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The Battle For The Bottom

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on April 11, 2019

Finally, we get a little relief. The last placed team is coming to town. Uh, show of hands, who thinks the Rockies are worse than we are? Anyone?

It’s safe to assume Colorado will finish ahead of us by the end of the year. How do I know this? Because they aren’t us, therefore they will finish ahead of us….

Our current best and most reliable hitter has a .185 BA and a .623 OPS.

Cool pic of Katie tonight

 

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  1. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:11 am

    Ouch. How did Colo fall behind us?

    Yeah we suck, but on facebook, there will be no accounting for reality. Facebook sure is funny. Somehow I got attached to a Krukow & Kuiper page (which has nothing to do with either of them) and the hilarity is too much. You are either all -in on this great team and can’t speak ill of anyone at any time or you are not a true fan (go root for the dodgers is the usual reply).

    This is what happens when things get slow at work.

  2. willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:22 am

    Giants at least beat Dodgers once, more than Rox could do. Rox are 0-5 at Coors Canaveral.
    Funny, after LA kicked their ass Dodgers went to STL and got swept by Cards who lit up Maeda yesterday.
    Even if Giants aren’t much fun to follow, baseball and box scores still good read.

    • Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:40 am

      that’s what draftkings is for. Nightly excitement even if your team sucks.

      • willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:04 am

        ha good one. Are you surprised Cards extended Matt Carpenter for 2 more yrs/$39 mil? They seem to do things like this, extending Wainwright, Molina through next year at $20 mil and owe Ozuna another year too, plus Fowler.
        And yet still are pretty successful. Love to cherry pick Gyorko for IF bat with RH pop.

      • wilcojoe said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:13 am

        I have been thinking of ways in which DK and MLB can partner together to make the game more enjoyable. Say for instance having contests only available to those in attendance where you can bet each inning. Or say the first 3 innings, innings 4-6, etc. You’re basically competing with your follow fans and you can even follow the results on the Jumbotron. Of course it will never happen, but how fun would that be?

      • wilcojoe said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:14 am

        The word “bet” is the reason it would never happen of course.

      • gianthead said, on April 11, 2019 at 10:16 am

        That future in-game betting in baseball is going to happen sooner or later….likely wont start in SF but will start somewhere else and all will follow..

  3. wilcojoe said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:18 am

    People are going to have their noses stuck to their phones regardless, especially as my kids generation gets older. Might as well have them following baseball stats instead of Fortnite and YouTube bullshit.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on April 11, 2019 at 10:30 am

      So true, we have strict limits on the internet, basically nothing for the youngest and controls on the oldest, yet they’re still immersed in fortnite and youtube knowledge. It’s part of the culture at this point I guess. Also, get off my lawn!

  4. wilcojoe said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:24 am

    During baseball season the Flap is usually the first site I go to in the morning. Now it’s the second, right after checking my DraftKings account.

  5. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:26 am

    If you didn’t see this, the Big Pavelski doesn’t even go down.

    • willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:55 am

      yeah, was watching when this happened. Hockey players are something different and unique. Sharks said they were actually looking for parts of his teeth in the ice shaved during intermission.
      Then next period he’s back in there with new face guard.

    • gianthead said, on April 11, 2019 at 10:18 am

      Could it be our year finally??? I know Flav is anxious…

  6. wilcojoe said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:28 am

    Back in the Giants glory days (2010-2014) it was fun to wake up in the morning (after a west coast night game) not knowing the final score of the game the evening prior, and going straight to the Flap comments where I had left off the night before. I would in essence be following the recap of the game solely by reading everyone’s comments. Way more enjoyable than just seeing the previous nights box score.

  7. willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:53 am

    @Bozo
    Hey I saw brief you tube vid on NOJO (jazz orchestra big band) led by Adonis Rose with fabulous short 6 min clip of highlights done live of latest release Music of Allen Toussaint. They start with Workin in a Coal Mine, then Java and original with vocalist titled (I think) Simple (or Semple maybe) Street. Cool big band…familiar with these guys? Like to know more before I pick up CD, just out.

    • Bozo said, on April 11, 2019 at 11:28 am

      I haven’t heard them yet, Willie. They are doing a tribute to Aretha the first weekend of Fest and I thought I might check them out a bit before heading over to see Irma.
      Speaking of Toussaint tributes, have you checked out Stanton Moore’s CD, “With You In Mind”? He is the drummer for Galactic and has a bunch of players on this, Shorty, Maceo Parker, Cyril Neville, Skerik, Mike Dillon, Nicholas Payton. He has Wendell Pierce speaking the lyrics for Southern Nights while Stanton plays brushes behind him before the band comes in. Some really good stuff on it.
      I had a chance to chat with Toussaint a few times over the years, he was very generous with his time and he’d talk to just about anybody (even a doofus like me). Allen, Snooks Eaglin and Eddie Bo were such a big part of my time in New Orleans over the years, I really miss those three guys a lot.

      • willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 12:47 pm

        Thx for the tip man much appreciated. I’ll look into that AT tribute one too. so cool you had that experience talking with Allen Toussaint.
        I listened to the original version of Fortune Teller by Bennie Spellman, which I didn’t know came out of NO; first version I remember was Stones, who used to cover a lot of stuff in those early days.
        Commenter on y/t mentioned the drummer doing great shuffle beat, Happy something. The history of music from that part of world is just amazing.

      • Bozo said, on April 11, 2019 at 1:17 pm

        Yeah a great town for music. The birthplace of Jazz, I’d also argue that Dave Bartholomew and Fats Domino created rock and roll there, tons of R&B, Blues and Americana players, I think even Bounce got it’s start there. Not to mention the influence of all the Cajun and Zydeco bands throughout Southern LA. Truly a gumbo of music runs through New Orleans veins. Going back down in a couple of weeks, I can’t wait.

  8. blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 11:15 am

    All the Saber geeks understand this. So do most Flappers. This illustrates how the game has passed Boch by (and other dinosaurs who insist on their pitchers seeing a line up 3 times in a game) . . .

    “Here’s how batters in starting lineups have done against Bumgarner in his career (1,657.1 IP in the regular season):

    1st PA: .220 / .274 / .346 (.620 OPS)
    2nd PA: .233 / .277 / .366 (.643 OPS)
    3rd PA: .256 / .303 / .408 (.711 OPS)

    Now let’s just look at last season’s splits (129.2 IP):

    1st PA: .193 / .237 / .330 (.556 OPS)
    2nd PA: .238 / .314 / .369 (.683 OPS)
    3rd PA: .294 / .368 / .500 (.868 OPS)”

  9. blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 11:49 am

    Per Forbes, Giants are now worth $3 billion (5th in MLB). However, they lead MLB by a country mile in how much they make on each fan ($183).

  10. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 12:41 pm

    Wow. That’s some serious gouging. Not surprising though. Either we buy a LOT of merch, or we are getting fleeced.

  11. willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    Thx Blade saw that Forbes estimate and I doubt they get full numbers. Giants right up there with Red Sox Dodgers Cubs behind Yanks.
    As for attendance, season tickets sold for 2019 were 26 thou so you’ll never see less than that number listed per game.
    But even that mean 2 mil plus guaranteed bought and paid for.

    bottom line Giants can afford to do whatever is best–pay off part of salary dump contract in a trade, release under performing player(s) or add in someone more productive.

  12. blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 1:14 pm

    As much as I am not surprised by the Giants numbers, I am more amazed by the Miami Marlins numbers. Sheesh, if I am a Giants fan or a fan of one of the other 31 teams, I would be going to each and every game at the Marlins air conditioned dome when my team visited. Not certain about the formula analysis they used to come up with these numbers, but that looks easily like it is dirt cheap to attend a game in Miami . . . or, the formula includes the entire Miami population, as well as the low attendance figures into account. Regardless, it sounds like a fairly good deal to attend a game in Miami. Plus, they got rid of that stupid statue in CF. lqtm . . .

  13. willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    The Sacto Kings are looking for a new coach again? Vlade just fired Joerger. Warriors announcers loved progress of Kings still a very young but exciting team to watch that won 39 games this year. Kings regularly gave Golden State all they could handle. Bagley missed ton of games too and he’s gonna be really good. Just a WTF move.
    As with every opening, Luke Walton’s name comes up.

    • blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 1:47 pm

      I don’t get it. This guy Joerger led them to their best season in 13 years and they’re firing him. I definitely do NOT follow basketball, but it seems like this guy is doing something right. Please explain Willie and/or Zumiee.

      With all the divisions being snore fests – exception being the Northwest Division – it would seem to be a good policy to give these coaches more power versus the superstar players, whom seem to rule the roost. Frankly, I don’t know of one coach who has the equivalent power of a Red Auerbach, Chuck Daly, Jerry Sloan, or a John Kundla. Again, just my take, but it all ended when Michael Jordan became the unofficial coach of the Bulls. To me, Phil Jackson was just a “yes man.”

      Maybe Gregg Popovich is the only one today, but that’s it.

      • unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 1:54 pm

        Jackson’s offensive schemes were pretty revolutionary. Sure, it helped to have the best player on the planet, but still 9 championships is still impressive. You can have the players and lose with them. Just ask Marc Jackson.

      • blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 2:07 pm

        Actually, 11 championships (2 he played on). Also, Phil didn’t invent the “triangle” offense . . . Sam Barry from the frickin’ 40s did. Tex Winter was his pupil and ta da! Winter worked for Jackson as an assistant coach. Regardless, if you don’t have the players, you will fail using this offense (see the Knicks).

        Unca, I will give Jackson this – he managed unbelievable egos on both the Bulls and the Lakers. In my opinion, probably the toughest part of being a coach in the modern era. His “Zen Master” motivational techniques were unorthodox and his tactical abilities (especially the adjustments he made during playoff series) were underrated.

      • djloo27 said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:53 pm

        Jackson was excellent off the bench for the championship Knicks in ’73, but I’m pretty sure he missed the entire 69-70 championship season with back surgery. Guess they still gave him a ring…

  14. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 1:45 pm

    Vlade is an idiot. The Kings won more games than they should have early, and the coach paid for it in the end.

    LAst I checked, Walton was still coaching the Lakers.

  15. Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 2:18 pm

    Who knows if Kerr is a good coach. Shit he may be. But he’s had nothing but stacked all stars. Walton went like 40-5 or send shit when he filled in for Kerr.

  16. zumiee said, on April 11, 2019 at 2:21 pm

    I don’t agree with firing Joerger, but I’m not shocked that it happened. A lot of great things happened for the Kings this season, but a lot of weird things happened, too. Last night, the Kings blew a 28 point lead and lost. I know that Joerger was just trying to play everyone in the last game and wasn’t as concerned about winning, but he probably should have been concerned about winning that game. It would have given the Kings 40 wins which would have been nice. Maybe he had already been told he wasn’t coming back.
    The Kings blew some really big leads in some games this season. The Nets game was a brutal loss for the Kings, after having about a 25 point lead in the 3rd quarter. I think Vlade felt that Joerger got the offense going, but something was missing defensively. They’ve previously had head coaches that were defensive tacticians more than offensive tacticians. Vlade’s looking for that perfect fit, which may be really hard to find.
    I actually think Vlade is getting better at GM-ing, but he has a ways to go. The Kings are drafting better, and Harrison Barnes was a nice pick-up. Vlade was pretty terrible at GM-ing when he first started.

  17. zumiee said, on April 11, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    I also think that the Kings’ TV play-by-play guy Grant Napear may have influenced the decision to fire Joerger a little. Napear has been pretty critical of Joerger the last few weeks, strongly questioning substitution patterns, Xs and Os, and other things. It made it a little awkward for analyst Doug Christie at times, who wasn’t comfortable being that critical of the coach. I think Napear meant well, but he was too harsh at times, IMO. Napear has been the TV play-by-play guy a long time, and I could see people being somewhat influenced by him.

  18. alleykat69 said, on April 11, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    Still a shocker to me Magic stepping down. Supposedly had a good relationship with Jeanie Buss and vice-versa, but she is still a big fan of Luke Walton, where he isn’t ,and maybe he just wasn’t going to get the call on axing him, so instead of hurt feelings he just bailed out..

  19. zumiee said, on April 11, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    Cards completed the 4 game sweep of the Dodgers. They just flat-out out-played the Dodgers in every phase of the game. It was nice to see the Dodgers come back to Earth a bit after the strong start.

    • zumiee said, on April 11, 2019 at 2:46 pm

      I wonder if the Dodgers were getting a little full of themselves, thinking that they just needed to throw their uniforms out on the field to get wins.

  20. Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    Man, those batting averages. And how could Buster have 0 rbi’s still? I mean, fucking ZERO?

    • blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 3:51 pm

      Buster reminds me of . . . umm . . . it’s on the tip of my tongue . . . ahh . . . hmm. Oh, I remember. Fredo.

  21. alleykat69 said, on April 11, 2019 at 4:14 pm

    These batting averages are mind boggling bad!!

  22. alleykat69 said, on April 11, 2019 at 4:24 pm

    “The Mad Scientist of Golf” Bryson DeChambeau amazing back 9 finish.3 inches from eagle on 16, holes a chip for birdie on 17, hits the flagstick on 18 which would have been eagle to 2inches to finish at 6 under 66!!

    • Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 4:28 pm

      How bout Spieth skipping that ball across the water on purpose to within 10 feet of the cup?

  23. zumiee said, on April 11, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    I can’t remember who the Flapper was that called the Giants lineup a couple of years ago “Murdered Row.” That was classic.

    • Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 5:01 pm

      That had to have been Loo

  24. alleykat69 said, on April 11, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    Btw Flavor, That’s one badass ride your cruising around in!

    • Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:00 pm

      i now prefer it to a car. It goes 25mph, natural ac rolling through, all good.

  25. Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:27 pm

  26. Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Scott Sanderson died. Only 62. I remember him as a pitcher, only have the vaguest memory of him as a Giant. Anyone else?
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sandesc01.shtml

  27. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    Pathetic,

  28. Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:39 pm

  29. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:43 pm

    Samarge is pitching well these days tho.

    • Flavor said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:47 pm

      he gets a lot of shit here. He’s still useful.

  30. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:45 pm

    This may be 0-0 till tomorrow’s game.

  31. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 7:53 pm

    pffffffffft. Gawd. The one time Crawfish moves a runner over, they still fail.

  32. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    If I was sitting next to that whistling fuck, I’d choke him out.

  33. blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    I could give two shits how good they are . . . That ump they’re keying on must be at least 300 lbs. How does he do his job?

  34. snarkk said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:22 pm

    I love the Giants, but criminy.
    This pathetic offense is just boring ass awful.
    The Yankees fart 4 runs scored just walking to the plate from the on-deck circle…

  35. willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    what was that stat thing flav would quote about a team’s offense? VPH something?
    6 strong from Smrdz, doing all you could ask, Bunch of Ks too.
    Amazed how often Giants hit ball into the ground. I think that’s 7 ground outs off Gray, plus the Ks.

  36. snarkk said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    Yep, good effort by Samardzxxx so far. Maybe he can avoid a hot shoulder long enough to do well and get traded for a pair of prospect OFers…

  37. blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:37 pm

    Even considering the Rockies current slump, I don’t think I have seen Smarg pitch this good in a couple of seasons.

  38. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Damn!

  39. Macdog said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    PillaHR!

  40. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    Samarge just might get the W.

  41. Bozo said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    Are you kidding me? Fucking Pillar does it again.

  42. blade3colorado said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    Definitely no cheapie shot.

  43. alleykat69 said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    He’s the only Pillar of strength right now!

  44. snarkk said, on April 11, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    OK, BF was right on this Pillar guy. Energy added !
    What does this guy confirm for us?
    That its not the LF or left center field fences that prevent Giants’ homers. It’s the Giants hitters’ inability to reach those fences….

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:11 pm

      Yep. Other teams’ players do it too.

  45. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:02 pm

    Buster had a piped fastball there. Fouled it off.

  46. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    This is just infuriating to watch. The ump blows a passed ball, Belt strikes out, and Crawfish rolls over yet another grounder to the right side.

  47. willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    wow runner in scoring position, a K and 2 more ground outs

  48. alleykat69 said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    And the Giants don’t score.Remember that futility inning for a chance to win tickets for a game you don’t want to go to anyway..

  49. Bozo said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    Got him. Good game.

  50. djloo27 said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:20 pm

  51. unca_chuck said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    Huzzah! Smargle with the win. Pillar keeps rolling.

  52. Macdog said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    W for Samardz!

  53. alleykat69 said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:21 pm

    How about them Giants Woo Hoo!!

    • zumiee said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:22 pm

  54. willedav said, on April 11, 2019 at 9:24 pm

    Giants ERA coming in was 3.21 3rd in NL. Drops lower after tonite.
    Rox owned them last year too, so that’s gotta feel good to get one back.

  55. sandog said, on April 11, 2019 at 10:00 pm

    Is that our first Cesar sighting this year? I love it!

    Looked to me like Smith hung that one and got away with it. Buster was imploring him to bounce it and he laid it right in there to freaking Arrenado of all people. We’re lucky he is in a funk these days himself.

    Don’t get Kings firing Jaeger after so much improvement. I was so bitter over passing on Doncic (still am) that I didn’t follow them as closely as usual this year. Grant Napear take is interesting though. I’m not a big fan of his and never thought he’d hang around this long, but I could see how he has now become a person of influence.

    I remember Sanderson as a Giant. RIP.

    • willedav said, on April 12, 2019 at 7:21 am

      KIngs are really young team(beside recently acquired Barnes) and some of them only played a year of college. By contrast, Warriors entire core 8 man rotation all have 6 yrs plus. Curry just turned 30. Lot of big scorers in West (Harden George Westbrook) are seasoned vets and just out experience Kings. Do think they could use a banger type traditional power forward inside guy with more physical presence than Cauley Stein or Bagley, .They drafted Swanigan from Purdue but didn’t get much out of him for whatever reason.
      Fail to see how players having to adjust to new coach is a benefit after 39 W season.

  56. mrsprtdude said, on April 11, 2019 at 11:18 pm

    Thanks for Clint Zumiee.
    Buster has 0 rbi’s because he can’t hit. Several hittable pitches and he fouled them weakly. I never hear solid contact when he hits. Even the fouls are weak. .222 slugging??? If he hits> 5 homers this year I’ll be shocked. Sad. As I was watching i told my wife..If his swing doesn’t improve he won’t hit a homer all year.

    • djloo27 said, on April 12, 2019 at 4:14 am

      The power is probably gone for good.
      Question is can he at least hit .280 and catch 100 or so games a year for the $65 million he still has coming to him?

  57. djloo27 said, on April 12, 2019 at 4:22 am

    Buster’s only trip to Cooperstown will be for Bochy’s induction. I find the comparison of his career to Munson’s almost uncanny. Prior to the fatal crash, Munson was deteriorating just like Buster…

  58. willedav said, on April 12, 2019 at 7:11 am

    Flav used to cite an index that measure likelihood of team’s offense and I think it involved travel too as a factor. I remember him citing the reliability just can’t recall the letters B something Index. Rox would appear to have been at historic low last night. Even Arenado had oh fer. Gotta admit having him up there for final out wasn’t cool and he got good wood on it.
    And the only Giant (Sando) with decent BA sucked last night. Robbed on first one by LF, dumb ground outs after that. That first pitch one back to Gray with runner on 3b and one out, wow.


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