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Underwhelming Start

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 4, 2019

We get a break today before we finally get our Opening Day! Is it still April? And who do we get for this exciting moment? Our arch rivals, Tampa Bay!!!!

And the Giants are wondering why they’re having trouble selling tickets for Friday’s game….

Seriously, I’m not sure this opener could get any more fucked up. Start on the road for 2 series and wait until the newness of the season wears off. Then trot out a lame AL team that nobody out west cares about.

Oh well, it keeps with the theme of this season I guess….

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  1. Bozo said, on April 4, 2019 at 6:29 am

    Take the under, these games with the Rays should be some low scoring ones.

    • Macdog said, on April 4, 2019 at 8:32 am

      Yeah, Rays with MLB-best 1.52 ERA, and held Rox (away from Coors) to 2 runs in three games.

  2. willedav said, on April 4, 2019 at 7:37 am

    pads and Rox come in next week after Rays. Giants pen had only allowed 3 runs in 18 innings of work before last night. Plan was good behind Holland and the lead–Dyson (who was awesome) Moronta Watson then Smith (who was great previous outing). Just didn’t work out. cbs site has twitter on side column during game tracker and even Dodger guys noticed crossup by Moronta with 97 heat that almost ruined Kratz, who was expecting off speed.

  3. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 8:19 am

    What happened with that slow roller Pillar hit? He slowed down half way and was thrown out, even though the catcher threw a rainbow that bounced. I thought he got hurt but he kept playing.

    He should have beaten that out.

    • sandog said, on April 4, 2019 at 9:33 am

      I’m curious about this too. Totally should have beaten it out and seemed to moving fine out in the outfield after it happened.

  4. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 8:28 am

    Baer should be canned just for the abject ruining of opening day.

    • alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 8:44 am

      I’m so sick of of Baer pulling this opening day on the road fiasco for 10 STRAIGHT YEARS NOW!!
      Was his dumbass thinking that they were going to win 10 straight championships cause they finish the season at home?
      And how come Mlb doesn’t step in and change that policy on scheduling??

  5. alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 8:39 am

    They were talking about that play in the postgame show.Said nobody talked to him about it at the time, but I’m sure they addressed in the clubhouse afterwards.(Guys been on the move the last 48 hrs, maybe jet lag, stressed from packing? moving the family)Giants sometimes drive me crazy in the past sending a guy back out there when he’s limping ( even if he wants to be a gamer) and their off today so pulling him early there you would think be only beneficial..

    • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 9:22 am

      Kuip said something when it happened and they showed the replay where he just stops running. And the throw was horrible. This is how you endear yourself to your teammates? You can’t be bothered to run out a grounder late in a close game? I was a little pissed but I thought he was done for the night.

  6. willedav said, on April 4, 2019 at 8:56 am

    15 teams have to open on road, then you get the benefit to end season at home. Not a big deal, imo. Giants usually spend most of first month playing NL West and end the same way. End can be exciting, playing Division rival if something is on line, like in 2010. Johnny Sanchez of all people whacks a triple into the Alley and Giants get in, rest being history.

  7. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 9:25 am

    Still it looks like the Giants won;t even sell out their home opener. Bad look. Esp when finishing at home means there won’t be anyone there anyway as the season will be long over.

  8. willedav said, on April 4, 2019 at 9:56 am

    Tampa brings recently called up Christian Arroyo back to where he started. Arroyo got up for 20 games last year wih .735 OPS and 1 bomb.
    Meanwhile, Duffy is back on DL with hamstring problem that according to B/R will keep out maybe 6 weeks.

    Yeah the Pillar play where he slowed up going to 1b on a ball he could have beaten out was weird. K and K were talking about it and then they showed him in the dugout and he was preparing to go back out there like nothing was wrong. No stretching of leg muscles or talking to med staff/trainers or anything. Huh?

  9. willedav said, on April 4, 2019 at 10:08 am

    No amount of marketing nonsense can hide fact that Giants have lost 187 games last 2 years. No one of more note than Pomeanz was brought in off season. Yes it’s Bochy’s last opener but lot of fans think that shouldn’t be happening either and should have been shown the door. Not to mention Friday is supposed to be worst weather of the weekend. Pretty hard to spin this season into something glorious, with or without Baer.

  10. Bozo said, on April 4, 2019 at 10:11 am

    One guy I’d like to see exiting out Farhan Luke’s revolving door, is Kratz. I know we didn’t give up much for the guy and he’s supposed to be a top notch pitch framer but he hasn’t looked top notch anything to me. So far he’s dropped a popup, let balls get through his legs and doesn’t seem to be getting many of the close pitches called with his framing abilities. Maybe he’s still learning about the staff but right now I think I’d rather see Vogt get the job.

    • alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 10:53 am

      With ya Bozo!
      Still don’t see why they just didn’t bring Hundley back.He’s still relatively cheap, can get some clutch hits, maybe not the best defender, but compared to Krispy Kratz still a upgrade.Kratz just looks like a automatic out at the plate, kinda like Joe from Kokomo…

      • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 11:32 am

        The youth movement! Uh, yeah, that’s the ticket. Kratz is 39 years young!

      • alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:15 pm

        Hey I don’t want Kratz.Hell Hundley is only 35 with better production for sure.I wished they just went with Garcia, what’s the big deal?
        A freaking guy like Kratz who has more experience, but can’t hit his way out of a paper bag? Are Garcia learning on the run, but can also rake the ball! Give me Garcia.

    • willedav said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:11 pm

      mm good call. Once he gets some time in Sac I bet Vogt takes over too. He at least can hit and seems like fan fave wherever he’s been.
      After the cross up last night Young came to the mound with all the IF and as Kruk noted Kratz did almost all the talking and looked animated. Moronta nodded but wound up blowing the inning vs. Freese, and the ballgame.
      So obviously, whatever Kratz said didn’t help.

  11. Stan Shell said, on April 4, 2019 at 11:03 am

    BF, you’re obviously not enthused about the Devil Rays showing up for our opener, however, maybe the Giants could use a little TB methodology. They are 5-2 and top of their division (toughest in MLB) and won approximately 90 games last year. They signed up early for reliever-openers- -maybe a coming thing. Nor bad for a small market team with the worse attendance in MLB.
    Giants are my team, as well, but the Devil rays are not going to be the joke of the year. This year that’s us.

    • Flavor said, on April 4, 2019 at 11:24 am

      I know everything about them. I play a few if thier players quite regularly in daily fantasy. I just think they’re a dumb opponent for opening day

  12. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 11:31 am

    Giants / Dodgers should be opening day, At least a fricking NL team FFS.

  13. alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 11:41 am

    Yeah I have to agree with you Stan, this Tampa Ray team is actually a pretty exciting organization with a deep and solid 40 man squad even.Their pitchers mostly all throw 95, led by Cy Young Winner Blake Snell who was lights out last year going 21-5, this team is on the rise imo..

    • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 11:59 am

      No one is down on the Rays (well, maybe their fans), it’s just that you couldn’t pick a team that the fans care about less than the Rays. They won’t sell out their opening day, which is pretty sad.

  14. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 11:41 am

    Mac (under) the knife cleared waivers. How long before he’s back?

    • sandog said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:16 pm

      Wow. If they reach a point where they think Connor Joe ain’t gonna get it done, Mac would probably get another shot.
      I hope they give Joe a lot more rope than Reed got. I’m still very interested to see if Reed clears waivers and for me, the Pillar trade becomes a bad deal if we lose Reed. I know he looked awful, but we are so hurting for outfield talent, I’d like to see him stick around and see what he can do given more time.

      • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:19 pm

        I’d rather have Mac back than Reed. If Reed can hit in Sacto for a month, sure. But having him up here trying to get his shit together hasn’t been working. Neither with Connor Joe from Kokomo.

        They need to earn their spot on the big league team. Handing it to them shows how weak we are as an organization.

  15. theroooster said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    Decent read on Zaidi trying to find the next Max Muncy and Chris Taylor for the Giants :

    • theroooster said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:17 pm

      “The Giants owe $92 million in guaranteed salary for the 2021 season, more than any team in baseball except the Boston Red Sox ($136.7 million) and the New York Yankees ($94.7 million).”

      • sandog said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:21 pm

        Good stuff–thanks.

    • alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:20 pm

      Rooster you can take Joe back anytime.He’s no Muncy are any ball player with talent that I can see!
      Giants should give him back to the dogpile immediately, and give someone else a shot..

      • theroooster said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:27 pm

        Ya never know, Joe might just be a slow starter. Give him some time 🙂

      • djloo27 said, on April 4, 2019 at 4:53 pm

        Don’t fall for the Rooster’s annual phony encouragement…

    • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:21 pm

      Maybe LA’s trainers have a better steroid program than we do.

      And the Dodgers still haven’t won anything.

  16. willedav said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:23 pm

    Remember seeing something in Chron about this and looked it up. fwiw, A’s real home opener a week ago vs. Angels, attendance was 22,691.
    If Giants are unable to put decent competitive product out on the field, attendance will be an issue all year. Unlike the Padres(who could still suck) SF didn’t add a top flight young power hitter like Machado nor do they have exciting top rated prospects in every day line up like Tatis, SPs or OF.

    What I read was complaints from Giants ticket holders they addressed include the starting time during midweek night games which has been moved up a half hour to 6:45 and easing posting of available seats from those who wish to sell them.

    • unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:41 pm

      Tickets sold will be fine for the most part. Butts in seats is a completely different story.

      I don’t know how many fan have dropped their season tickets these last 2 years, but I bet it isn’t an insignificant number.

  17. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    Faran is doing the equivalent of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. oe and Reed didn’t. Move on.

  18. snarkk said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    I am totally down with ZMan‘s approach. The SabEvans era was no longer tenable. When you’re facing a bare cupboard, you don’t go out and get nothing but steak and lobster. You build up the cupboard with all the staples and ingredients first…

    • alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 1:24 pm

      Right now we have an abundance of cockroaches in our cupboards, hopefully over time Zman can give us some fresh products to stalk the shelves with.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 4, 2019 at 1:50 pm

      Down with what you said snarkk . . . Same deal with what Zumiee has repeatedly posted regarding Zaidi’s approach.

      I really don’t get the complaints or angst about Zaidi. Sheesh, I hate to say this, but read the article Rooster cited and San Dog endorsed (or at least said, was “good stuff”). Like a zillion other articles about Zaidi’s “game plan,” this one succinctly tells you why we he’s doing what he’s doing and what constraints he’s under. For those who want the condensed version and wont read the article, here are the most important lines . . .

      “In the final week of February, in a hotel in Las Vegas, Farhan Zaidi lobbied free-agent outfielder Bryce Harper to spend the next decade with the San Francisco Giants. When Harper declined San Francisco’s $310-million offer for a more lucrative contract with the Philadelphia Phillies, Zaidi pivoted toward less luminous options for his outfield, attempting to traverse the hurdles in his path as he rebuilds a prideful franchise.”

      “Handcuffed by the albatross contracts he inherited, unimpressed by the organization’s depth, Zaidi has tinkered with his roster at a frenetic pace. The tweaking figures to continue during the season, as Zaidi aims to create openings for players undervalued elsewhere.”

      “Back in the Bay Area, fans wondered about why the Giants parted ways with homegrown hitter Mac Williamson and ignored free agents such as Carlos Gonzalez and Adam Jones.”

      “Zaidi did not completely overlook veterans this offseason, but he avoided multiyear commitments in deference to the organization’s bloated payroll. The Giants owe $92 million in guaranteed salary for the 2021 season, more than any team in baseball except the Boston Red Sox ($136.7 million) and the New York Yankees ($94.7 million). Given the difficulty in moving the contracts of players such as Brandon Crawford, Evan Longoria and Jeff Samardzija, the team must search other avenues for talent.”

  19. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    I get it, but like has been said, Jones, M Gone, even Cargo would at least have provided SOME pop for fairly cheap

  20. alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 3:07 pm

    The Oafer cleared waviers.,so he’s back in Sac.
    When’s the last Giant we have DFA’D that’s been claimed anyway by another team?They have so little promising players, all other big league teams just laugh at…

  21. Stan Shell said, on April 4, 2019 at 3:14 pm

    None of us can tell if Zman’s approach will work out. Certainly, he has been underwhelming so far. However, maybe that is just what we need. To have the 3rd highest payroll with this squad illustrates how poorly we have been led the past few years. The root cause is, I believe, is the grossly poor minor league farm system we have developed over the past few (5?) years. Who was the last hot-shot to come up- -Pablo?
    Z has to dumpster dive because that’s all he has to work with. But, let’s face it, there are diamonds in the rough out there. In our salad years we hit on a few (Cody Ross, Huff, Scutero). I think we are all like the Somalian boat people. We are out in the ocean in a rickety boat with a stranger at the wheel. if we are lucky we’ll survive.

    • snarkk said, on April 4, 2019 at 4:15 pm

      I disagree he’s been underwhelming. It’s taken years to load this battleship sized garbage scow with the garbage. It takes a while to turn it around…

  22. alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    So do any of you think when Sabes&Evans were dumpster diving, they just would open a lid see a few ratty but possible potential players inside, clean em up alittle, and then hand em over to Mike Murphy in the clubhouse to be fitted with a jersey and number??

  23. snarkk said, on April 4, 2019 at 4:12 pm

    Kat makes a point made here before, but worth repeating. When Gyros DFA somebody, they often end up in Sac, or out of ball. Nobody wants them. ZMan had it figured right for the Oaf, he’s got a hurt hand and it’s early. So likely nobody wants him, he’ll end up in Sac to get his S together, if that is possible. And that’s what happened. The thing I also like about the ZMan is he’s operated in both leagues. He knows the front office people in both. That broadens the possible moves universe. He can deal with anybody….

  24. djloo27 said, on April 4, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    I may be wrong but I don’t think there is a position player in the HOF with an LA Dodger cap on his plaque…

  25. alleykat69 said, on April 4, 2019 at 6:10 pm

    Yeah I think your right Loo. I was going to say Piazza but he went in as a Met I believe.Then I was thinking Maury Wills(couldn’t stand that guy) are maybe Tommy Davis( did like his game)are Steve Garvey (yuck)..Oh well no position Dodger, that’s fine with me…

  26. xoot said, on April 4, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    Pee Wee played one year in LA, but I think you’re right. Looks like the cap on the plaque, for good reason, bears a B.
    Interesting point.

  27. Flavor said, on April 4, 2019 at 6:47 pm

    Puig sucks. That is all…..

    • Flavor said, on April 4, 2019 at 7:21 pm

      as does Matt Harvey…..

      • Macdog said, on April 4, 2019 at 8:38 pm

        And Yu Darvish.

  28. Bozo said, on April 4, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    Wait, Ron Fairly isn’t in the HOF?

  29. willedav said, on April 4, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    mm, the only “albatross” contract impeding Z is that of Smardz. Until he is healthy enough to pitch regularly SF can’t do anything with him. I’m OK with Longo but otherwise rest of IF coming off injuries including Posey has a year to show Z they belong. Garcia and Bart (who needs to play 1b) take 2 spots and middle IF could be wide open. IF they need to send $$$ back to another team then do it and get a better younger or more athletic player.

    The I’m hindered by the contracts argument takes a big hit with me due to fact that each of last 2 off seasons Giants were all in on Stanton and Harper. For the $30 mil (per year x 10) Z offered Harper he could have had Brantley or Pollock plus Marwin Gonzalez. Instead he wound up with neither and only added bottom of barrel dumpster dives. What? $30 mil or nothing? The OF was first priority to be fixed and I don’t see it, yet. Adding a bat or two would have improved product on the field immeasurably, which is his first priority, not saving bean counters $$$.

    The Giants are NOT the Pirates royals Twins or some other small market team. The Dodgers took on a bad contract in Homer Bailey to get rid of few guys they didn’t want and instead of plugging him into rotation, DFA’d him immediately. the Red Sox are still paying Pablo and also DFA’d Hanley last year. Neither fit, they admitted their mistake and moved on. That should be Giants working model going forward, not tanking or wilderness years. The fans deserve better…Z has one more off season with me before I just drift away.

  30. unca_chuck said, on April 4, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    If Posey can’t find his power, and his BA stinks all year, yu think he might walk? I’m to the point where he just might be finished. I mean, I’m not expecting 25 HRs or anything, but I don’t think he’ll reach last years’s 5 thhe way he looks now.

  31. xoot said, on April 4, 2019 at 10:19 pm

    The a’s got screwed opening in Japan, but they just played a four-game home series against the red sox. The Giants, as usual, avoided playing the two opening series of the season at home to try to avoid the rain storms that sometimes blow into SF at the end of March, beginning of April. Now, the a’s are off to a covered park in Houston, tomorrow; and the Giants will enjoy opening day in the rain.

    The peculiarities of the Baer era are about to change. Bullpens are on the list.

  32. djloo27 said, on April 5, 2019 at 4:13 am

    Guarantee the eventually unemployed Oaf will sue the Giants over the bullpen incident…

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