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Closing Problems

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 26, 2018

Even though that was a pretty meaningless mid-Aug game vs 2 teams who suck, that was a pretty ballsy move by Bochy to hook Smith and bring in Melancon. Did you guys see the look on Smith’s face? He wasn’t having that. And to bring in Melatonin? The risk of exposing yourself as a dumbass was high. But hey, it worked out. On one hand, Bochy needs to see if he can count on Double M for more than just mop up duty next year. On the other hand, why piss off your closer like that?

Our Japanese ace goes today for the series win….

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  1. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 6:52 am

    rough night for closers, as Zum noted. Box blew another one and Span homered (his 10th) for M’s W in AZ.
    And yes 0-5 Jansen gave up another bomb and the Padres tied the game against him.

    I was lqtm watching Span highlights on MLB last night. Span and Melancon bail their teams out in the same day and earth doesn’t spin off its axis.

    • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 7:24 am

      I noticed Span slightly changed his batting stance. He doesn’t hunch down as the pitcher goes into his motion like he was doing for the Giants. Maybe the Seattle or Tampa Bay hitting coach talked him out of that strange movement.

      • willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 10:40 am

        Span has .850 OPS for the M’s in couple hundred ABs after leaving Rays, lol. Overall it’s .810, .450 slugging and .360 OB; pretty impressive numbers in his contract year. Kinda funny to see him knock one into the f-ing pool out there to beat the. DBax.

        Earlier this year someone told me he would have kept him as LF and Arroyo for 3b and not done the trade for Longo.
        Thoughts?

      • Bozo said, on August 26, 2018 at 11:58 am

        Willie- I wasn’t that big on Arroyo, not enough pop for a corner guy for my tastes. If they moved him to 2B, or they went out and got a power hitting 2B then OK I guess. I feel like the Giants planned on adding an OFer so it was either Pence or Span that had to go, I doubt anyone wanted Pence.

  2. Lurker John said, on August 26, 2018 at 10:37 am

    Span has been solid for the M’s. Of course he has, he’s not on the Giants anymore.

  3. snarkk said, on August 26, 2018 at 11:17 am

    I saw that Holland snippet. Pretty lame. Not sure why the trainer agreed to be in on it. Plus, MLB put it on, what were they thinking? Anyway, I want Holland back next season, he shouldn’t cost too much, they need starting arms, he’s been pretty decent. Giants don’t like PR messes like that, not at all. So, that definitely puts him on the Baer S list for now, maybe forever…

  4. Bozo said, on August 26, 2018 at 11:46 am

    I would say the look on Smith’s face was part surprise, with some pissed off and topped off with some WTF. It was his 3rd straight day pitching and he was up to 66 pitches for those 3 days. I’m not sure if that is a lot for a Closer, but I’m sure glad the move panned out.

  5. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    Twins put a 4 man OF shift on A’s LH M Olson. 3b Sano moved to SS spot but nearer 2b, SS moved to deep 2b and 2b Forsythe into the OF, leaving almost entire left side of IF open. Olson popped up short RF, fielded by Polanco the SS.

  6. snarkk said, on August 26, 2018 at 12:17 pm

    Here is Arroyo’s stat line for 2018 Rays, in 53 ABs.
    .264 .339 .396 .735
    He’s on the 40 man, playing in AAA Durham. His season OPS there is under .650…

  7. snarkk said, on August 26, 2018 at 12:21 pm

    In 423 ABs so far with Rays, Duffy is at:
    .296 .354 .369 .723
    So, is Longo doing better than Duffy and Arroyo? Yes, compared to Arroyo. Duffy? Eh, maybe not given it’s debatable that he is worth that massive contract down the road. Duffy has fewer HRs (4) and only 33 RBIs…

    • Lurker John said, on August 26, 2018 at 12:26 pm

      Complete coincidence that I posted about Duffy below. BoSox-Rays is on TBS.

  8. Lurker John said, on August 26, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    Matt Duffy up to .300 after going 3 for 3 so far today. Nice bounce-back season for him.

  9. Lurker John said, on August 26, 2018 at 12:37 pm

    The Rays are an interesting young team to watch. They have a lot of talent and play some exciting baseball. This kid Snell on the mound today looks pretty dominant. They could be a factor in the next few years, or even this year as they’re right in the WC mix.

    • Lurker John said, on August 26, 2018 at 12:39 pm

      They’re up 7-1 today and on the verge of sweeping the first place Sox.

  10. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    Arroyo looked better with glove than a bat to me and like Bozo said wasn’t going to hit HRs. I’m OK with Longo.
    Rays are rolling creeping closer to A’s, who have big series with M’s coming up.
    Always a trip to see who is hot/not—Reds are about to lose 5th in a row as Cubs win 5th. NL Central a real battle. Nats shutout 3 days in a row.

  11. Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 1:15 pm

    Duffy has very little power, no speed, if he were here he’d just be someone we complain about. He’s like a lot of guys we have here–weak and slow

    • Lurker John said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:53 pm

      Yeah? They love him in Tampa.

      • blade3colorado said, on August 26, 2018 at 5:46 pm

        Agree with your take LJ. I loved the kid. Besides that, our fortunes began to go south when Duffy left. Bad juju.

  12. xoot said, on August 26, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    wow, that Rangers’ RF sure misplayed triples alley on Longo’s drive. Puts me in mind of Vlad the Misplayer back in 2010–but that was bit more momentous and he stumbled on the line, in the pen. But still.

    And Longo goes home heads up. I like that guy. I don’t yet like the contract. Probably never will. But we could do a lot worse, and money’s not going to be the problem in a year or two. . . .

    • willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 1:29 pm

      yeah nice hustle. Smart move from 3b; didn’t think that got far enough away for him to score.

  13. Bozo said, on August 26, 2018 at 1:49 pm

    Wrong game Hunter, you’re playing baseball not soccer.

    • xoot said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:01 pm

      yeah, talk about misplayers. Weak arm, too. I remember 2014, we headed into the PS with one legit SP and one legit OF and things turned out just fine. Hunter’s demise since then has not been fun to watch.

      • xoot said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:03 pm

      • Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:07 pm

        #saladdays

      • Bozo said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:14 pm

        It seemed like he just went downhill fast. You could pencil him everyday, middle of the order guy and he could even play some in Center if needed.

      • Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:21 pm

        Giants have had a lot of guys go downhill fast—Timmy. Cain. Buster.

      • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:35 pm

        It seemed like downhill for Pence ever since that pitch broke his arm in Spring Training ’15. Wouldn’t surprise me if he has chronic pain in that arm when he swings a bat.

      • xoot said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:52 pm

        I think Pence’s congenital spinal disability has done him in.

  14. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    boom kid nails hanging breaking ball.

  15. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:31 pm

    Panik, not again. Cutch gets on and he F-s it up. Move the runner ova, brutha.
    I think he just needs a change of scenery; never been my fav guy but he’s a better player than what he’s shown this year.

  16. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:47 pm

    Baggs tweeting re: Baer podcast with Kawakami article in The Athletic (subscription only): “This is an excellent sketch of what the Giants will do” this offseason. Apparently nothing major til at least 2020.

    • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:50 pm

      Baer is confident he can put lipstick on the pig for next season.

    • xoot said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:54 pm

      cut costs, ignore low attendance, make a fortune elsewhere while the losses provide good draft slots, and then rebuild.

  17. xoot said, on August 26, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    Holland-san did pretty well today.

    • willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:04 pm

      sensei Watson picked him up nicely too.

  18. zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    Brian Murphy:
    “Sabean gave an interview to John Shea of the Chronicle this week, stating that because of the Giants’ robust season-ticket fan base, a “total rebuild” or “complete face lift” is not the plan.
    He didn’t state the plan for 2019, but that’s either because they haven’t hatched one, or because he doesn’t want to tip his hand.
    All we know is, the next five weeks will be a combination of relishing the great game of baseball in the team’s beautiful home yard, and painfully watching the black-and-orange play out the string for the second year in a row.
    The Giants haven’t missed the playoffs in consecutive years since the 2004-09 void, when Barry Bonds was heading out and Tim Lincecum was heading in.
    We may be looking at a similar stretch. Joey Bart is a year or two away. Chris Shaw needs to cut down on strikeouts, but has power. Another decent draft pick awaits next summer.
    This is our lot, Giants fans. If the window is shutting, at least the window gave a spectacular view for three trips down Market Street. Good times can’t last forever. We hunker down for winter at the corner of Third and King.”

    • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:40 pm

      Murphy co-hosts the Murph and Mac Show on KNBR in the morning, if you don’t know.

    • xoot said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:40 pm

      Bryan Murphy’s a hack He’s better on golf than on the Giants and I hate golf

      • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:45 pm

        I have a hard time telling Murph and Mac apart on the air. Similar voices and similar personalities.

      • Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 4:33 pm

        i like them now. I think they’ve both come a long way as morning hosts

  19. Macdog said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:42 pm

    Mel yeah!

  20. zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    Hey, Mel closed it out.
    The Seattle closer has like 50 saves, but good for Mel.

  21. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    Yeah. No closing problems today anyway.

  22. Bozo said, on August 26, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    Bring on the Snakes.

    • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 4:27 pm

  23. Stan Shell said, on August 26, 2018 at 4:01 pm

    Here I am watching this fucking game, weeks after I swore off the Giants for the rest of the year. Sigh…
    And to think I was NOT going to get DTV BB package this year! I guess I’ll watch them ’till I join TF in the New Polo Grounds. Speaking of the Twinner, I think he would have blasted those of us that are bummed this year as being Doomers. That was one of his favorites for me. But, I guess that we should be pleased that DRod, and others were almost found money this year. Considering the injuries I think Longoria is fine as well as McCutchen. Twin would be primed for next year already.
    Lurker, I share your amazement that their seems to be many who leave the Giants and flourish elsewhere. But maybe it’s the way all fans feel.

  24. zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    The Padres were hamburger all weekend.
    Dodgers got two games closer to the D-Backs.
    Next opponent for the Dodgers? That awesome Rangers team the Giants just faced.

  25. Macdog said, on August 26, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    The Giants have surpassed last year’s win total.

    • djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 4:52 pm

      That’s like a donkey surpassing my SAT score…

  26. Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    Shit I just saw that the Twins ALSO let Anibal Sanchez go this Spring. He’s had an outstanding year for the Braves. Jesus, who is making the calls over there regarding pitching?

  27. Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    when was the last time we had a young buck like this do something this exciting?

  28. Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    here ya go, Zum. There are like 3 Beatles songs I don’t hate, this is one of them

    • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 6:51 pm

      Thanks! The song is as great and as relevant as ever.
      I love how the song opens with Paul singing “Hey,” with no musical introduction. Such an intimate way to open a recording. And, of course, by the end, the song has built up into an anthem.

      • Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 6:53 pm

        i thought you’d like it

      • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 6:55 pm

        That clip didn’t have the whole song, unfortunately. 🙂

      • djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 7:03 pm

        It will always remind me of the great NYC teacher strike of 1968.
        Probably my happiest childhood memory…

    • djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 6:54 pm

      Ya don’t dig the flip side?

      • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 6:56 pm

        I can’t get the link to work.

      • djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 6:58 pm

        I fixed it, I think…

      • Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:24 pm

        can’t stand this one. I dislike almost all Beatles tunes except Hey Jude, Yesterday….and I think one other…Elanor Rigby, that’s the one

      • djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:28 pm

        I related to the lyrics of “Yesterday” as a 9 year old.
        I knew it was over for me at 7…

      • Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:40 pm

        lol, it was *over* at 7

      • djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:41 pm

        When Eleanor Rigby was out, I always thought of this guy when I heard Father MacKenzie.
        Still do…

  29. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 26, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    I remember at the time liking Hey Jude but loving Revolution. I had always wished the Beatles would rock out a bit more, as they did on Revolution. I didn’t really realize it at the time, but apparently John was ostracized by the anti-war protest crowd for showing his hand for peaceful protest, no violence. Revolution may have been one of the early signs of his whole give peace a chance stance….

  30. Macdog said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    Here’s the full version:

    • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:37 pm

      Thanks!

  31. djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    I could write something depressing about getting old, but who needs that…

  32. zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    Yeah, “Revolution” is a great one, too.
    And very relevant still, too. The power of non-violent protest. You win more people over that way then through violence.

    • djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:43 pm

      It was slightly misinterpreted by Manson…

      • xoot said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:52 pm

        Helter Skelter should’ve been the flip side

  33. zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    The Beatles could be counted on to put ridiculously good songs on the B-sides of 45s.

    • Flavor said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:41 pm

      3 songs fit on 1.5 45’s. back of the 2nd one would be blank. Hey now!

  34. zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    I guess I’ll never understand anyone not totally digging the Beatles, but oh well.
    I recently watched a clip of the Beatles playing “Help” in concert. John introduced the song by saying: “This is our latest single, or our latest electronic noise, depending on what side you’re on.” Oh man, those guys were so cool.
    I wasn’t even really aware of the Beatles until they’d already broken up.

    • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 8:53 pm

      Here’s the clip. My memory of his quote was pretty close. 🙂

      • djloo27 said, on August 26, 2018 at 9:02 pm

        Excellent, Zumie.
        Disliking the Beatles is like disliking pizza or your family.
        Well, pizza anyway…

      • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 9:14 pm

        The Beatles have brought so many people so many happy moments, it’s almost unreal. Did it really happen? It really happened. Four guys from Liverpool conquered the world with an unstoppable outpouring of great recordings during an amazing 10 year period. There are over 200 Beatles songs. That’s about 20 per year. Crazy!

  35. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    Until FM stations came around late ’60s all you had was AM radio, dominated by Top 40.
    Beatles tunes Stones tunes dominated and whenever new hit single came out that was all you heard. Satisfaction played all day and night, for months. As kids we always had the LPs.
    Sometimes the first LP, like Doors or Eric Burdon’s Animals, was just they best ever did.
    There was always music on in our house…Giants baseball too.

    My buddies had cars and riding around fav thing to do was punch the buttons on the AM radio in middle of dash.
    there were big 3 in bay area plus I used to listen to KDIA “lucky13” 1310 at night. Sly Stone was a DJ there but there were also a lot of white guys doing the soul music DJ thing.

    • zumiee said, on August 26, 2018 at 9:21 pm

      Yeah, I had a car in the late ’70s that had the push-buttons. Those were cool. I think I blew the speakers out at some point, though.
      I didn’t want to buy a stereo for the car, though, because everyone I knew was getting them stolen all the time. Car security was lousy in those days.
      I had a friend who finally got a stereo that was made to be removable, and when he parked, he would put the stereo in the trunk.

  36. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 26, 2018 at 9:23 pm

    I get why some people don’t *like* the Beatles, but I never really understood how people didn’t see the importance of the Beatles. They changed everything, amazingly prolific, and every album during that 6-year or so period was different and groundbreaking in some way. Read an interview with Michael Stipe once wherein he considered Beatles’ music to just be elevator musac. That to me was an incredibly arrogant and ignorant thing for him to say but maybe he was just saying it to be *cool*. My parents tolerated the Beatles always playing in our house (my older sister was a big fan), but they eventually would learn to miss the Beatles so much once we kids started cranking late ’60s gems like James Gang, Zep, the Who, and Black Sabbath….

    • Flavor said, on August 27, 2018 at 5:40 am

      i see how they changed things and I see why people, at the time, were drawn to that music. But music got a lot better after that……

  37. snarkk said, on August 26, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    If you are into the Beatles, or even if you are not, I recommend you link on youtube to the Paul McCartney version of Carpool Karaoke. It takes a while, but you won’t regret it…

  38. willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    We watched all the music we could on TV too, Bandstand especially. Seeing someone like Jackie Wilson dancing around or Chuck Berry just blew me away, Everly Bros too.
    It’s so cool all this stuff is on youtube. On the Stones LP “Out of Our Heads” they do a very faithful rendition of Sam Cooke’s beautiful “Good Times” and it’s great to see them in black and white from those days. them and Beatles set off wave of good bands Brit Invasion.

  39. James said, on August 26, 2018 at 10:01 pm

    This is my favorite Beatles tribute:

    • willedav said, on August 26, 2018 at 10:14 pm

      ha thx man.
      Most interesting thing to me in K Richards bio was him talking about how he got his sound and the various people he borrowed from to get what he was hearing in his head. They listened to a lot of American blues and r/b and he said their first real goal was to be best blues band in England.

  40. blade3colorado said, on August 27, 2018 at 12:47 am

    Shaking my head about our local scribes . . . This dude in Boston knows more about what’s what in SF than our “head in the sand” sports writers.

    Apparently, Atlanta was interested in Posey; Yanks with Bum (Gmen apparently wanted too much); and McCutchen also was mentioned. Also, he had some good stuff about Wade Boggs – talking about pitching now and when he played, as well as good comments about defense.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/25/wade-boggs-has-ideas-help-rafael-devers-defense/c5aDLq9oqzI0bLK06W9XjJ/story.html


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