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Another L

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 22, 2018

Sure we lost again and the cancerous Melancon was the one who lost it. But as usual, it came down to us not being able to hit. Our runs were scored by way of a walk, a single and a ground out to first base. Not good enough and pathetic when compared to the way baseball is played today.

I know you’re going to get lucky and win some games now and again playing that limp brand of baseball. Hey, the Cards didn’t hit any bombs either. But they had better pitching, at least after that ball-machine got removed. Pitching still matters but to win consistently you have to have big power, too. We have no power and no speed. Weak and slow.

Bumgarner now pitches like a reliable #3. What do those guys go for these days? That’s what he should get paid.

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  1. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:15 am

    Same old record:We have no power,no speed,weak&old your SF Giants going forward..

  2. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:42 am

  3. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:51 am

    Kevin Frandsen, who is awful every time he’s on KNBR, finally made a good point last week. He basically said “Bum is much better in the post season than in the regular season. This is fact. The Giants will not be going to the post season any time soon. Therefore, he should be traded for prospects.”
    It’s a completely valid, well thought out point that isn’t muddled with a bunch of emotion that some fans have for Bumgarner……

    • willedav said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:40 am

      disagree but neither here nor there. His ERA is still top 10 in the league and just as good as Greinke’s (tho other peripherals not as good) and not many can match that.
      But…if you think he isn’t better than a #3, what would you expect the return in “prospects” to be?

      • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:54 am

        I believe bum’s perceived value is skewed high due to his post season success. I think the Yankees or someone with an eye to the post season might over pay for him

  4. unca_chuck said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:00 am

    It has been 4 seasons since Bummie has pitched in the postseason, so we aren’t perfectly clear in that. Although it is a good selling point.

    That being said,I’m sure he’d pitch a little better in the reg season with consistent run support.

    • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:56 am

      Good point about the 4 year thing. Even more important that teams believe he’s a post season legend. Perceived value is still value.

    • Macdog said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:52 am

      It’s been two seasons since MadBum last pitched in the playoffs, 2016: the shutout vs. the Mets in the WC game and Game 3 vs. the Cubs.

  5. willedav said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:47 am

    Pence said he wants to play next year and is going to continue to work with the hitting guru guy in LA; feels he can do better. Chron had tribute column on him by J Shea and reading through the comments lotta love for him and feeling he has more to offer. wow

    16 more Ks last night 4 in 4 for Garcia. Plays a nice 1b tho

    • alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:09 am

      Feels he can do better? Your killin me Smalls!
      Hunter Pence 217 AB’s 3 HR’s
      Aramis Garcia 34 AB’s 3 HR’s
      The only thing Pence can improve on his bongo impersonation on top of some new teammate on another team, which he won’t get a chance to do anyway..

  6. willedav said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:50 am

    watched USC strain to beat Wazzu last night, 39-36, blocking FG in last minute. Wazzu QB grad transfer Gardner Minshew (who?) lit them up and he has wideout from Serra, Easop Winston Jr. that torched their secondary. Both offenses got rolling good exciting game.

  7. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:35 am

    Panik is playing first base today. I can’t think of a lamer, weaker excuse to run out to the 1 bag

  8. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:40 am

    Good luck to Pence.
    He’ll be serving latte’s next May in his Houston coffee shop…

  9. xoot said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:46 am

    I wonder about Bum’s perceived value. I see a guy who seriously hurt his throwing shoulder in a dirt bike accident whose return got further complicated by additional time on the DL and who now no longer dominates anyone. The only characteristic that remains truly sharp is his bizarre hotheadedness.

    • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:56 am

      well let’s just say this: whatever his value is now there are GM’s out there who probably value him higher because he’s a post season legend who is still young enough where they’d want him on their staff and would be willing to toss a couple of very good prospects to the Giants for him.

      • blade3colorado said, on September 22, 2018 at 10:16 am

        You’re spot on. The Giants aren’t the only ones who over-value or are lackadaisical in scouting players. If they decide to deal him, they’ll find plenty of buyers in the MLB.

        By the by, per Forbes, Buster Posey ranks ninth in all of MLB at $25.4 million, but the three-time World Series champ boasts the highest endorsement income within the top 10 with $4 million. Posey’s off-field earnings rank among the best in the sport with Kris Bryant. The 2012 National League MVP has endorsement deals with Under Armour, Toyota Motor, New Era, DirecTV, Marucci, Topps, Rawlings, Lojo Sports, Pro Camps and BodyArmor.

        This is the best Sports Salary Tool available in my opinion, you have numerous criteria that you can punch into the drop down menus: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/pitching/

        Right now, the Giants have 3 pitchers in the top 20 for 2018 (Cueto, Smarg, and Melanoma).

  10. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:57 am

    BUmgarner makes no sense on our team especially if we keep finding guys like D-Rod and Holland under rocks

  11. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 10:12 am

    Heard Lurie interviewing Bruce Jenkins this morning. You can only shake your head. Jenkins showed basically no understanding of sabermetrics, as he kind of slammed it. His statement: “The players know best” is so wrong-headed that it’s probably hopeless for Jenkins at this point.
    Listening to Harold Reynolds the other day on MLB network talk about why pitcher wins should be a huge part of getting the Cy Young just shows that there’s an old guard that will never get it.
    Jenkins as much as admitted that’s his attitude when he said he doesn’t use a lot of the new stats in his articles because “the older fans don’t really understand those. They want to hear stories about people.”

    • blade3colorado said, on September 22, 2018 at 10:19 am

      Thanks for sharing. Dollars to donuts, the Giants Front Office has dinosaurs like Jenkins making decisions about who to sign, not sign, etc. Not surprised by this at all.

  12. sandog said, on September 22, 2018 at 10:20 am

    I actually think the Giants and their fans value Bum higher than other organizations do. We’re the ones who were heavily invested in those great games he pitched. For other organizations, that looks like a hundred years ago. I don’t think we’d get much for him. I still say sign him while you have leverage. He can still pitch and it means a lot to many fans to see him stay with the Giants. Start in the 4/65 range Blade was talking about. I’m fine with settling at a number a bit higher than that—or even offering another year.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 22, 2018 at 10:26 am

      Looking at Spottrac and seeing what other pitchers make, I would be fine with signing him at that salary. Again, my preference is that we deal him, but if we do keep him, for that amount, considering his relatively young age, I would be down with that.

    • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 10:57 am

      seems to me we could find better ways to spend 65 mil (at a min) for a guy who can “still pitch”

      • alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 11:17 am

        Well we blew enough wasted dough on Smarg,Melonoma,Cueto &Pence so 4/65 on Bumgarner a proven commodity makes more sense than the rest of the wasted money..

  13. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 10:24 am

    Cards have had injuries this season. They just keep plugging in minor leaguers and still stay in the post season hunt. The difference in their minor league quality v SF is glaring…

    • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 10:58 am

      here’s what the Cards do that they Giants don’t do: they have all these guys playing a shit load of different positions in the minor leagues. It gives them great flexibility when they get up here. And then you don’t get stuck doing stupid shit like we’re doing today playing Panik at 1st base for the first time in his life.

  14. Lurker John said, on September 22, 2018 at 11:11 am

    Here’s a trivia question for y’all, name the last Giants’ team that finished the season without one hitter reaching the 60 RBI mark? Unless Longoria has a hell of a final week, that’s exactly what’s going to happen. That is the epitome of the shit the Giants are fielding these days. Your worst hitter is supposed to be around the 60 RBI mark.

    And personally, I’m stoked that the Giants didn’t even look into the possibility of acquiring Christian Yelich, as I suggested in the off season. He’s right in the middle of the MVP discussion. Why would we need a young, talented outfielder who was coming off something of a subpar year? Nah, don’t need that. I would not be shocked if we get the status quo again next year.

    • sandog said, on September 22, 2018 at 11:44 am

      LJ, you can’t trade chicken shit for Christian Yelich. And our farm system is full of chicken shit.
      It was easier to put together for package for Stanton because we would have taken on the bulk of that godawful contract.

      • Lurker John said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:23 pm

        True dat. LOL He’s just exactly the kind of guy this team needs, young and talented as hell.

  15. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 11:56 am

    Ozuna plays outfield like a zombie.

  16. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 11:58 am

    Garcia!

    • snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:03 pm

      I like this kid. With him and Bart, I can see life after Posey, and sooner…

      • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:09 pm

        D-Rod and Garcia today, that’s something for Giants fans to feel hopeful about.

      • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:11 pm

        Oops, jinxed him. If I believed in jinxes.

    • snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm

      Molina nearing 20 jacks, 3 years older than Posey, on crutches. Time for Buster to move to first…

  17. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm

    Amazing stat: first HR D-Rod allowed with runner(s) on this season.

  18. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    I must have missed it. Is there a reason Panik is at 1b ?

    • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:25 pm

      Belt is always hurt? Who knows, they’re just grasping at straws with this shit. And panik sucks dick no matter where he is on the diamond

      • snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:34 pm

        Unless he’s hurt, Slater should be starting every game, somewhere, some position. Panik at 1b is absurd…

  19. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    Garcia kid is settling in. Play him all the time. Cut Hundley loose with his buddy Melanbust in the offseason. If Posey is SOL, go with Garcia and bring up Brown until BART is ready…

  20. Matthew Greedy said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    I think they need to start fresh. See what they can get for Bumgarner, Posey, Crawford, Belt, Panik, Samardzija, Longoria, Cueto….

  21. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 12:55 pm

    Black sorta reminds me of a RHed Al Hrabosky, without the histrionics …

  22. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:00 pm

    Crawford sleepwalked through that AB…

  23. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    Pierzynski actually did a nice job broadcasting today.

  24. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:05 pm

    Carpenter is a stiff playing firstbase.

  25. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    Giants need to lay off that high outside gas; hard to do..

  26. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    The usual. Can’t get a run in with one out and 2 RISP. So lame…

  27. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    The Cards tried to give the game away.

  28. blade3colorado said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    83rd Pfffttt this year.

  29. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    MelanBust.
    Laughably bad…

    • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:26 pm

      They can’t just keep throwing him out there in the future. That’s just not caring.

  30. blade3colorado said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    After last night’s fiasco, Bochy of course, goes with his main man, Melanoma.

  31. Lurker John said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    We lose. What a shocker. D-Rod has pitched in tough luck all season, but this one is squarely on his shoulders. He had the win right in his grasp.

    • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:28 pm

      I see your point; but 4 runs isn’t horrible. Plus he contributed to a rally with his bat.

      • Lurker John said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:32 pm

        It’s not horrible, but it was bad enough to not win.

  32. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    Thank you Melanoma for all your suckitude!!
    That ball hasn’t landed yet, that you helped put into orbit🚀🚀🚀🚀

  33. Lurker John said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:30 pm

    I guarantee Melanoma will be front and center next year, with Bochy’s full backing of course. What a turd. This was the first game I’ve watched in over two weeks and only because it was on national TV. I could have it on and still scrub out my fucking toilet, which seems wildly appropriate. Nothing has changed.

    As usual, AJ Pierzynski sucked major ass. Once a Giants hater, always a Giants hater. See you dudes next season, because this fucking nightmare is just about in the books. Thank gawd!

    Go 49ers!

    • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm

      I have no idea how you came to that conclusion about Pierzynski’s broadcasting today. He seemed very fair and generous to the Giants today, IMO.

    • blade3colorado said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:48 pm

      I agree LJ about Melanoma. Why? Umm, about 62 million reasons. So much wasted money on this roster.

  34. snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:42 pm

    MelanBust. 2-2 lollipop 83 mph belt high and inside half.
    Hit me curveball.
    This guy is right up there with biggest Bust contracts in modern Giant history. From day 1.
    Nice work, SabEvans. Nobody will want to take this POS off Giants hands unless they eat 80% of his deal. He’ll have to come back to Scottsdale, and he’ll probably get cuffed around a lot. They can’t have this next season, no way…

    • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:44 pm

      It cries out for team ownership that cares.

  35. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    According to Wikipedia, Charles Johnson’s current personal wealth is estimated to be $5 billion.

  36. blade3colorado said, on September 22, 2018 at 1:53 pm

    In a perverse way, us rolling over the last couple of days is payback to the Sherpas for all the times they were MIA in the spoiler role. 🙂

    • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 2:23 pm

  37. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 2:41 pm

    These knbr callers might be the dumbest of the year. Lurie just said lexi pence is in the studio. Turning radio off now

    • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 2:48 pm

      When Jenkins said “The players know best,” Lurie agreed with him. That was lame on Marty’s part. He should have challenged Jenkins on that.

    • snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 2:54 pm

      I just did the same thing. I don’t give an S to hear from Lexi Pence. Maybe I should call in and say good riddance to your husband, he’s sucked away $18 million this year for not even being here the first half of the season, and cheerleading the rest, otherwise he’s been useless, and taking a spot from a young player that could get reps…

  38. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 2:45 pm

    28 other teams besides the Giants will not be winning the World Series this season. We will celebrate the demise of each of them.
    The Nats and D-Backs eventually flopped this season. They’re outta here.
    There’s a chance the Giant/Dodger games at the end will have meaning. That would be interesting.

  39. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 3:23 pm

    I listened to the Lexi segment. I was getting gas and I left my car door open, I decided if I heard it while I pumped my gas, so be it.
    Main takeaway: She said Hunter is going to see his hitting guru and that they will live with her parents during this time. She said she is living “day by day” not sure what will happen next. She said “in baseball anything can change in an instant” seeming to suggest Hunter could catch on with a team next season and have a big year. Also, she has a bachelorette party tonight starring her friend “Jessica”. What do you want to bet she has like 3 of those parties a week?

    • snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 3:32 pm

      I can only imagine the video / youtube possibilities generated at a bachelorette party attended by Mrs. Pence. None of which I would want to actually waste a second to see…

    • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 3:46 pm

      Oh to be young and rich, in a great city like San Francisco….
      For me, I’d be going to concerts several times a week. If I lived near Berkeley, I’d go to the Freight and Salvage concert venue a ridiculous amount of times. A theatre venue where the whole audience really listens to the performers.

      • djloo27 said, on September 22, 2018 at 4:18 pm

        I’d like to be young and rich any fuckin’ where…

  40. djloo27 said, on September 22, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    You guys are seriously underestimating Bum’s next contract. With his body and mechanics, he’ll pitch forever like Carlton and Sabathia. His injuries were flukes and he knows how to pitch even without the heat…

  41. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    “Giants CEO Larry Baer joined Tolbert & Lund on Thursday afternoon on KNBR, and updated the listeners on how the club is approaching the Bumgarner contract situation, and revealed that the two have spoken on the topic recently.
    “Look we’re coming upon an important decision, and some of it’s going to depend on what we do around him, and how we think we’re stocked for pitching and hitting and all of the pieces,” Baer said. “The goal is to get to October and play baseball in October, and you’ve got to do that with 25 players.”
    “We’ll talk during the offseason. I had a nice conversation with him, and I’m not going to be the one that’s making the deal or making the baseball evaluation. But we had a good chat last week in the clubhouse.””

    • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 5:02 pm

      The goal is to play October baseball next year.
      Yeah, good luck with that, Larry.

  42. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 5:16 pm

    Donaldson RBI single.
    Nice pick-up for Cleveland

  43. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    Today’s quiz: who is the woman in this photo of McCovey Cove?

    • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 5:48 pm

      looks like Ford

    • snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 5:53 pm

      Bravest woman in America

      • snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 5:59 pm

        In Kavanaugh’s high school yearbook he was the Pres of the “100 Keg Club”. Nah, no drunken party attack could have possibly happened…

      • xoot said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:42 pm

        hey, what happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep because nobody can remember what crimes they committed before they blacked out. Any fallout? Parents could pick up the bill.

      • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:08 pm

        You guys are correct.

      • zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm

        The photo was in the Washington Post.

      • xoot said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:20 pm

        She actually looks pretty well balanced on the long board, while she reaches for something stowed on the board next to her. Next week will be more than interesting.

  44. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    this Stanford game is bumming me out….

    • snarkk said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:04 pm

      USC lucked out a win last night. Helton is on thin ice in Trojan land…

  45. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:09 pm

    Whiteside is their only offense, nice TD grab to keep Stanford with a pulse..
    Love has know where to run with their DL dominating it..

  46. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:16 pm

    Jesus that was like Moses parting the sea to run thru, Oregon dominating both sides of the ball..

  47. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:31 pm

    David Shaw is an idiot. Worst coach ever. I don’t care how many games he’s won at Stanford. He’s stubborn and stupid just like Harbs.

  48. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:32 pm

    Oregon has got NINE fucking guys in the box and he just keeps handing the ball off to Love. How about an audible? No chance with a Shaw run offense.

  49. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 6:40 pm

    Shaw does suck, burned all 3 TO’s early, they take 12 seconds to run a play with 37 sec left, no urgency,then fumble it to boot, they look like a bunch of white honkys getting their asses kicked..

  50. xoot said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    meanwhile Kentucky whipped Florida last week and appears to be on the verge of shellacking no. 14 Miss State tonight. wtf?

  51. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    Slow developing plays:Stanford’s motto tonight!!

  52. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    Unfucking real!
    Oregon runner gets cornholed on his obvious TD run, then Oregon fumbles away a TD to Stanford!!

  53. xoot said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    wow this snodfart v O game is entertaining. Go Big Tree!

    • Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:26 pm

      this game is gonna be the death of me

  54. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    Wow what a comeback for Stanford to force OT..That kicker Toner didn’t yank his boner on that kick, ice in his veins from the vet..

  55. Flavor said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    Always trust Stanford men (except that fucking swimmer). That is all……

  56. alleykat69 said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    STANFORD!!!!!

  57. xoot said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:43 pm

    that TD reception in OT was beautiful, so much composure and focus. That TE should be known as Big Tree or Tall Tree or something like that. Excellent game.

  58. djloo27 said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    Happy nightmares…

    • xoot said, on September 22, 2018 at 8:52 pm

      I had lunch with my son today, big 9ers fan. He rattled off so much pro-SF stuff I couldn’t absorb it all. Reuben Foster’s return sort of made sense.

      • unca_chuck said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:12 pm

        Malcolm Smith’s return as well. The LBs last week were horrible. Mainly because we were down to 3rd string guys. Fred Warner is going to be a star. Our weakest link is interior linemen. Too many plays where the QB is aboe to step up and either run for a first down or buy time to get the ball out,

  59. unca_chuck said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:09 pm

    KC has an innate way of breaking the hearts of their fans in so many different ways for so many years. No matter the coach, the QB, or whatever.

    KC is going down tomorrow.

  60. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:13 pm

    The A’s win on a walk-off wild pitch. Quite a season for them.

  61. zumiee said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    Jansen pitched 2/3 of an inning in a 7-2 game and was awarded a save. How is that possible?

  62. unca_chuck said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:39 pm

    Were the bases loaded when he came in? The tying run needs to be in the on deck circle, right?

  63. unca_chuck said, on September 22, 2018 at 9:44 pm

    Just saw the latest Melonhead meltdown. 2 blown games in 2 days. Here’s your next closer.

  64. unca_chuck said, on September 23, 2018 at 8:06 am

    But Melonhead is pain-free!

    I guess our only mission now is to win one more game to avoid a 90 loss season.


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