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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 10, 2019

Today, the Giants are going up against this phenom for the A’s, Jesus Luzardo. Some amazing left hander who throws the shit out of the ball. I realized what’s been bothering me about this Spring Training. We have no phenoms. Nothing even remotely hopeful is happening or might be happening. We’re *hoping* that Longo has a bounce back year? We’re excited that Beede is throwing hard? God, this is all so boring.

Where is our Jesus Luzardo?


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  1. blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2019 at 9:37 am

  2. Flavor said, on March 10, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Marty lurie slinging pounds of shit on knbr right now. Says the reason Giants aren’t hitting is because the pitchers are ahead of the hitters—skips over the fact that non-giants are raking. Said the reason Giants didn’t win last year is cause they didn’t hit with RISP. Ignores the fact that they haven’t hit for years and have no power.

    • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 1:50 pm

      Marty is a lot like TF was: a ceaseless promoter of the Giants.
      A person can be a huge fan of the team without having to be a ceaseless promoter. TF was often chastising a lot of us for not being “true” fans. I never really got that.

  3. unca_chuck said, on March 10, 2019 at 11:09 am

  4. unca_chuck said, on March 10, 2019 at 11:10 am

    We’ve been outscored this spring like 145-14 i think.

  5. alleykat69 said, on March 10, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    A’s just keep finding great prospects like Luzardo while the Giants are clueless in their scouting department.
    Watch that still young guy Jurikson Profar to have a big year for the A’s,another guy the Giants possibly could of got but would rather dumpster dive instead..

  6. zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 1:53 pm

    We have to be patient. Bart is the real deal. Ramos and Eliot also have great potential. But all three of those players will start the season in Single A.

    • Flavor said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:07 pm

      pretty sure the last 2 dudes you listed are the same dude

      • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:23 pm

        Ha! I meant Ramos and Anderson. 🙂

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:32 pm

      Yeah, everyone forgets about all the front office hires besides Zaidi. On the first day of Major League Baseball’s Winter Meetings, Zaidi and the Giants announced the additions of three new executives to the front office. Former Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi joined Zaidi as a senior advisor, while Zack Minasian and Michael Holmes were given separate scouting branches.

      Minasian, 34, was hired away from the Milwaukee Brewers to serve as the Giants’ director of pro scouting while Holmes, 43, was brought in from the Oakland A’s to hold the role of director of amateur scouting. Also, what about Matt Daniels? They created a new position – Coordinator of pitching analysis to address a hole in their Sabermetrics analysis.

      A lot of shit is happening, but many choose to ignore it.

  7. snarkk said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:21 pm

    I have really no clue why the Giants farm system sucks and has hardly any identifiable real MLB talent down there. And, why they can’t find some young hitters for high average and power. Other teams seem to have no problem doing that. Suffice to say Sabean and crew royally F’d up for the last half decade finding young talent, either in the draft or internationally, including pitchers. Bumgarner is the last real talent they found worth a darn. And, you have to try hard not to find even one good MLB caliber OFer in your minors for over 2 decades. I agree with BF that Marty is FOS on the hitting. I watched the Rockies tear the cover off the ball against the Giants last Sunday…

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:41 pm

      You’re right the Giants farm system sucks and they finally took substantive action to address these issues by hiring people who are familiar with sabermetrics analysis and have a background of doing it before in other organizations. However, it will take some time. Actually, it’s worse versus other organizations who have MLB talent and can potentially trade for prospects. That’s not the case with us, e.g., see Bumgarner, where they were disappointed in the offers they received this hot stove season and are hoping that he (along with others) have come back seasons.

  8. Stan Shell said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:25 pm

    Bf, you hit on exactly what has bothered me since last season- -the Giants have no one exciting- -period.
    Bunch of nice slap hitters with a bunch of average pitchers (since a healthy Bum and Cueto). I grew up listening to the SF Seals (Hence OSF) and went to the games at Seals Stadium. When the MLB package became available I signed up and have continued ever since. This year I am not signing up for the first time.
    When I first started with the Splash, I was considered the all time “downer” by Twinnie as I would rag on who was going to be our 3rd baseman. Now I wonder who is going to play the whole outfield. Who again is that?
    I has been a total mystery to me how the cheap A’s and my old Devil Rays keep coming up with interesting and often very valuable youngsters while we keep recycling guys like Longoria.
    When I think of new talent coming up all I picture is a wave of Ortmiers (sic).
    It would truly be interesting how TF (who I was convinced was a Giants’ shill) would spin the roster manure pile of this year. I convinced he would still be spinning. Maybe he still is.

    • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:37 pm

      Yeah, the current Giants MLB team would be a challenge for TF to put positive spin on. He would likely find a way, though.
      I’m all for positivity. I’m not feeling negative about the Giants in general. I like the pick of Zaidi as the new chief of baseball operations and acting GM. I think the San Jose Giants will be the most exciting Single A team we’ve had since Posey, Bumgarner, and Crawford were on that team, and that all worked out well for the big club eventually, obviously.

  9. Stan Shell said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    Maybe a good win total for our heroes this year will be 69. Not sure they will reach it.

  10. Macdog said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:40 pm

      That’s how terrible Smarj is. He’ll be in the rotation only because of that contract. Without that, he would be released and looking for work.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:51 pm

      Happy for Pence. Zum, in fairness to Smarg, he has actually pitched pretty good this Spring. As I alluded to above regarding Bum, I am hoping he can reset his value in the first half, where Zaidi will have a potential trade piece to obtain prospect(s).

      • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:54 pm

        We can hope. 🙂

  11. zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    “Minasian, 34, was hired away from the Milwaukee Brewers to serve as the Giants’ director of pro scouting”

    I heard him being interviewed on KNBR a week or so ago. I liked everything I was hearing from him. I also loved his energy, enthusiasm, and competitive spirit. Sabean and Evans did great work for the Giants, but at the end they sounded worn down, tired, and kind of disinterested.

    • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:49 pm

      The trade for Longoria seems particularly lazy in retrospect.

      • gianthead said, on March 10, 2019 at 3:32 pm

        The original signing of Denard Span was bloody lazy…

    • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:50 pm

      I don’t think Sabean and Evans really knew how they should proceed forward, so they were just treading water at the end.

  12. zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 2:53 pm

    If Ernie Banks were playing for the Giants, as the Giants play split-squad games today:
    “Let’s lose two today.”

  13. blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2019 at 3:03 pm

    It’s still early, but our putrid outfield hasn’t shown any indication that they will answer the bell come March 27th when the season starts with the Padres as our 1st opponent. Mac, Duggar, Slater, and Maybin are either below the Mendoza line or near it. Only Parra is half way decent.

    In the infield, Posey, Crawford, Hanson and Panda aren’t even hitting their weight. Essentially, only Longo, Belt, and Panik showing a pulse.

  14. mrsprtdude said, on March 10, 2019 at 3:55 pm

    My occasionally glass half full self says Giants finish .500. Occasionally fun to watch. Remember last year .500 going in to September. Our regulars had a lot of injuries. EVERY player on the team almost had a career worst year right??? Our Vets are not THAT old. The 2 brandons will be better and less hurt. Posey too. In pure wins total smarj and Bumgarner will exceed last years total.
    I have faith in the new leaders to NOT make a lame trade to get us to the WC when we are 6 games out of WC in July. They will trade away a few pieces, and in 2021 we will be fighting the Dodgers and Padres for 1st!!!

  15. djloo27 said, on March 10, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    In the 60’s a baseball player was considered in his prime from the age of 28-32.
    Now it seems more like 24-28…

    • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 4:28 pm

      Yeah, the new GMs believe the decline starts in the player’s late 20s. Steroids can delay the decline.

    • Macdog said, on March 10, 2019 at 6:23 pm

      Except for the Reds GM who traded Frank Robinson to the O’s.

  16. willedav said, on March 10, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    Monmouth Hawks vs. Canisius on ESPNU, semis of MAAC. The Hawks big guy Quinn is massive.

    ST stats are useless, as Loo pointed out. but if it makes you feel better to doom it up, knock yourself out.
    I’m not watching or listening until real games start and stats like W/L matter.

  17. willedav said, on March 10, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    Yadier Molina at age 32 in 2015 had an OPS of .660 with 4 HRs.
    Next season bounced back to OPS of .787, followed with back to back seasons 17 and 18 of .750 at age 34/35.
    HRs steadily rose over the 3 years to 8 18 and 20 respectively. Cards re-upped him to $20 mil for last year this year and next. And Cards fans seem more than happy with that.
    Posey had his worst season last year trying to play through hip injury at .740 OPS, I view that as blip and hope he can regain some of the power and be closer to .800 OPS hitter.

    Both are clear HOF C and one of them has MVP season and 3 rings. What I read yesterday in thread headline was appalling disrespect of him I don’t get.

  18. Bozo said, on March 10, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    Damn, Lovegrove sent to the minor league camp. I guess it could be worse, I was in New Jersey this weekend.

    • Macdog said, on March 10, 2019 at 8:03 pm

      Where in Jersey were you?

      • Bozo said, on March 10, 2019 at 8:42 pm

        I was in Rahway, Mac. We actually had a good time but it was a quick trip. 8 hour drive Friday then dinner and drinks with friends that night. Saturday was a party for some friends, then drove back today.

    • Macdog said, on March 10, 2019 at 9:08 pm

      Cool. I’m about an hour south of there. There’s a state prison in Rahway, that’s about all I know of it.

  19. Flavor said, on March 10, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    I’m just not going to get stuck living in the past. 2010/2012/2014 were amazing, I wouldn’t trade them for anything. If we want to win again we need new players. It’s as simple as that. Hard to do, but it’s as simple as that. Horse racing has always made it easy for me to let go of my favorite players, I think I’ve said that before. Can’t get too attached, it hurts too much when their careers end immediately. In 1996 my favorite horse at the time, Hornitos, broke down in the stretch at Bay Meadows right in front of me. I was devastated. That was the last time I let shit like that get to me. Out with the old, in with the new.
    We need new players and I understand it’s going to take time…..

    • djloo27 said, on March 10, 2019 at 6:34 pm

      Adam Jones to AZ…

  20. Flavor said, on March 10, 2019 at 6:29 pm

    nice to see Canseco in rare form…..

    • zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 7:12 pm

      This is an actual book.

  21. zumiee said, on March 10, 2019 at 7:15 pm

    Not a real book:

  22. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on March 10, 2019 at 7:53 pm

    Rewatched Money Ball last night. Was struck by something that has been discussed on the Flap quite a bit, about how field managers will just be actors whose strings are pulled by the GMs on who to play game by game. That hadn’t really registered in my mind, thinking, nah, that’s not gonna happen, GMs can *suggest* who to play but it’s still the managers filling out the card. Beane trading a player (Pena, whether it’s true or not) so the manager (Howe) can’t keep playing him when Beane wanted Hatteberg playing, etc. Guess if a team is going to go down this path, then the managers should be in agreement with the whole program. Might be a bit of a transition period for that to fully happen; Giants might just have one more season (this one) with the manager calling the shots. After that.. who knows.

  23. James said, on March 10, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    It’s not the GM per se who’ll be making the call on the line up, it’s some software code, a flu or last minute concussion symptom notwithstanding. The next question is how far the game goes towards optimizing on field moves in real time. The data and computing power are pretty much in place.

  24. unca_chuck said, on March 11, 2019 at 9:25 am

    Sad to see Cedrick Hardman passed away over the weekend. He was such a bad-ass. He was pretty funny in Stir Crazy as well.

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