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Shutting the Door on a Shit Season

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 30, 2018

It’s funny, the Giants have won 9 games more than they won in 2017 and this year feels infinitely worse. Not sure what that’s all about. Recency bias?

A one game Monday playoff for the west crown looks quite possible. The Dodgers will dismantle us today and the Nats have pussed out and decided not to start Scherzer.

Niners 10.5 dogs? Beat Hard might be better this year after more time to season. With a gun to my head I’d probably take San Die…LA. Although the better bet is the over (46). The game to watch is the Raider game. Looking forward to watching Bake play.

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  1. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 7:39 am

    • Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 8:12 am

      A+

      • zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 8:27 am

        Thanks!

        With thanks to Loo for such an apt analogy.

      • djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 8:43 am

        You sure about that, Zum?
        I think I was calling it the “Dark Ages”…

      • zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:02 am

        I’m pretty sure you also called it the wilderness.

      • zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:06 am

        That could be an archival assignment. Which Flapper first called it the wilderness? 🙂
        I’m not very good at using the archive, though, myself.

  2. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 7:45 am

    “won 9 games more than they won in 2017 and this year feels infinitely worse. Not sure what that’s all about.”

    We came into this season with hope that the older veterans would have bounce-back seasons. They’re not THAT old, right?
    Well….they looked real old this season, and they’re only getting older. None of us are now expecting bounce-backs from them. And they have a few years to go on their contracts. Yikes.

  3. djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 7:50 am

    Giant’s future broadcast team: Lincecum & Pence

  4. sandog said, on September 30, 2018 at 8:26 am

    Chargers in LA now Flav.
    Maybe you didn’t hear about it—you’ve been away a long time.

    • Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 8:46 am

      lol, right. My understanding is that LA has rejected them summarily so they’re still in San Diego to me.

  5. djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 8:29 am

    • Bozo said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:13 am

      “…this is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.”

  6. Bozo said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:16 am

    Recency bias over last year? Maybe so, but going 17 games under .500 after the AS break will also leave a lasting impression.

  7. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:20 am

    I did an archive search and saw this on BF’s main post Sept. 17:
    ““The Wilderness Years” is one of the great names ever given to anyone/anything here at the Flap. It invokes an image that is both funny AND a haunting reality.”

    I agree.
    Who is BF quoting the phrase from? I haven’t found that.

  8. Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:43 am

    Just read on Twitter that Giants only need to score 36 runs today to catch last year’s total

  9. blade3colorado said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:51 am

    I coined the term, “Wilderness years” and was excoriated for it . . .

    https://oneflapdown77.com/2017/11/20/praying-they-cain-do-it/

    • Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:58 am

      fuck that. In hindsight it was one of the greatest nicknames ever given here at the Flap. Well done.

      • blade3colorado said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:59 am

        🙂

  10. blade3colorado said, on September 30, 2018 at 10:00 am

    No idea how to go back the day before and get the entire thread, where I said it though . . .

  11. Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 10:09 am

    Loo called us entering a “grim era” and this is the first documented reference to the wilderness years that I can find
    blade3colorado said, on May 3, 2017 at 7:41 pm (Edit)
    “We’ve clearly entered a grim era. We may have the occasional surprise season that seems to come from nowhere (’78, ’82, ’93) but my expectations for the foreseeable future are not very high…”

    At least my daughter, Nguyen Michele Vo Melikean, will be able to enjoy the Giants renaissance in 2067 after going through the wilderness years Loo described.

  12. blade3colorado said, on September 30, 2018 at 10:14 am

    Here’s the thread and post you cited from “Praying They Cain Do It.”

    https://oneflapdown77.com/2017/11/19/someone-else-cain-have-him/

    blade3colorado said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:03 pm (Edit)
    Going into 2018, the Giants’ base payroll is about $170-175 million, give or take a few million. The 2018 MLB luxury tax starts at $197 million (any amount spent above that will cost the team a 50% tax).

    Which leaves about $25 million available to spend freely for a franchise that needs two outfielders (maybe three); a third baseman; at least two additional pieces in the bullpen; an offensive bench that can actually create runs after the 6th inning; and, at minimum, two additional MLB-level starters.

    It’s ludicrous to think Cain or Stanton will make things better short term, much, much, much less long term. We bite the bullet next year and maybe the year after that – implementing snarkk’s plan or something close to it. No way, no how, we even entertain resigning Madbum. Get something for him now, while he’s still worth more than a bag of balls. Same with Belt – allow him to re-establish his worth, then send him packing for prospects before he has his 10th (or whatever the # is) concussion. Posey? Ditto. Atlanta will probably love to have him.

    If we get 75% of the plan above implemented next season – we go all out for Bryce Harper and/or Manny Machado in 2019. Hopefully, coupled with additional prospects, we make a run for the wild card in 2020. Believe me – the wilderness years are coming. Ask the Yankees, Astros, Phillies, Royals, etc. There’s no escaping the grim reaper. Our only choice is to address it head on or piecemeal (Cain, Stanton, Martinez moves).

    * Obviously, snarkk and I have been on the same page ever since the 2017 shit season occurred, so he deserves credit too. 🙂

  13. Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 10:28 am

  14. snarkk said, on September 30, 2018 at 11:27 am

    It seems worse because it is.
    It’s now 2 1/2 seasons into poor to ridiculously bad baseball. No matter the degree of fan following, it adds up, you get fed up.
    I look forward to major, offseason changes. No cosmetics.
    Pardon the somewhat mixed metaphors, but SF needs to find its own Hercules to give this organization a high colonic of Augean Stable proportions…

  15. alleykat69 said, on September 30, 2018 at 11:40 am

    Well whoever the new GM will be he has to have steely eyes and a huge set of conjones and have “The Bill Walsh philosophy” dump a player a year early then a year too late!(And he will have plenty to dump, including wasted players contacts)
    Will Harry Larry give that person that kinda of power?That will be the key going forward..

  16. snarkk said, on September 30, 2018 at 11:47 am

    OMG. Bochy on KNBR right now saying “sure, there is a possibility” Pence could be back in 2019…

    • Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm

      I’m guessing Bochy’s days are numbered anyway. Wouldn’t read too much into that

    • djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 12:06 pm

      They’ll need Pence and Blanco after Slater, Duggar, and The Oaf collide in the outfield during a ST game.
      Slater, Duggar, and The Oaf can be sung to the tune of Willie, Mickey, and The Duke.
      Just gotta update the lyrics a little…

    • snarkk said, on September 30, 2018 at 12:29 pm

      I’m hoping this new VP of Baseball says I’ll sign up, as long as I choose the new 2019 manager. We can have a Bochy salute next summer on a Sat afternoon game with the Pads…

  17. alleykat69 said, on September 30, 2018 at 12:51 pm

    Bruce needs to walk away while his career losing record doesn’t drag into next year and tarnish his 3-5 legacy.Yeah he’s as lock for the HOF but go in with more diginty…

  18. snarkk said, on September 30, 2018 at 12:54 pm

    Perfect ending to this crap season.
    A Doghair full on series Beat Down, with a Sunday final coup de grace.
    Phhhhhhtttttttttt….

  19. Bozo said, on September 30, 2018 at 12:59 pm

    I wouldn’t take a pitcher out until he hits one of them. Fuck it, who cares if everyone gets tossed today.

  20. blade3colorado said, on September 30, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    Exclamation point to a shit sandwich season. Front office needs to have this crap game and season indelibly stamped on their collective brain housing units.

  21. Bozo said, on September 30, 2018 at 1:08 pm

    I know we don’t hit that many HRs, but if it’s true that we hit almost 50 less after the AS break than in the 1st half, maybe firing that conditioning coach wasn’t a bad idea.

  22. Macdog said, on September 30, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    Just checked the score. Disgusting.

  23. blade3colorado said, on September 30, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    PITCHERS IP H R ER BB K HR PC-ST ERA
    A. Suarez 2.1 6 6 6 2 0 0 51-34 4.49
    H. Strickland 0.1 4 3 3 0 0 1 22-14 3.97
    P. Johnson 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4-3 5.56
    C. Stratton 0.2 3 3 3 1 1 0 25-14 5.01

    Maybe Suarez gets a pass for hitting the proverbial wall insofar as innings pitched this season, but the rest of these guys are putrid and have no business being on the squad next season IMO. Umm, right . . . All these guys will be welcomed with open arms next season. lqtm

  24. theroooster said, on September 30, 2018 at 1:57 pm

    Epic Beat-down

  25. snarkk said, on September 30, 2018 at 1:57 pm

    I shut down radio at 6-0, was disgusted then.
    Just re-checked.
    14-0.
    Hey Larry Baer.
    If you’re gonna play football, get some ballplayers in here.
    WTF?…

  26. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 2:05 pm

    Credit to Blade for tagging it the Wilderness Years.

  27. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 2:22 pm

    Dodgers saved the rookie Beuhler for tomorrow. High pressure game tomorrow, but not an elimination game obviously.

  28. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 2:26 pm

    Interesting moment of no rah-rah from K&K.
    Kuiper: “Pence wants to play next season.”
    Krukow: (silence)
    Kuiper: (silence)

    • wilcojoe said, on September 30, 2018 at 2:31 pm

      POTD.

      • djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 3:01 pm

        Outstanding stuff!

  29. blade3colorado said, on September 30, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    Cracking up about Amy G. asking Hunter Pence if he is going to coach . . . “Umm, yeah Amy. In fact, check out my training camp I do for youth baseball players.”

  30. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 2:36 pm

    Pence’s OPS has slid back to .592.
    Not a long visit to the .600s.

  31. unca_chuck said, on September 30, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    Shit, the Niners had a 14-0 lead. About to evaporate though.

  32. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 3:03 pm

    I have huge respect for Pence. He’s forever a Giants hero.
    But it’s pretty hard for me to feel emotional about today. He never should have been on the roster this season. He did nothing in Spring Training to earn a spot, and to be starting on opening day. It was not a baseball decision. It was a contract decision. I don’t blame Pence for embarrassing himself for $18 million this season. It’s the Giants front office to blame. Pence was clearly done at the end of last season.

  33. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 3:18 pm

    As for Bochy…..

    • Bozo said, on September 30, 2018 at 3:49 pm

      Perfect.

  34. Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    • djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 6:19 pm

      That’s how Maury Wills was able to appear in 165 games in 1962…

  35. blade3colorado said, on September 30, 2018 at 6:06 pm

    Worst month in franchise history at 5-20 (.200) The Giants went 5-18 (.217) in July 1899 and 5-17 (.227) in June 1902. Oy vey!

    It can only be brighter days from here. 🙂

    • djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 6:23 pm

      The 1962 Mets (40-120) never had less than 6 wins in any month except April when they only played 16 games…

    • unca_chuck said, on September 30, 2018 at 6:41 pm

      Wanna bet?

  36. gianthead said, on September 30, 2018 at 6:44 pm

    Scherzer not starting probably won me my Yahoo fantasy cash league. I loaded up with extra Rockies players last few weeks including Dahl, who hit 4 Homer’s this week. I ended up winning by .003 in batting average:) Going to be a long off-season for us with the expectation Boch will be back making it even longer…

  37. Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    Wow, I just saw this. The Orioles finished 61 games behind Boston. That’s 3 games more than KC won all season.

  38. sandog said, on September 30, 2018 at 7:10 pm

    Just saw today’s score. Thank goodness I didn’t watch or listen to a second of it.
    Can’t wait to scroll through comments now.

    • Flavor said, on September 30, 2018 at 7:54 pm

      most of us missed it, I think.

  39. zumiee said, on September 30, 2018 at 7:30 pm

    Scott Van Slyke was an unsigned free agent this season. He fell off the radar. He seems like he could have been a reasonable Dumpster dive.

  40. wilcojoe said, on September 30, 2018 at 7:59 pm

    Scrolling thru my Twitter feed and I just realized that the Giants and Astros both have beat writers who are literally right out of college. Kerry Crowley of the Mercury News Group covers the Giants. Hunter Adkins of the Houston Chronicle follows the Astros. Think about that for a second. Their first “real”job is that of covering a professional sports franchise.

    Hank Schulman pretends to have fun with his young counterpart on Twitter, but you have to think that’s just for appearances.

  41. Lurker John said, on September 30, 2018 at 8:34 pm

    Schulman is an idiot.

  42. djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    wilcojoe said, on March 24, 2018 at 5:43 pm (Edit)

    Ty Blach as opening day starter? Let that sink in. Good god.

    blade3colorado said, on March 24, 2018 at 5:48 pm (Edit)

    I was looking forward to Bum vs. Kershaw . . . Now, it’s Blach. Good God is right.

    djloo27 said, on March 24, 2018 at 5:51 pm (Edit)

    If you had any doubt, we are officially in the abyss…

  43. djloo27 said, on September 30, 2018 at 9:35 pm

    As Flavor said at the very top of the page:

    So long, 2018…


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