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Baer-ly Matters

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 5, 2019

Here’s the thing about Baer: Be around, don’t be around, it won’t affect the team one single fuck. He’s just a face, an advertisement, something to trot out there for fans to see and for KNBR to interview. He makes zero decisions, outside of the decisions he votes on like all the other owners.

From that standpoint he’s completely expendable and not worth all the time we’re spending on him.

So later days, happy trails, enjoy the Autumn moon lighting your way. We have other more pressing issues to sort out…..

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  1. sandog said, on March 5, 2019 at 6:57 am

    I think Baer has a bigger role than you state here, but since the Harper chase is over and the off season PR stuff is pretty much done, this is a fine time for him to disappear for a while. If that turns into a permanent vacation, I have no issue with that.

  2. snarkk said, on March 5, 2019 at 7:22 am

    I predicted immediately after that incident went viral that he had to go incommunicado, on a sabattical, til the end of ST. That’s what they’ve done. SOP for this stuff Re: owners. He reps the owners interest in this org more than the fans. Somebody else can do that. Temporarily or permanently…

  3. gianthead said, on March 5, 2019 at 7:47 am

    Baer is nothing more than the owners rep, the face of the ownership group. The reports that he was in Vegas meeting with Harper speaks volumes that that was an ownership play and not Farhan’s idea…the ownership group does not want one owner to be the face of the group so that is why Magowan got pushed out along with Bow Tie and why we dont see Charles Johnson at any Giant related function. Baer is ownership’s bitch and he does what he is commanded to do…

    • Bozo said, on March 5, 2019 at 9:36 am

      Actually Bear is also part of the principal ownership group (I don’t know what his percentage is) and I assume the next Managing Partner will also come from that group too. Not sure where you’re getting your info but everything I’ve read has said it was Farhan’s idea to go after Harper but yes, ownership would have had to sign off on a $300 million deal.

  4. Flavor said, on March 5, 2019 at 8:42 am

    I think Baer is just going to stop doing interviews, I fully expect him to continue meeting with Z

  5. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 5, 2019 at 9:04 am

    If all that comes of this is an end to Baer’s local media presence it’s good enough for me.

  6. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 9:10 am

    So, the PR flak, the face of the ownership group, doesn’t do PR anymore? That’s all well and good, but he’s the CEO, ffs. He can’t just fade into the background. He’s either up front or gone.

    He’s been with the team going back to 1980. I think he’s a little more than a mouthpiece for the other owners.

    • Flavor said, on March 5, 2019 at 9:25 am

      He’s going to fade to background for a month or two, there aren’t any mandatory PR events for him to do now anyway. Then he’ll return. That’s my call. But he’ll be meeting with Z regularly.

    • unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 10:38 am

      This was more for GH. But yeah, this is a slow time anyway so I think he hides from the press till opening day.

      I’d be a little surprised if the other (SF) owners come down hard on him as the rest of them seem hell-bent on not being visible.

      The league? They’ll give him some kind of fine and the promise of community service.

  7. Bozo said, on March 5, 2019 at 9:38 am

    I know it’s just another Tuesday for all of us, but Happy Mardi Gras y’all.

  8. alleykat69 said, on March 5, 2019 at 10:35 am

    Never cared for Baer but I do think he’s deflected a lot of bad behind closed doors issues involving Charles Johnson,Magowan,Bow tie,and others, let’s see if anyone else in the organization comes to his side for a change.

    • unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 10:41 am

      I doubt it. Like I said above, the other owners seem very determined to stay in the shadows. Saying something would mean showing themselves. Fricking Charlie Johnson had his moment when he emerged from underneath the rocks and it was ugly.

      They may appreciate the job he does, but it is fairly thankless.

      • Flavor said, on March 5, 2019 at 11:04 am

        Baer is a “look at me” kind of guy. He gets more out of his public ownership role than the owners get out of him.

    • Bozo said, on March 5, 2019 at 11:13 am

      Hey, maybe one of the Burns daughters will come out of the shadows (together don’t they own a higher percentage than Johnson?), or maybe that long haired dude, I think he was part of the original group to buy it from Lurie.

  9. wilcojoe said, on March 5, 2019 at 11:25 am

    I totally disagree on Baer’s lack of importance. I think he holds more power than Magowan and Bow Tie ever did. Ownership has trusted him to ensure that their wallets stay as fat as possible and in doing so he has been afforded complete control of the day to day. In fact I guarantee you the owners told Baer to handle this fiasco however he liked.

    This is not an ownership group that votes on anything, because quite frankly, why should they.

  10. zumiee said, on March 5, 2019 at 11:57 am

    At the end of yesterday’s thread, Blade mentioned that the location of the incident looked like Mint Plaza in Hayes Valley. Yeah, that looks like the place:

    • zumiee said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:00 pm

      Well, I’m a yokel from the Central Valley, so I had never heard of Hayes Valley. I didn’t know it was an area in San Francisco.
      “Hayes Valley is a cool, revitalized neighborhood in the Western Addition. The main commercial stretch, Hayes Street, teems with upscale boutiques for designer fashions and home decor, plus dessert shops, chill watering holes and a wide array of on-trend restaurants. The close-knit neighborhood features a community garden, a pocket park with art installations, and access to music and theater near the Civic Center.”

      • Bozo said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:13 pm

        One of the music venues is the SF Jazz Center. Built after I left SF, but friends say it’s mighty impressive. .

  11. Bozo said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:00 pm

    In case anyone is interested, this is the principal ownership group of the Giants before Magowan died this year. I assume his wife, Debby, now owns his shares but I don’t know that for a fact.

    • zumiee said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:08 pm

      I wonder how many of them even like baseball.

      • Bozo said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:39 pm

        Don’t know Zum, I read where Magowan had been a fan of the Giants going back to NY. I do know he went to games at the Stick before he became an owner. I thought it was pretty cool that he kept his same seats after buying the team, although they were pretty sweet lower box seats.

    • willedav said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:21 pm

      Wow thanks, quite a list huh? Only got part way through but did find Decker. Wonder beneath all the titles what these guys actually do, especially “community relations.”

    • willedav said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:23 pm

      In the Felipe Alou bio, a great read btw, at the end is proud acknowledgement of Academy in the DR that bears his name.

  12. Flavor said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    What exactly does Baer do? Besides go on KNBR and bring guests down to the owners box? I’m sure there are some logistical things that happen throughout the day but with or without him I feel like the team is running the same way…..

    • Bozo said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:34 pm

      He does get a fair amount of cred for putting the investor group together to buy the Giants back in 93. But IMO, he always seemed like the guy to take credit for what others did, again, just my take.

    • wilcojoe said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:35 pm

      I would argue that he was instrumental (along with his underlings) in getting the new park built along with all of the other real estate developments that have taken place around the yard. Not to mention all of the other brilliant (though cheesey as hell like Star Wars days)marketing ideas that have helped to keep the seats full for the last 20 years.

      Don’t get me wrong, I think the guy is smarmy as hell, but I think he is a brilliant business mind. An ownership group led by actual voices and votes typically leads to stagnation. That has never been the case here. These owners are the definition of “silent owners”. As long as Baer makes them money, they don’t give a shit if the team signs Harper or blows up the roster.

      • Flavor said, on March 5, 2019 at 1:11 pm

        Sure but the park was built 20 years ago. And all that bullshit they’re developing outside the stadium doesn’t have anything to do with the team. I’m just saying that him stepping away won’t impact the teams performance at all

  13. wilcojoe said, on March 5, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    I think Baer probably got too invested personally with Sabean and Bochy and didn’t have the balls to cut ties sooner knowing that the game had passed them by. He is a smart enough guy to realize that analytics was the way to go and he waited a couple years too late to change directions. That was probably the biggest mistake of his tenure up until last Friday.

  14. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 5, 2019 at 2:16 pm

    Looks like Cameron Maybin isn’t just collecting hits in Scottsdale.


    • Macdog said, on March 5, 2019 at 2:34 pm

      Giants’ spring training just keeps getting better.

    • wilcojoe said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:06 pm

      Told the cop he had 5 pretty big glassss of wine. LoL

  15. alleykat69 said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    Yes the Giants hits( well lack of them)just keep on coming!

  16. zumiee said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:29 pm

    I don’t drink alcohol, but I’ve always kind of wondered about people who have a few beers at a ballgame and then drive home. Or have some drinks at a concert. Are all of them in danger of not passing the test if the police pull them over? How many cans of beer does it take someone to go over the limit? I just wonder how many people driving around out there after going to a family dinner or something wouldn’t pass the test if pulled over.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:37 pm

      I am approaching 33 years of sobriety, but I do recall it essentially taking 2 beers to put you over the limit (depending on alcohol %, time and your weight). Quite frankly, I am shocked he only blew a .14 BAC after 5 glasses of wine. Side note, I am really amazed at people who blow a .25 or higher, as this is extreme toxicity which normally will be fatal. However, these dudes (or dudettes) survive because of tolerance build up over a lifetime of drinking.

      • alleykat69 said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:45 pm

        Agree Blade..5 pretty big glasses of wine 🍷 and I’m assuming back back back back to backChris Bergman) theirs is no way Cameron’s blowing just .014 he’s gotta a real good “SKINK ON”

  17. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:34 pm

    3 beers/glasses of wine/cocktails within an hour is the usual number. 0.08 is not a huge amount of alcohol but you definitely feel it.

    At a given ballgame prolly 60% of the people driving out are legally drunk.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:39 pm

      You’re probably closer versus what I said (2 beers).

  18. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    Yeah, technically speaking I think it really falls between 2 and 3 beers/shots/wines.

    Speaking of .25, I blew a .24 on one of my stupider nights. I had ditched my car and decided to walk to the bar for one last drink. Found out there was a party somewhere and well, duh. 3 different people told me the next day they saw me doing the DUI dance on the side of 101. I was pretty fucked up, but not blackout material.

  19. alleykat69 said, on March 5, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    A lot of times besides your tolerance built up over years of pounding drinks, it’s your body weight.A person at 180-220 lbs easily can drink more then someone weighing 120-150 range in general without appearing more loaded..

    • blade3colorado said, on March 5, 2019 at 4:02 pm

      Yeah AK, a 100 lb. woman will be over the .08 limit at ONE drink. Consequently, she can’t even go out to a bar. lqtm.

      Hey Unca, I saw the light after blowing a .18 BAC and quit drinking/using. The irony is that when I got my 1st DUI and went to the alcohol/driving course, the first class they go around the room, where you introduce yourself and tell everyone how you got popped for DUI. Being a smart ass and having no intention of curtailing or stopping my drinking and drug use, I said:

      “Well, I must be an excellent driver because I was only caught one time after 100s of times of drinking and driving,”

      Fast forward a year later after DUI #2 and attending the same course, I was much more amendable to changing my ways and paying attention in class. Since then, every night before going to sleep, I say the Lords Prayer and Serenity Prayer, along with thanking my maker that I didn’t injure or kill anyone when I drank/used.

      • djloo27 said, on March 5, 2019 at 4:21 pm

        Excellent, Blade.
        And not easy…

      • blade3colorado said, on March 5, 2019 at 4:38 pm

        Thanks Loo . . . By the by, this is just me. In no way, do I judge other people. What I mean is that I couldn’t hang, so I had to quit drinking and using. For example, what you said below about taking the subway (or someone else doing the designated driver deal), those thoughts would never come to me. My point is that I’m not normal, so I had to quit.

        However, that being said, a buddy of mine (clean and sober for 35 years) and I have discussed what we would do if given a “death sentence” by a physician. Umm, let’s say only 3-6 months to live. Both of us use to love mushrooms and acid back in the day. So I would probably do that, along with my current vices (a lot of women and gambling), absent the driving if told I had a brain tumor or terminal cancer.

        Or maybe not. lqtm.

      • alleykat69 said, on March 5, 2019 at 4:48 pm

        I admire your slice of humble pie you have overcome Blade,it’s something I need to take a hard look at sometimes as others have mentioned to me..

      • djloo27 said, on March 5, 2019 at 8:01 pm

        Me, too.
        I think I’m what they call a binge drinker…

  20. djloo27 said, on March 5, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    I always take the subway when I plan to drink.
    Vomiting between moving train cars is a skill.
    Many have paid the ultimate price…

  21. Flavor said, on March 5, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    Santa Anita cancels racing indefinitely. This was the correct move, too many horse fatalities lately, there is something wrong with the track.

  22. zumiee said, on March 5, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    Thanks for all the info on the alcohol levels, folks. That was very interesting. So much alcohol is sold at ballgames and concerts. I was always wondering about all that.

  23. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on March 5, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    Maybin was drunk as skink at 2am and headed to his hotel to meet his… *agent* … uh huh….

  24. pawliekokonuts said, on March 5, 2019 at 7:23 pm

    Loo, yesterday you asked me about McCovey. I don’t have much to add in that I concur with the standard view: kind, gentle, fierce hitter, classy, etc. It was cool to meet him in the dugout in Pittsburgh in ’78. I asked a lame question: “Do you think Terry Whitfield could be a superstar [not a word I typically used]?” Stretch: “Sheeeet. They ain’t no superstars.” Incidentally, I never saw any quotes from Mays; they seemed conspicuous in their absence. Maybe it just didn’t get widely reported.

    • djloo27 said, on March 5, 2019 at 8:14 pm

      Thanks for responding, Pawlie. I wonder about their relationship.
      You know Aaron & Mathews truly loved each other…

  25. alleykat69 said, on March 5, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    To BF’s headline with a small change..
    Here’s the thing about Maybin.Be around,don’t be around,it won’t affect the team one single fuck.
    He’s just a face on a mug shot..🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷⚖️👨‍✈️

  26. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 7:45 pm

    Warriors off to their customary slow start. CVousins is getting killed on the pick and roll.

  27. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 7:49 pm

    I think they need to rethink starting Boogie. He’s just too slow at the start.

    • willedav said, on March 5, 2019 at 8:18 pm

      Wonder if he will be in there vs. playoff teams in last few minutes of close game or if Kerr goes with Iguodala instead.
      Bogut seems like a reach but we’ll see. Maybe he starts and like you said Cousins comes off bench after 4-5 minutes.

  28. alleykat69 said, on March 5, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    Maybe a slower Andrew Bogut gets some of his minutes.Sounds like the Warriors are going to sign him for the stretch run.

  29. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 8:15 pm

    At least he’s a little quicker on defense. The Warriors aren’t even bothering with defense against Boston.

  30. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    Kerr’s gonna get tossed tonight. As will Draymond.

  31. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    I’m not digging this Steph looking for contact on threes either.

  32. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    Good to see the Dubs getting the Celtics right.

  33. unca_chuck said, on March 5, 2019 at 9:29 pm

    Was hoping for an entertaining game where the Warriors would add to the friction in the Caltic locker room. Instead it looks like we healed them. We might lose by 40.

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