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September Meltdown Continues

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 7, 2018

Milwaukee may be the worst team in the league if you follow Kato Kaelin’s twitter feed. He’s hands down the most annoying baseball fan I’ve ever seen. He’s not much of a neighbor, either.

@kato_kaeilin

Regardless, Anderson should quiet our bats rather quickly and the Brewers should be pounding the suds by a little after 9pm central time…..

I’m starting to wonder if my rock solid 6 September win prediction was nothing more than a blind fan’s wild overshot…..

I would love to pick Twin’s brain right now on where he thinks we are as an organization  and whether he believes the game has passed Sabean and Bochy by…..

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  1. blade3colorado said, on September 7, 2018 at 7:34 am

    McCovey Chronicles had a poll . . .

    Are you confident in the front office going forward?

    25%
    Yes
    (130 votes)

    75%
    No
    (396 votes)

    526 votes total

    As well as this article about the Front Office plan of action to fix this shit. I have no idea what this fuck is talking about (i.e., he equivocates throughout and sounds like he trusts Sabes and Evans to fix this. LOL).

    https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2018/9/6/17828806/are-you-confident-in-the-front-office-going-forward-sf-giants-bobby-evans-brian-sabean-rebuilding

    • snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:34 am

      Looks like primarily a kiss butt article on Giants FO, as if nobody else can fix this.
      Melancon may be “penciled in” as the 2019 closer partly because of his “late 2018 performance”? Huh?…

  2. willedav said, on September 7, 2018 at 7:54 am

    mm not sure Twin would wholly agree with that. the game has changed sure, but pitching still matters quite a lot. The better teams hit bombs yes but also have good to great pitching even in hitter friendly yards. Giants pitching is improved but too many meltdowns (Watson now with 4 blown saves) and SPs not good on the road.

    The Dodgers, for all the bombs they hit– 200 and leading the league–have only 6th best record in the NL.
    They have bunch of guys who play part time and are often platooned such as Pederson K Hernandez and Grandal. All these guys have 19-22 bombs with some bad splits involved. They are 2 WAR players not making lot of $$. These are the types of guys Giants don’t have; one or two of them would definitely help.

    I do think Sabes is frustrated that guys he counted on did not perform as well as he envisioned. Cutch hit 28 bombs last year—SF took him on 1 yr deal and he hit half as many and OPS dropped 90 points.
    Belt was hitting .300 with 11 bombs first 2 months before appendicitis. Since then 3 bombs and no month higher than .680. Same thing with Crawford and Longo brief hot streaks followed by longer droughts. None of the above caught fire and had steady production over course of the season. Which might mean he “goes in different direction.”

  3. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:26 am

    Get out of here with the Room B nonsense!

  4. unca_chuck said, on September 7, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    That article is the rosiest of rose-colored viewing. They aren’t quick about anything. They haven’t reacted to the changing baseball landscape these past 5 seasons. They have made bold moves in the past, and they kind of worked but until 2010, they were flailing and not quite getting it right.

    Their saving grace was drafting Cain, Panda, Timmy, Bummie, Buster, and Crawford, signing retreat guys that paid dividends like Huff, Pat the Bat, Cody Ross, and Glasschez, etc, and the radical idea of paying the pen guys a lot to keep them here.

    It was the perfect storm of good shit coming together at the right time. But that reality has bit them in the ass these last few seasons with the Smargle, Longo, Melonhead FA signings, and the fact they thought they were doing the right thing in locking these young guys down like Belt, Buster, Pence, and Crawfish. All of this guarantees we are in contract hell for the next couple three years.

    Can they recapture lightning in a bottle? I seriously don’t think they can for the next 3 seasons of these guys are in place. If they stick with this mentality, they’d might as well keep Bochy and drive the team back into 98 loss territory and get the draft picks. Last year’s draft won’t be heard of for another couple yeqrs. The 2015 draft is just getting its feet wet in Shaw, Suarez, and Duggar.

  5. unca_chuck said, on September 7, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    I agree with Snarkk’s POTD, but it overlooks the fact that the Cards have consistently drafted well.

    They just went through a sea change in the player personnel and scouting department last year but we won’t know how things are going for another couple years.

  6. unca_chuck said, on September 7, 2018 at 12:35 pm

    And it looks like my call of 9 wins was wildly optimistic.

  7. unca_chuck said, on September 7, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    I wonder if this even drew a flag . . .

    • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 2:37 pm

      It doesn’t play on my computer, Chuck. Buchanan’s number was 86 if he’s in it somewhere…

      • unca_chuck said, on September 7, 2018 at 4:12 pm

        No. 78.

      • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 4:30 pm

        That’s the great LB Bobby Bell.
        SanDog sent me his old FB card just a couple of weeks ago.
        I’m looking right at it. Another Flap coincidence!

      • willedav said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:29 pm

        oh yeah. Lot of people said he was one of best college players ever. And dang good pro too.

  8. djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 3:08 pm

    McCutchen is 1-16 (.063) – No HRS – No RBIs as a Yankee. Haven’t watched him, but I’ve heard he’s been solid in the field anyway. The complaints on the radio shows have begun…

    • blade3colorado said, on September 7, 2018 at 3:19 pm

      Good to hear Cutch is exceeding his high level of SF Giants performance.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 7, 2018 at 4:13 pm

      They have a ton of firepower around hum. He’s likely a defensive replacement anyway. He isn’t starting, is he?

      • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 4:38 pm

        He’s started all 4 games they’ve played since he arrived.
        Lead off twice and hit 3rd twice…

      • Flavor said, on September 7, 2018 at 5:02 pm

        Cutch is playing his way to a 1 year offer next year, probably in the 7 mil range. That may be high.

  9. Flavor said, on September 7, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    still looks like a badass. My buddy used to sell fuel to the company that flew the Warriors around years ago. He said there was a guy assigned to Nellie on the plane just to make sure he would get off safely. Said he sometimes had to put his arm around him to get him off the plane he was so drunk.

  10. willedav said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:28 pm

    boom Hanson ties things up on one pitch.

  11. willedav said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:33 pm

    J Kidd of Oaktown in b-ball HOF. Saw him play HS ball for St. Joe’s Alameda where he won 2 state titles. Looked like man among boys steaming up court at breakneck speed with that high dribble.

  12. Lurker John said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    Cutch made a huge boner on a fairly routine fly ball against the A’s the other night that cost them a couple of runs, so, no, he hasn’t been perfect in the field. It looked a lot like he looked here. The Yankees announcers were trying to figure out what the hell he was doing.

    • snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:39 pm

      I hope to hell he improves, and does a good job for the Yanks.
      So they trust SF in the offseason when Sabean tries to get a king’s ransom for Bum, I hope…

  13. Lurker John said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

    Who doesn’t enjoy watching Bradshaw get knocked on his keister over and over again? I seriously doubt Bell was flagged on that play, not back then.

    • snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:42 pm

      If Brady played in the days of Montana and Marino and LT, he’d already be retired, walk with a limp, and would have played in 3 fewer Super Bowls…

  14. snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:40 pm

    Hanson looking more and more like next year’s 2nd baseman.
    Panik should check in with his agent and Bekins…

  15. blade3colorado said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:54 pm

    Love this guy Yelich. I really wish the Giants could have signed him versus the Brew crew.

  16. zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    Wow! on Nellie’s new look. It’s like watching Walter White transform.

  17. blade3colorado said, on September 7, 2018 at 7:01 pm

    Good battle between Holland and Schoop.

  18. snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 7:12 pm

    Gotta give it up to Holland.
    The dude has been “bend, not break” all season.
    Unspectcular, but solid.
    I remember I saw him pitch 3 frames in ST, and I reported here he looked solid, with a good repertoire of pitches, decent control, and though the occasional frozen rope was hit, he got it done. That’s pretty much what he’s done all year.
    If he pitched for a team that could actually score runs, he’d have a pretty decent W-L record.
    He shouldn’t cost too much; they absolutely need to re-sign his ass for next season…

  19. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 7, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    Reading that Ode to Brian and Booby, it now becomes perfectly clear what the problem is and why many of us have lost faith in the FO — according to the writer, Sabes and Evans have a “sober view” of the situation. Damn, Kat needs to take ’em out for a skink-on evening, or Snarrk’s whisky tour, or Craig/SanDawg’s Reno adventures…

  20. snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 7:35 pm

    Watson has just been rendered fairly ineffective now due to Bochy’s overuse of him in the first half…

    • willedav said, on September 7, 2018 at 7:53 pm

      No. He’s pitched same amount of innings as Dyson and Moronta and he rarely is used for more than 1 inning tops. He’s walking too many guys and getting beat by LHs, the guys he’s supposed to get out. The only other LH guy is blach who isn’t fooling lot of guys either. I’d rather see Watson than Okert.
      bochy gets blamed for everything…it’s old news. He ain’t the one with the ball in his hand.

      • snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:09 pm

        Bochy needs to retire to the fishing boat…

    • xoot said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:02 pm

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      • xoot said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:03 pm

        If anything, Smith’s return gave Watson something of a break in the second half.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:06 pm

      My observation is that he’s still very effective . . . Prior to this outing, he’s had 2 hiccups in August and September – one in Sherpaland for 2 runs and one against the Mets, where he definitely was putrid, giving up 4 runs. Otherwise, he gave up zero runs in his 10 other August and September appearances.

      In my opinion, this outing is mostly on Strickland, who put the 2 players on.

      • willedav said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:13 pm

        yes. same thing cost them the other night when Moronta walked guys vs. Rox. Holland pitched around them tonite, others can’t seem to do that.

      • snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:17 pm

        Moronta has been a total bright spot.
        Bochy has brought him into several white hot bags loaded situations and he has pitched his way out of those with no blood. Moronta has been a stud…

  21. blade3colorado said, on September 7, 2018 at 7:35 pm

    Pfffttt (proper spelling Flav . . . hahaha)

  22. Flavor said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    We lit Holland up in the 2010 WS. I forget which game. He’s been around a long time. 2010 was a long time ago.

    • snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:05 pm

      Holland is a bright spot this season…

  23. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:06 pm

    Odd story about the 2 Tigers’ broadcasters on Fox Sports Detroit getting into a fight after a game, and now banished from broadcasting for the rest of the season. Wonder what that fanatic fan guy has to say about that. Imagine K and K doing that? Nah…. Kuip is too busy eating in the post-game to fight about anything…

    • snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:08 pm

      Lulz…

  24. zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    My 10 win prediction looks delusional now.

  25. snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    Giants sucking donkey dong in September. 6 losses in a row. I said they’d crater down the stretch, and they are.
    At least they are sucking while playing a few younger players. That’s a plus. Shaw actually hit a ground out tonight for an RBI. Progress.
    By end of the season, they’ll still be one of the worst teams in all MLB over the last two and one half seasons by record. Possibly the absolute worst. If you don’t blow management and the roster up after that, when will you?…

  26. willedav said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Since it bugs me to see it up there, I have a few words re: the POTD.

    The Cards, for 94 games, were just like the giants a .500 team at 48-46. Their GM is the same guy who extended Matheny a year ago and signed D Fowler. He’ out for the year, is putting up Pence numbers with .576 OPS and is owed $50 mil for 3 more years.

    2nd half their hitters got hot and they went 31-16. They scored 148 runs in August; their run diff was flat and then went up 60. F/G had column on them and other than moving a couple players around it’s the same team. D Carpenter exploded and now Ozuna who has 4 bombs this week has started to hit too.
    Does the mgr have much to do with this? F/G didn’t really think so and I don’t either. the players got hot and they scored most runs all season. they lost to awful Detroit tonite as their pen gave up walk off bomb and they’ve lost 4 of 6. Again, is this on the mgr?

    Hey the Cards have a team I like and I’d love to have few of the players they have drafted. but, lot of them seem to only be good for a year or two. A Diaz was AS ss, then fell apart and got traded. The new SS De Jong hit 25 bombs last year with .800 OPS. this year the OPS is .728, league avg or below.

    • snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:15 pm

      Bochy gets major credit for geniusing 3 WS wins.
      So, he gets no credit for the last 2 1/2 seasons of crap?
      At least he woke up with 2 outs in the 9th tonight; long enough to get tossed…

  27. blade3colorado said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:20 pm

    I’m happy to see Okert do well – one inning pitched with 3 Ks. There was talk of him being released outright.

  28. snarkk said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:22 pm

    Flemm said tonight that Milwaukee roster vs. SF roster tonight was +81 in HRs. That’s crazy. Even given that the Brewers’ yard is a launching pad. Like BF emphasizes, Giants have to find a way to get power into the LU the next several years. It’s the only way they can compete…

  29. willedav said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:24 pm

    Something else about Bochy using Watson and Strick plus regulars like Hundley Panik belt Craw yada yada.
    Rox Brewers and next up teams Braves Cards and Dodgers are all fighting for their lives in division and WC races. Bochy is trying to win as many games and stay competitive as opposed to tanking and using all rooks and Pierce Johnsons etc in clutch situations. And tonite Shaw and Hanson accounted for 2 runs and Slater hit 2nd.

    It’s important to put best guys out there often enough so there isn’t any sense of hey why you play scrubs vs. them but not us? Still bugs me Rockies in ’93 let Braves walk all over them 4 times and cost SF pennant.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:37 pm

      It’s actually worse than that Willie. The fucking 1993 Rockies went 0-13 against the Braves that season. I’ve hated them ever since that season . . . made worse by 2004, when the Astros swept them over the final weekend of the season . . . The Giants needed them to win one ($&%^#@ game in order to force a one-game playoff for the wild card. Bastards.

  30. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:24 pm

    It’s always a somewhat interesting debate, just how much the manager affects wins/losses. There are even stats for that, and from what I can tell, most stats say the manager *might* affect the results of just a few games per year. More likely, it could come down to intangibles that can’t be measured, how players might be intrinsically more motivated playing for a different manager, and nothing to do with on-field decisions the manager makes. I remember one season, late ’80s in Boston, coulda been a year maybe 2 years after the ’86 Series implosion, Sox fired John McNamara at the break as the team was right around .500, and replaced him with a folksy popular coach, Tollway Joe Morgan. Sox proceeded to open the 2nd half with something like 11 or 12 straight wins and vaulted right back into the post-season picture. Morgan often made strange in-game decisions, but the team liked playing for him. Just the way it goes sometimes.

  31. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    Tollway Joe Morgan was quite the character. Managed by hunches, mostly. One game Sox were losing in late innings, put a couple runners on, and he called Jim Rice back from the on-deck circle and pinch-hit light-hitting Spike Owen for Rice. Owen delivered, Sox eventually won on a walk-off HR by Todd Benzinger. When Rice was called back, he grabbed Morgan by the shirt collar and dragged him into the tunnel. Rice was gone from the clubhouse by the time Benzinger hit his HR. Players rallied around Morgan, and that was the beginning of the end for Rice in Boston. Morgan got his nickname because he worked in the off-season driving a snowplow around the tollbooths on the Mass Pike. His lively and funny post-game interviews were the opposite of the usual mumblings we often see.

    • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 8:55 pm

      Where else can you get great stuff like this from Banh Bao?

      • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:08 pm

        FYI, Banh Bao (my nickname over here) is a white doughy sweet pastry stuffed with various meats. I don’t eat them much, too sweet for me… Despite popular belief, it’s not my nickname because I’m a sweet white doughy fuck. Name came from a long-ago local lovely who couldn’t pronounce Paul and said Pao and it became Banh Bao….

      • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:11 pm

        I thought it was the capital of the country you’re in.
        Good luck finding someone dumber than me.
        Up until a week ago, I thought Hep C was an energy drink…

  32. djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:00 pm

    I don’t know a damn thing about the Giant game tonight and don’t care.
    Saw Cutch homer in the bar. No one gave a fuck here, either.
    Indifference rules…

  33. djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    How much for a studio apartment in Banh Bao? I don’t need much.
    If I outlive my cat, I’m gone…

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:09 pm

      A few hundred bucks a month or less, easy,.

  34. zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    I really hope the Rockies don’t just fizzle against the Dodgers this weekend.

  35. zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    It’s being reported that Nike’s online sales went up 31% this past week.

    • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:15 pm

      What does that tell you?

      • zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:28 pm

        Nike has a unique knack for using controversy to keep their product edgy and “street-wise.” It really is remarkable. The vast majority of businesses flee from controversy.

  36. zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:24 pm

    It’s always a little weird to find out a broadcasting team doesn’t like each other. That was true when Boomer Esiason was teamed with Al Michaels.

    • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:28 pm

      I don’t think Cosell and Gifford were too tight…

      • zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:31 pm

        TF’s dad absolutely despised Cosell’s broadcasting style. It was in a book that TF recommended.

      • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:36 pm

        Poor Twin. No one here ever met him as far as I know…

      • zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:41 pm

        I regret not talking to him on the phone. I tried a couple of times, but didn’t get through, and so I gave up.

      • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:28 pm

        Not your worst post…

      • xoot said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:40 pm

        I called him once, at the hospital after surgery. They said they’d put a note in his message file. Later on the splash, when ST started TF thanked me. Even later, when he got deranged, he started modifying my posts on this blog when we argued. He weren’t no saint.

      • xoot said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:46 pm

        also, I once very sincerely offered to hire transportation — towncar, ambulance, whatever — to bring TF to the Oakland courthouse to meet me and sophrystyne (or whatever his name was) inside the metal detectors. Soph declined.

      • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:51 pm

        I got a kick out of Soph.
        Would’ve been great have “her” here in a season like this…

      • xoot said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:56 pm

        yeah, she could weep while jogging around the nonexistent Pacific Union Club track that she loved so much

  37. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:40 pm

    Yeah, Loo, I thought about it sometimes when I was visiting the US and staying in the Bay Area sometimes, but just one of those things I never put into action, driving up to see him…. wish I woulda.

    • zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:47 pm

      Several years ago, Dirt (I think) put the idea to him that some of us could pick him up and take him to a Giants game, but he turned it down. He said he just didn’t think he could physically do it. He sounded regretful that he never got to go to AT&T Park.

    • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:49 pm

      Well you can still visit Stix…

      • zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 9:58 pm

        Don’t think I’ll be in the upper Midwest in the next few years. 🙂

      • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:02 pm

        I’ll always believe Stix would’ve walked if not for all the mass shootings in recent years…

      • zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:14 pm

        Yeah, if the state had released him and (against all odds) Stix had later shot a law enforcement officer, some heads would have rolled over that.

      • zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:17 pm

        Unfortunately for Stix, he does fit the stereotype for a certain type of mass shooter. Old loner white guy angry at the government.

      • djloo27 said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:21 pm

        “The UnaRaker”

      • zumiee said, on September 7, 2018 at 10:42 pm

        Ha!

        Hopefully Stix is hanging in there and will get his freedom again sooner than we realize.

  38. willedav said, on September 8, 2018 at 7:04 am

    Giants could have fired Bochy last night but it wouldn’t change things or fix what’s wrong with them imo. Kinda like when hockey coach pulls the goalie for the back up—yeah he might have given up a soft one but more about sending message to the others who played in front of him that you need to be better out there.

    bottom line Belt Craw Panik and Longo aren’t turning into M Carpenter with his 35 bombs and .950 OPS with new guy at helm and it ain’t fixing pen or making the injury riddled team healthier.


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