#bebest
Last night I wasn’t begrudging the dearth of dingers. I was more in awe of us not being able to hit a ball that would even roll up to the wall. I’m pretty sure we didn’t hit a ball that got to the warning track. Man, if only we had a guy with warning track power. Buster did hit a fly ball (oppo field of course) that got near the warning track. I nearly fell out of my chair when that happened.
No, our runs were scored the old fashioned way. Pop up bloopy-ass lucky ground finders. Oh, and this. Man down!
That game was filled to the brim with players who stink. On both sides.
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At least pitching held up. Lousy way to start 4 games series; Bochy was ready to figure out who was gonna be available besides Gomer when the Mets collided. And Gomer almost walked the freaking pitcher PH.
OK my take on tear down: everyone is movable IF Giants are committed to it. For instance, Phils have had hole at SS all season and Craw would be tremendous upgrade. So they tell Sabes kick us some $$$ back and then pick 1 guy from A list and 1 from B list of prospects or a chump vet.
This is how it could work for anyone. As wilco said, more money you help out with the better the list of prospects. Any money sent back is small fraction of what player is ultimately owed so the club still saves megabucks. Pirates I believe kicked back couple mil to SF in the Cutch deal to get Crick.
But Sabes has to want to do this and take what he can get for who he’s letting go. He’s on the other end of the Scutaro for Culberson deal and has to look at the potential long term benefits.
And maybe Baer goes retro and brings back “you gotta like these kids.”
If the Mets had managed to tie the game in the 13th, they would’ve been stuck with pitching a guy who threw 6 innings the night before and around 100 pitches.
That would’ve been interesting.
pitching has been good all year. If you consider all of the guys who have had to fill in for the injured pitchers they have been outstanding. Our problem as it always is is the fact that all our hitters suck
Spot on.
Giants pitching has been crazy good when you consider the toll taken by injuries.
If this team had even a middle of the road offensive attack it would be right up in the hunt in the West, not 7 back. Time to start moving players, not waiting for the existing ones to start hitting. The hitting woes are now two seasons in. Last night the A’s had a 4 AB stretch of double, double, HR, double. Hanson’s pop double had an “exit: velocity of 66 mph…
Problem is, and John (Clown) and I pointed this out, last night. Craw, Melatonin, and Buster all have no trade deals, and can smother any deal they do not like. Smardj and Belt, limited no trade deals. So they can throw up blocks on some deals.
I am not saying that tearing down this team, and dealing some of our guys for some quality prospects and pieces CANNOT be done, but it would be problematic, at a minimum.
From ESPN:
“If we compare Madison Bumgarner before and after he first landed on the DL with an injury last April, our sample size is small, but the differences appear stark. In 103 starts, from 2014 through his last turn before the 2017 DL stint, he had a 2.89 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, .225 batting average and .358 slugging allowed, and a 26.5 percent strikeout rate. In 27 starts since that initial DL stint (including another DL stint this year), he has a 3.24 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, .238 average and .421 slugging allowed, and a 20.7 percent strikeout rate. So each stat has gone in the wrong direction.”
He’s a huge red flag. Literally the long term direction of the franchise will depend on the decision they make with him.
Agree. They must find a way to deal him and get SOME value before he becomes a FA.
Yup, I mentioned this yesterday. Bumgarner’s approaching 100 IP and at 1.296 is posting his highest WHIP since 2010, 3rd straight year of a rising hits and reduced Ks/9 as well as a year over year increase in BB/9. I don’t necessarily want to see it happen but the club needs to quit fooling themselves with the Mad-Bum is an ace narrative and seriously think about the value that can be gained with a move rather than resigning.
Happy birthday willieD!
BF, mixing bad ball and a shout out to Melania ? …
I think #bebest is bullshit just like that game
What’s the deal with the waiver wire? Is it published online somewhere? If so I am not seeing it.Other than McCutchen who should the club put on the revocable waiver wire? Just some guys like Dyson, Watson, Strickland, Hundley, Longoria, Hanson, Panik? Or everyone?
Everyone. I cannot think of one guy who is a MUST KEEP on the current squad. SabEvans needs to grow some balls, shake shit up, and cook up, some deals to infuse new talent into this club. Going forward with the recipe of the last several years is a damned near lock for more suckage.
The famous mystery team has claimed Harper.
You all no it’s not the Giants.
And you all know Nats aren’t dealing him..
The Giants probably claimed Murphy from the Nats instead since he’s 33 and all.
Happy birthday Willied!🎉🎂
My daughter’s birthday is today also!
My birthday is August 23
Happy Birthday, WillieD! 🍸🍻⚾️
Thx guys. Next year is 50 yr HS reunion, lol.
Heard a little of Kuip today with Murph, quite interesting take—no we’re not going to playoffs so try and make life as difficult as possible for those within division and have some fun with it. Not in on a tear down but recognizes possibility. Said similar to Daniel’s take—if 30+ thou continue to show up, org owes them a decent team to watch.
Also loves Cutch and would like to see him back next year; says he is reliable everyday guy Bochy does not have to worry about and can play anywhere in OF. Says shift burns him and has ton of line drive outs; also comps him to Scut, in that a team that gets him likely gets a boost. Said Rox told him same things about Scut before he left, he was burned by line drive outs and if ball started falling in he’d be great. Which of course he was 2012.
Bum may not be what he once was, but 3.24 ERA still pretty dang good. I think he and posey are figuring out what he can do to get hitters out without being power guy anymore. SP depth still an issue. Big article of how Vogs helped Strat with mechanics and how it’s helped him since being sent down. See how it works out in NYC.
Murphy claimed by the cubs. Nats just traded him a few hours ago.
mm interesting.
Btw, some stats on Bum: ERA for the season is 3.05. Most of his issues have happened on the road.
Home: ERA 1.71 WHIP 0.99 BA .198 in 7 starts 2 HRs allowed 47 innings
Road: ERA 4.70 WHIP 1.67 BA .281 in 7 starts 6 HRs allowed 38 innings
Before Cueto went down I was OK with dealing either he or Bum. Still think Bum has value and few more years of being effective whether he gets traded or stays here.
I know Cubs are a playoff contender and Giants aren’t. Still, the other big revenue teams are constantly upgrading. Giants rock Gorky et al, and likely won’t do much at the waiver deadline to get prospects. They must lower the average player age on this team over the off season, get power, get athletic. How to do is the question when you’ve got few assets worth something in trade…
Yep. For a minor league infield prospect, and that “player to be named later” guy (or cash considerations). Giants could use a few sticks like Murphy’s in their line-up of wet noodle bats.
Round two of sucktitude…
“Let’s Get Ready to Fumble!”
1. Andrew McCutchen (R) RF
2. Chase d’Arnaud (R) 2B
3. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
4. Nick Hundley (R) C
5. Austin Slater (R) 1B
6. Hunter Pence (R) LF
7. Gorkys Hernandez (R) CF
8. Alen Hanson (S) SS
9. Chris Stratton (R) P
Boch throwing Pence a bone, and Slater finally getting another start.
Darnaud and Hanson getting extended tryout at 2nd. Panik looking like odd man out next year. This kid looked so promising in 2014. He’s been hurt and concussed off/on but WTF happened to him? His hitting has just gotten stuck…
Yeah it’s a bummer what’s happened to Panik,cause Craw&him sure make a sweet DP combo when their both in there.Last night though Panik had 2 cracks at driving in a run with runners a 3rd and popped up twice, that sucks..
Well, if the Giants do not trade Panik, then he will certainly be in the mix for the spot come ST next year.
Law technically should of gotten a save along with the win last night..
His reward a see ya back to Sac..Goober
I heard this morning on KNBR that Shaw has a bad back; the Oaf is still woozy. Neither seems likely for callup in September. Is there any position farmhand in AAA or AA with a shot at helping next year?…
A jump from San Jose won’t happen but I’d love to see the Mighty Heath Quinn getting called up.
Maybe we’ll get to see Ryan Howard but my guess is they will have an extended pitching staff with very few called up.
Oh, and maybe Blanco just for old time sakes. 🙂
I can’t believe I tuned into the Giants last nite–again! I landed on the 13th inning with Giants on base. After runner on 3rd, a pop-up, a ground out and another popup I was ready to never-ever watch them again, the drop happened. Reminded me of when I was younger and I would stay until the final out- -always. I doubt I’ll live long enough to see something quite like that since I can’t remembering something like that happening before in such a critical spot. In a year with such crap being peddled that had to be a highlight.
GF was asking what is wrong with the Giants. My answer, “There is no one there you really want to go see play. Watch the Giants- -fine. Watch a star (Bonds, Bum, Schmidt, Panda, Cueto, and so on- -all gone or much diminished.) IMO, the Giants need one or even two “big” players to build around. In my dreams. Sigh.
Interesting times ahead….
“Manafort was found guilty of five tax fraud charges, one charge of hiding foreign bank accounts and two counts of bank fraud. He faces a maximum of 80 years in prison.
The news came at the same time Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen was in a New York federal court to plead guilty to multiple counts of campaign finance violations, tax fraud and bank fraud.
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders did not have immediate comment on the two actions.
“I don’t have anything for you on that,” she said.”
The fuckin’ circus is in town…
My kinda town.
Here we go again.. Buster Posey to have season ending hip surgery!
Who didnt see that coming, shocked they didnt wait till season ends with this medical staff..
All the bills for the impossible 3 in 5 have come due.
They were worth it…
Unreal. Not like catching puts any strain on one’s hips. I;’m not a doctor but I stayed at a Holiday In Express.
I would send Belt, Panik and Strickland to the Mets for Bruce, Lagares and Flores.
Shake both teams up. Makes more sense than you think…
i’d like to hear more details about this hip surgery. Everything I’ve heard is that is degenerative. What is the purpose of this surgery and why do they need to do it right now? Looking forward to the crack Giant beat writers getting to the bottom of all of this.
Giants broadcast loving them some HUnter Pence tonight–everyone is talking about how his jersey is unbuttoned and how positively awesome it all is…..
Juuust in time to see those 2 runs score.
God, Pence is literally throwing pies out there in left field.
I don’t think I have ever seen a professional athlete deteriorate as rapidly and drastically as Pence…
Melanoma
At least he succeeds on occasion and all he does is pitch.
Pence just can’t do anything anymore…
E Longoria
SF in the hunt with a middle of the pack offense? They’ve given up 547 runs through last night. A middle of the pack offense is at 551, and for an ATT team that production would be above league average. 547-551, that’s a .500 team by definition. The fact that they are as close to 500 as they are with their current run differential is purely arbitrary. The pitching has been pretty resilient, and deserves some credit, but it’s still not very good.
right, and if they played all their home games in Cinn they’d rake, right? How’d that go over the weekend? Small same size, sure, but it’s silly to assume they’d score more just because the park is smaller. And the offense has gotten terrible. They were ok earlier in the year. They are absolutely abysmal right now and have been for months. Their OPS in Aug has been .588. In July it was .634. Come on man, what do you need to see right before your eyes, including those statistics, to accept that the offense fucking sucks shit?
See reply to Chuck below.
good. I thought you were suggesting the offense was passable this season
No, this team goes through loooong stretches where they don’t do jack. Throw n the bi-monthly 10 run game and you have an offense that doesn’t score runs. This team is the definition of one the will score a lot in one game and then nothing for 8. Sure it averages out into a middle of the road offense, but if you win one high scoring game and lose 8 low scoring affairs, it isn’ t the pitching.
No, actually it’s not a middle of the road offense, it’s a shitty offense. In fact, they’ve distributed runs “efficiently” by your measure, since they could easily have a much worse record than they do because of how bad the offense is. As far as the general idea that a team’s W-L record is fairly closely tied to the relative numbers of runs scored versus what they give up, there is no argument to be had there.
I used to fight with Twin over this very thing. Also the “arbitrary-ness” of one run games…
I wouldn’t take that whiney bitch Flores Loo, any guy that cry’s his eyes out thinking he was traded is a loser!
“Jimmy Duggan..”Theirs no crying in baseball”
Actually the best ball I think I ever seen caught was Jim Edmonds for the Angels, he had a straight line drive over his head and somehow stretch out to the max just short of the warning track in center field, it was awesome!!
Edmonds was as good as it gets in CF…
Well, the game didn’t go into extras, so it had that going for it.
Less is more sometimes.
Good morrrrrrning Vietnam, and I come to the Flap and the game is already over and I do believe this thread had the fewest “during the game” comments I have ever seen on the Flap….. understandably so….
I’ve stopped looking at tickets for Thursday…
i totally support that. You’d be better off looking at tickets on the ground at Saratoga
Wish I could, but I can’t leave my insulin dependent cat for that long. They’re finally gonna have perfect weather through the weekend. Been a dreary, forgettable meet…
I know. I follow Larry Colmus on twitter (grew up with him calling the races at Bay Meadows and Golden Gate fields) and he’s been super bummed about the weather this year. It’s been beautiful every day at Del Mar. Hey now!
needed a good laugh, this article is hilarious. What a fucking jackass this guy is
https://watchstadium.com/news/zach-smith-sex-toys-ohio-state-offices-staffer-nude-photos-white-house-08-17-2018/
Letters to 87 is on in 30 minutes for you local guys
Oh my god, he took some of the motherfucking turf with him to the afterlife. I didn’t see that one coming…..
Makes since though, that’s the greatest piece of turf “ALLTIME” which started the Dynasty.and it’s extra special being the Cowboys who kicked are butts in title games all the way back to the 70’s and John Brodie..
This kid, Jeff McNeil, looks like a keeper for the Mets.
I went to a women’s college soccer preseason match tonight that ended 0-0 and it was still more exciting than watching the Giants.
lulz
Cardinals are playing some rotten defense tonight.
Other than Molina. He’s done some effective framing.
Cards pitching through the bad D so far.
What happened?
Oh shit . . .
I usually don;t watch other games, but watching the cards smoke the Dogs is pretty entertaining.. Colton Wong just made a fricking amazing play.
Wow what a play! After I ripped their D, Wong made one of the best plays I’ve ever seen from a second baseman. Maybe the best I’ve ever seen.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CardsNation13/status/1032138314302795777/video/1
The fact that it’s Turner getting thrown out adds a special bonus.