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Party Hard or Party Lame?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on February 7, 2019

Man, you have 2 very different Fanfests looming. The first one is the team fake-celebrating the worst team in the National League and trying to sell the fans on *the core* and a couple of never-was prospects in the outfield. Or, they roll out Bryce Harper. There really is no in between. Most Giants fans are like sheep and will be fine with either. But this is without question going to be either the lamest fanfest since the days my dad wandered around with a few hundred other people or one of the most jacked up parties AT&T has had in years.

10% we get Harper? Is that too high or too low?


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  1. zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 6:52 am

    I’ll say about a 2% chance of it happening. It’s not totally impossible, but would be very different from Zaidi’s usual approach.
    But, ultimately, Baer can make it happen if he chooses to. You know Baer is feeling twitchy about the marketing this season.

    • Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 7:46 am

      Baer has gotta be looking at Sat Fanfest like it’s a black fucking hole

  2. dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:23 am

    I’d say its pretty much 50/50 and agree that Baer is probably feeling the pressure after an off season of questionable political donations from ownership and fan fest coming up.

    I’m as down with Zaidi as the next fan but I’m not ready to anoint him the prospect whisperer until he shows something in SF. I don’t follow beer league teams so I wouldn’t know but did he have some fantastic drafts with the A’s or something? As I understand it he joined the dodgers in 2014 and when I look at the dodgers 40 man I’m not seeing a bunch of guys that burned a path to the big club since he took over. Name an impact player on their roster and they were drafted or brought in on Consigliere Colletti’s watch.

  3. alleykat69 said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:23 am

    Zero percent on Harper this team never makes a big splash except Bonds 26 years ago under Magowan!..And don’t anyone count Zito please..

    • djloo27 said, on February 7, 2019 at 3:54 pm

      You kind of have to count Zito, Kat…

  4. willedav said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:29 am

    It would be great if Giants had couple shiny new toys to show off beside Drew Pomeranz.

    Bottom line, winning games will solve any marketing issues. Pick up a couple bats, vets stay healthy, young pitching continues to grow this is doable.

    Hey props to Kings for picking up Harrison Barnes and shedding Shumpert and Justin Jackson. He provides immediate upgrade to starting forward over Bjelica, and brings vet presence of time with winning organization and environment to young team. Even at Golden State Barnes was unselfish guy who was content to move the ball to the shooters and cut through to opposite side of floor to give them space to operate.

  5. zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:37 am

    We Flappers can disagree on the Giants’ path forward, but the Giants’ front office all needs to be on the same page. One of the interesting things going on this season is seeing how the Zaidi/Baer/Bochy/ relationship plays out. And throw in a little Sabean in the mix, too. Are these guys all going to be on the same page? The potential for things to get ugly are there. How’s Bochy going to dig lineup suggestion memos coming from Zaidi?
    I don’t see Bochy having much fun this season. I’d be shocked if the Giants re-sign him as manager.

    • wilcojoe said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:45 am

      Being on the same page is paramount. I bet anything Baer is salivating at the chance to sign Harper and grab some popcorn headlines in doing so. Especially now with his mentor’s recent passing, you have to think he is having some serious flashbacks to the winter of 92/93, except its his curly head at the podium and not Magowan’s.

      This would be a major snag in Zmans plans, if Baer opens up the coffers for Harper.

  6. willedav said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:58 am

    Thing about LA is more about guys they brought in and drafted/ developed in minors that were able to help the team. They got Grandal from the Pads in the Kemp deal. in 4 years he hit 89 HRs for LA with .790 OPS, far more than he did for SD.
    They picked up Chris Taylor from Mariners in June of 2016 and he’s been starter at various positions.
    KIke Hernandez came over from Marlins in Dee Gordon deal Dec. 2014. Again standout back up multiple positions, with power.
    Feb 2014 they signed Justin Turner who has been monster.
    Joc Pederson is 11th round pick, Bellinger 4th round (I think).
    And like it or not they got 2 good seasons from Puig when he was at lowest point and sent to minors. So coaching and scouting along with evaluation of talent has paid great dividends.

    • willedav said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:02 am

      I left off Muncy who might be a one off lucky move but above guys are just the hitters that have helped them besides SPs Ryu Maeda Buehler Wood Hill.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:12 am

      Fair point regarding Grandal & Taylor. Look, I want the guy to be successful but I’m in a wait and see mode. Simply saying that Zaidi joined the dodgers in Nov 2014. Promoting talent within the org is easier than finding it to begin with.

      Turner signed with LA in Feb 2014
      Hernandez = July 2014
      Bellinger = 2013
      Puig = 2013
      Pederson = 2010

      • Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:23 am

        Great points

      • willedav said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:50 am

        yes, less about Zaidi as an individual than overall org strength and figuring out who can really help your team.

  7. snarkk said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:54 am

    Sheez, give the Zman some time. Sabes and Bobby were already well along working on this S sandwich they’ve left when Bum was walking out the Pen gate into game 7 2014…

    • blade3colorado said, on February 7, 2019 at 10:02 am

      Exactly . . . We’ve been into this wilderness “shit sandwich” for 2.5 years because of those 2 dolts. Zman deserves at least that much time to address this mess.

    • Bozo said, on February 7, 2019 at 11:57 am

      Wait, you’re complaining because they went for the ring in 2014?

  8. sandog said, on February 7, 2019 at 11:50 am

    I’m willing to give Zaidi some time. But if he chooses to start this season without adding ANY free agent outfielders, I’m gonna be all over him. Doesn’t have to be Bryce Harper. There are 10+ guys sitting out there who could help us and still allow us to give plenty of time to our young players.
    Its not enough for me that he is laying the groundwork to have a solid minor league system in 5 years. I want the current product on the field upgraded at the same time. It’s possible to do both. Especially while (in my opinion anyway) our infield is still capable of being a solid unit.

  9. Bozo said, on February 7, 2019 at 11:52 am

    Baa, baa, orange and black sheep…Yeah, I’m one of those guys.

    A lot getting thrown around here today.
    1) I’m with dirt on Zaidi, I know Farhan takes credit for getting Muncy but other than that, I don’t know what he did on his own for the Dodgers. Hell, they have something like 15 ex GMs don’t they? With the As he was their stat guy I doubt little Billy let him make many decisions. Oh yeah, his resume says he worked for the As and Dodgers, he doesn’t get fuck all slack from me until he does something for the Giants that hurts both the As and the Dodgers.

    2) We won’t know now, or probably ever, the type of interaction that goes on between Zaidi, Baer, Bochy and Sabean. Bochy reports to Zaidi, both Zaidi and Sabean report to Baer and Baer reports to Johnson and I guess the other owners. None of those people are really known for giving to much info, so whatever we come up with will just be pure speculation.

    3) Our Farm system is rated low, so is the Marlins who have had high draft picks and have traded off their best players. The Red Sox are also rated low and they are the Champs.
    The Padres have the number 1 rated Farm team and they’ve done shit with it, The As continually have a top rated system, woo fucking hoo. Yes, the Dodgers do have a top 10 rated system and they’ve done well with it, they are also probably still paying Manny.

    I want to win and I want to win now, teams like the Royals, Marlins and Padres always seem to be in rebuild mode and that hasn’t worked for them and it doesn’t work for me. Not after winning three.

    I wasn’t sold on getting Harper earlier this winter, now I’m all in. Our pitching staff could be more solid than folks are giving them credit for, add a true number 4 in the lineup and we could make some series noise.

    That’s my take, anyway.

  10. willedav said, on February 7, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    Oh shoot. Frank Robinson dead at 83. Damn

    • Bozo said, on February 7, 2019 at 12:58 pm

      RIP Frank.

  11. Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 12:52 pm

  12. Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    lol, now they’re all gone

  13. blade3colorado said, on February 7, 2019 at 1:11 pm

    One of my favorite players and managers. RIP Frank. Loved these 2 quotes from him for two reasons: 1. He always cracked me up with his no BS sense of humor; and 2. He hated what was happening to the game right around the time he was managing teams.

    “I don’t see why you reporters keep confusing Brooks (Robinson) and me. Can’t you see that we wear different numbers.”

    and . . .

    “The fan is the one who suffers. He cheers a guy to a .350 season then watches that player sign with another team. When you destroy fan loyalties, you destroy everything.”

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 7, 2019 at 1:34 pm

    Bummer to hear about Robinson. I never saw him play but dude won the triple crown and posted awesome numbers yet somehow is overshadowed when the greats are talked about. RIP.

  15. wilcojoe said, on February 7, 2019 at 1:55 pm

    My favorite Frank Robinson story was told by Krukow. I believe it was the home opener in 1984 when Yul Brynner was in town performing The King and I, so he was asked to throw out the first pitch. Krukow had started the opener and was getting lit up. When Robinson came out to grab the ball he told Kruk, “Goddamn, Yul Brynner had better stuff than you.”

    • djloo27 said, on February 7, 2019 at 4:10 pm


  16. zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    There’s no point in hiring Zaidi unless you’re trying to rebuild. So, it would have been fun to be a fly on the wall during that job interview with Baer.
    Ideally, a team would try to contend at the same time as they’re rebuilding, but that’s pretty hard to do. A team trying to do that is more likely to end up like the Phillies a few years ago and the Tigers, spinning their wheels pointlessly, and oh yeah, the Giants lately.
    The Giants needed to get fully onboard with the new analytics. They were getting crushed by the new young GMs who are deep into analytics. There was a time not very long ago when the case could be made that Sabean and crew were ahead of the other GMs. The Giants were the first team to pay big money for middle relievers, for example. The Giants were bullpenning before bullpenning became fashionable. But the game quickly caught up and passed the Giants. The Giants in the last few years have been getting ridiculously out-maneuvered by other teams. For example, in drafting pitchers from Vanderbilt. The Giants picked Beede, and then the Dodgers picked Beuhler. How does that happen? When the Giants picked Arroyo in the first round, the other GMs were scratching their heads on that pick. Nobody else had him on their board as a firstround pick. Something had to change.

    • blade3colorado said, on February 7, 2019 at 3:54 pm

      That’s one of your best posts Zumiee. Loved everything about it, especially the examples supporting your post, e.g., Tigers, Phils, Beede, Beuhler, and Arroyo. Nice (wish I wrote it).

    • Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 4:40 pm

      agree with Blade, outstanding post. Your Beede/Arroyo examples were $$$$. Look, I appreciate everything Sabean did for the organization but the game had completely passed him by. And he was too stubborn to accept that. He and Evans HAD to go and Bochy probably needs to go with them. I’m not hating on these guys, it’s just over for them. I don’t get wed to players or coaches or GMs forever. If they’re getting results, right on, keep them. If not, get them the fuck out.

      • zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 7:31 pm

        Thanks for the kind words, fellas. 🙂

  17. xoot said, on February 7, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    Frank Robinson, played basketball with Bill Russell and baseball with Vada Pinson and Curt Flood in HS, in West Oakland, and then went on to dominate baseball for a long time. First black manager, first-ballot HOFer, and one tough mofo. This series against the bums was probably the highlight of the 83 season–especially Robinson’s mockery of Steve Howe’s coke habit. Robinson could be funny as hell when he wanted to be.


    • djloo27 said, on February 7, 2019 at 4:29 pm

      Doubt it happened but how incredible would it be if those 3 were in the same OF at some point in an ASG?
      Sad to hear about Robinson. I wonder if he make the Giants growing memorial patch sleeve this season.
      McCovey, Magowan, Greenwald…

      • Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 4:41 pm

        There’s a scenario I see where the only memorial patch we see this year is #44.

      • alleykat69 said, on February 7, 2019 at 4:52 pm

        They should have a patch in place for are outfield, may they all RIP!!

      • djloo27 said, on February 7, 2019 at 4:57 pm

        Still irks me that a few years ago they wore patches for Davenport & Irvin but snubbed Jim Ray Hart.

  18. alleykat69 said, on February 7, 2019 at 4:49 pm

    Real saddened about Frank Robinson’s death. Great player I remember as a kid.Triple crown winner, MVP in both leagues! ( only man with that distinction)14 time all-star,586 HR’s 4th behind Ruth,Aaron &Mays when he retired and one hard nose player that left it all on the field!
    Then to become baseball’s 1st black Manager as well,make that player manager for the lowly Indians later the Giants quite a resume for a special man..RIP Frank

  19. Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 5:06 pm

    I’m not looking up his record as manager for the Giants but I recall him piloting some pretty shitty teams. I understand he broke an important barrier and maybe he had some shitty players but I think it’s safe to say Robinson wasn’t a very good manager—certainly not close to what he was as a player. Yes? No?

    • alleykat69 said, on February 7, 2019 at 5:34 pm

      He never did manage any good teams of course,not much to choose from with shitty Indian teams,Giants,Orioles,Expos/Nationals when they split from the border.
      Did win a Manager of the year award with the Orioles in 89 when they went 87-75 but still didn’t win their league.Matter of fact he never did get a team in the playoffs..

    • blade3colorado said, on February 7, 2019 at 5:36 pm

      Just my take Flav, but he was an excellent manager strategically and tactically. However, he was a hard ass, old school, dude, who didn’t appreciate the modern player. Personally, I always liked those types of managers, until Bochy managed the Giants in his “laid back way” and got results. Also, as you pointed out, for the most part – he had shitty teams. I had to look this up and I was surprised to find this quote which captures why he probably wasn’t more successful as a manager:

      “Managers don’t have as much leverage as they used to have. We can’t really be the boss. If I say to a veteran player, ‘If you don’t perform, you may be sent back to the minors, they look at me and say, ‘Who are you kidding? I’m not going anyplace. I’ve already had three years in the major leagues and you can’t send me back to the minor leagues without my ok.'”

      • Macdog said, on February 7, 2019 at 5:52 pm

        From MLB.com story:

        Perhaps his second-most memorable managerial assignment was taking over the 1988 Orioles when they were 0-6.

        That team would lose its next 15 games, going 0-21 on its way to 107 losses. At 0-18, Robinson received a telephone call from President Reagan. Hoping to console the skipper, Reagan said, “Frank, I know what you’re going through.”

        “Mr. President,” Robinson told him, “with all due respect, you have no idea.”

  20. Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    besides signing Pence the Rangers also signed Davidson to a minor league deal. That was irritating to see. Seems to me a guy like Davidson would be a perfect fit for a RH power starved team like the Giants.

  21. snarkk said, on February 7, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    Responding to Bozo’s 11;57, if it was for me:
    No, I’m not complaining about the 2014 title.
    I mean to say that the S sandwich of a total organization handed to ZMan was already being put together by SabEvans even prior to 2014 with crap draft picks, lousy international signings that showed up as a bare cupboard in 2016 and beyond. From second half 2016 through last season, the Giants record was one of the worst, or worst in MLB. 2018 showed every single Giants farm teams ending up last in their leagues. That S doesn’t happen overnight. So, my point is that ZMan can’t be expected to clean out this stall overnight, either…

    • Bozo said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:04 pm

      “Sabes and Bobby were already well along working on this S sandwich they’ve left when Bum was walking out the Pen gate into game 7 2014…”

      Sorry if I misunderstood your comment but this sounded to me like you were saying they screwed up by going for it in 2014.

  22. snarkk said, on February 7, 2019 at 7:00 pm

    RIP to Frank Robinson.
    A charter member of the ’60s Golden Age of Baseball…

  23. djloo27 said, on February 7, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    I’ve posted this before, but if you go to the 1:29:50 mark you will see some of the strangest few minutes in baseball, courtesy of the late Frank Robinson. I think he went to take a crap in the middle of an AB…

    • alleykat69 said, on February 7, 2019 at 7:44 pm

      Agree Loo, after he didn’t get the HBP call which sure looked like he got nailed, I think he just wanted to show that ump.Frank was still pulling his pants up liked he just pinched a loaf and that delay was monumental for the times,especially since Weaver wasn’t too involved in this incident..

      • djloo27 said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:35 pm

        Deciding game of the WS, no less…

  24. zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    The most successful team in the 2000s so far, the Red Sox, have burned through 3 GMs and 3 managers in that time period. And have been willing to eat bad contracts. That organization sets a brisk pace now. That’s the battlefield as it is now. The ancient Chinese book The Art of War says you have to fight the battle you are in, not the battle you originally planned to be in. In addition to all the new analytics that we the fans know about, some teams have their own secret proprietary analytics that we don’t know about.
    A few years ago Bochy half-jokingly referred to the analytics guys as propeller heads. He’s got one as his boss now.

    • Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:01 pm

      that was the most infuriating thing about the last few seasons. Sabean and Evans just kept pushing ahead with status quo doing all the things they did before. Who cares if it worked before? The game changed immediately and dramatically and they stuck their head in the sand and ignored it all. Fuck them.

      • zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:19 pm

        Well, your last line is harsher than I would say it, 🙂 but, yeah, it was their time to go.

  25. Flavor said, on February 7, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    wow that Laker game.

  26. zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 7:39 pm

    Incredible final 20 seconds in the Lakers/Celtics game. 3 lead changes, and Lakers win at the buzzer.

  27. willedav said, on February 7, 2019 at 8:45 pm

    Lot of nice tributes here and elsewhere. Shea and Jenkins both have good ones in Chron online.
    Only thing I miss is seeing pic of Frank Robinson in his Reds uni. Those old ones were great, with the jersey top like the Pirates, only with the red sleeves. Unless you were a big strong guy like Ted Kluszewski

    No he wasn’t as good a mgr as a player, but that’s a pretty high bar.

  28. snarkk said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    There will never be an era in MLB as great as the ’60s Golden Age. I say that with total conviction.
    Mays, Frank Robinson, Mantle, Aaron, Clemente, Brooks Robinson, Koufax, Marichal, Gibson, Seaver, Stretch, Maury Wills, Willie Davis, Killebrew, Drysdale, Brock, Yastremski, Maris, Ernie Banks, Whitey Ford, Fergie Jenkins, Rose, on and on…

    • zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:27 pm

      Less teams, more Hall of Famers per team.

  29. zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:32 pm

    MLB is changing the name of the disabled list to the injured list, out of respect to people in life who have real disabilities. A nice gesture that will get pounded as being overly politically correct. I just think it’s a nice gesture.
    Thankfully people in baseball stopped using the word “hobbled.” That was out of the 19th century.

    • zumiee said, on February 7, 2019 at 9:36 pm

      I couldn’t stop cringing every time Javier Lopez said “cripple pitch” on broadcasts. I hope somebody talked to him about that.

      • djloo27 said, on February 8, 2019 at 3:52 am

        “Chink in the armor” is also upsetting to a certain Asian midget…

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