The stars won’t align like that again anytime soon. It resulted from the Giants parleying some crap seasons and resulting high picks into Timmy, Bum and Buster, plus core 4 and some voodoo magic with guys like Pat the Bat, Freddy, and other misfits that scored just enough those 3 seasons. Current squad is average or worse hitting with no power and low scoring ability. Pitching is good enough to get into playoffs but hitting and power outage are structural and can’t be solved quickly…

  14. unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 10:03 am

    Shit, Bobby Evans was on 95.7 the Game at 8:30 but I couldn’t listen to it. The guys were itching to ask about Bryce Harper and whether we gave the Nats an offer before the deadline, and what it looked like for next year’s chances of getting him.

    As far as the Giants go, I really hate that they seem to be happy with catering to the names rather than the numbers. Sure, they are on the edge of the race, but playing Pence will not get them closer. Throwing Melonhead out there with the game on the line is not a good thing. Moronta may not be ready for the 8th inning, but we have plenty of other options rather than Scar-limb. Bochy needs to play these games like every one is a playoff game. Because they are. He nearly fucked the pooch vs the Pads with Melonhead, so let’s hope he learned his lesson.

    As far as locking down their talent to long deals, no one was complaining when Crawfish was given a long0term deal. People were iffy on Cain, but at the time they stood to lose both Timmy and Cain if they didn’t do something. In other words, I’m more down with signing our guys like Posey, Crawfish, and Cain when they were (relatively) young rather than throwing gobs of cash at guys like Smargle, Longo, Melonhead, and Cutch.

  15. alleykat69 said, on August 1, 2018 at 10:40 am

    Speaking of a good point..
    Knbr guy brought up a point about the Astros (GM Lundrow sp?) picking up Roberto Osuna who is serving a 75 game suspension for domestic violence yet will be eligible for postseason, yet a guy suspended for Ped’s is not?

    • zumiee said, on August 1, 2018 at 11:50 am

      It was painful watching Verlander struggle to answer a reporter’s question about Osuna.
      Talk about zugzwang. You could tell that Verlander didn’t think there was any good way to answer the question, so he just made a big long word salad out of various nouns and verbs until he felt he had given the reporter a long enough answer. A complete gibberish answer. But what could Verlander do?

      • zumiee said, on August 1, 2018 at 11:52 am

        Speaking of gibberish, Rudy Giuliani in the news, but that’s a whole other issue.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 12:25 pm

        Verlander has been very outspoken against domestic violence.

        verlander

    • unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 12:22 pm

      Yeah, that’s seriously fucked up. Try to get and edge and take your lumps, sure. But If Robinson Cano is out of the playoffs, certainly a guy who beat up a woman should be suspended from post-season games.

  16. Irish Kevin said, on August 1, 2018 at 12:28 pm

    So at the beginning of the year on paper this team looked like contenders, as the injuries mounted things just didn’t work out the way the Giants wanted. That plus they keep rolling out the guys who are paid the most but give the least. A week ago a reporter for the Sac Bee said the Giants need to play the best players available. Meaning not Pence, Smarj and a couple of others. And then there is Panik, what do the Giants do with a young player who cannot stay healthy, Games played 2015-217, 100, 127, 138. Where as B Crawford 143, 155, 144. Panik is an outstanding player when on the field,

    • alleykat69 said, on August 1, 2018 at 12:50 pm

      Yeah even Lou Gehrig finally had to come out of the LU after 2,130 straight games..
      He’s probably rolling in his grave,:”These players today are pussies”

    • Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 1:21 pm

      Calling panik “outstanding” is a stretch my man

  17. alleykat69 said, on August 1, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    Yeah the kid Derick Rodriguez should be considered for ROY if the Freakin offense and BP late didn’t screw him out of atleast 3 wins!! He should be 8-1 right now..

  18. zumiee said, on August 1, 2018 at 1:38 pm

    Chuck, after the trade, Verlander is in an awkward situation. I was referring to an interview after the trade. It probably blew Verlander’s mind that Houston traded for Osuna. What’s he going to say now? He doesn’t want to cause any clubhouse havoc. Any of the Astros could be asked the Osuna question at any time now. Lots of awkward interviews to come.
    Verlander, in the interview, did say “I stand by my previous words,” but he didn’t repeat what those words were.

    • zumiee said, on August 1, 2018 at 1:48 pm

      On the MLB network, they were debating the trade for Osuna. Pretty much no one wanted to defend the trade. And it’s a big risk to the Astro team chemistry. There were no other ways to improve their bullpen?

      • Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 2:07 pm

        this is the bullshit the team churned out when they acquired him. I guess *due diligence* didn’t include checking with anyone on the team
        “We are excited to welcome Roberto Osuna to our team. The due diligence by our front office was unprecedented.”

    • unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 3:44 pm

      Zume, the thing I posted was Verlander’s response to Danny Vasquez. I think those are the words he’s referring to. That happened in March of this year. Shit The video of Vasquez is disgusting. He SHOULD be in jail.

      The thing about Osuna is, no one knows anything except for the people involved.

  19. alleykat69 said, on August 1, 2018 at 2:33 pm

    The Astros GM is a total slimeball (Jeff Luhnow) he talks about his zero tolerance policy, cuts ml outfielder Danny Vasquez who punched his gf in the face 3 times, but then in his warped mind backtracks and picks up Osuna charged with the same shit, but that’s cool if he can add some saves down the stretch..

  20. Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    teared up reading this:

    • snarkk said, on August 1, 2018 at 3:41 pm

      There are surely things we know and don’t know about Montana on a personal level that make him mortal. But, regardless of that, as far as football goes, he is my #1, a football god. There is nobody in sport I would trust more, in his prime, to get the job done when it absolutely needed to get done. The only one for me that comes close was Timmy in his prime, which was altogether too short…

    • unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 3:51 pm

      Wow. That’s sweet. I’ve always felt so lucky to say we witnessed the best ever through his whole career. I’m with you Snarkk. Brady may have the numbers, Marino the rocket arm, Favre the guts and joy, Brees, Elway, manning and the countless other great QBs out there, but when it matters most I’d turn to Joe every time.

      • snarkk said, on August 1, 2018 at 5:53 pm

        Ditto. I can remember QBs back to the days of Lamonica and Starr. I would ride Joe against any other QB I’ve seen, without reservation. The guy had Prestone in his veins. The thing he was great at was hitting dudes in stride. The YAK from his throws was phenomenal, so his lack of a cannon arm was irrelevant in Walsh’s offense, in fact it was a perfect arm for that offense. But he could still lay that cross route or out pass into a wideout’s gut with DBs hanging all over him…

  21. djloo27 said, on August 1, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    Going way back, I’d take Bart Starr…

    • unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:04 pm

      Well, Starr is a close 2nd. Johnny U wasn’t half bad either in the way of being clutch. I never saw Otto Graham play so I have nothing to go on there.

      • djloo27 said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:08 pm

        And Bradshaw is always overlooked…

      • unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:16 pm

        Because he’s overrated. Well, I wouldn’t go that far but his first Super Bowl I think he threw 12 passes.

  22. djloo27 said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    RE: Sportsdude’s comment last night about Cutch getting too much flack, I think it’s cause we know that we only have a couple of months left to abuse him. It probably won’t compare to what’ll be heaped on Wrongo, Melon and others in the dark years to come…

    • Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:10 pm

      I still think Longo would catch the same amount of shit had he been playing. But he was hurt for so long, it’s hard to get after a guy who’s injured. And don’t give me any shit about Belt. Belt is ALWAYS on the DL. He’s earned all the shit I can give him and he probably deserves MORE

  23. Macdog said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    It’s a little weird that it’s Wednesday with two months left in the season and the Giants are off.

    • Bozo said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:35 pm

      I’m with you on that Mac.

  24. alleykat69 said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    If I ever wanted a guaranteed loss, have to go with Jamarcus Russell,and Ryan Leaf..

  25. djloo27 said, on August 1, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    For hunch players: Montana Sunset in the 7th at Del Mar in 15 minutes…

    • djloo27 said, on August 1, 2018 at 5:07 pm

      Hunch players lose…

      • Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 5:13 pm

        i didn’t bet it but I watched it. Big move by the 8

  26. Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    • djloo27 said, on August 1, 2018 at 5:42 pm

      That would be fun – although obviously won’t happen till the team is officially cooked.
      Geezers like me remember Campaneris and Tovar doing it like 50 years ago.
      Don’t know how many others since…

  27. snarkk said, on August 1, 2018 at 5:59 pm

    Longo is not immune from criticism. Far from it. His D has been bad, too. All home 81 outside on grass instead of turf may have something to do with the Klank glove to date. What’s he at now — .245 ish? No bueno for that fat contract…

  28. snarkk said, on August 1, 2018 at 6:27 pm

    John Shea just interviewed by that putz Lund on KNBR.

    Shea said some good stuff, two things stood out to me:
    1. Compared to teams like Doghairs, A’s with athletic, fast players, the Giants on-field talent is “antiquated”. Appropriate word, I thought.

    2. Bum may not WANT to be extended with the Giants in the offseason. No guarantee he won’t just say F it, you guys will suck for the next few years, and I’m not into that. Trade me, ‘cuz I’m goin’ FA anyway at end 2019.
    IMO as long as he’s not hurt going into the off season, SF should definitely move him for prospects…

  29. Flavor said, on August 1, 2018 at 7:03 pm

    Lund is pretty bad. He’s way better than Ratto who was obnoxious and not funny at all. But Lund is just there to laugh at Tolbert’s beer jokes and to say “Like YOU said….” and then he proceeds to agree with everything Tolbert just said

    • snarkk said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:10 pm

      Ratto’s schtick schuks eggs…

  30. willedav said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:03 pm

    new look Orioles clobber Sonny Gray and Yanks 7-5 after dumping off 6 vets for prospects.
    After he hit bomb here last year when he was raking, always liked Schoop.

  31. willedav said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:12 pm

    Leave Belt alone until such time as he can grab a bat and defend himself.
    He has highest OB and slugging pct of any regular on the team. And he still leads them in HRs.
    do Giants have a better hitter? NO
    Do they have a better defensive 1b? NO
    Are any of the recent injuries including emergency appendectomy his fault? NO

    That’s 3 strikes and anyone who says Belt sucks is OUT….looking.

  32. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:44 pm

    I guess it’s official now, Giants will be without Cueto for at least a year…. Who knows what state the team will be in come August next year.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 1, 2018 at 9:47 pm

      And I don’t mean California…

    • snarkk said, on August 1, 2018 at 10:25 pm

      3 months of possible post-surg rehab wasted on a rest and rehab effort, so he’s basically done until Scottsdale, Feb 2020. Giants medical efforts strike again. Andrews isn’t doing the surgery, it’s the Doghair’s team cutter in LA…

      • unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 11:30 pm

        Well, someone listened to Andrews. And he ain’t part of our crack medical staff

  33. zumiee said, on August 1, 2018 at 10:29 pm

    Albers is not good.

  34. mrsprtdude said, on August 1, 2018 at 10:49 pm

    Re Cueto..I’ve almost never seen a pitcher have a ulner collateral ligament tear (UCL) try rest and rehab that did not eventually have the surgery anyway. LAME. I feel bad of ohtani. Like the same thing for him…

    • djloo27 said, on August 1, 2018 at 11:27 pm

      Maybe Yank’s Tanaka…

  35. unca_chuck said, on August 1, 2018 at 11:31 pm

    Fucking Dozier homers for the dogs. And they won.

  36. chipower9 said, on August 2, 2018 at 6:59 am

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