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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 27, 2019

While I liked Alen Hanson for his surprise contributions last year and it was fun to see The Panda come back and be semi-productive, neither will be part of the new vision going forward. So, they go. Michael Reed and Conner Joe are the two best examples of what we should expect to see from Zaidi in the short term and, frankly, the long term, too. He’s always going to go after guys like that even after he start acquiring more legitimate major league talent.

Agree with James on the last thread, Smarge at 91 is not going to cut it. But they’ll run him out there till it becomes obvious. Tolbert was on KNBR yesterday discussing what needs to happen for the Giants to compete this year. He said we will have to lead the NL in ERA. It was a crude way of saying we can’t hit. But even weirder, I am just not seeing why everyone is saying this pitching staff is a strength. I mean, maybe for us it is OUR strength. But to consider them to realistically lead the NL in ERA is absurd.

Bum, D-Rod, Smarge, Suarez and Holland. Those 5? Even if our bullpen pitches to the strength they seem to be, can you see those 5 regularly cobbling together starts that contribute to leading the NL in ERA?

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  1. Flavor said, on March 27, 2019 at 6:57 am

    Driving in to work, on knbr right now they just put the call out for “a Giants free wednesday”. Lol, the day B4 opening day. They’re joking but still….

  2. willedav said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:23 am

    Sando is in. Pomeranz too. Suarez is in Sac tho I suspect we’ll see him in rotation soon. Giants have 17 games in 18 days to start season–first 7 at. SD and LA, then one day off and 10 straight at home.
    The other C did get cut, so 13 pitchers/4 man bench–Kratz Sando Solarte and one of new OFs.
    F/G rates Giants pen #7 overall, 4th best entire NL fwiw.

    • gianthead said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:26 am

      Didnt they announce Reed and Connor Joe will make the team. Aramis out? Not Krantz?

    • Flavor said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:38 am

      we’ll see about that I think it’s murkier than you think

  3. gianthead said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:24 am

    I think the question of the season and the future direction of the team is to see if we can trade Bum for 1 top tier prospect in the Clint Frazier mold and 1-2 mid-tier types and then possibly letting him know they will work to resign him as a free agent.

    Second big question is to see if Crawford and Belt are movable and maybe getting one possible IF starter out of those two. Posey full time 1b 2020 with Bart hopefully moved up to the big leagues this year in September and ready to take over next year.

    Then target Ozuna as the best possible free agent next year and then fill in and try and land an upgrade at 3b. I think we will always have the ability to attract the next Johnny Cueto because if the park via free agency and think surprisingly our pen is pretty solid and going into the future. Did Boch announce who is closing???

  4. blade3colorado said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:27 am

    Couldn’t agree more about the starting 5 Flav. They stink. By the by, Suarez may not even make the team and I am predicting our starting 5 will include Pomeranz (not Suarez).

  5. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:13 am

    I wouldn’t say stink, but they are a bit fishy. Bummie and D-Rod (maybe) are decent enough but the rest are 5’s. Smargle likely has an era of 12.00 buy the end of April before the mystery injury hits him.

    Huh. MLB.com is reporting Mac (under) the Knife doesn’t make the team. The little power we may have had just left.

  6. willedav said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:30 am

    Just read F/G take on Giants SPs, which ranks them 26th and only better than Marlins in NL. they don’t like decline/injury hist of Bum at all, and figure even with good first half Z trades him for one top 100 prospect.
    Smrdz they said might be OK if he can get back to 93-95 and then might be movable. DRod seems not to be liked by peripherals while Suarez didn’t have as much luck as he might have. Pomeranz as filler.
    Biggest difference btw teams at top half/bottom half overall seemed to be quality of back end 4/5 guys.

  7. dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:35 am

    Hey, how about that homegrown infield and Longoria’s wife is still looking pretty good so there’s that.

  8. Macdog said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:39 am

    Bummed about Hanson, too, he’s about the only one who can generate any excitement on offense.

    So this looks like the opening day roster:

    C: Posey, Kratz
    INF: Belt, Panik, Crawford, Longoria, Sandoval, Joe

    OF: Duggar, Parra, Solarte, Reed

    SP: MadBum, Holland, D-Rod, Samardhitmezija, Pomeranz

    RP: Smith, Watson, Dyson, Moronta, Vincent, Bergen, Gott and . . . Melancon.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:14 am

      Mac, I like Joe. He gets on base and he is right handed. Predicting by the end of April, he is getting significant playing time, probably in the outfield (since he is just an average infielder).

      I also like Reed, who is right handed, but he is strike out prone.

      • Macdog said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:34 am

        Yeah, I guess it should be Solarte for INF and Joe for OF, though story on Giants web site says he can also play 1B and C. Hey, Reed should fit right in with his K’s.

    • blade3colorado said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:41 am

      Mac, the dichotomy of him being strike out prone is that I have also read he is extremely patient at the plate, which has helped him put up high on-base percentages everywhere he goes. He is also “an above-average runner who is a threat to steal when he gets on. Power isn’t his game, but he reached double-digit home runs for the first time last year and is seeing his power grow. Reed is a solid center fielder who can handle all three outfield positions, and he plays an aggressive brand of baseball that endears him to fans and teammates.”

      Again, I think his speed and on-base ability bode well for him to get opportunities in the Giants outfield this year. Sheesh, in my mind we minimally have a way better defense versus what we had last season with Duggar also being above average and I am hoping Parra being good as well.

  9. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:44 am

    Smargle and Melonhead are good for 8 losses in April before they both get Ebola or some shit.

  10. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:50 am

    It’s like Twin always used to say. Can this team score 4 runs consistently? The pitching should be decent enough (minus Melon Shark) to keep the ERA around the 3.50 range.

    But we are counting on a LOT of singles strung together. Over and over. We are back to 2008. Big Titty led the team with 16 dingers.

  11. alleykat69 said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:12 am

    Still say it’s Bochy’s call on Panda to make the team.They have a secret special bromance that’s carried on for years.Is just about the rah rah enthusiasm he supplies?(Didnt work last year with Pence&Sando)Cause for me Hanson &even Garcia both showed a spark last year when nobody else did..

  12. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:46 am

    They’ll call Mac’s hand bruised and DL him I guess.

    And our youth movement is led by 39 year old Erik Kratz!

  13. Flavor said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:52 am

  14. zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 10:09 am

    Solarte will also be the back-up shortstop, apparently.

  15. zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 10:18 am

    We didn’t see much hitting from the pain-free Posey in ST. That needs to get better. And Longoria needs to step it up, too. Those two guys were automatic outs vs. the A’s this week.

  16. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 10:32 am

    Did we have an XBH in the entire A’s series? The last week of spring?

  17. James said, on March 27, 2019 at 10:45 am

    I’ve been mystified by the general touting of the pitching, but I tend to think it’s overrated pretty much every year, even those seasons it’s actually pretty good. They benefit as much from the park as the hitters suffer because of it. An obvious truth that really gets lost when your team’s offense sucks.

    • alleykat69 said, on March 27, 2019 at 10:57 am

      Yeah James, like they say good pitching can beat good hitting, but not in the Giants case.They can pitch decent to great but still lose out 1-0 2-1 games cause their offense sucks.
      And that good pitching at home, doesn’t have the same magic on the road, where they usually give up more runs and lose games like 8-5 ..

  18. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 12:08 pm

    Now this is funny. He must have kids.

  19. blade3colorado said, on March 27, 2019 at 12:21 pm

    I’m impressed with San Diego ownership and front office for essentially saying that they will not be a party to service time manipulation. In other words, merit matters. Specifically, in a 24-hour period, the Padres announced that their top hitting and pitching prospects, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Chris Paddack, will start the season in the majors. Both will skip AAA altogether.

    I hope the rest of MLB gets the message, especially the Commissioner (who should push for an immediate meeting with the Players Union, requesting a change to this ridiculous service time requirement be made). In lieu of the collusion charges made by many players, this proposal would be a good faith gesture on the part of MLB.

    Coupled with the signing of Machado, the Padres made another statement about them being all about winning with these 2 kids being promoted to the show. San Dog, are the fans getting excited by all these moves?

    • blade3colorado said, on March 27, 2019 at 12:30 pm

      Wow! I had zero idea that they actually filmed Paddack getting the word from manager Green that he had made the team, until I saw this . . . Dude must be feeling like a million bucks.

  20. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 12:49 pm

    And he will win 4-0.

    • zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 1:46 pm

      Yeah, a pitcher the Giants have never faced before? We know how that usually goes.

  21. alleykat69 said, on March 27, 2019 at 3:18 pm

    I guess this Michael Reed dude, got into 7 games with the Braves last year a put up this very consistent line hitting .286/.286/.286
    But in 53 games in the minors he hit .363 with 7 HR’s &25 RBI’s in a small sample size.
    Hell I’ll take that even if he K’s above the norm,as Mac said he will fit in with that!
    Also showed a good arm gunning out a A’s runner trying to advance to 3rd after he caught a ball in atleast middle depth RF..

    • unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 3:29 pm

      He was actually pretty close to the warning track. It was a nice throw.

      • alleykat69 said, on March 27, 2019 at 4:00 pm

        My bad I think your right Chuck, but yeah still impressive

  22. alleykat69 said, on March 27, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    My guess the Giants are just going to waive Williamson.He’s never been the same guy after the faceplant in the BP area .Had a shitty spring (no power too many groundballs for a guy that needs to get them airborne)and not very versatile,a death sentence under Zman’s regime..

  23. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    What’s the harm in DLing him?

    • alleykat69 said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:17 pm

      It’s not the Zman’s way, he keeps the chopping block well used.He brings players in and some stay but alot get cut quickly.Hope he does show liency and have the Oafer do DL,but I have my doubts he does..

    • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:53 pm

      He might trip on the way…

  24. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    Apropos of nothing but it was fun to see Curry set a screen for Boogie as he hit an 18′ jumper. At the timeout they both walked off digging it.

  25. unca_chuck said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:16 pm

    KD is 12 for 13 tonight. 28 pts 9 boards.

    • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:55 pm

      There is no chance he comes to the Knicks…

    • willedav said, on March 27, 2019 at 7:57 pm

      Ivan Rabb sighting. thought coming out of Cal he could do more and maybe be a Chris Bosh type with mid range shot, doesn’t seem aggressive enough and kinda lost out there.
      Bell suspended for conduct detrimental. wow this guy needs to go, just not smart enough to do right things on or off the court apparently.

      • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:05 pm

        Sounds like KC Chief material…

      • willedav said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:23 pm

        Jordan Bell might be better football player than b-ball.

  26. zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    The Trump administration is proposing funding cuts to the Special Olympics.
    The Trump administration is an inexhaustible collection of rotten human beings.

    • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:11 pm

      Sounds like KC Chief material…

      • zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:14 pm


      • snarkk said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:18 pm

        He can propose, Pelosi will dispose…

  27. snarkk said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    So, the Giants will start an OF soon with two guys who have been in the organization for 4 days or some such, and a combined total of MLB service time like two weeks or thereabouts? What does that say about how bad this OF situation was/is?…

    • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:20 pm

      Like I said the other day. The Giants are a Mickey Mouse fuckin’ organization!!!

      • zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:21 pm


  28. snarkk said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    Posey HRs this year?
    I’m going with 4…

    • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:23 pm

      Cockeyed optimist…

      • snarkk said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:30 pm

        I’m looking forward to the Joey Bart era.
        Posey can get traded to Atlanta and finish up near home. He’ll always be a good Giant, I don’t see the point of him being around as catcher much longer. with this transition time going on. From what I hear on radio they are going to treat him with kid gloves, even now (especially?) after the hip surgery. Bringing in a guy like Kratz or Kravitz or whoever he is, proves the lie that catchers need to know their pitchers. Rene Rivera spends 5 weeks with the staff getting to know them, then poof, gone…

  29. djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:27 pm

    I’ve given much of my life to this team and couldn’t give a fuck that the season is starting.
    They should be ashamed of themselves…

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:31 pm

      Yeah, I can’t remember any opening day for any team of mine that felt so… anti-climactic. But anti-climactic to what? That would require that there actually was some sort of climax. Hmmnnn….

  30. willedav said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    Like to ask East Coast what they thought of Jason Kidd as NBA coach when he was with Nets. He is rumored to be in line to take mens job at Cal, or possibly Lakers if Walton is relieved of duties.
    fun fact: I think one of last Warrior games I attended he was playing for them, Nets that is. His wife at time (Joumana?) and little one walked right past me and son of friend down to better seats closer to courtside. even then good seats were $50 ish…At the new place next season, for $50 I probably couldn’t even see the court

    • snarkk said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:30 pm

      $50 may not be enough for parking…

    • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:34 pm

      Kidd’s another wife beating scumbag. Caught Joumana flush on the jaw with a nice left hook at the breakfast table in front of their kid IIRC.

      I think he holds some kind of record for missing the most shots at the end his career.
      He went like 0 for his last 20 or something…

      • alleykat69 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:44 pm

        But he’s perfect on jaw hits..🥊

      • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:48 pm

        Jason Kidd highlight film:

      • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:51 pm

        “In his last month in a Knicks uniform, Kidd could barely put the ball in the basket. He did not score a point in the Knicks’ second-round playoff series against the Indiana Pacers, and he missed his last 18 shots of the postseason”

  31. zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    I’m into opening day tomorrow. It’s cool.
    The Dodgers are going to win the division for a 7th year in a row, so it’s going to take a few years to get the division title from them. I don’t see the Dodgers doing a Braves 14 years in a row thing.
    And hopefully the Dodgers fail to win the World Series for the 31st year in a row.

  32. zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:53 pm

    Doesn’t it seem a little silly in retrospect for us to have thought McCutcheon, Longoria, and Jackson were really going to move the needle last year? Three old declining players added to a roster that already had a bunch of old declining players.

    • djloo27 said, on March 27, 2019 at 8:59 pm

      They moved it in the wrong direction…

    • willedav said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:04 pm

      Hindsight being 20/20, sure.
      Jackson had hit well for Indians, esp RH. Cutch was coming off .800 OPS 28 HR season, Longo was Rays mainstay. None lived up to billing, tho Cutch did post .770 OPS and hit 15 bombs in his time here. unfortunately it wasn’t enough but…when he left in August they were still .500 team even though some of the other guys, under 30 (not what I’d call old and declining), got hurt and couldn’t finish season–Belt Panik Posey Duggar Williamson Slater plus Bum and Cueto top 2 rotation guys missed lot of time as well.

    • willedav said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:13 pm

      There is no way anyone could have prepared to replace the entire starting line up except for Crawford, who admits he played hurt too, unless you had completely torn team apart in off season. The young guys who could have played the OF–Mac Slater and Duggar, all got hurt. So did Sandoval who was backup to Belt, who also got hurt. So did Ryder Jones, who was back up to both.
      Turned out signing Hanson and Holland were actually pretty good moves, and Moronta and Rodgriguez were great finds too.

  33. zumiee said, on March 27, 2019 at 9:53 pm

    Krukow’s feeling very positive. Big shocker.
    Pasted from KNBR’s Facebook page:

    We’re mere hours away from the 2019 San Francisco Giants season commencing, and in the spirit of the season, Murph & Mac brought on Giants broadcaster Mike Krukow to give his final takes on the ballclub as a whole, and also predicted major improvement from a certain Giants superstar.

    For Buster Posey last season, something wasn’t quite right for the entirety of the year. While he still maintained a consistency of excellence, posting a .284 batting average while injured, Giants fans hope that Posey will return to the original form that helped guide the club to three titles in five years. Krukow thinks the six-time All-Star is set for a major comeback.

    “There are two things that you look at with Posey, one more subtle than the other,” Krukow said. “The most obvious is, is he using his lower body at the plate? Is he able to spin on the inside pitch? That’s something that he didn’t do. He hit .284 last year with just his hands, just throwing little singles into right field. He hit for an average, but if you’re pitching against a guy like that, you don’t really have any fear to miss a fastball middle-in because he’s not turning on it.

    “That’s the first thing I was looking for during spring training, and I saw that. He was spinning on the ball, and his batting practice was free and easy. And as the end of spring training came around, he started driving the ball to right field. Last year, he slapped. This year, he’s driving the ball.”

    Krukow also believes Posey’s defense will greatly improve this season as well.

    “When you have a sore hip, you become a one-legged catcher,” Krukow said. “You’ll sit back on one hip because you don’t want to distribute the weight on an injured hip. You can get by, and that’s what (Posey) did, but this year he’s got more symmetry in the way he’s setting up. He’s got more bounce in his legs. He’s coming out of the crouch and fielding his position on bunts, and he’s getting those plays much easier now than he did last year. I do think there is significant improvement in his body.”

    A lot has been made of Farhan Zaidi’s additions to the club this offseason, and an undeniable focus that he has placed on new players when evaluating talent is versatility. With new arrivals Connor Joe and Michael Reed making the team, Krukow’s enthusiasm for Posey seems to have spilled over to the rest of the roster.

    “They can do a lot of things,” Krukow said of the revamped bench unit, “and with a 13-man pitching staff that you’re seeing around baseball, the guys on the bench have to do a lot of things. They have to be versatile. The Giants coming into this season, with Connor Joe and Pablo Sandoval, have four guys that can catch. That’s versatility.

    Krukow also thinks that aside from versatility, these 2019 San Francisco Giants are hungrier than ever.

    “I like the athleticism of this team,” Krukow said. “I like the condition of this team. I like the veterans who are going to going to be the nucleus of the team… I do think this team is set to go, and I don’t think there’s any really big question marks about the nucleus of this club. They all want to prove everybody wrong, and they all want to make this last run for Bochy significant.”

    • snarkk said, on March 28, 2019 at 12:01 am

      I saw Posey live in two ST games.
      Granted, somewhat early in ST.
      That said, he wasn’t turning on much that I could see. Same ‘ol oppo-field type swing focus. And, just as slow if not slower on the bases. That’s why I’m guessing he’ll hit 4 HRs this season. I don’t see how he’ll hit double digit dingers…

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