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So You’re Telling Me There’s a Chance…

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on February 26, 2019

If this is true than the SF beat writers like Henry Schulman were FOS (shocker) when they floated the idea of the Giants offering nothing but short term deals.

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If this is true than somehow, impossibly, the Giants are still in on this fucking prima donna and are considering and possibly even offering him 300 million dollars. Otherwise, why would the Giants go to Vegas?

Still, it seems they are obviously up against it. I want this to just be over, I’m tired of hearing about Bryce Harper. He’s a tool. A tool I’d take on my team but a tool nevertheless…..

 

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  1. Bozo said, on February 26, 2019 at 6:51 am

    If he doesn’t sign with us, Bryce Harper isn’t just a tool, he’s a low down, no good, dirty rotten, yellow bellied, side-windin’, sap-suckin’, flea-bitten tool!

  2. willedav said, on February 26, 2019 at 7:29 am

    Well, it is Heyman. He’s about as trustworthy as most of the ST BS from any writers for any team.
    Fun fact: Marvin Bagley has a younger brother Marcus who is 6-8 and plays for Sheldon HS of Sac. They are playing in NorCal Open (top) Division playoffs and winners of Sac/Joaquin Section D1 title (which he missed due to injury).

  3. Flavor said, on February 26, 2019 at 7:30 am

    really interesting ST interview this morning with the Murph and Mac show on KNBR–they talked to Mac, here are the highlights (I had to leave mid interview)
    1) for you DuffMan fans: he and Mac are best friends and Mac said Duff put on 20 lbs this Winter and is now at 190. His power stroke will be interesting to watch this year…..BTW Mac said he gained 20 lbs too.
    2) I know his girlfriend wrote an article last year about his concussion struggles but he was more specific in terms of how it affected his play:
    a) he not only had double vision but his depth perception was completely screwed up. IN the outfield a ball would get hit and he’d break in and it would fly over his head. He’d break back, it would drop in front of him. He said he had to keep his head down and look up just to get a half way decent bead on the ball. This obviously effected his hitting too
    b) when he wasn’t at the park he was sleeping. Always sleeping.
    c) he had panic attacks regularly
    3) he’s completely healthy now.
    I for one am rooting for him because he’s one of the few guys we have who can hit the ball out of the park

  4. snarkk said, on February 26, 2019 at 8:22 am

    I’m down with Mac the Oaf. Like to see him make the 25, yeah, if only that he can run into one every so often. I wouldn’t bet the farm though on him not getting hurt, that seems to be his MO. Trouble is there’s some decent outfield competition this year, decent not great. On a good team, he’s just another guy in camp…

    • Flavor said, on February 26, 2019 at 8:30 am

      I’d put him ahead of pretty much everyone but Duggar. We need that pop. The *Cam Maybin’s* in camp can go to another camp, as far as I’m concerned.

  5. willedav said, on February 26, 2019 at 10:10 am

    Long column on Chron from Schulman re: Mac this morning. Among other things, even though he passed the concussion protocol he was far from ready to play. And also admits he should have taken advice from both Belt and Panik not to rush back.
    Chron and SFGate fwiw introducing new policy on logging in to read their online content as of this morning. hmmnn.

  6. gianthead said, on February 26, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Damn Arenado extened and highest av salary so now BABY HARPER will demand more. F Him and Boras..

  7. gianthead said, on February 26, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Damn Arenado extened and highest av salary so now BABY HARPER will demand more. F Him and Boras..

  8. willedav said, on February 26, 2019 at 10:58 am

    GH has a point there and I think Snarkk said something similar couple days ago. F/G wrote about this too right after Machado signed his big deal. If Boras can’t get anything done in similar vein for Harper, sure makes him look bad. And he’s backed himself into a corner because it doesn’t seem like anyone except Phils are willing to go near the years and dollars it would take. I think most fans would admit both Machado and Arenado bring more to the table than Harper especially defensively.
    Surprised that Machado Arenado and Aaron Hicks all got such long term deals. Good for them.
    And while I admire Arenado’s game, this isn’t good news for Giants either.

  9. alleykat69 said, on February 26, 2019 at 11:06 am

    Yeah 32,5 mil average for Arenado on this 8 year deal, key is he has a opt out after the 3rd year, smart strategy move,
    Harper’s bitch ass price just went up to top Arenado’s contract for sure though, he and and his butt buddy Boras will make sure of that..

    • gianthead said, on February 26, 2019 at 11:21 am

      Arenado will be Rocky Mountain High if he took the opt-out at 31…when is Blackmon a free agent???

      Man first Bud Black and now Arenado…my two prime targets. Trout I guarantee will be a Philly…

      • alleykat69 said, on February 26, 2019 at 12:04 pm

        For sure Trout will be a Phillie GH.
        Scary team if they get Harper as well for that OF.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 26, 2019 at 12:04 pm

        Blackmon already signed a 6 year contract last April GH. it’s worth $108 million, but could be worth as much as $116 million if he meets incentives. Rockies rarely use to do this shit (cheap). However, Bridich has convinced ownership you have to pay to play, so not surprised the last couple of years with Blackmons’s deal, nor Arenado, Desmond or Murphy’s deals. All of these guys got paid good coin.

      • unca_chuck said, on February 26, 2019 at 12:40 pm

        Where are the Rox lux-tax-wise, Blade?

  10. willedav said, on February 26, 2019 at 12:28 pm

    No problem with giving Mac all time he needs in OF. just rather would have seen Giants sign Marwin Gonzalez for 2/21 mil Twins paid him. He could have been back up vs. LHP for Crawford or Panik (like Solarte), and/or started in OF alongside Mac Duggar/Ferguson. He likely could have done lot more for SF than Slater (who gets hurt every year) Parra or Maybin, and the $$ isn’t outrageous.

  11. unca_chuck said, on February 26, 2019 at 12:37 pm

    Snoracle indeed. It appears Farhand Luke’s strategy is to go the 100-loss route.

    There’s being prudent, and there’s being stagnant.

    • sandog said, on February 26, 2019 at 1:28 pm

      Agree. If this is our roster heading into the year, we are basically tanking and that pisses me off.

  12. blade3colorado said, on February 26, 2019 at 12:48 pm

    Willie, you’re absolutely correct about the Arenado signing not being good news for the Giants. Frankly, I am as worried about the Sherpas, as I am the Dodgers . . . perhaps, even more worried, insofar as their (bright) future. Specifically, the Sherpas have a young, inexpensive, good pitching staff which will only get better. Similarly, they have a good to excellent farm system. Maybe this season Garrett Hampson makes an appearance and sticks. In the future, they have stud Brendan Rodgers (a top 25 prospect on most experts lists) coming up as well. Ironically, the Rockies weakness last season was hitting. That’s probably not going to happen this season, especially with Murphy on board and everyone else having better seasons than they did last year.

    However, the most important news – besides Arenado sticking with them long term – is their upcoming television deal expiration in 2021. Why? it is one of the worst in all of MLB. Perhaps, bottom 3, maybe even worse than that. Consequently, their new TV deal will be significantly more and fund contracts like Arenado’s.

  13. blade3colorado said, on February 26, 2019 at 12:51 pm

    Unca, approximately $146 million.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 26, 2019 at 1:27 pm

      Wow, all those deals and they are way under.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 26, 2019 at 1:46 pm

        It may be an extra 12 or so million dollars with Arenado’s new deal.

  14. Bozo said, on February 26, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    Tony Garcia with his first HR of the Spring.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 26, 2019 at 1:28 pm

      I missed seeing him play in Puerto Rico by 10 days.

      • Bozo said, on February 26, 2019 at 1:42 pm

        Did you get to see any games at all while you were there?

      • unca_chuck said, on February 26, 2019 at 2:22 pm

        No, the Caribbean League season had just ended. Woulda been a kick to see a game there. I did see this though . . . 6:46 am on my way to go scuba diving.

        IMG_0242

      • Bozo said, on February 26, 2019 at 3:01 pm

        Damn, getting them to the academy early.

  15. snarkk said, on February 26, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    At current course and speed, this looks like a 5th place finish for the Giants this year, as Flemm might say. Oh well, at least we may see a boatload of different on field contributors to it…

  16. unca_chuck said, on February 26, 2019 at 3:33 pm

    Gigantes de Carolina is Tony Garcia’s team.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/roster.jsp?sid=l132&t=t_ros&cid=687

    • Bozo said, on February 26, 2019 at 3:59 pm

      Cool. I read that he was also born in Carolina PR, talk about getting to play for your home team.

    • blade3colorado said, on February 26, 2019 at 4:02 pm

      I also noticed Todd’s son, Bret Helton was on this team. Sounds like a last gasp effort to keep the dream alive, i.e., originally drafted by the Pirates in the 9th round, but now, almost 26 with a lackluster minor league pitching record.

  17. unca_chuck said, on February 26, 2019 at 3:43 pm

    Kershaw ain’t getting better. He felt ‘not great’ after playing catch. But no plans to do any testing on his arm. Per ESPN:

    “It’s not ideal,” Roberts said. “You’re hoping when he picks up a ball that he comes out of it feeling better. So obviously it’s not ideal. But we’ll deal with whatever comes our way.”

    Roberts said there were still no plans for testing.

    “We’ll get together with the training staff and come up with a course of action for Clayton,” he said. “But right now, we don’t have an MRI scheduled.”
    ________________________________

    I mean, shit. He’s only getting paid a zillion dollars to be our stud pitcher. Why would we want to find out what is wrong? Right Dave?

    This kind of shit is beyond retarded. For all anyone knows, he’s fucking up his shoulder more by even throwing lightly. Oh well, in the end I guess it’s good news for the rest of the west.

  18. djloo27 said, on February 26, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    People who say they aren’t secretly happy when an opponent’s star player gets injured (unless it’s something really serious) are usually full of shit…

    • Flavor said, on February 26, 2019 at 5:22 pm

      if we weren’t the worst team in the division I might care more about this. As it is, Kershaw being hurt doesn’t do anything for me one way or the other. He’s been kinda going downhill for a while now, the velo drop was just the latest sign another injury was about to happen. No surprise either with that weirdo windup he’s got.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 26, 2019 at 8:33 pm

      I could give a shit either way. I just don’t get how blasé the Dodgers are about this. They just paid him $93 mill and are like, yeah, we’ll let him throw and see what happens. Why bother getting himn checked out by doctors?

  19. djloo27 said, on February 26, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    I think the Knicks just hand out uniforms to people on the street and put them on the roster…

    • Macdog said, on February 26, 2019 at 7:10 pm

      Looks like those new players haven’t read the tanking memo.

  20. Flavor said, on February 26, 2019 at 7:30 pm

    i think this dude’s twitter acct has surpassed Super70ssports as my favorite.

  21. djloo27 said, on February 26, 2019 at 8:22 pm

    Just watched the 30 in 30 on the Giants that I’d recorded.
    They seem like a nice bunch of guys.
    You know what Leo Durocher said about nice guys…

  22. snarkk said, on February 26, 2019 at 11:12 pm

    I’m with you guys above.
    Kershaw is getting paid a shiton of gold, has a bad wing, and the Doghair braintrust isn’t going to get an MRI on it, stat ?
    WTF? Like Chuck said, every time he throws right now, he could be making “it” worse, whatever “it” is. Are they insane or consulting with Giants medicos ?…

  23. snarkk said, on February 27, 2019 at 1:17 am

    Hey, the Smashmouth band, a great source of sports journalism, is reporting a new FO rift between Zman and ownership re: Harper. …

    Smash Mouth
    ‏Verified account @smashmouth
    15h15 hours ago

    We are hearing Giants ownership/upper mgmt might not be on the same page as Zaidi regarding Harper. They want to offer a long term contract like they did with Bonds and Zaidi does NOT want to. Sabean/Baer step the F up, this is your team, not some slappy’s from the Dodgers! @KNBR

    • sandog said, on February 27, 2019 at 7:45 am

      I have been calling for Baer to pull rank on Zaidi and get this done for months.
      Make it happen!

  24. blade3colorado said, on February 27, 2019 at 8:14 am

    I love Smash Mouth – I often listen to one of their DVDs in my jeep, especially “Walkin’ On The Sun” when 4-wheeling in Moab, but please answer me this . . . How does a rock band have sources on the Giants? lqtm

    • Flavor said, on February 27, 2019 at 9:30 am

      they don’t. But they are huge Bay Area sports fans and tweet about the Giants all the time. Nobody thinks the band is doing the tweeting, it’s probably just a PR guy who they let screw around with their account

  25. unca_chuck said, on February 27, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Smashmouth is an LA band iirc. My kids were into them for a while. Funny thing is my daughters got me into System of a Down. And the Tedeschi Trucks band.

    • blade3colorado said, on February 27, 2019 at 9:08 am

      Nope. Actually, they’re from San Jose Unca.

      • unca_chuck said, on February 27, 2019 at 10:38 am

        Huh. Didn’t know that. I figured they were part of the No Doubt / Sublime Long Beach scene.

      • gianthead said, on February 27, 2019 at 2:15 pm

        That is correct…from the Jo. Maybe even as specific as Campbell…

    • sandog said, on February 27, 2019 at 10:14 am

      …..ohhhhh I like where this is trending. If Baer gets this done he’s a made man in my book.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 27, 2019 at 10:37 am

      Still think we are being played like a fiddle.

      • sandog said, on February 27, 2019 at 11:00 am

        Maybe, but I like our chances. He obviously wants to be on the west coast and it sounds like the Dodgers don’t have the stomach for 10 years. Of course, 10 years IS foolish, but we’re in no position to worry about that.
        We need to offer 10/330 and get this done.

  26. alleykat69 said, on February 27, 2019 at 11:15 am

    Phillies are the team that will end up with egg on their face.Their bidding against themselves,Harper has no intentions signing with them.Dogpile&Giants now, hopefully the Giants, but a shorter deal to maximize his prime years.5/200mil yeah that’s 40 per, but it is what it is,and the Giants have overpaid in the past and have more flexibility then the Dogpile on cash flow.Just get this shit done, were all sick& tired of this dragging on!!

  27. dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 27, 2019 at 11:20 am

    With Kershaw’s health declining and $93M still owed it the dodgers might be hesitant to pull the trigger, creating an opening for the Giants.

  28. blade3colorado said, on February 27, 2019 at 11:20 am

    I’m encouraged by Beede’s outing. Yes, only one outing, but he was throwing 97 MPH and I understand that he has ditched his 2 seamer and slider (or is using them less). Regardless, looking forward to seeing if he can build on this. He was shitty last year, both in his call up and in Triple A. He needs to put up this season.

  29. blade3colorado said, on February 27, 2019 at 1:53 pm

    Boras and the Giants in the midst of an intense battle of wits . . .

  30. Flavor said, on February 27, 2019 at 2:20 pm

    Bozo….

    • Bozo said, on February 27, 2019 at 2:23 pm

      Hell yes!

  31. unca_chuck said, on February 27, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    Yeah, it’s hard to figure who has the upper hand. Philly does seem like the best destination for him if he wants to get on a good team, and pad his HR numbers. But he’d have signed already if he wanted to be there, I’d think.

    The Dodgers are fresh off 2 WS appearances and have a solid team. Their park isn’t exactly hitter-friendly, but it isn’t Death Valley.

    I think we have the least to offer. Scuffling team, and triples alley that doesn’t play in to his LH-ness. Thing is, give Harper a 3-year out and there you go. He’ll opt out in 3 years if shit goes belly-up. If not, worry about it then.

    But someone is forking over $34 million per year.

    Hate to say it but I think he’s now heading to the Dogs.

  32. gianthead said, on February 27, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    Can someone confirm how salary cap would be handled if we give him $50 mill signing bonus and $25 mill a year lets say 10 years and he gets an opt out after years 3 and he walks after 3 years?

    • gianthead said, on February 27, 2019 at 2:48 pm

      I presume it would count as $30 mill a year against the cap. If he opts out after 3 years, he would make $125 mill over 3 years at $41.67 mill year…easily the highest average salary so the Baby/Boras camp claims victory.

      He then has the insurance of having the option of 7 more years at $25 mill each. Maybe add $2.5 mill a year on the salary for the last 7 years to get him $27.5 mill a year $192.5 mill to get the total contract to $317.5 mill and highest total contract…or he also can walk. One big thing for the Giants after this potential 3 year period is that we have a ton of payroll space. The cap hit this year would be $30 mill and that gets them to right about $202 mill and under the cap. If Bum gets $20 mill a year next year on the first year of an extension, that would still leave another $25 mill available to add another bat and potential mid-tier starter. Then even more financial flexibility for year 2021 before the strike:)

      • unca_chuck said, on February 27, 2019 at 3:54 pm

        This ain’t football. There is no cap. They can go over it or not as they see fit.

        What would likely happen is he would get, based on a 10 year, $340 mill contract, is something like a $24 mill signing bonus, and $10 mill salary for year one. The rest is $34 mill per and her gets paid as he goes. Until he opts out or gets traded. Each year counts for that year.

      • unca_chuck said, on February 27, 2019 at 3:56 pm

        If he gets a $50 mill bonus + a salary, both count against the lux tax that year. Your scenario, which ain;t gonna happen, would count $75 mill against the cap.

      • gianthead said, on February 27, 2019 at 6:13 pm

        Yeah I meant luxury tax threshold than salary cap. So lets say they go way over the cap this year because of the big signing bonus and pay the tax, but they get to reset the luxury tax next year and possibly then have Harper at just $25 mill. That would give them $50 mill then for 2020 for Bum and then definitely another premier hitter and a mid-tier starter for 2020.

        Harper, a right-handed power bat (maybe Goldschmidt maybe Ozuna), maybe a .300 hitting Buster with speed at the top of the order in Duggar and role players with Longoria, Panik, Crawford, I think that is a playoff competittive team by 2020 with maybe Joey Bart pushing as a starting catcher…

  33. unca_chuck said, on February 27, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    He would keep the signing bonus and there would be some sort of payout if he opts out. If he’s gone, then the buyout amount would apply to the lux tax limit. But that is usually a much smaller number ($5 mill? )than the contract they are obliged to pay if he stayed.

  34. djloo27 said, on February 27, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    I saw a chart the other day showing that Harper would have lost only one home run in triples alley last season and that one would’ve likely been a triple…

  35. djloo27 said, on February 27, 2019 at 4:11 pm

    Former Giant pitcher Joe Gibbon has passed away.
    We got him and Ossie Virgil for Matty Alou.
    Another fine deal from that era…

  36. Bozo said, on February 27, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    I know Joey Bart caught through High School but I’m thinking it would be a wise move on the Giants part to start working him out at 3B right now.

    • gianthead said, on February 27, 2019 at 6:15 pm

      Dont we need Bart as out future catching stud???

      • Bozo said, on February 27, 2019 at 6:22 pm

        I’m just thinking it might be a good idea to start protecting the kid now, before the broken bones, concussions and bad knees start adding up. The dude can flat out hit.

  37. zumiee said, on February 27, 2019 at 5:45 pm

    Bart hit a long HR today.

    • zumiee said, on February 27, 2019 at 5:45 pm

      Shaw went yard also.

  38. Flavor said, on February 27, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    one thing about signing Harper: so many people talking about his declining D and that would be a problem. But the DH is likely coming to the NL probably in 2021/2022. He easily spend the last few years of the deal racking and riding pine…..

    • djloo27 said, on February 27, 2019 at 6:09 pm

      Why should anything be declining at 26?

    • gianthead said, on February 27, 2019 at 6:21 pm

      I think his declining D is a little bit of a misnomer…what I saw last year was again someone in Harper who really cared more about his hair (and probably his swing) than his Defense. I think it is a lack of focus thing rather than diminishing skill. He is way too athletic not to have the ability to play better in the field. But of course be prepared that this will be a throw away year and if he loses interest it will be reflected in the field…

  39. Flavor said, on February 27, 2019 at 7:14 pm

    Can’t even be mad about that Warrior game, what a finish……

  40. zumiee said, on February 27, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    LA Times sportswriter Bill Plascke gets in the Dodgers’ grill:
    “OK, listen Dodgers, if you’re really making a pitch for Bryce Harper, you can lose him to 28 other teams, but you cannot lose him to the Giants. You cannot get outspent by your rivals who have won three World Series championships in nine years while you have won zero in 30 years.”

  41. mrsprtdude said, on February 27, 2019 at 11:50 pm

    I like it Zumee. Heres a question…Big contract for Harper or MadBum. I say Harper.
    Curious to watch bedee develop. Maybe he is just dumb and it took this long for him to drop the pitches that don’t work and hone in on the ones that do. Hmmm

    • djloo27 said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:06 am

      Or maybe his chick told him she ain’t stickin’ around for no Triple A salary…


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