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Hiring Yes Men

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 31, 2018

KNBR yesterday, they were discussing the high number of new, young managers in the game today. They argued that there are so many newbies because the owners can pay them less than the “Bochy’s” and the “Scioscia’s”. And if you’re not making much money you can basically turn your manager into a butler for the numbers fellas upstairs. If you look at the managing landscape you can’t really argue with that take…..

Happy Halloween.

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  1. unca_chuck said, on October 31, 2018 at 7:56 am

    Who better than an ex-player?

  2. willedav said, on October 31, 2018 at 7:57 am

    mm none of these guys make very much anyway. Bochy or Maddon aren’t making more than Panik or Dyson money are they? Kinda funny Roberts getting all the grief and as mentioned yesterday Friedman seems to get free pass. Still Roberts as guy in the dugout has to have final say. In the Ls I heard him defend his moves, saying “I liked this guy in that spot, didn’t work out.”

    To me Roberts players lost this one for him. Opie gives up first inning bombs, then couple more. Roberts takes out Baez in a game and Wood gives up a bomb. He brings Baez in game 5 and he gives up a bomb himself. It took Dodgers 18 innings to win only game they got. They got out pitched and outhit, and had issues on D too.

    Grandal was .800 OPS who fell apart completely in October with bad D and worse hitting. He got nothing out of his 2b platoon and Hernandez another platoon guy he uses everywhere sucked too, like Taylor.

    Hard to understand why you wouldn’t play Bellinger full time tho. He is a 1b good enough to patrol CF…

  3. Bozo said, on October 31, 2018 at 8:03 am

    I kind of miss the old catchers getting the managers slot, they almost always had that classic manager look about them and it was nice knowing they could extend their careers. Watching Craig Counsell manage drove me nuts, he just looked like a guy trying to not piss his pants. Maybe I’m wrong about the guy, but I bet he chews his nails down to his knuckles.

    I can’t figure out why some of these guys have been hired to be managers, Dave Martinez managing experience comes from being Maddon’s bench coach, yeah that should do it. David Bell? It sure wasn’t from leading the Reds AAA club to 42 games under.500, thanks Dad. Andy Green? Right, like the Pads are going to spend money on a manager, but hey, he was cut by the Nippon Ham Fighters as a player.

    Yeah, maybe managers are mostly yes men these days. Anymore, I really think a Manager has to buy in completely with the GM and that GM better be successful if that team wants to do anything.

    Growing up, a friend of mine always said Happy Wallyheen for Halloween, what a great name that would make for a manager these days… Now managing for the Orange and Black, Wally Heen.

    Be safe out there y’all. Happy Wally Heen.

    • willedav said, on October 31, 2018 at 8:20 am

      Interesting point about mgr./GM. Do you think there is ever any discussion where mgr. is involved on a trade or FA? “Uh, hey we want to sign Denard Span to be our new CF. You OK with that?”
      Or is it, “I signed them, they’re yours from here. As long as my analytics IT guys say so.”

      • Bozo said, on October 31, 2018 at 8:45 am

        I don’t know Willie, they are considered “field managers” but depending on their relationship with the GM they might get a vote. Probably a lot of variables on how much weight that vote would have though.

  4. willedav said, on October 31, 2018 at 8:33 am

    Dave Martinez, lol. did he get more out of Nats than Baker did? I always thought that was his strength (and good way to judge any coach or mgr), that he got most out of his players, at least during reg season

  5. djloo27 said, on October 31, 2018 at 8:37 am

    In 1959 & 1960 I trick or treated in a store bought costume titled “Chinaman”. It included a mask (no description necessary) and a cheap, satin-like apron thing with the words “Me Too” in big letters on the front in English but made to look like Chinese writing. Somewhere, there is an 8 mm film that proves it.
    I was adorable…

    • Flavor said, on October 31, 2018 at 10:30 am

      That 8mm could replace The Masterpiece.

  6. unca_chuck said, on October 31, 2018 at 10:13 am

    Good article by John Shea regarding the Boston vs Dodger approach to managing (and building) a team.

    http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/SanFranciscoChronicle/?olv-cache-ver=20181025085428

  7. unca_chuck said, on October 31, 2018 at 10:15 am

    The gist is that Roberts and the Dodgers put the anal into analytics and went too far down that path.

  8. snarkk said, on October 31, 2018 at 10:46 am

    I believe Bochy is making $6 million per year…

    • Flavor said, on October 31, 2018 at 11:07 am

      There’s no way counsell or Boone or any of those other newbies are making that much.

  9. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on October 31, 2018 at 11:10 am

    Wed. morning in the US, good morrrrrning, Flap U. Past 1:00am now Wed. night/Thursday morning in the north of Vietnam… usually not up this late to join in here at this time, but tonight was an exception. Great massage. Succeeded in both relaxing me and charging me up…. My old routines in my previous decades of life in the US usually included a slow wake-up to the day before work: breakfast, coffee, and the morning newspaper. For much of the past 15 years over here, my morning newspaper has been the Flap (while it’s late afternoon or evening the previous day in the US). Always grateful for that. Great posts Bozo 8:03 and Loo 8:37, representing the wide variety of insight and wisdom and that resides in FlapU. Looking forward to the off-season perhaps more than I was looking forward to the start of the season. Glutton for punishment.

  10. Flavor said, on October 31, 2018 at 11:15 am

    Holland to Nats. 1 year, 7 mil. We couldn’t match that?

    • Flavor said, on October 31, 2018 at 11:17 am

      actually scratch that, that could be a mistake by Jon Heyman and he meant Rosenthal

  11. Flavor said, on October 31, 2018 at 11:19 am

    Derek Holland is still unsigned

  12. unca_chuck said, on October 31, 2018 at 12:20 pm

    Alex Cora made $800,000 this season.

  13. unca_chuck said, on October 31, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    Here’s the list . . . Hardly a pittance, but it looks like no one is getting a Gruden contract any time soon. Or ever.

    Mike Scioscia, Los Angeles Angels: $6 million
    Joe Maddon, Chicago Cubs, $6 million
    Bruce Bochy, San Francisco Giants: $6 million
    Terry Francona, Cleveland Indians: $4 million
    Buck Showalter, Baltimore Orioles: $4 million
    Ned Yost, Kansas City Royals: $3.7 million
    Clint Hurdle, Pittsburgh Pirates: $3 million
    #John Farrell, Boston Red Sox: $3 million
    Bob Melvin, Oakland A’s: $2.5 million
    Don Mattingly, Miami Marlins: $2.4 million
    #Mike Matheny, St. Louis Cardinals: $1.9 million
    John Gibbons, Toronto Blue Jays: $1.7 million
    Ron Gardenhire, Detroit Tigers: $1.5 million
    Craig Counsell, Milwaukee Brewers: $1.5 million
    Paul Molitor, Minnesota Twins: $1.5 million
    Bud Black, Colorado Rockies: $1.5 million
    #Bryan Price, Cincinnati Reds: $1.4 million
    A.J. Hinch, Houston Astros: $1.2 million
    Rick Renteria, Chicago White Sox: $1.2 million
    Aaron Boone, New York Yankees: $1.15 million
    Kevin Cash, Tampa Bay Rays: $1 million
    Dave Roberts, Los Angeles Dodgers: $1 million
    Andy Green, San Diego Padres: $1 million
    Jeff Bannister, Texas Rangers: $950,000
    Torey Lovullo, Arizona Diamondbacks: $900,000
    Davey Martinez, Washington Nationals: $850,000
    Mickey Callaway, New York Mets: $850,000
    Gabe Kapler, Philadelphia Phillies: $803,000
    Alex Cora, Boston Red Sox: $800,000
    Scott Servais, Seattle Mariners: $800,000
    Brian Snitker, Atlanta Braves: $800,000
    @Jim Riggleman, Cincinnati Reds: $700,000 (prorated)
    @Mike Shildt, St. Louis Cardinals: $700,000 (prorated)

    The hash tag means they are no longer managing, but getting paid for it.

    The @ means interim

    • Flavor said, on October 31, 2018 at 1:14 pm

      of the top 7, only Yost is someone you could tell what to do. The rest of those guys go by their gut, make their own decisions. After top 7 you’re talking about mostly yes-men

    • Bozo said, on October 31, 2018 at 1:43 pm

      The first 4 have brought the trophy home and Yost as well. I guess Showalter and Hurdle are up there in salary because of longevity, or they have some really good photos of someone.

  14. unca_chuck said, on October 31, 2018 at 1:17 pm

    I think Melvin doesn’t really listen to the upstairs folks. mainly because they could give a rat’s ass. The job he’s done with that revolving door roster is pretty damn good.

    Now that’s it’s payday for Bobby, he’s probably gone.

  15. Flavor said, on October 31, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    idiot drunk Red Sox fans

  16. alleykat69 said, on October 31, 2018 at 4:48 pm

    Hey Heyman get your shit together!
    Derek are Greg?
    I’m assuming Greg, although how stupid the Giants can be Derek couldn’t run to the bank fast enough if they gave him 30 mil..

  17. unca_chuck said, on October 31, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    Ooops. They have the broken trophy. Classic.

  18. Bozo said, on October 31, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    RIP Big Mac. Thank you so much.

  19. unca_chuck said, on October 31, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    Man, this is very sad.Willie McCovey has passed away. My all time favorite player of any sport and any era.

  20. xoot said, on October 31, 2018 at 5:20 pm

    Oh, hell. RIP indeed.

  21. pawliekokonuts said, on October 31, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    McCovey. Gentle and classic and epic.

  22. snarkk said, on October 31, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    I heard about Stretch driving home in my car.
    Tears immediately.
    I am heartbroken.
    Willie was the baseball hero of my youth; my all-time favorite Giant.
    Stretch, I will always remember your greatness, your windmill warm-up swing, your massive home runs, those 2-iron doubles, and most of all, your class and gentleness as a man.
    The Giants could not have invented a better ambassador for the franchise.
    Rest in peace, Willie Lee McCovey…

  23. Lurker John said, on October 31, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    I just saw that Willie Mac passed. So sad. An absolute all-time Giant and a great guy to boot. One of my favorite players ever and I even got to see him homer in person once, at the old Veterans Stadium in 1978. RIP, Stretch, you will be missed. A sad day for Giants Nation.

  24. chipower9 said, on October 31, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    I too just heard that Stretch passed. So incredibly sad. I never got to see him play in person, but he has always been one of my all time favorites, and an absolute class act. The Giant family just lost one of their all time best. RIP Stretch. 44❤️⚾️

  25. alleykat69 said, on October 31, 2018 at 6:27 pm

    Oh man I’m really bummed that Stretch has passed on! I did have the pleasure to watch him play as a kid, he was bigger then life to me.
    He would put fear in any pitcher when he was in the ondeck circle swinging 2 bats sometimes that looked liked toothpicks to him, then come up and either launch a HR, are smoke a laser into the gap! And then between innings when he threw to all the fielders, it was sidearm rockets 1-2 hops at most it was so cool to watch..
    RIP Willie “Stretch 44 McCovey” you will never be forgotten by me and all the Giants fans that followed your fantastic career!!

  26. Macdog said, on October 31, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    Just heard the news. RIP Stretch, a true Giant of a man.

  27. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on October 31, 2018 at 6:44 pm

    My earliest boyhood memories of baseball blur together; not sure which came first chronologically, but all around the same time, ’61 or ’62, including my first game at Yankee Stadium. But one of the first, if not the first, that I remember, was watching a game on the old grainy black & white rabbit eared antenna of the ’62 Series, and the image of McCovey at bat, looming like a true giant, and I remember wondering how in the hell the pitcher must feel, throwing to that guy, and how could anyone ever even get him out? Just a real giant among all baseball players etched forever in my early fan mind. Best of the best.

  28. zumiee said, on October 31, 2018 at 7:21 pm

    It felt like McCovey would always be there.
    He’s one of the reasons we’re Giants fans. A great player, and an honorable man of high integrity. It’s impossible for us to fully understand the racism he persevered through in his era.

    • snarkk said, on October 31, 2018 at 8:05 pm

      Great point, zum.
      If not for Stretch, I may have never been a Giants fan…

  29. djloo27 said, on October 31, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    I didn’t think it would hurt this much…

  30. Flavor said, on October 31, 2018 at 7:55 pm

    Man, I am deeply immersed in the bunker going through 14 Breeders Cup races, I’ve probably watched 100 race replays in the last 4 hours, i can barely see straight right now..
    And then I come here to see the news about McCovey. This one hit me out of the blue. I mean, I know he’s aged and shit Loo’s post about seeing him back in the mid 80’s seemed to have him close to the end THEN…. But I just wasn’t ready for this……

  31. djloo27 said, on October 31, 2018 at 8:15 pm

    djloo27 said, on October 20, 2018 at 4:59 pm (Edit)

    Marichal is 81 today. Amazing that the 5 HOF Giants of the 60’s are all over 80 and alive.
    Felipe Alou, too…


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