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Rotten Apple

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 22, 2018

I wouldn’t say the Giants have a chance tonight but Syndergaard hasn’t really been his dominant self this year. Of course, facing the worst offense in the league can bump up your dominance level pretty quick.

And we are the worst offense in the league. Either league. Everyone likes to talk about OPS and we are last, dead last in mlb, with a .583 OPS in August. There’s really not much more to say about it.

The Giants are hitting career .222 off The White Knight or whatever this guy’s nickname is. Collectively they’ve hit 1 bomb off him. You guessed it, it’s Hunter Pence.

Lol…..

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  1. alleykat69 said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:14 am

    Thor gives up 3 measly dribblers,K’s 12 4-0 Mets…

  2. snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:48 am

    I’m in Phoenix. Rolled past Scottsdale stadium last night. Bunch of cars in the parking lot. There needs to be some radical change to the players in there next March; I’m hoping management, too…

  3. blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:58 am

    Other than this writer over estimating Cutch’s value to the Giants this season, he makes good points about the Giants need to jettison some players by the August 31st deadline. As he points out (and Flappers have known for weeks) they’re out of the playoffs, so if they can turn some impending free agents into warm bodies (prospects) for the future, the Giants will have a head start on building their roster for next season and beyond.

    Unfortunately, I think Sabes, et. al., are going to be MIA and will allow the trade deadline to pass.

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-giants-have-fallen-out-of-the-playoff-race-and-theres-still-enough-time-to-cash-in-some-trade-chips/amp/

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 9:40 am

      Not much in that report that’s news to flappers, but good summary. If they can’t trade McCutchen, they aren’t trying. There is no reason for him to be on this team any longer…

  4. alleykat69 said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:40 am

    Yeah I saw that article and starting laughing..
    Hey did any of you guys know that Melonoma once pitched for the Astros and gave up a GW HR to Pablo back in 2011?
    Should of known even back then he was gonna be garbage, and now the bum is 33 and signed thru 2022? More wasted money that will linger on for years…yikes

    • wilcojoe said, on August 22, 2018 at 12:12 pm

      Yep I was at that game. It was a Sunday afternoon at Minute Maid. That’s the game I got my picture with Bow Tie Bill Neukom.

      • wilcojoe said, on August 22, 2018 at 12:15 pm

        I was just thinking about Melancon and JD Martinez as two former Astros who showed zero signs of the success they would go on to have elsewhere. Makes you wonder if they both are doping.

  5. chipower9 said, on August 22, 2018 at 11:40 am

    Here is what I have found on Posey’s potential surgery. They’re talking bone spurs and his labrum, which I do not believe are related to a degenerative hip.

    https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/Giants-Buster-Posey-likely-to-have-13172659.php

  6. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    Giants are mad at John Shea for busting the Posey getting surgery story. Why could they possibly give a shit about that getting out?

    • zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 1:17 pm

      I hear ya. They’re so ridiculous sometimes. And good luck trying to get anyone in Giants leadership to say the word “pain.” We get to hear all these corny euphemisms: “His elbow is barking at him,” “He had a hiccup in his rehab” and so on. It’s just so pointlessly fearful of saying the actual truth.

  7. snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 2:13 pm

    So. The curtain is revealed and we hear some facts. Sabean says in the article that the team’s place in the standings “wouldn’t determine” the timing of Buster’s surgery. Say what? That makes no sense. So he’ll delay surgery even when they are 12 out with a month to go? Anyway, I said last week if there’s something really wrong with the hip, get the surgery over with sooner. Now we hear this “revelation”. Finally a sports reporter is doing his job and actually reporting news…

  8. chipower9 said, on August 22, 2018 at 2:44 pm

    1. Steven Duggar (L) CF
    2. Joe Panik (L) 2B
    3. Buster Posey (R) C
    4. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    5. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
    6. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    7. Austin Slater (R) LF
    8. Gorkys Hernandez (R) RF
    9. Casey Kelly (R) P

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 22, 2018 at 2:58 pm

      Has McCutchen been dealt?

  9. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 2:50 pm

    Jesus.Now that it’s out, they aren’t going to do anything anyway. Brilliant.

    “Let’s let him catch and delay the rehab another couple months so Posey can string together a few more singles.”

    What the fuck are these guys on?

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 3:12 pm

      The season tix holders can’t miss all those fly outs and grounders to the right side all of September…

  10. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    Glad Twin isn’t around for what I’m about to say but……Andres Torres on the pre/post game is awful. He says nothing interesting and his struggles with the language make what he does have to say annoying to listen to.

  11. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    Talking heads on the pre-game said the reason Buster isn’t getting the surgery TODAY is because…there’s still a chance. Come on, is this team being run by a bunch of women who just learned the game a couple of years ago? There is no fucking way Sabean thinks this team still has a chance, even a 1% chance, of making the post season. So why the fuck is he playing today?????

    • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:15 pm

      Unless they really believe that the Dodgers are the team to beat and they’re only 5 back of them…

  12. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:26 pm

  13. djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    Keith Hernandez lambasting Crawford for laziness and lack of focus on the pop-up to Wrongo that allowed the runner on first to tag…

    • Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:34 pm

      it’s very likely that these guys have lost their edge mentally. I tend to agree with Herny on that one

  14. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    Crawfish has been sucking since the end of June. Add the error on the throw there.

  15. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    They all look done. Craw jogs out yet another grounder, Longo is getting Gumby shoulders like Belt, Belt is k-ing at a big rate. And……..ballgame.

  16. snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:42 pm

    It’s all done. These guys were done at the AS break. Hey, the Big Red Machine won two straight, then gradually guys were traded or let go and within 4 or 5 years after, the Reds bore no resemblance to the trophy squad. It happens. No time like the present to start the trades…

  17. djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    If Arizona went 14-22, the Giants would have to go 22-13 to tie them.

    • Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:47 pm

      it’s probably not that simple. While I’m not looking at the standings, the rest of the way all these division teams play each other a lot. If AZ is gonna go 14-22 then one of the other 2 teams ahead of us is probably beating up on them–and one or both of them would remain in front of us.

      • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:56 pm

  18. wilcojoe said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    I am just dumbfounded that they wouldn’t perform the surgery right away. The longer you wait, the more you risk setbacks that delay his return even more. On the day they reveal the 2019 schedule I sure hope they remember this day when he isn’t ready for Opening Day.

    • Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:50 pm

      absolutely. It makes zero sense.

  19. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Jesus.. Let’s add a broken foot to the mix. Maybe a concussion before the end of the game.

  20. snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    There is no baseball reason for Posey to play tonight or anymore this season…

  21. djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    Sounded like the Met announcer just said “a couple of soft tits and a ground out”…

  22. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 22, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    I read something Sabean said a week or so ago something along the lines of “yeah, we’ll need to make some changes, but we’ll address it all in the off-season”, meaning, FO seemingly has no sense of urgency to start doing something productive NOW. Makes it sound like the team has given up both on this season and on starting to work on the next. That’s just both stupid and lazy.

  23. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 5:26 pm

    I wonder what happens when they come off this roadie. If the crowds go way down, will that drive them to change?

  24. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    Because they already have the built-in excuse for this season with all the injuries.

  25. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    • Lurker John said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:06 pm

      Queen.

  26. Bozo said, on August 22, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    This article makes it sound like Posey wants to keep playing. Who knows, maybe he is just shooting to get enough ABs to win another Silver Slugger.
    https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/buster-posey-intends-keep-playing-despite-knowing-he-needs-hip-surgery

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:03 pm

      I’ve about given up trying to figure out Giants management. With this hip surgery pending, it is nonsensical for Posey to play any more this season. Timmy had a hip labrum problem, and surgery. No guarantee Posey will come out of this surgery in any condition to catch anymore…

      • Bozo said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:16 pm

        I don’t know Snarkk, the article made it sound to me like it was Posey’s call with input from the team. If this is all true or the right call, I don’t know. But here is an excerpt from the article –
        “Posey said he has had continued dialogue with the training staff and front office about when to shut it down for the year.

        “We’re trying to make the decision that makes sense,” he said.

        The Giants have lost five of six and are eight games out of first with 35 to play. Doesn’t this seem like the time to do it?

        “We’ll just evaluate and and continue to evaluate between myself, (Dave Groeschner), and the front office, and make the decision collaboratively,” Posey replied. “We’ll take it day by day.”

        Manager Bruce Bochy said he has been told that Posey cannot do further damage by continuing to play, and both manager and catcher said they are confident Posey will be ready for opening day next season, even if he waits a few more games before having surgery. “

      • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:43 pm

        No further damage to his hip doesn’t mean any less 99 MPH foul tips to the brain…

  27. djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:03 pm

  28. Macdog said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:04 pm

    Finally . . .

    Austin power!

    • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:06 pm

      A Slater tater!

  29. Bozo said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:04 pm

    Hey a Home Run.

  30. snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:08 pm

    I’m in a Phoenix steakhouse bar watching a knob creek Manhattan and ribeye disappear and the Dbacks pregame. The AmyG counterpart is a 20s dynamite blonde…

  31. Lurker John said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    I hope ticket sales go straight in the shitter for the rest of this year and into next. Hit these fuckers right in the wallet. It seems like the only language the understand, cold hard cash. The apathy of the front office is mind-boggling. The fact that Posey is playing after the team admitted that he’ll need surgery is hard to understand. Hip surgery is not routine and takes quite a bit of time to recover from. What are they waiting for? Maybe a near-empty stadium will get them moving.

  32. Lurker John said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    The Musclehead is back. The team is saved.

  33. xoot said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:26 pm

    Stricknine is back. He fits right in.

    Imo the vast orange HR line in the wall in citi field sucks. Rebuild the walls.

    • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:37 pm

      I may be alone on this one, but I like the “basket” in the Wrigley outfield. It greatly reduces the chance for fan interference and if it were improved slightly it would completely eliminate it. Giants should put one up on their stupid RF wall…

  34. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:39 pm

    this is cool

  35. snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:41 pm

    Bozo, I read all that horse hockey from the Giants. Thanks. It’s crap. The season is lost, there is absolutely nothing to gain from delaying Poseys surgery so he can play tough guy or hero guy or whatever the reason is to play meaningless games instead of starting the healing and rehab ASAP. This is at last as idiotic as frequently playing one man short on the 25 roster …

    • Bozo said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:52 pm

      True, and I’m not saying I agree with the decision, I’m just saying that the article made it sound to me like Posey is directing what is going on.

  36. Macdog said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    Now that the hip injury news is out, it’s sad to watch Posey play. He usually rakes at Citi Field — he hit a HR in each of the three games there last year — but now he can’t get the ball past the infield, when he can hit the ball at all. I don’t know what he’s trying to prove by holding off this surgery, but as many of you have said, it needs to get done ASAP as there’s no guarantee when he’ll be ready to play once he’s recovered.

    • Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:47 pm

      would be interesting to know who’s calling the shots here. Can the Giants shut him down? Or does Posey just get to do what he wants? Serious question.

      • snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:53 pm

        I thought the same thing. This is a management decision. At least it should be. Who is paying the salary? Are they saying having the surgery now to add a month to rest and rehab adds absolutely nothing to the recovery process before next opening day? Horseshit…

      • Macdog said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:54 pm

        Baggs offered this explanation. Jeez, it’s always about the goddamn CBT:

      • Bozo said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:58 pm

        I’m not sure what the legalities are here, but can a team force someone into having surgery?

  37. djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    I’d say Hundley’s the clear choice for the Willie Mac Award.
    Can he still win it if he gets traded?

    • Macdog said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:55 pm

      Didn’t he win it last year? How about Will Smith?

      • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:59 pm

        Yeah, the Fresh Wince would be a good choice…

    • snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:57 pm

      That would make total sense for this Giants brain trust. Have Posey finish out September on one hip, while trading Hundley now for a couple sixes of Rolling Rock…

  38. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:55 pm

    One good argument for cleaning house in the front office is that it’s possible management loses its objectivity after being in place for so long. They clearly still are making decisions based on that magical core of players that won 3 in 5 (well, at least maybe the last 2 of those rings), even that was years ago. It’s like they haven’t even realized that time has passed. One thing about more stats-minded management, they’re probably able to be more objective about things. I’m not advocating that Sabes suddenly becomes Mr. Sabean-metric, but I just think the FO has lost the plot here and it’s time for a change.

    • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    • Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:59 pm

      not only is that a good argument, it’s the best argument.

  39. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 6:59 pm

    It would NOT impact the CBT # as long as they move McCutchen. They can bring up as many guys as they want at that point.

  40. snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    Just watched Goldy tomahawk one 20 rows into the LF seats for a two run Dong in the first frame for Dbacks. His 29th. Last night the Dbacks scored 5 to win, and their radio guys were ragging on them for not scoring enough…

    • Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm

      meanwhile we had to listen to Javy blather on with his “get em on, get em over get em in that’s the Giants way” bullshit after they scored that manufactured run earlier tonight….

  41. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    Slater could probably hit 75-80 bombs a year if he’d just swing for them a little more often. #that’showerollonthefarm #Cardinal #sunkendiamond4lyfe

  42. snarkk said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    Urban Meyer suspended for 3 weeks at Ohio State. Aren’t the first three games always the sacrificial lamb games before league? Just really really shocking he wasn’t fired…

    • Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:18 pm

      Ohio State wasn’t ever gonna fire him. They would hurt their program and as dirty as college football is, no program would have cut off their own balls like that.

  43. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    Clown– they can’t force him to have the surgery but they certainly can influence him one way or the other. If they think he’s hurt and he wouldn’t get cut they could just stop playing him. But I don’t think the team and Posey aren’t on the same page with whether or not to have it.
    I think Buster just does what he wants and he wants to play as long as he can. Certainly if he wanted to have it done now he would get it done now.
    I just wonder if the team has tried to influence him having it sooner rather than later. Or maybe they want him to play because they’re worried people won’t come to the games in Sept. Who knows.

    • zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:43 pm

      Also, these athletes are competitive. They’re the last ones to believe the season is over. The fans know before they do. I’m sure Pence thinks he’ll be a major leaguer next season.

      • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:59 pm

        He is as done as can be…

    • Bozo said, on August 22, 2018 at 8:16 pm

      Yeah, I don’t know either. The length of time that Buster and the Team have apparently been discussing this is weird to me but that doesn’t bug me all that much. What does bug me is if they all knew he couldn’t turn on a ball, why wasn’t he batting seventh or eighth in the LU?

      • unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 9:26 pm

        I said that 2 months ago and got ripped. At least 6th if there was no chance he was going to go yard.

  44. zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    Meyer will have to miss games against these three football powerhouses: Oregon St., Rutgers, and Texas Christian.

    • zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:52 pm

      Quite a punishment.

  45. zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 7:54 pm

    More stupid MLB baserunning, from the Cardinals this time.
    I can’t fathom what these guys are thinking. I’ve given up trying to understand the stupid baserunning we see all over MLB these days.

  46. alleykat69 said, on August 22, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    Here’s your shit catcher’s at Sac!
    Trevor Brown (well he has been to the show whatever) hitting a robust .244 Some dude named Ronnie Freeman tearing it up with a .239 avg and Aramis somebody think Garcia?a “shitload of soiled underwear”
    So yeah not much to look at come call up, no way in hell they trade Hundley, especially if Posey wises up a get the godamm surgery pronto..Rolling the snake eyes dice and say they go with Brown, besides like this team anything Brown flush it….

  47. Flavor said, on August 22, 2018 at 8:16 pm

    i can’t imagine having tix to a game in Sept and finding out Posey isn’t playing and canceling the trip.

    • wilcojoe said, on August 22, 2018 at 8:30 pm

      Exactly. Let’s face it, the Giants haven’t had a “can’t miss AB” type hitter since Bonds. Though I would say Panda’s AB’s in his first couple of seasons might qualify.

      • djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 8:33 pm

        Scutaro in 2012 – Bumgarner pre-dirt bike…

  48. djloo27 said, on August 22, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    I’m already not looking forward to the next 2 seasons, minimum…

    • alleykat69 said, on August 22, 2018 at 9:11 pm

      Amen Brother!
      I can’t stand ownership that constantly want to fuck the fan base over with their illogical thinking.Their all about the buck,but for ticket sales, concession, merchandise,parking, their new area back behind McCovey cove etc..
      Fuck making the team better, cause they have made plenty of bonehead decisions on that front,with ton of money tied up to worthless players, that their locked into, and no other team in their right minds want so enjoy the cellar with the Padres for the next few years..,

  49. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    Dodger pen strikes again! Cards tie it in the top of the 8th.

  50. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 22, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    Of course we must give props to this management team for the 3 in 5. But this same mgmt. team already demonstrated that they don’t always have far-seeing vision, witness the dismal years post-Bonds. The team knew Bonds would be retiring (or at least be finished) and that their practice of filling in pieces around Bonds would have to change, and yet, they seemed to still be operating in the same mindset, just trying to plug holes with the likes of Ryan Klesko, et al, before the ’09 team finally showed signs of waking up again. Craig has said it numerous times here; this mgmt. team wouldn’t even know how to do a rebuild… hence, this year’s filling of holes with Longo and Cutch, et al. I’d love to see them come up with a plan, share it with the fans, and move toward implementing it, instead of throwing shit against the outfield wall to see what sticks. Not sure they’re capable, and as long as Baer is focused more on the year to year bottom line, it ain’t gonna happen. New blood, man….

    • zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:01 pm

      Well said.

  51. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 9:43 pm

    Flaherty and Beuhler were both dealing. Why are the ESPN announcers all gaga for the dogs?

    Whatever they do the team is going to suck for the next couple years. Their fucking take is ‘we might as well suck with familiar faces’ I guess. Got 40,000 Pence bobbleheads to give away.

    The Posey thing is really stupid. If Posey thinks that playing on a bad hip is somehow proving something, I don’t know that it is. That he’s tough? Yay, you can muscle base hits through the hole. That he can play at 65% and still earn that fat check? You and Pence The team sez “‘don’t break down, we can’t afford to bring up your replacement?” None of it makes any fucking sense.

    Yes, the NCAA Must protect the integrity of the game. By giving Meyer a 3 week paid vacation. Jesus.

    Cards defense is lame.

  52. zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 9:59 pm

    Cards go yard on Jansen again!

  53. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:06 pm

    Jansen, 3 bombs in 2 games. Goitta love it.

  54. blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    Mac’s 6:54 nailed it regarding Posey. This is all about the luxury tax. Also, give props to Dirt’s 2:58 and Flav’s 6:59

    . . . They’re about to deal Cutch. With him gone, they have additional money besides the $300k luxury tax wiggle room cited in the article I provided earlier regarding the August waiver deadline.

  55. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:32 pm

    What the front office did was draft pitchers pretty much exclusively for about 10 years, starting in 2006 and Tim Lincecum. They hit on Bummie and Timmy (and Buster), and already had Cain for a solid starting staff and the pitcher whisperer. They paid a shit ton for the pen and there you have it. It worked when the home runs were down and pitching was at a premium, but the game has changed since the early teens. But even still those teams did hit home runs. These teams of the last couple years don’t.

    • zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:41 pm

      Posey hit 24 in ’12 and had 100+ RBIs.
      We thought his offensive prime would last longer than it did.

  56. unca_chuck said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:34 pm

    It’s also crazy seeing the Dusty effect. In that once he’s fired (at least the Cubs and Nats), the team he left falls.

  57. zumiee said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    Dodgers fall to 4 1/2 games behind the D-Backs and 3 behind the Rockies.
    I looked at the remaining schedules of all 3 teams, and the Dodgers seem to have the easiest and the D-Backs the most difficult.
    The Rockies just might quietly prevail at the end, but who knows.
    The Giants can be “spoilers,” for what it’s worth.
    Those last 3 games of the season vs. the Dodgers could be decisive for the Dodgers.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:41 pm

      I hope the Dodgers have MUST win games in that 3 game series against us. I’ll tune in for that. It would provide some solace in this shit sandwich of a season to keep them out of the “dance.”

  58. mrsprtdude said, on August 22, 2018 at 10:59 pm

    Belt should be worried. The hip labrum is the cartridge that is torn if they are talking hip surgery. Labrums tear with compressive end range hip flexion ( catchers squat anyone?), and quick forceful rotation ( popping up and rotating as a runner stealing 2nd?). No way Buster comes back as a catcher.

    My guess is he wants to play some more games behind the dish because he loves it, the Giants love him, and he has been told his days as a catcher are over…


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