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Drew Pomeranz, Come on Down!

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 24, 2019

I apologize to Flap Nation for my *meh* response to the Pomeranz signing. All I said was “Whatever. Fine.” This is exactly the kind of move I want Zaidi to be making. They’re paying him squat and he won 17 games 2 years ago. Pac Bell Park and the NL West are huge improvements for his razor thin margin between success and failure. I don’t expect Zaidi to fix the absolute mess Sabean and Evans created overnight. So while we bide our time waiting the multiple years that will take to happen I am happy to watch anyone new play baseball for the Giants.
I’ll keep waving the *pom poms* if he keeps the *Pom* signings coming….

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  1. Flavor said, on January 24, 2019 at 5:34 am


    and it’s gonna be 75 Fri/Sat/Sun at Santa Anita.
    Loo, what is the Big A like in January? Total depression? Are the race books still on every corner or is that just some bullshit I believed growing up?

  2. blade3colorado said, on January 24, 2019 at 7:40 am

    Agree with your thread post. Thank you for posting that. Pomeranz is a good, inexpensive bet to do well next season. I like this signing.

    Also, no one mentioned Zumiee’s outstanding and insightful post yesterday . . . It deserves repeating:

    zumiee said, on January 23, 2019 at 11:59 am (Edit)
    The ZMan never did gigantic free agent signings with the Dodgers. He is fully onboard with the sabermetric thinking on that.
    If the Giants are somehow somewhat competitive at the All-Star break this season, he may go for a roster addition or two, but won’t take on any gigantic contracts.
    My guess is his biggest focus right at the moment is trying to unload Smarj or Longo or Melancon, or any combination of the three.
    It’s “lipstick on a pig” time. The other GMs are so analytics driven now, though, it’s really hard to pull off a bamboozle anymore.

    Snarkk said much the same thing at 9:19 pm last night.

    • sandog said, on January 24, 2019 at 8:00 am

      Getting rid of those 3 guys is all but impossible, so I hope his focus is elsewhere—like seeing if a deal can be had for Machado or Harper. Baggs had a bit in the Athletic where Z Man seemed to intimate that if the market was coming down for those guys, the Giants might take a closer look at going after one of them.

  3. willedav said, on January 24, 2019 at 7:53 am

    Well, the dodgers did re-up with Opie for 3 yrs at $30 mil. this year alone he’s making 3 times what Bum is and it’s pretty obvious that just like Bum he’s not the same guy he was few years ago.
    They owe Jansen 3 more years at $60 mil and again his last season was drop off from year before in almost every category–runs hits HRs and walks allowed, plus he lost 5 games.

    J Turner had fine season…but only played 103 games. They’ll be paying him for 2 more years by which time he’ll be 35 and making $20 mil.

    So Z did hand out yearly commitments of $70 mil to 3 guys who will be mid 30s up through next year and beyond, analytics driven or not.

  4. snarkk said, on January 24, 2019 at 8:07 am

    We all knew it, but now that ZMan has to actually work through it, we’re starting to realize how hamstrung he is by the absolute crap sandwich created for the Giants by SabEvans after the 2014 euphoria died down. The bad contracts are a jungle that can’t be hacked away quickly. And, I take a little issue with BF on this — not overnight, it took years for the minor leagues to develop cobwebs — that started before the last trophy. So, it’ll take years to fix that. When you look at it, the Giants really did not have a team worthy of winning the 2014 title — they had a team + Bum who carried them on his back in the playoffs like Paul Bunyan. You could reasonably say the organization decline started after the 2012 trophy. The minor leagues don’t crater at all levels like this overnight. I still don’t know why Sabes is supposedly still in the FO, other than face saving PR. Last I heard Evans was also still around in some capacity — maybe watching tape of kids in Santo Domingo or something…

  5. willedav said, on January 24, 2019 at 8:13 am

    It’s easy to trash Sabe/Evans sure but they are also responsible for almost all the bright spots from last year in guys they either acquired very reasonably or were drafted/developed in Giants system:
    D Rod
    W Smith
    Better seasons from vets and an OF or 2 from Z is what I’m looking for. I can live with above holdovers + Bum.

    • snarkk said, on January 24, 2019 at 8:26 am

      They won 73 games last season with the help of those bright spots.
      We need a little more bright…

      • willedav said, on January 24, 2019 at 9:28 am

        And a lot less injuries. Posey Panik Belt Craw Longo Cueto Bum Duggar Mac Slater Pablo. Yes lack of depth at farm level is certainly an issue but that’s a lot to have to overcome in the same season.

  6. gianthead said, on January 24, 2019 at 8:36 am

    San Dog, conceivably if the market was coming down on Harper, he still has ththe $300 mill offer from the Nats on the table. That is not the ceiling for the Giants but the floor.. hate to break your man crush😚🤔😁but he ain’t coming to the new Oracle.. and I think Machado got all he wanted out of SF ad a Flodger visitor…

    Let’s promote Arenado’s brother to AAA and hold out the fig leaf they could be playing together in SF in 2020.

  7. snarkk said, on January 24, 2019 at 8:48 am

    I’m expecting a Giants season with a ton of player movement, up and down, in and out. Especially pitching. And, that’s fine. ZMan has to work to find who can help and who can’t. I don’t know how Boch is going to deal with that. His big head may spin off his body. I predict lotsa post-game Cabernet. They might even bring up Bart this year if he smokes through the Cal League and AA. ZMan likes fast-tracking top prospects. Who knows if Buster’s hip is going to let him catch much? Trade Belt for prospects, put Buster at first and tell him to like it. It’ll happen next year for sure…

  8. alleykat69 said, on January 24, 2019 at 9:01 am

    When Krueger said yesterday the Giants are about to make a significant signing,Pomeranz wasn’t what I expected..
    But for 1.5 no risk even if he ends up another Moore .

  9. snarkk said, on January 24, 2019 at 9:19 am

    Kruk was amusing this morning on KNBR in his 180 degree turn. He was talking about, rather, getting us ready for another version of, Samardzxxx having a recurring “hot” shoulder this season. And, how ZMan is going to stock lotsa arms. Kruk said, paraphrasing, that Samardzzz had lots of miles on that shoulder. Uh, I would swear that Kruk has always said one of Samardzzz strong points was that because he was mostly a reliever early on, his arm did NOT have much mileage on it…

  10. Flavor said, on January 24, 2019 at 10:00 am

    the thing that always pissed me off most about Sabean and Evans was that they would fill out a roster of starters and literally have absolute shit backing all of them up. When I say starters I mean basically anyone on the team starting. One guy goes down and hands go up, “whoops, bad penny year.” Fuck that. You have to build a team of players who can play different positions, find more than just 5 starters, etc. Guys get hurt. Facts. Sabean and Evans never seemed to understand this.

  11. alleykat69 said, on January 24, 2019 at 10:11 am

    AJ Pollock signs with the Dogpile 4/60..

    • Flavor said, on January 24, 2019 at 10:22 am

      Whatever. He’s always hurt

    • willedav said, on January 24, 2019 at 11:05 am

      ouch. You knew they were going to do something for the OF. 4 yr commitment see how that works out.
      Maybe some more dominoes start to fall. Hope a couple help Giants OF.

  12. Macdog said, on January 24, 2019 at 10:53 am

    Rosenthal: Free-agent reliever Hunter Strickland in agreement with #Mariners on one-year contract, sources tell The Athletic.

  13. Bozo said, on January 24, 2019 at 11:38 am

    Zaidi isn’t hamstrung, one of the reasons the team stayed under the cap last year is so they would have money to spend without penalty. The dude just hasn’t done anything for us yet, so I’m not putting on knee pads and getting in line until he does.
    I know, it is so great to root for a team like the Padres with all those prospects every year and hey, another year in getting one of the top draft picks. Yeah prospects are great, but parades are greater.
    For at least the past ten years people have been complaining about Sabean (and Ownership, the Manager, the Coaches, the Medical staff – whatever/whoever), I remember those cries of anguish when Colletti left – oh my, Ned is really the brains it should have been Sabean leaving blah blah blah…Fuck that, how did that work out? In these last 10 years the Giants did something many of us didn’t think we’d see once in our lifetime, and they did it 3 times.

    I don’t care who Zaidi gets or how much they cost us just as long as it’s with an eye to winning now. And, I strongly believe with a few more pickups and less injuries, this year’s team can and should be playing October baseball.

    • sandog said, on January 24, 2019 at 11:53 am

      Again, I’m with you on all this.
      Besides the 3 rings, I’m also reluctant to bash Sabevans because I agreed with a lot of the moves they made that backfired. At the time, I thought locking up Craw and Belt while they were younger was smart. I liked Cueto and Smarge signings and LOVED the Melancon signing. I thought all those were good baseball moves, but they just backfired. I think I even supported the Longoria trade, which was maybe the worst move of all of them.

      Not happy to see Dodgers get stronger with Pollock.
      Here’s hoping my boy Drew Ferguson is the real deal.

      • Bozo said, on January 24, 2019 at 1:15 pm

        If Ferguson is the real deal that would be great, I think he could even play a little CF when Duggar needs a day off. I’m also hoping that Kieran Lovegrove gets some time in the ML camp this Spring. Last year he spent time in A, AA and AAA for the Indians (only 3 innings for the AAA club, but who knows).

      • sandog said, on January 24, 2019 at 1:53 pm

        I think CF is his natural position, so a Duggar/Ferguson platoon could actually happen.

  14. zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 11:55 am

    ” the dodgers did re-up with Opie for 3 yrs at $30 mil.”

    Kershaw exercised a player option in a longterm contract that was done before ZMan got there, I think.

    And I guess we could quibble about where exactly the line is drawn between “big” and “gigantic.” 🙂

    • willedav said, on January 24, 2019 at 7:33 pm

      LA owes Op $93 mil for next 3 yrs, by end of which he’ll be 33. As of now he has pitched 2100 innings ML.
      What would reaction be here if Giants offered Bum x yrs. for $93 mil?

      • zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 9:49 pm

        I don’t think Zaidi had anything to do with the Kershaw contract, if I remember correctly.

      • zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 9:51 pm

        Kershaw chose not to use his opt-out.

  15. zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 11:57 am

    I’m just saying, all of you hoping for a really big player contract from Zaidi, you’re likely to be disappointed. It’s not impossible, but it’s not likely.

  16. zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 12:14 pm

    I think Zaidi was hired with the first priority of rebuilding the abysmal farm system. It has to start with that. The key to the 3-in-5 were some great draft picks. Lincecum, Cain, Posey, Bum, and other supporting players. Yes, Sabean and Evans also made some nice pick-ups of veterans, but they seemed to totally run out of gas as executives in the last few years. They were the last to get on the train of the new analytics, and the fact that the game had changed almost overnight after the ’14 championship, with the entry of the juiced ball into the game. It’s not Sabean/Evans’ fault that a juiced ball changed the game right under their feet, but they needed to make an adjustment, and that didn’t seem to be happening. And they allowed the farm system to turn to garbage somehow. It’s amazing how bad the farm system got.

    • Flavor said, on January 24, 2019 at 12:23 pm

      my main issue with Sabean and Evans isn’t the bad decisions, it is what you are saying: “they needed to make an adjustment”. That didn’t happen. They stayed stubborn to the end. They didn’t care the game had changed. They just kept firing away with the same bullets. THAT is what was unacceptable to me.

  17. unca_chuck said, on January 24, 2019 at 1:34 pm

    As currently constituted, and I’m sure we will get some OF help, is the depth. It has bitten us in the ass these last 4 years. Even the playoff year of 2016, we were hurt. But the backups ended up playing better than the starters till the wheels fell off in the playoffs.

  18. zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    I agree with those that are saying that Bochy is not really suited to be the manager during a player evaluation season. The $6 million he’s going to make this season will be a lot of consolation, but he’s not going to be having much fun, IMO. I think Zaidi won’t push him on things too hard, because it’s Bochy last season. Zaidi will let Bochy ride into the sunset after this season, and then Zaidi will hire his own guy, a young analytics-driven guy.

  19. gianthead said, on January 24, 2019 at 4:37 pm

    Well I believe I pegged Pollack at $65-$70 mill over 4-5 years last month. Hate to see him go for less to the FHead Flodgers…

  20. Flavor said, on January 24, 2019 at 6:09 pm

    Just got back from the grocery store, told em *times are tough* they said *fuck it Flavor, pay us when you can* and off I went with my free shit. What an idiot I am, I should have done this years ago!

  21. zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    There’s a lot of Dodger fans not thrilled with the Pollock signing. Here’s a response to the signing:


    Posted by Rob88 on Jan 24, 2019 | 9:44 AM

  22. zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    Dodger fans loved Puig…..because he’s so darned lovable.

    • willedav said, on January 24, 2019 at 8:16 pm

      yeah that’s the argument on MLBTR thread. Puig vs. Pollock. Just don’t think LA was gonna offer Puig an extension and he supposedly was pissed Roberts kept platooning him and holding down his value in walk year. Also saw comments Puig’s mentor in LA was the former hitting coach that is also now with Reds.

      Speculation Pederson next one out the door in trade.

  23. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on January 24, 2019 at 9:00 pm

    While you can’t really worry about what other teams are doing to improve themselves, it is interesting to look at the different approaches of last year’s worst teams. I think it was something like 4 teams finished with worse records than the Giants, Reds being one of them. Reds have already added 3 starting pitchers, 2 starting outfielders, and 1 catcher and they say they’re not done yet. That’s a lot. Time will tell if it pays off for them. Meanwhile, less than 3 weeks before (as Bozo funnily quipped) the pitcher and catcher report to Scottsdale. Z says he’s comfortable with the fact that he feels there are options out there even if he hasn’t pulled a major trigger yet. Patience is a virtue.

  24. zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 10:04 pm

    I looked up Kershaw’s contract. Willie and I are both right, sort of; even though we disagree, I guess. 🙂
    In order to keep Kershaw from opting out, the Dodgers added an extra year to his contract. So, it depends on how you want to see that. But that may have been Friedman pulling the trigger on that.
    “Kershaw was set to earn $32 million in 2019 and $33 million in 2020 under the terms of his old contract, a seven-year deal signed before the 2014 season that at $215 million was the largest in Dodgers franchise history.
    The new deal essentially added a year and $28 million, taking him through his age-33 season. That extension is higher than the annual average value of any pitching contract signed in the last two years.”

    • zumiee said, on January 24, 2019 at 10:09 pm

      Kershaw signed the original 7-year contract before the start of the 2014 season, and Zaidi was hired in November of 2014.

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