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Trade Our What?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 18, 2018

As I prepare the household to receive the glorious booty that AMPM is shipping to me, I was thinking of what i heard on KNBR yesterday afternoon. Franny and Tolbert were discussing how critical it will be for the Giants to trade pitching this off season for hitting. This was one of the dumber things I heard anyone say yesterday (radio or in person). Of course I would universally support trading Bumgarner but that isn’t going to happen. And nobody else really holds any value. Plus, we kinda need those guys.

Our pitching has been excellent this year especially considering the injury hits they took. Had we had any sustainable offense we would be competing for a spot in the post season.

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  1. snarkk said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:02 am

    Completely agree.
    Giants staff has #1 ERA in MLB since June 1. That stat alone shows how bad this offense is.
    Injuries to Cueto and Samardzxxx and Bum paved the way for Rodriguez and Suarez. Those guys would be treading water in AAA without injury to the big contracts. Instead, they got a shot, and look what happened. What does that tell you about long term deals signed with mature starters? Don’t do it. Trade old position players for what you can get in prospects. Trade Bum for a handful of good to top prospects, including outfielders. Otherwise, ride this staff into next season…

  2. sandog said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:14 am

    I don’t want to see any trades as I agree we got nothing to offer.
    Offer Bum 5/90 while his stock is somewhat low and we have some leverage.
    Sign some fringe free agents to beef up the offense and bolster pitching.
    Stay the hell away from Harper and Machado.
    Fix the Ballpark.

    That’s my plan. I still predict that the Giants plan is to be the highest bidder for Harper.
    I bet they offer him an absolutely insane contract.

  3. snarkk said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:18 am

    I WOULD dump Melancon, trade him for anything, and take back a bunch of salary, as will be necessary. At this point he’s just another arm costing way too much, and any salary dump on him is a plus…

  4. Flavor said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:22 am

    Did you read this bullshit out of Longo? Why say this publicly?
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/AT-T-Park-taking-toll-on-Giants-Evan-Longoria-13237363.php

    • blade3colorado said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:34 am

      I can’t see the article, but if he criticized the park – fuck him. Roger Craig would have rode him out of town on a rail. The fucker is old and hasn’t adjusted to the shift. His freakin’ under .300 OBP illustrates that the park has zero to do with his inability to get on base.

      Add him to Melanoma and other players we have to get rid of next season, even if we have to “eat” most of his stupid contract.

      • sandog said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:39 am

        All he said was that the park is not a great park to hit in. And that is totally true. In fact, it is an understatement.
        It’s a park built for everyone being on steroids. It absolutely must be fixed, and I’m sure it will be at some point. I just hope it is sooner rather than later.

      • djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:49 am

        I think the hazardous bullpen will be the impetus for the ball park fix even more than the wretched offense…

      • blade3colorado said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:50 am

        Again, I haven’t seen the statement. Regardless, why mention the park? It’s a defeatist statement if he mentioned it. I remember what Mike Krukow, Roger Craig, Al Rosen, Clark, Maldonado, and others said about not making excuses about Candlestick . . . Read this dog and tell me – yes or no – if what Longo said is going to help the Giants win in the future? To bring it up is stupid. This is what Krukow said about Candlestick back in the day:

        ”The conditions here were all conducive for built-in excuses to lose. Give someone an excuse and he’ll take comfort in it. We had to eliminate the excuse for failure.”

  5. sandog said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:47 am

    Melancon is owed 28 mil over the next 2 years. In order to trade him, the Giants would probably have to eat 20 mil and they would get a scrub minor leaguer in return just so it didn’t look like a total salary dump NBA trade.
    So, they could spend 20 mil and get nothing or spend 28 and hope to get some value out of him.
    Given those circumstances, which I think are pretty realistic, I’d keep him. Yes, he has been a total bust. Yes, he will never be the guy again who went something like 52/55 on save opportunities the year before we signed him. But, I still think he can be someone who helps our bullpen in a supporting role.

  6. willedav said, on September 18, 2018 at 9:56 am

    Funny, Craw said the same things earlier this season and no one went after him. He said publicly the yard esp RCF wasn’t fair to hitters, and he’s right–triples alley at 421 ft is BS. Craw btw hit just his 3rd bomb in about 3 months last night and has had abysmal second half. And is supposedly untouchable.

    Interesting enough about Longo, the article said his road slugging is .490 and better than his career mark .479.
    So he still does know how to hit and helps Giants on road.
    And the Giants do need help on the road, where they have 30 wins, among worst in entire NL. Every one ahead of them in division AZ LA COLO have at least 40. 10 more Ws of course puts them above .500.

  7. willedav said, on September 18, 2018 at 10:03 am

    NO to trading Bum. #1 you are not getting near what you think, a ML ready prospect or 2 off someone’s A list.
    He’s in walk year on bargain deal and can be FA if Giants don’t extend him and could be dealt at deadline next year anyway. Certainly no harm in listening just doubt an overwhelming offer is forthcoming.

    #2 he can still pitch very effectively with different repertoire for the Giants–his ERA this year would be 8th in NL right around Corbin and Greinke level if he had enough innings to qualify. I still see him as staff leader who sets the tone for the youngsters along with Holland.

  8. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 18, 2018 at 10:42 am

    They sprung the Longoria quote on Kuiper this morning and he wasn’t having any of it. Personally I like the park configuration but don’t care either way about changes to triples alley

  9. willedav said, on September 18, 2018 at 11:23 am

    Longo will take the singles/doubles to RF too, the same way Posey does when he’s being pitched away. In a hitters yards like Yanks Balt Boston Toronto from when he played with Rays he likely could knock something out the yard being pitched outside. At ATT, with all the games they play at night highly unlikely.

    Biggest issue I have with him and most of Giants hitters is all the groundballs they hit, both RH and LH. Games when opposing pitcher is dominating them that’s all their doing, weak groundballs to IF.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 18, 2018 at 11:51 am

      Seems like the problem is the configuration leads to the right fielder playing so deep in the center/right gap that RH hitters going the other way is ineffective.

  10. unca_chuck said, on September 18, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    Dead pull hitters (Bonds, Kent, everyone else in both fucking leagues) don’t have any problems jacking here. Posey once upon a time could do that. Gap hitters (Rowand, Longo) don’t have the same success.

    Longo:

    “Our ballpark, there’s no way around saying that it’s not a great place to hit,” Longoria said. “It’s more mental than physical. It’s a mental adjustment of saying, ‘I’m just going to take what this ballpark is going to give me instead of forcing it.’”

    Quick Draw McGraw here figured this out in 6 short months.

    • djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    • willedav said, on September 18, 2018 at 1:30 pm

      which is what I said—if they are taking away left side with the shift and pitching you middle away, take the singles to RF. If you are still trying to pull the ball you roll over on it and hit right into the D. cutch did this too–hit the ball up the middle and 2b is right there.
      this is what Posey does, take the base hits to RF and why his BA is still high without power. And of course what he gets crucified for here.

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 18, 2018 at 2:34 pm

        If Posey hit for any power whatsoever, even just Gorky level power, there’d be less criticism.

      • Flavor said, on September 18, 2018 at 6:36 pm

        great point Dirt. I’d settle for “poor man Gorkey’s power” from Buster. Just like 10.

      • djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:25 pm

        I’m real sure the power outage will keep Posey out of the HOF…

  11. alleykat69 said, on September 18, 2018 at 1:39 pm

    Yeah Roger Craig wad always on guys that bitched about the Stick,he would clean house of the malcontents, always wanted positive players who didn’t bitch about the cold weather,saying deal with it to our advantage, let the team were facing complain&whine.,

  12. djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    If a 30 year old Dave Kingman was a FA this winter, would you throw big money at him and stick him in LF?

    • blade3colorado said, on September 18, 2018 at 4:22 pm

      Astounding what he did at age 30. I’m not certain the Giants would because of our already stretched payroll, but a lot of other teams would. Loo, check out his age 35 year too (as well as 33, 36, and 37 when he retired. Still productive, albeit, his OBP was significantly down from age 30).

      Were PEDs around when he played? Not certain . . .

      • djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 4:26 pm

        Just greenies, I think.
        If you’ve never taken them, trust me they’re awesome for whatever kind of work you do…

      • xoot said, on September 18, 2018 at 5:03 pm

        theyreallygiveakicktocourtappearancesohyeah

      • blade3colorado said, on September 18, 2018 at 6:13 pm

        lol . . . no doubt.

  13. djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    I think I heard Trevor Story might be done for the year…

    • Macdog said, on September 18, 2018 at 4:43 pm

      Trevor Story reportedly has damage to the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow, MLB Network insider Ken Rosenthal reported on Tuesday for The Athletic. Story’s full diagnosis and whether he will require surgery or a stint on the disabled list was unclear. He was expected to undergo more tests on Tuesday after exiting early in Monday’s 8-2 loss to the Dodgers.

      • zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 6:54 pm

        The Rockies are…..

  14. zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    Garcia at firstbase is interesting.

    • djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 7:14 pm

      Even though he’s cheap as possible and did everything right this year, I can’t shake the feeling that Sandoval won’t be a Giant next season…

      • Flavor said, on September 18, 2018 at 7:23 pm

        …and I’m totally ok with that. He’s just a guy, a nice surprise for cheap but nothing that we can really use or count on going forward. Plus, all those years of eating and fatting has him on the super wrong side of 30. Dude will get hurt every year from here on out.

      • djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 7:27 pm

        At least he mended fences and guaranteed himself a plaque on that wall out there.
        I could see him having a big year in some lost AL town…

      • Flavor said, on September 18, 2018 at 7:31 pm

        not me. Part time guy at best. Dude you watched him get fat and skinny and fat again over and over and over. The body don’t like that. I’d settle for whatever he gave us this year and be fine with the same thing next year. Twin rolling over in his grave at me right now, lol

  15. djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    Anybody think Pence is in Spring Training anywhere in the majors next season?

    • zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:12 pm

      I’m thinking no.

    • alleykat69 said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:13 pm

      Not me..
      But as WC Fields would say :”Theirs a sucker born everyday”

    • Macdog said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:15 pm

      As long as it’s anywhere but Scottsdale.

    • xoot said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:17 pm

      no, Pence and Lexi will be sending out social media dispatches from some nice tropical locale when ST gets going

  16. zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Ridiculous strike 3 call on Garcia.

  17. zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    Pence can’t play outfield at a major league level anymore.
    He couldn’t last year either, but that’s a different discussion.

  18. zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 9:10 pm

    Strick throwing fastballs in the 92-94 range. Yikes.

    • djloo27 said, on September 18, 2018 at 9:16 pm

      Numbers Bumgarner can only dream about these days…

      • zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 9:22 pm

        Our team turned old way quicker than we thought it would. Sabean’s head is spinning.

  19. zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 9:53 pm

    Shaw 2 Ribbies.

    • zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm

      Having a nice series.

    • snarkk said, on September 18, 2018 at 10:13 pm

      Just keep playing the kid, get him another 30+ ABs. Lefties, righties, whatever…

  20. snarkk said, on September 18, 2018 at 10:14 pm

    Melancon escaped there by the skin of his teeth. This guy has done nearly nada to deserve an 8th inning spot. 36 innings this season — 41 hits given up…

  21. pawliekokonuts said, on September 18, 2018 at 10:48 pm

    Here is my delusional, hyperoptimistic, psychosis-addled wish: win out. Win the rest of the season’s games. All of them. Hey, if you can lose 11 in a row, you can win 11 in a row, or however many games are left. It would be a loud statement, a boost going into the offseason, a marked *imporvement* over last year. I know, I know, it would give the brass the wrong message, they would believe too strongly in a weak team, etc. etc. But, c’mon. It would be SOMETHING.

    • zumiee said, on September 18, 2018 at 10:50 pm

  22. snarkk said, on September 18, 2018 at 11:56 pm

    How was that fan interference with Shaw’s attempt to catch that “home run” ball at the LF fence actually NOT fan interference? Replay clearly shows that the fan deflected Shaw’s glove away, and the fan’s hands were over the edge of the fence into the field of play. What the hell are these “umps” in New Jersey looking at? How about an explanation of these calls?…

    • djloo27 said, on September 19, 2018 at 6:28 am

      Even the Padre announcers (my new favorites) said it was definitely interference…


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