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September Malaise

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 21, 2018

Remember the good old days when playing the Cardinals meant something? When playing ANYONE meant something? I’ll always claim that those three beauties have insulated me from any type of September rancor but the reality is that I am missing meaningful baseball and have accepted that we will be terrible for the next several years.

Anyway, we’re in St. Louis today. I’m drinking my morning coffee out of this little mug, it’s not road trip worthy but for a morning cup of Joe while I type this post, it’s not half bad….

San Dawg may be a bigger fan but I’M the one they’re writing letters to. Although if me and AMPM were truly friends they would have sent a bigger cup…..

Screenshot 2018-09-21 at 6.22.10 AM

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  1. willedav said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:16 am

    you are where you are. Looking at records of few teams and how they stand:
    Tampa 85 Ws 18 games out straining for playoff
    Seattle 84 Ws 11 out no playoffs
    Cleveland 85 Ws clinched division easily

    LA 85 Ws have biggest lead all season 2.5 games
    STL 84 Ws 5 out battling for WC
    ATL 85 Ws got division pretty well sewed up

    No reason to concede anything before it starts, next year or beyond. Giants actually had winning pct. vs. NL West and beat every team in it except Sherps. Get to .500 by deadline anything can happen—unfortunately for SF that’s when injuries and hitting slumps did them in is my take.

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:17 am

    Don’t have any GIANT mugs? Not buying it. Seems like you really need to look to the commercials for guidance here if you want the big cup. I’m not suggesting a full on spread but maybe a few well placed bags of chips and a come hither look.

    • willedav said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:22 am

      ” your friends at AMPM”
      how can it get better than that?

  3. willedav said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:18 am

    Grateful Dead…first and last LP I had was the one with Me and my Uncle (great cut) Mama Tried. good stuff.
    Never saw them but did see New Riders, outdoors at Frost early ’70s.

    Good for B Mayfield and Browns. I think one of cool things about NFL is to see how well some of new QBs can be right out of college. Niners at KC this week very cool. T Hill is one cool player to watch.

    • chipower9 said, on September 21, 2018 at 1:47 pm

      Saw the Dead about a dozen times. Last time was at Cal Expo in ‘94 on my BD. First Dead show was Tulsa, OK in ‘79. They opened that show with Jack Straw (great song).

  4. Flavor said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:30 am

    Two flaps up for a GH happy birthday.

  5. Flavor said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:31 am

    The Dead is one of those bands I got into later in life. Same with Michael Jackson

    • sandog said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:39 am

      You being a Dead fan is something I didn’t see coming. At all. But then again, you think For Those About To Rock is a “great” song (It’s average at best in my book) and you can’t stand the Beatles, but prefer Lennon, but only list Paul songs when mentioning the few Beatles songs you do like.

      Happy B-day G-Head!

      • Flavor said, on September 21, 2018 at 12:44 pm

        i preferred Lennon as a person. If I had to choose between the two I’d go Lennon easily.

  6. blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:34 am

    You’re on a roll with these Toomgis posts, along with your September 15th “Getting Rid Of The Problem” thread opening. Both made me chuckle out loud. In a season of lows, I can barely pay attention – so humor about our situation and doing other stuff to fill the void is important.

    Question to all . . . Apparently, Madbum wants to stay here and is open to extension negotiations. However, the Giants have not contacted him, nor his representative. Do you guys think that they should punt the decision to next season’s July deadline (obviously meaning that they exercise his 2019 option) or even wait longer and make a decision after the 2019 season? If they wait, they are taking a chance that his value continues to decrease.

    I would like them to make a decision now or as soon as relatively possible. Specifically, my preference is for the team to move on and start the rebuild as soon as possible. Trade him while he still has some worth (by the by, tonight’s start, along with any other starts he makes this season are big if they decide on this route). I would also not have a problem with an extension, as long as he gets paid for what he is . . . not for what he accomplished on the back of his baseball card, e.g., maybe $14-16 million per season, w/4 year contract and one team option. That would be $64 million maximum with another potential 16 million option (buyout of $2 million), for a total of $80 million. Obviously, these numbers change if an agreement doesn’t occur by the end of the season or shortly thereafter during the hot stove season. It’s also important that he finishes strong the rest of this season.

    • sandog said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:40 am

      I want them to submit an extension offer to him this afternoon……4/80 is fine with me.

      • blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 9:00 am

        Actually, 4/64 with team option. However, it’s great that you came down from your $90 million, 5 year contract proposal last week.

  7. snarkk said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:57 am

    Trade Bum before November ends, get all you can get. He’s on the downhill, SF needs bodies, good ones…

  8. wilcojoe said, on September 21, 2018 at 9:23 am

    I’ve said it before and I will say it again, the Flap is a great read when the Giants are doing poorly. Some of the best material in here is non Giants talk.

  9. wilcojoe said, on September 21, 2018 at 9:26 am

    That’s pretty cool they sent you a handwritten note with the cup. That’s fantastic customer service and something you rarely see.

  10. unca_chuck said, on September 21, 2018 at 9:30 am

    It will never happen. He’s a deadline deal if we suck. That’s it.

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 21, 2018 at 9:51 am

    With all the tax threshold talk this season and money coming off the books with Pence, etc it isn’t that surprising that the Giants and Bumgarner haven’t talked recently. Over the last 2-3 spring training reports out of camp have been that they have regularly engaged in contract discussions. I’m sure both sides have a rough idea of what a deal would look like.

    This off season will be interesting. I’m hoping the club finds more players to add like Uribe who have been winners in the past.

  12. Flavor said, on September 21, 2018 at 10:19 am

    Diggity– I got into the Dead in college, I went to Lewis & Clark in Portland, Ore. Back then L/C was a hippy school, it’s gotten a lot more conservative since then. I got exposed to a lot of music there that I wouldn’t have otherwise ever listened to.

    • sandog said, on September 21, 2018 at 11:09 am

      Gotcha. Makes sense.

  13. Bozo said, on September 21, 2018 at 12:54 pm

    Flav, I think you should get a hold of some 7-eleven stationary and send AM/PM a note thanking them for the mug but explain how you had your heart set on a giant mug, like the Ultimate Gulp as an example.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 21, 2018 at 3:48 pm

      Comes with 5 free insulin syringes!

  14. chipower9 said, on September 21, 2018 at 1:51 pm

    Haven’t been on much, but not related to you Flappers…just been in a baseball funk (kind of like our Giants!

    Here’s an article I saw yesterday about the status of our team. Nothing we didn’t already know. Picture of Bochy says it all for the past two years.

    https://tinyurl.com/ydcfdw4z

    Also, big BD shout-out for G-Head.

  15. zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 3:19 pm

    Is Bum going to have to swallow the fact that he won’t get one of those 7 year/$210 million types of contracts from somebody? Do those contracts even get given out anymore? A few years ago, Bum seemed like a sure thing to get one of those. But now he’s had injuries and some decline, and GM’s are hugely sabermetric now. Well, the majority are.

  16. djloo27 said, on September 21, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    No way Bum gets less than 5 years at less than $100 million…

  17. unca_chuck said, on September 21, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    Addison Russell was placed on ‘administrative leave’ for a spousal abuse investigation brought forth by his ex-wife. Apparently the investigation started June 17, 2017.

  18. djloo27 said, on September 21, 2018 at 4:20 pm

    I could watch BattleBots 24/7…

    • Macdog said, on September 21, 2018 at 4:43 pm

      To borrow one of your lines, I had to Google that.

      • djloo27 said, on September 21, 2018 at 4:49 pm

        I think their target audience is 12 year olds…

  19. Irish Kevin said, on September 21, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    Not sure what to do with Bum, it’s hard to say thank you for your past but what have you done lately for us, and really the Giants pitching is not the problem. There is a thing called offense that is totally lacking on this team, and nobody seems to know why. Certainly not the home park cause other teams hit here just fine. Did the Giants have mediocre hitting during the 3 WS and they won because of their pitching. So because they won no one wanted to bring up the lack of hitting. During their WS games they got “timely” hitting, but none of the players were truly great hitters, maybe Posey. But the rest were probably average at best? The Players who did well in the playoffs and the WS did get timely hits. I am not a stats guy so someone who is will have to say whether their were .285-.300 hitters for the seasons of the WS. I say go get hitters and leave the pitching alone.

  20. snarkk said, on September 21, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    I am so done with this squad’s total ineptitude at hitting with RISP. Phuck this team, tear it down and rebuild !!….

    • Macdog said, on September 21, 2018 at 6:25 pm

      I guess a couple of walks with RISP is the next best thing.

  21. xoot said, on September 21, 2018 at 6:16 pm

    An rbi!

  22. willedav said, on September 21, 2018 at 6:25 pm

    Ron Gant might have thrown more strikes.

  23. willedav said, on September 21, 2018 at 6:33 pm

    bugs me to watch Cardinals players Giants might have had shot at past off season—Ozuna, J Gyorko or that J Martinez guy. Their pen still sucks and Giants have abundance of them…
    All of them can hit, with power. Martinez whacked the ball when they came here last year and has been moved to OF from 1b and isn’t much of fielder either position. But any of above would be great in Giants uni.

    • willedav said, on September 21, 2018 at 6:35 pm

      Piscotty too. Cards were perfectly willing to trade him here to be near his dying Mom and weren’t asking a lot. They dumped Grichuk to Toronto. And he has had career year for the A’s. Missed opportunity definitely.

      • Flavor said, on September 21, 2018 at 6:47 pm

        all those guys you listed are pretty young. Going after that type is definitely not the giants way. It’s like they can’t act unless the baseball card is at least 10 years deep……

    • blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:02 pm

      Agree Willie. Ozuna, Piscotty and especially, the guy I like – Yelich. Shaking my head that the FO was essentially comatose on these good, young outfielders. Instead, we sign Longo, where his 2017 season should have set off alarm bells. I can understand going after Cutch, as he was ascending in the last part of 2017. Equally important, it was for only one year. However, Longo is going to hurt us into the 2020s.

  24. Macdog said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    The Giants whiff as much in the field as they do at the plate.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:12 pm

      No shit. What’s that? 10 SOs in 6 innings??? Sheesh.

  25. djloo27 said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    I look forward to the end of seasons like this…

    • Flavor said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:29 pm

      Twinner’s first missed one in what? 65 years? He didn’t miss much.

  26. zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    As Loo said, wilderness years for the Giants.

  27. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:34 pm

    I’m guessing many of the players also look forward to the end of seasons like this. I recall being at the last game of some dismal season at Fenway, Orioles were in town and also closing out a shitty season. I was sitting down along the 1st base line, Dwight Evans hit a ground out for the final out, and after the great Eddie Murray took the throw, he high-fived Evans and said “see ya next year” with a tired little smile and a shake of the head, and the players just slowly wandered off into their 4-month break like they were vanishing into that Iowa cornfield….

  28. willedav said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:40 pm

    Slater and Hanson. Wave of the future. 3-2. Add in Shaw Garcia (maybe somewhere) and healthy Duggar. These are all Sabes guys, plus Holland DRod Suarez Moronta…more than a third of team is already news and except for Holland younger. If it matters to anyone, cheap too.

  29. zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:43 pm

    Panik with a brutally worthless AB.

    • zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:45 pm

      Panik could possibly never get a big MLB contract because of his decline. That seemed unthinkable a few years ago.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:45 pm

      That was a big SO, as Panik rarely SO.

  30. blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t this guy Hicks have a fastball that’s faster than Chapman? Maybe I read that he recorded the fastest fastball for 2018.

    • zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:53 pm

      I think he hit 105 this season.

      • xoot said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:08 pm

        I thought he topped out at 104. 😉

  31. Stan Shell said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:49 pm

    OK, I admit I do not understand baseball in 2018. Can one or more of you guys that follow this better than me please tell me why in any form of common sense is Blanco (ave.=.221) batting lead off for the Giants in this forlorn year?

    Did they sell the whole farm system to the Yankees?

    OSF

    • zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 7:52 pm

      Bochy has spent years believing Blanco is a leadoff hitter. The stats have never supported that.

  32. sandog said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    I’ll go along with Piscotty being a missed opportunity, but Ozuna and Yellich? No way in hell could we have made a play for those guys with our barren farm system.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:12 pm

      You’re probably right.

  33. zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:12 pm

    The Giants are in good company; Churchill had some wilderness years, too

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:22 pm

      Let’s hope the Giants’ wilderness years don’t result in anything near as much as a 4 DVD set…..

      • zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:24 pm

        Good point!

  34. Bozo said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    Crap.

  35. blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:27 pm

    That’s on Melanoma.

  36. zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:33 pm

    Hanny competes; you gotta love that.

  37. xoot said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    This game reminds me of my trip to Ireland last month. In Marsh’s Library (est. 1707) a young guard sitting at the famous ancient reading table said, as I walked by, “So you follow the Giants then?” He pointed to the rain-wet hat in my hand. Turned out he’s a Cardinals fan. He woke every day eager to see the box score, to see how Carpenter’s doing. He’d visited the USA when he was younger and the highlight of his trip was a game with his brother in SF where Bonds hit a homer. (“Number 747, it was!”) Through an open window I could hear the soft Irish rain falling softly into a lush Irish garden. Otherwise the library was silent. The young Irishman leaned back in the chair where Bram Stoker spent many hours poring over tomes about disease and morbidity and exotic continental lands while he devised his Dracula tales and I leaned on the chair where James Joyce spent many hours in 1902 studying rhetoric and early English literature. And the young Irishman and I talked about baseball.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:38 pm

      Cool story Xoot.

    • zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:39 pm

      Very nice!

  38. Macdog said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:40 pm

    There goes a .500 season.

  39. Bozo said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    So much for that.

    • zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:42 pm

      Sometimes I feel sorry for Bochy, and then I remember he’s getting paid $6 million this season.

  40. blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:41 pm

    Giants gave them a battle and looked like they had momentum until the disastrous 8th.

  41. snarkk said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:43 pm

    Melancon.
    Eat some salary, and trade this sorry ass Bust on November 2…

    • blade3colorado said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:44 pm

      Of the pitchers currently on the roster, he has the worst WHIP @ 1,56 . . . That’s pathetic for a pitcher, especially a relief pitcher.

      • djloo27 said, on September 21, 2018 at 9:08 pm

        He still occasionally has a great “12 to 6” curve ball.
        He just rarely shows it from 7 to 11…

    • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:42 am

      solid gold Loo. Did you steal that or make it up? If that’s an original I tip my tiny mug in your general direction and say “well done”

  42. zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    After doing a tear-down/rebuild that lasted a few years, the Braves are going to win their division.

  43. zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 10:45 pm

    Can’t believe the Dodgers put Axford out there.

  44. zumiee said, on September 21, 2018 at 11:12 pm

    A rare Dodger loss to the Padres.


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