Shutting the Door on a Shit Season
It’s funny, the Giants have won 9 games more than they won in 2017 and this year feels infinitely worse. Not sure what that’s all about. Recency bias?
A one game Monday playoff for the west crown looks quite possible. The Dodgers will dismantle us today and the Nats have pussed out and decided not to start Scherzer.
Niners 10.5 dogs? Beat Hard might be better this year after more time to season. With a gun to my head I’d probably take San Die…LA. Although the better bet is the over (46). The game to watch is the Raider game. Looking forward to watching Bake play.
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With thanks to Loo for such an apt analogy.
You sure about that, Zum?
I think I was calling it the “Dark Ages”…
I’m pretty sure you also called it the wilderness.
That could be an archival assignment. Which Flapper first called it the wilderness? 🙂
I’m not very good at using the archive, though, myself.
“won 9 games more than they won in 2017 and this year feels infinitely worse. Not sure what that’s all about.”
We came into this season with hope that the older veterans would have bounce-back seasons. They’re not THAT old, right?
Well….they looked real old this season, and they’re only getting older. None of us are now expecting bounce-backs from them. And they have a few years to go on their contracts. Yikes.
Giant’s future broadcast team: Lincecum & Pence
Chargers in LA now Flav.
Maybe you didn’t hear about it—you’ve been away a long time.
lol, right. My understanding is that LA has rejected them summarily so they’re still in San Diego to me.
“…this is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.”
Recency bias over last year? Maybe so, but going 17 games under .500 after the AS break will also leave a lasting impression.
I did an archive search and saw this on BF’s main post Sept. 17:
““The Wilderness Years” is one of the great names ever given to anyone/anything here at the Flap. It invokes an image that is both funny AND a haunting reality.”
I agree.
Who is BF quoting the phrase from? I haven’t found that.
Just read on Twitter that Giants only need to score 36 runs today to catch last year’s total
I coined the term, “Wilderness years” and was excoriated for it . . .
https://oneflapdown77.com/2017/11/20/praying-they-cain-do-it/
fuck that. In hindsight it was one of the greatest nicknames ever given here at the Flap. Well done.
🙂
No idea how to go back the day before and get the entire thread, where I said it though . . .
Loo called us entering a “grim era” and this is the first documented reference to the wilderness years that I can find
blade3colorado said, on May 3, 2017 at 7:41 pm (Edit)
“We’ve clearly entered a grim era. We may have the occasional surprise season that seems to come from nowhere (’78, ’82, ’93) but my expectations for the foreseeable future are not very high…”
At least my daughter, Nguyen Michele Vo Melikean, will be able to enjoy the Giants renaissance in 2067 after going through the wilderness years Loo described.
Here’s the thread and post you cited from “Praying They Cain Do It.”
https://oneflapdown77.com/2017/11/19/someone-else-cain-have-him/
blade3colorado said, on November 19, 2017 at 9:03 pm (Edit)
Going into 2018, the Giants’ base payroll is about $170-175 million, give or take a few million. The 2018 MLB luxury tax starts at $197 million (any amount spent above that will cost the team a 50% tax).
Which leaves about $25 million available to spend freely for a franchise that needs two outfielders (maybe three); a third baseman; at least two additional pieces in the bullpen; an offensive bench that can actually create runs after the 6th inning; and, at minimum, two additional MLB-level starters.
It’s ludicrous to think Cain or Stanton will make things better short term, much, much, much less long term. We bite the bullet next year and maybe the year after that – implementing snarkk’s plan or something close to it. No way, no how, we even entertain resigning Madbum. Get something for him now, while he’s still worth more than a bag of balls. Same with Belt – allow him to re-establish his worth, then send him packing for prospects before he has his 10th (or whatever the # is) concussion. Posey? Ditto. Atlanta will probably love to have him.
If we get 75% of the plan above implemented next season – we go all out for Bryce Harper and/or Manny Machado in 2019. Hopefully, coupled with additional prospects, we make a run for the wild card in 2020. Believe me – the wilderness years are coming. Ask the Yankees, Astros, Phillies, Royals, etc. There’s no escaping the grim reaper. Our only choice is to address it head on or piecemeal (Cain, Stanton, Martinez moves).
* Obviously, snarkk and I have been on the same page ever since the 2017 shit season occurred, so he deserves credit too. 🙂
It seems worse because it is.
It’s now 2 1/2 seasons into poor to ridiculously bad baseball. No matter the degree of fan following, it adds up, you get fed up.
I look forward to major, offseason changes. No cosmetics.
Pardon the somewhat mixed metaphors, but SF needs to find its own Hercules to give this organization a high colonic of Augean Stable proportions…
Well whoever the new GM will be he has to have steely eyes and a huge set of conjones and have “The Bill Walsh philosophy” dump a player a year early then a year too late!(And he will have plenty to dump, including wasted players contacts)
Will Harry Larry give that person that kinda of power?That will be the key going forward..
OMG. Bochy on KNBR right now saying “sure, there is a possibility” Pence could be back in 2019…
I’m guessing Bochy’s days are numbered anyway. Wouldn’t read too much into that
They’ll need Pence and Blanco after Slater, Duggar, and The Oaf collide in the outfield during a ST game.
Slater, Duggar, and The Oaf can be sung to the tune of Willie, Mickey, and The Duke.
Just gotta update the lyrics a little…
I’m hoping this new VP of Baseball says I’ll sign up, as long as I choose the new 2019 manager. We can have a Bochy salute next summer on a Sat afternoon game with the Pads…
Bruce needs to walk away while his career losing record doesn’t drag into next year and tarnish his 3-5 legacy.Yeah he’s as lock for the HOF but go in with more diginty…
Perfect ending to this crap season.
A Doghair full on series Beat Down, with a Sunday final coup de grace.
Phhhhhhtttttttttt….
I wouldn’t take a pitcher out until he hits one of them. Fuck it, who cares if everyone gets tossed today.
Exclamation point to a shit sandwich season. Front office needs to have this crap game and season indelibly stamped on their collective brain housing units.
I know we don’t hit that many HRs, but if it’s true that we hit almost 50 less after the AS break than in the 1st half, maybe firing that conditioning coach wasn’t a bad idea.
Just checked the score. Disgusting.
PITCHERS IP H R ER BB K HR PC-ST ERA
A. Suarez 2.1 6 6 6 2 0 0 51-34 4.49
H. Strickland 0.1 4 3 3 0 0 1 22-14 3.97
P. Johnson 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4-3 5.56
C. Stratton 0.2 3 3 3 1 1 0 25-14 5.01
Maybe Suarez gets a pass for hitting the proverbial wall insofar as innings pitched this season, but the rest of these guys are putrid and have no business being on the squad next season IMO. Umm, right . . . All these guys will be welcomed with open arms next season. lqtm
Epic Beat-down
I shut down radio at 6-0, was disgusted then.
Just re-checked.
14-0.
Hey Larry Baer.
If you’re gonna play football, get some ballplayers in here.
WTF?…
Credit to Blade for tagging it the Wilderness Years.
Dodgers saved the rookie Beuhler for tomorrow. High pressure game tomorrow, but not an elimination game obviously.
Interesting moment of no rah-rah from K&K.
Kuiper: “Pence wants to play next season.”
Krukow: (silence)
Kuiper: (silence)
POTD.
Outstanding stuff!
Cracking up about Amy G. asking Hunter Pence if he is going to coach . . . “Umm, yeah Amy. In fact, check out my training camp I do for youth baseball players.”
Pence’s OPS has slid back to .592.
Not a long visit to the .600s.
Shit, the Niners had a 14-0 lead. About to evaporate though.
I have huge respect for Pence. He’s forever a Giants hero.
But it’s pretty hard for me to feel emotional about today. He never should have been on the roster this season. He did nothing in Spring Training to earn a spot, and to be starting on opening day. It was not a baseball decision. It was a contract decision. I don’t blame Pence for embarrassing himself for $18 million this season. It’s the Giants front office to blame. Pence was clearly done at the end of last season.
great post.
Well said Zum!
As for Bochy…..
Perfect.
That’s how Maury Wills was able to appear in 165 games in 1962…
Worst month in franchise history at 5-20 (.200) The Giants went 5-18 (.217) in July 1899 and 5-17 (.227) in June 1902. Oy vey!
It can only be brighter days from here. 🙂
The 1962 Mets (40-120) never had less than 6 wins in any month except April when they only played 16 games…
Wanna bet?
Scherzer not starting probably won me my Yahoo fantasy cash league. I loaded up with extra Rockies players last few weeks including Dahl, who hit 4 Homer’s this week. I ended up winning by .003 in batting average:) Going to be a long off-season for us with the expectation Boch will be back making it even longer…
Wow, I just saw this. The Orioles finished 61 games behind Boston. That’s 3 games more than KC won all season.
Just saw today’s score. Thank goodness I didn’t watch or listen to a second of it.
Can’t wait to scroll through comments now.
most of us missed it, I think.
Scott Van Slyke was an unsigned free agent this season. He fell off the radar. He seems like he could have been a reasonable Dumpster dive.
Scrolling thru my Twitter feed and I just realized that the Giants and Astros both have beat writers who are literally right out of college. Kerry Crowley of the Mercury News Group covers the Giants. Hunter Adkins of the Houston Chronicle follows the Astros. Think about that for a second. Their first “real”job is that of covering a professional sports franchise.
Hank Schulman pretends to have fun with his young counterpart on Twitter, but you have to think that’s just for appearances.
Schulman is an idiot.
wilcojoe said, on March 24, 2018 at 5:43 pm (Edit)
Ty Blach as opening day starter? Let that sink in. Good god.
blade3colorado said, on March 24, 2018 at 5:48 pm (Edit)
I was looking forward to Bum vs. Kershaw . . . Now, it’s Blach. Good God is right.
djloo27 said, on March 24, 2018 at 5:51 pm (Edit)
If you had any doubt, we are officially in the abyss…
As Flavor said at the very top of the page:
So long, 2018…