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Nice To Be Bryce

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on February 28, 2019

With news that the Giants are now in with the “10 year/Three Hundo” crowd the question now becomes, what else does Harper want?

The Pros:

great city

historical team

packed house

The Cons:

We suck

His stats will take a hit

Personally I think the “stats taking a hit” con is going to doom us since we know how much his numbers mean to him. At least it’s giving us something to talk about during an otherwise record-boring off season…..

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  1. Bozo said, on February 28, 2019 at 6:26 am

    I think the stats mean about as much as being closer to home, come on, the deciding factor will be the bucks. Whoever offers the biggest $s gets the big man on campus.

    • Macdog said, on February 28, 2019 at 7:18 am

      Bingo.

      • Macdog said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:01 pm

        Looks like he’s getting $330M.

  2. sandog said, on February 28, 2019 at 7:12 am

    Some of us don’t think we suck that badly and that a player like Harper can make us into Wild Card contenders.
    Plus, I think it is only a matter of time before the fencing of the park gets redesigned. Harper coming here would accelerate that process.

    • Flavor said, on February 28, 2019 at 7:27 am

      I’d sign off on the walls coming in. But I don’t think Baer ever does this. Ownership fucking loves the design of the park. And really, it would be a bad look to move it in just cause it’ll help the stats of one guy. Obviously you move it in for other reasons. But the initial move would be because of Harper. Shit if I was him I wouldn’t want to wear that look.

    • gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 8:08 am

      Wasnt there a ananalyst of his homers from last year and they all would have been out at Oracle except for one amd that would have been a triple? They just have to sell him on the idea that he may set the all-time triples record for one year…who has that record? Ty Cobb?

  3. willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 7:41 am

    He’s well aware of the park, so if he continues to talk to SF neither of the cons posted can bother him that much.
    Btw thx for those giving ST updates. I trust them more than the everyday stuff that gets written this time of year; I just can’t watch or listen to games til the Bridge series vs. A’s right before reg season starts.
    Too much basketball going on, from HS playoffs to college before Tourney yada yada.

  4. willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 7:46 am

    Since I have zero sense of the physics involved, I noticed weather in AZ has been lot cooler with rain and snow not far away. K and K have talked before about “Arizona” HRs, so I’m wondering if the cooler weather (mid 70s and cloudy in phoenix) has helped either pitchers or hitters more.

  5. blade3colorado said, on February 28, 2019 at 7:49 am

    Again, just my take, but it isn’t happening. By the by, this is what Sabes said after Stanton left us at the altar before last season began . . .

    ”To entice a free agent to come to San Francisco, we’re almost in an overpay situation, so why get involved in all those battles where you’re not going to be able to go up the totem pole money-wise? … You’ve got the state of California taxes. (San Francisco) is a long way from where some of these guys live in the offseason. It’s not a hitters’ ballpark, so you can scratch that side of the fence. It takes the right pitcher to consider wanting to come there for a number of different reasons, some of them I just mentioned, even if it’s a pitchers’ ballpark in a pitchers’ division.”

    . . . but Smash Mouth thinks he’s on board along with Baer to overrule (and back stab) Zaidi. Now, that’s funny.

    However, the most important reason I doubt this is going down is because of our luxury tax threshold saga. Specifically, why was getting under the luxury tax so important last season and now, no one gives a shit? The payroll is at $180 million. The last I read, Bryce wants way more than $26 million, which would put us over the luxury tax threshold. We’re talking 20% on any amount over $206 million this year ($208 million next year, $210 in 2021). That’s a fact jack. Worse, a team that neither exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season (namely us) nor receives revenue sharing (again, us) will lose its second-highest selection in the following year’s Draft as well as $500,000 from its international bonus pool. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its third-highest remaining pick.

    I just don’t see this happening fellas. The only way it does happen is if Charles Johnson says “Fuck it. It’s only money. Make it be so Baer.” Doubtful in my opinion.

    • gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 8:33 am

      Blade, lets say they do my big $50 mill signing bonus and $25 mill salary and say we are roughly $45 mill over the cap. Besides the pick and bonus intl pool dollars, the tax would be just $9 mill correct?

      We know the team is sitting on a pile of cash and can easily afford the one year $250 mill salary and fine and then they will be back below the luxury cap line next season, with another $50 mill available to spend next year on Bum, right-handed bat and 3rd-4th starter…

      • blade3colorado said, on February 28, 2019 at 9:08 am

        I asked a question in my last post, “Specifically, why was getting under the luxury tax so important last season and now, no one gives a shit?”

        I might be wrong and this is why . . . The first year a team exceeds the tax, they pay an additional 20% on all overages. The next year it goes up to 30%, and the third year its a whopping 50%. The Giants paid the 50% tax on the 2017 season. THIS IS WHY THEY WERE SO INTENT ON GETTING BELOW THE TAX LAST YEAR.

        Consequently, If the Giants are willing to go over the cap this season, they will not take the horrendous hit of 50% they would have last season. Instead, it will only be 20% this season. Who knows? Maybe the Giants find that more palatable versus watching the Phillies sign him, or worse, the Bums signing him. Dunno . . .

  6. gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 8:06 am

    With Bud Black off the board…Joe Maddon as next manager? Someone please tell me the Harper goose chase will end today one way or the other…

    It would seem if we have crossed the $300 mill/10 year threshold, and Flodgers arent going to go there, it seems clear to me that he does not want to be in that bandbox in Philly and willing to make a 3-5 year run with us and giving him opt outs…

    • unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 9:01 am

      John Madden? Sure. Joe? No. Madden tried his damndest to lose game 7 in the WS against the indians. Pulling Kendricks was ludicrous with the lead he had. He overused Chapman to the point of nearly breaking him in those playoff games. Madden is very lucky the Cubs won that series.

  7. willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 8:11 am

    The penalty is only on how much you go over the lux tax. in other words, go $15 mil over it, the penalty is $3 mil. Seems OK to me–you get a very good player and pay chump change extra. Unfortunately, the top teams in baseball have been among top spenders. If Giants want him, then pay up. Zero qualms about salaries–I just want better performing players on roster. Larry Ellison just threw few hundred mil to Giants to call it Oracle.

    If they pass and think they have a better player and opportunity when Trout is available, good luck. That’s the one big boys will be all in on.

    • gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 8:39 am

      I just made the same argument in agreement with you. They are in a unique position with this sortbof falling in their lap that at the end of the day he probably prefers the Flodgers but they are unwilling to go 10. Many of us have sort of laid out the future in salary commitments and with a big signing bonus now, they can probably cap the annual contract to no higher than $30 mill in the outer years and a little less first 3 years and be comfortable to add other talent after this season with most of all existimg contracts up by 2022 season…if they dont strike….

      • willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 8:55 am

        Hey Jose St finally won a league game in Mtn West after losing 14 straight by beating New Mexico. One of their guys hit 8 3s at home and scored 26. Somewhere I hope fellow alum Darnell Hillman and his HOF ‘Fro feels good.

  8. unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 9:07 am

    Shit, there’s a name I haven’t heard in ages. Hillman came along right when I really started following basketball and the Dubs. He was drafted by the Warriors but went to the Kentucky Colonels (?) in the ABA.

    • willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 9:43 am

      played for Pacers when they joined NBA and eventually came back here. Great shot blocker, dunked like madman too. Went to HS in Sac, apparently still works for Pacers.

      • unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:11 am

        Ahhh, yeah I thought he came back to us at some point.

  9. gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 10:28 am

    There is a blurb on mlb trade rumors about the Baby Harper saga and the story references Giants ownership being “panicked” about seadon tickets sales and lack of fan interest.

    So ownership pushing the Harper deal and Farhan resisting….very interesting dynamics..

    • gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 10:37 am

      And what did mgmt expect after throwing out shit 2 years in a row…I still harbor resentment they did zero.zero to approach Nelson Cruz in 2015. He averaged 40 bloody homers over the next years. That may have had a huge impact in 2016 and would have likely prevented pissing dollars away on Denard Span which then led us pissing money away on Longoria…for the Sabes/Evans/Baer triumvirate I say: “SHAME….SHAME…SHAME!”

    • blade3colorado said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:38 am

      I think you are right GH. This is “strictly an ownership pursuit” due to panic that the park will be empty or more specifically, per Nightengale:

      “As for the Giants, Nightengale says the club is willing to go past $300MM on a ten-year term to land Harper. That’s unsurprising, as it emerged yesterday that the San Francisco organization was willing to go to that length, but is notable nevertheless. Nightengale cites “panic and desperation about season-ticket sales and fan interest” as driving what is “strictly an ownership pursuit.”

      I wonder what Zaidi does if they do sign him?

      “Adios. This isn’t what I signed up for”

      or

      “I got paid, it’s Johnson and Baer’s show.”

  10. unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:19 am

    Yeah, like we been saying, if this is the lineup they trot out there, the team will be near or at 100 losses.

    The stands will be empty by the end of April. It will strictly be a tourist destination.

  11. unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:32 am

    From MLB trade rumors:

    Agent Scott Boras is said to be “circling back with other teams” to see if they wish to get involved at the last moment. Presumably, that’ll include a phone call to the Nationals.

  12. unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:32 am

    This, along with the Mueller investigation, is taking way too damn long.

  13. snarkk said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:32 am

    I dunno how many of you guys listen to 95.7 FM for sports. But, no ethylene they are no longer the flagship for the As, their baseball sports talk is now almost all Giants. They get a lot better guest Giants chatter IMO than KNBR. but, the signal is feeble, depending on where you are…

  14. unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:43 am

    Yeah, i listen to the morning show and it is pretty solid. Then again I only have like a 10 minute window of listening.

  15. blade3colorado said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:46 am

    Shit, I am reading that the Phillies aren’t even in the ball park of $300 million. Per Jim Duquete (former GM), they are only offering $270 million.

    https://www.inquisitr.com/5319246/mlb-rumors-bryce-harper-now-a-long-shot-in-philadelphia-fans-prepared-to-boo-him-if-when-he-returns-to-town/

    https://www.inquisitr.com/5319156/phillies-bryce-harper-offer-270-300-million-mlb-rumors/

  16. Macdog said, on February 28, 2019 at 11:59 am

    Heyman tweets, Bryce to the Phillies. What a stunner.

    • blade3colorado said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:03 pm

      Yep. 330 million

  17. Macdog said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:03 pm

    Looks like he’s getting $330M.

    • blade3colorado said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:10 pm

      Mac, to me it makes sense. The Phillies needed a left handed hitter with a high OBP and OPS to anchor that lineup. Sheesh, his slugging percentage will be off the charts in that band box too. Dodgers? That made zero sense, other than it was close to his home town. Bums were stacked with left handed hitters, especially in the outfield (all 3 positions would have been left handed). Giants? Yeah, a piece to build around, but again a lefty didn’t make sense, nor all the old pieces around him. It would have still been 2-3 years before a turn around occurred. Giants were in it because of the park being filled with seagulls and not much else.

      • Macdog said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:48 pm

        Yep, the Phils always were the most logical place of all, as long as he can take the inevitable booing when he hits his first slump.

  18. blade3colorado said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    This is almost as bad as the Stanton experience. Perhaps, worse.

  19. unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:14 pm

    There you go. It’s over. He got his $330 mill.

  20. unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    At least he ain’t a Dodger.

    Hello 100 losses.

  21. xoot said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:17 pm

    13 years and no opt out? Did I hear that correctly? Uh, thanks, but no thanks.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:34 pm

      No shit. I’m very surprised by that.

  22. sandog said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:20 pm

    If true, at least we went down swinging. I’m very proud we took a good run at him.

  23. gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:33 pm

    At the end of the day and all the bullshit…he did what Flav reported from (FP?) and play for the place he thinks will be much easier to stack his offensive numbers. I never wanted him or his hair but poor San Dog’s heart is going to be broken….

  24. unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:35 pm

    This sounded at least like we did make a serios run. Stanton I didn’t think we stood a chance.

    So, when does the Trout fishing start? He’s gonna want $350 mill. He’s been much more consistent than Harper anyway.

  25. willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:37 pm

    So to review: Giants don’t get Harper but…Smardz had 2 clean innings and feels great, H P Lovegrove was great with some help from Bart, and the Giants hit 5 (Arizona) HRs. Wake me when ST is over pls.

  26. gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:40 pm

    Add in Trout there for similar numbers (I’m not buying there is no opt-out in the Harper deal) and essentially with 13 year deal, he is getting just over $25 mill a year. Trout and Harper for $50 mill and that is a lot of room to build up free agent arms and fill in from whatvlooks likena lit of good young talent and the Phillies may have built the new playbook forbhow to rebuild.

    Of course they play in a little league park and Trout will be coming home will be unique features of their rebuild.

  27. Bozo said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    So now let’s see that “flurry of trades” Farhan was talking about.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:51 pm

      Exactly what I was thinking.

    • willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 1:30 pm

      for front line players, exactly

  28. chipower9 said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    I am just glad the Harper fiasco is over. In addition to 13/330 and no opt-out, it is my understanding there is a full no-trade clause. Welcome to “The City of Brotherly Love,” Bryce.

  29. alleykat69 said, on February 28, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    Wow 13 years LMAO 😂 with NO OPT OUT!!
    Phils are going to regret this one toward the back in of Harper’s deal..
    But then again they will probably land Trout( bet that’s Harper’s thinking)also in 2 years at what 500 mil?? and that OF will be murders row in that bandbox!! Add the best catcher in baseball JT Realmuto, the Phils are rolling right now..

  30. blade3colorado said, on February 28, 2019 at 1:00 pm

    He’s going to rake at that little league park, as this excerpt from one of the articles I read points out:

    “Harper is going to a ballpark that fits him well. Harper has 14 career home runs at Citizens Bank Park, the most round-trippers at any road ballpark in his career entering this season. His .564 career slugging percentage at the park ranks first among 71 players with at least 200 plate appearances there. Rhys Hoskins, who will likely hit directly behind Harper in the batting order, ranks second on that list (.562).

    According to Baseball Prospectus, Citizens Bank Park is tied with Miller Park for most home run friendly National League stadium for left-handed batters in the last three seasons.”

  31. dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 28, 2019 at 1:11 pm

    Williamson with a bomb to center field.

    • unca_chuck said, on February 28, 2019 at 1:16 pm

      The Giants should move to Scottsdale.

      • chipower9 said, on February 28, 2019 at 1:31 pm

        😂

  32. snarkk said, on February 28, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    Good luck to the Phills.
    Giants were never serious possibility for this dude. Let the Giants PR machine of “we tried! “ begin…

    • sandog said, on February 28, 2019 at 2:13 pm

      You’re one helluva tough guy to please Snarrk. You don’t think we really tried for Stanton, you don’t think we really tried for Harper. (I totally disagree with you on both) You also bash the Giants for not spending enough money on the team, yet we continue to have one of the highest payrolls in baseball.

  33. chipower9 said, on February 28, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    You guys probably kicked this around earlier in the off-season.

    Harper’s numbers in our yard (37 games, 131 AB):

    .237, .338, .412, .750, 5 HR, 17 RBI

    In Philly’s bandbox (110 games, 387 AB):

    .271, .378, .519, .897, 24 HR, 66 RBI

    Yes, he can definitely pad his stats there much easier than in our “pitchers’ Park.”

    Again…just happy he isn’t going to be wearing Bumbino Blue….

  34. Bozo said, on February 28, 2019 at 2:06 pm

    This tweet from Pavlovic, sounds like the Giants made a pretty series run at Harper –

    Alex Pavlovic
    ‏I’m told Giants made a 12-year, $310 million offer to Bryce Harper. They were willing to go higher but would have had to go well over $330 million to get it done because of California taxes.

  35. snarkk said, on February 28, 2019 at 2:09 pm

    If Bart takes in the Cal league, bring him the hell up to AAA for a few weeks in July and then set him lose in SF like they did Buster. Let’s get on with it..

  36. Bozo said, on February 28, 2019 at 2:11 pm

    Adon bringing it, just hit 101 on the gun.

    • Bozo said, on February 28, 2019 at 2:15 pm

      Damn, that kid sure pops the mitt.

  37. Flavor said, on February 28, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    I’m kinda bummed we didn’t get him but totally fine that we didn’t. Seriously, I feel nearly the exact same about both outcomes

  38. Flavor said, on February 28, 2019 at 2:51 pm

    • alleykat69 said, on February 28, 2019 at 3:55 pm

      Well they could of brought in Strickland for extra leverage on Harper in the negotiations..

  39. xoot said, on February 28, 2019 at 3:52 pm

    12 years is a lot more than I expected Zaidi to offer. Maybe there were hitches in the time term. Still, it’s good to see them going head to head with the bums.

    • gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:06 pm

      Farhan does not seem to have been willing to offer that…this was an ownership push via Baer….

      • gianthead said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:09 pm

        I think the thought of landing Goldschmidt is now minimal. Ozuna may be a target. As Bozo referenced above, start making some moves that you said were out there…Belt and Crawford are just wasted here for the remainder of their contracts.

    • xoot said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:10 pm

      there’s no doubt Baer agreed. Other than that, guess on . . . .

    • djloo27 said, on February 28, 2019 at 6:26 pm

      I know I’m a broken record, but the time to go head to head with the Bums was when Turner and Kenley were out there…

  40. djloo27 said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:10 pm

    I wonder how the money is spread out over the length of the contract…

  41. dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    A little something for Baer and Zaidi

    • alleykat69 said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:29 pm

      Great Movie 🎥Dirt!!
      One of my alltime favorites!

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:32 pm

        Close or hit the bricks!

  42. alleykat69 said, on February 28, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Dodgers offered the short term deal at guess what 45 million per year 4/180!!
    More then even my guess the Giants should of offered 5/200 which would of been only a measly 40 mil per season..
    Bottom line Harper wanted the security in years along with the coin.And that will be what Trout will do in 2 years when the Phils add him too..

  43. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on February 28, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    We’ll probably never really know if there was any kind of rift between Z (not wanting to do that kind of offer) and Baer (wanting to). Hopefully not, and all will be forgiven if (when? now!) Z goes out and brings in the pieces he said he’s been waiting to make happen. It’s time to get excited about the 2019 Giants. Gonna need some pretty quick and solid additions for that. And maybe Z didn’t really mind doing ownership’s bidding since he probably knew Harper wasn’t going to SF anyway.

  44. snarkk said, on February 28, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    Harper was never coming to the Giants. Like Stanton, just used for leverage. Can I prove it? No. But, the stats say he was never coming to a pitchers yard, left handed power death, cold as hell in the summer, compared to better hitters park like Philly, or even LA. But, I doubt he wanted there either. A total Borass leverage move, the Giants played the game and got played. But, they can tell the fan base they tried. I predicted this months and months ago, like blade and BF. I’m happy he’s now the Phills problem. Time to move on, prune these contracts as best possible, and build a real team the next few years with good draft picks and select trades and FAs that make sense…

  45. Flavor said, on February 28, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    well, rooting against Harper has always come easy to me. I shall continue to root against this tool…..

  46. alleykat69 said, on February 28, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    Well in my dreams I would rather have Trout in 2 years, but of course it’s only my dream and not the Giants..

    • snarkk said, on February 28, 2019 at 9:04 pm

      Now, if the Gigantes want to go after Trout in 2 years, I am down with that, but I think the chance will be slim to none…

  47. willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 9:43 pm

    Don’t look now but with 9 minutes to go winless in league Cal is up by 7 on first place 13-1 UW as Justice Sueing of Mater Dei HS hits a 3. This is their best 30 minutes of basketball in long time, out shooting and even out rebounding #25 Huskies. W or not hope it can help save Coach Wyking Jones his job.

  48. willedav said, on February 28, 2019 at 10:20 pm

    Cal holds them off 76-73 as Huskies miss 3 3 pt tries in last minute. Now 1-15 in league, tremendous W vs. best team in Pac 12 (which does suck).

    • snarkk said, on February 28, 2019 at 10:43 pm

      Thanks for the report. I haven’t paid a darn bit of attention to Cal basketball this season, I’m sad to say. I hope they can get some talent into the program…

  49. snarkk said, on February 28, 2019 at 10:47 pm

    Machado got 10 years for $300MM, with an early opt out.
    Harper got 13 years for $330MM, with apparently no opt out.
    I think Machado got the better deal. Downside is he pays CA taxes on a lot of his loot, at 13%.
    Harper pays PA taxes at 3+%. That’s a big favorable for Harper…


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