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Did Dutch Say Too Much?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 12, 2019

“To be honest I have no idea what they’re doing. And I’m not talking about Boch and them, it’s the front office….I did a fake injury, so I’m not happy about that…”–Holland.

So, say goodbye to Derrick Holland. You can’t call out your boss like that and skate free. And that’s fine, he’s not part of any solution, he was, at best, not a bad dart throw from our past.

But this is good for Zaidi to hear. I like all the moves he makes because it’s the polar opposite of Sabean and Evans who literally did nothing once the season started. And as I said repeatedly before the season, last place was always GUARANTEED for this squad. Moves NEED to be made. But we’re still dealing with human beings here, and even worse baseball players, some of the worst creatures of habit roaming the earth.

So hopefully he’s learning as he goes. He can’t expect his players to celebrate the 32 catcher transactions he puts in each week…..

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  1. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 7:03 am

    maybe he did. bottom line though he’s been awful. ERA is 6.75, he’s walked 20 guys and given up 10 bombs in 34 innings. For a team in last place hard to think any rotation spot is automatic.

    Ideally, moving pitchers on/off IL keeps their innings and wear and tear down and if a guy isn’t going well gives him a chance to work on some things with staff. So hopefully he gets back on track and comes back a more productive player. sounds like good strategy to me and for most part it’s worked pretty well for LA.
    It’s not like Holland would bring back much if he had to be dealt off.

  2. Flavor said, on May 12, 2019 at 7:31 am

    I want Holland to get cut just so I don’t have to listen to K/K call him *Dutch* anymore.

  3. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2019 at 7:34 am

    Wow. Talk about missing the point of what is happening with the team right now,

    Like Pence, Law, and Blach before him, Holland seems to think being cute, funny, and active on social media guarantees them some kind of standing with the team and fans. Pence gets a partial pass because he actually WAS successful, but these other guys are a joke.

  4. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2019 at 7:59 am

    Has Pence kept up the stupid instagram/video shit with his wife?

  5. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 8:34 am

    Dump Dutch is what Zman should do and bring up Shaun Anderson to pitch that TBT start coming up!
    Holland’s been a pain in their ass ever since his derogatory words of Asians, cut ties, no loss..

    • djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 9:36 am

      Completely agree. He’s a jackass and he sucks…

  6. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 8:43 am

    I give Duggar credit for pulling the ball and smacking it by puig last night. Reds weren’t playing him that way and he burned the D. He does have 3 bombs. I know that ain’t much but compared to some other vet LHs on SF…
    Just like Mac he’s gonna have to learn to hit ML pitching and there’s gonna be a lot of fail. work your way through it, don’t let if affect your D and see if you can get the OB up and help the club.

  7. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Funny thing about Giants hitting coaches too. About a week or so ago, J Shea had column in chron about Bonds stepping into the cage in his workout outfit and just whacking the ball. Supposedly he talks to Schu and Powell. we all know he’s never gonna be around for 162 but what a tremendous resource. Can’t imagine any of young guys would turn down opportunity to listen/work with him.

    • alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 9:25 am

      Giant hitters should all embrace Bonds and his knowledge, cause theirs no reason to listen to are 2 headed idiots of Schu&Powell who are by far the worst hitting coaches in baseball ..

  8. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 8:52 am

    I like Duggar overall, he’s part of their solution/future,his base running although I like his aggressiveness, has me shaking my head.Hes been hosed to many times in critical situations that have killed rallies.

  9. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 9:35 am

    Bummer..Actress Peggy Lipton of “Mod Squad Fame” has passed away from cancer at the age of 72..
    RIP Peggy, you will be sorely missed!!

    • snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 12:51 pm

      I most definitely remember that show. The premise was ridiculous, but the show was pretty decent. Peggy Lipton was definitely EZ on the eyes as the pseudo flower child turned undercover cop…

  10. djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 10:19 am

    Baseball Reference making me nutty:
    Albert Pujols has exactly ONE triple since 2010 in over 5,000 PA…

  11. Bozo said, on May 12, 2019 at 10:43 am

    Alex Pavlovic @PavlovicNBCS 12h12 hours ago
    More Alex Pavlovic Retweeted Maria I. Guardado
    This has been boiling over for a while now. The phantom DL isn’t new, but there’s been a lot of grumbling from Giants about the “injuries” the past couple weeks. The clubhouse isn’t happy with all the roster moves.

    Sounds like Holland isn’t the only one, he is probably just the one guy who wants to be traded or DFAed and I’m fine with that. Although I gotta say, the merry-go-round of Zaidi fails isn’t making me warm up to that fucking guy either. Oh yeah, Kratz has been reactivated, woo hoo.

  12. Macdog said, on May 12, 2019 at 10:50 am

    Kratz gets the start:

    2B Panik
    RF Duggar
    3B Longo
    1B Pablo
    LF Mac
    SS Craw
    CF Pillar
    C Kratz
    SP MadBum

  13. djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 11:21 am

    “some of the worst creatures of habit roaming the earth”

    Awesome scouting report!

  14. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 12:02 pm

    The Giants suck. Pure and simple.
    They’ve sucked for going on 3 seasons. One of the worst squads and organizations in MLB. The skimpy crowds now confirm that obvious analysis.
    The ZMan was brought in to turn around this battleship USS Suckage. To do that heavy lifting will take time. First, he has to clear the on-deck wreckage that SabEvans left him. Which was/is a huge pile.
    So, we hear Holland likely speaks for a lot of the vets left. So be it. Holland’s cred as a contributor, let alone a Giants contributor, is near zero. Screw him and whichever vets he’s speaking for. Smardzxxx, listen up, bud. The new regime is in place for good reason.
    The old days of Sabes and Boch pouring out a couple flagons of Cab in Boch’s office after another loss, and doing squat about it in terms of roster moves, are over. And, thank Keereist for that…

    • alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 12:24 pm

      Great 👍 Post Snarkk!!
      The USS Suckage had me LMAO 😂

      • djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:14 pm

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 12, 2019 at 12:17 pm

    I’ve been having the same mobile login issue snarkk mentioned in the last thread

  16. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 12, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    Probably true that Holland is sort of speaking for the group but nobody gives a shit what he thinks. Especially Zaidi. Whatever. For all the losing, punchless offense and having to watch Panik (who sucks) suck, this kind of complaining from Holland is the thing that will lead to Bochy stepping aside mid season imo.

    • snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 12:57 pm

      Bochy came out this morning and apparently said something like those things should be kept in house, his door is always open. He’s definitely a fish outta water in this new turnstile roster environment. I’d still be surprised if he leaves mid-season, though. As for the S disturbing front office ways of this new management, the more the better IMO. The pot needs be stirred, and it’s definitely getting that…

  17. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    I went back and checked the Giants first round picks since and including Timmy, against those of the Doghairs. Arguably, the Giants have a better record of success. It’s in the lower rounds that the Dodgers over the last half decade or so keep coming up with real MLB players, and the Giants under SabEvans kept drafting guys named Lotsa Bupkus…

  18. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:15 pm

    Kratz with a Krap first inning of defense to help the Reds start the usual first frame coupla runs. I heard a stat this morning — the Giants have been outscored in first innings so far this year something like 47-2. Could have been 37-2, not sure. Either way, the 2 is for sure. How is that even possible?…

  19. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    And the shit storm continues!!
    The Mothers are filing out quickly to Pier 39 to see some real attractions..

  20. djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:21 pm

    Any other manager from LL on up would be gone by now…

    • snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:30 pm

      Lucky Luciano?…

  21. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:21 pm

    Mod Squad theme music is really top notch, had a riveting beat to it!!

  22. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:23 pm

    Boom Duggar pulls another one, right off top of the wall.

    • sandog said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:25 pm

      #RidiculousBallpark

  23. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:24 pm

    If I’m Bochy I would feel extremely guilty excepting farewell gifts from other organizations.

    • snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:25 pm

      If he doesn’t want any magnums of Screaming Eagle cab, I’ll take them off his hands…

  24. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:24 pm

    Duggar robbed of an HR in any other park. Another example why this park needs a facelift…

  25. sandog said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:28 pm

    I was calling for Pablo to retire a couple of years ago when he that walk off on the last day of the season.

    I got that one wrong.

    • willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:33 pm

      yeah me too. He’s been a big asset, as opposed to something else.

  26. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:28 pm

    PandaBlast ! …

  27. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:28 pm

    Panda put a nice charge in that one!!

    • snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:33 pm

      The Pink Panda !….

  28. Bozo said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:28 pm

    Nice opposite field by Pablo. Gets those 2 runs back and hey, we scored in the first inning.

  29. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:30 pm

    Pablo ties it up. Another guy beside Pillar for Mac and Duggar to learn from. Sando has played 1b 3b and pitched, isn’t a regular anywhere and comes off bench a lot. Regardless he helps keep clubhouse and dugout in good spirits and just does whatever he’s asked. Perfect role model for the younger guys of what it takes to be ML ballplayer.

  30. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    47-4 now in first innings. Progress !…

  31. zumiee said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:54 pm

    Bum is supposed to be increasing shareholder value in Bum, Inc.

  32. zumiee said, on May 12, 2019 at 1:59 pm

    Bum left Cleveland off his list. I could see that as a good fit for ‘19, but not beyond that. Bum wants to bat.

  33. zumiee said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:14 pm

    Good season of Brockmire this year. I like it when I can root for him.

  34. gianthead said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    I think we will have the easier time beating the Blazers…they will be exhausted after this game and Hood may have just gone down with a knee injury. They are already short-handed…go Blazers…

  35. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    Are the Sacramento River Cats on Bumgarner’s list?

    • zumiee said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    • Macdog said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:18 pm

      Hahaha.

  36. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:50 pm

    Hey have any of you guys seen a movie called:The Battered Bastards of Baseball?
    It’s a true story of a former 2 bit Hollywood Actor named Bing Russell (Bonanza other westerns) who loved baseball so much he became a owner of Minor league A team up in Portland( 1974 -76 )after the AAA team bailed( fans stopped coming)and he had tryouts where these crazy guys from all over figuring it’s their last hurrah helped make this team a winner and set attendance records to boot.
    One of the players was Bing’s son who happened to be a little more famous actor later on named Kurt Russell who was in his 20’s at the time.Bunch of long haired renegades-that just won, with a owner all others organizations hated.He also got Former Yankee bust Jim Bouton to pitch a season, which he said was some of his best times in baseball.Found in on Netflix if any wants to check it out..

    • zumiee said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:53 pm

      Sounds great; thanks!

  37. Macdog said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:50 pm

    Watching Nuggets-Blazers, it’s hard to imagine either team winning at best one game vs. the Warriors.

    • willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:19 pm

      Yah. Just don’t see defensive intensity and the forwards they start, Aminu and Harkless, don’t do much. Lillard has burned them for 50 before and as you said McCollum is really good too, but overall I don’t see them as tough as Houston was.

  38. djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    Miller already referring to the Oaf as “due”…

  39. djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 2:59 pm

    MLB should take all the money they spend on that pink garbage as well as the crap they make for every other in season holiday and just donate it to whatever they are supposedly trying to raise awareness for…

  40. Macdog said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:13 pm

    Y’all get the Blazers. Heckuva game by McCollum..

  41. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:13 pm

    road team clinches again. Blazers knock off Denver, get GS next.

  42. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    Those Belt moonshots sure are sweet. All tied up!

  43. djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    BB9!

  44. zumiee said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    Something happened!

  45. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:26 pm

    Ha our old buddy Parra strikes again, breaking up Ryu’s no hitter with 2 outs in 8th with ground rule double.

  46. djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:26 pm

    You guys ever see this?

  47. Macdog said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    Finding ways to lose.

  48. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    Good to see the pitching go south as soon as the hitting comes around. Including Bummie.

  49. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:48 pm

    Portland has Lillard and McCollum. And that’s about it. Nurkic? Kanter? Aminu is a good defender, but I think we win in 5. Al we have to do is shoot decently.

    • Macdog said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:52 pm

      Nurkic suffered compound fractures in his leg about two months ago.

  50. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    Pablo is killing it. Come on, Mac.

  51. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    Yeah Panda has proved me wrong, and I’m glad he has!

  52. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:55 pm

    looked like they had him

    • willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:56 pm

      nah he never caught the ball huh?

      • alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:58 pm

        Up the line and yeah the catcher dropped it..

  53. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    As Panda rumbles to the finish line 🏁 for the lead 6-5!!

  54. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    Like I’ve said before, Panda needs to play more…

  55. djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    • Bozo said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:07 pm

      Yup.

    • alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:10 pm

      Zman closing the door on Holland’s career..

  56. Macdog said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    Sweep avoided!

  57. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    Fun game. This is the kind of game needed to keep our interest up in an otherwise rough season…

    • sandog said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:09 pm

      Agree. Nice win.

  58. alleykat69 said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:09 pm

    Giants Win thhheee Gianttttsss Win
    Lots of Mother’s going home happy 😃

    • zumiee said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:43 pm

  59. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:14 pm

    Will Smith should command a nice return of a prospect or two in a trade. 10 for 10 in save opps…

    • djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:21 pm

      Just heard him interviewed on the PG. Sounds like a good dude…

  60. Flavor said, on May 12, 2019 at 4:55 pm

    Got Dubs fever. Heading up to Portland for Game 3 on Saturday.

  61. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    Ha Flav. Was up there late April 2017 for company mgmt. meeting, right after GS had thrashed Blazers.
    4 game sweep in first round 1 vs. 8. Game 4 in Portland they scored 46 in first Q and won by 25.
    That year they went 16-1 in playoffs, beating Jazz Spurs in West LB’s Cavs only team to win a game.

  62. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2019 at 5:53 pm

    The Warriors aren’t that good now, but I don’t see a problem with Portland.

  63. Flavor said, on May 12, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    my buddy who won on Country House is scoring the seats. He’s a good man.

  64. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    Ahh, yeah, forgot about Nurkic’s injury.

  65. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2019 at 6:35 pm

    Holy shit. Just turned on the Philly/Raptor game to see Kawhii Leonard hit a 3 from the corner, tie game, with 0.3 seconds left, that hit the rim 3-4 times before falling through the hoop. The crowd’s dead silence, and deafening roar was nuts!!

    • Flavor said, on May 12, 2019 at 6:43 pm

      that was unbelievably surreal, wasn’t it? Time stopped for a second. Reminded me of the Ishi bomb from the video in the Arcade that made the rounds. Collective silence and then…..explosion

  66. willedav said, on May 12, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    Bum gave up some hits but only 2 earned thanks to Kratz in 6 innings. 0 walks 7 Ks. Kratz doesn’t seem to be dialed in with other pitchers either. Like to see Garcia get more starts while Posey remains out.

  67. snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 10:16 pm

    That Raptor/ 76er game highlight reel was off the charts.
    Kawhi was on fire.
    Last second shot was crazy. Hard to beat NBA post-season ball…

    • djloo27 said, on May 12, 2019 at 10:21 pm

      For me, there’s nothing better than playoff hockey when my team is on a run..
      Was even better years ago when they would actually play 4 games in 5 nights.
      You really became familiar with the opposition and the hatred was real…

      • snarkk said, on May 12, 2019 at 10:42 pm

        When I was a kid I watched semi-pro hockey in Central California.
        The fights were good…

      • unca_chuck said, on May 13, 2019 at 8:36 am

        How ’bout them Golden Seals? Saw one game, and I had no idea what was going on.

  68. alleykat69 said, on May 13, 2019 at 8:15 am

    Yeah I use to watch semi pro hockey at the Cow Palace (SF Shamrocks)with some buddies of mine.It was great, the beer was 4 bucks for 24 oz, hotdog 2 bucks,and the fights were plentiful!! It really was like watching the movie Slapshot with the 3 Hanson Brothers!!🥅🏒

    • unca_chuck said, on May 13, 2019 at 9:12 am

      My most enduring memories of the Cow Palace are Roller Derby, Neil Young’s Live Rust, and the Van Halen / Black Sabbath show in ’78.

      Here’s a funny story from that tour.

      http://www.vhnd.com/2018/11/09/ozzy-missing-1978-black-sabbath-tour/

      • Bozo said, on May 13, 2019 at 9:34 am

        Saw some great shows at the Cow Palace but man, I wish I had seen some of the Roller Derby there.

      • unca_chuck said, on May 13, 2019 at 9:39 am

        A friend of mine had a older brother who dragged us to a couple roller derbies, and a couple wrestling matches there. Good times.

      • unca_chuck said, on May 13, 2019 at 9:43 am

        My mom also took my older sisters and brother to the Beatles there in 1965 (I think). I was 4 and didn’t go. She was a gamer all the way.

  69. unca_chuck said, on May 13, 2019 at 9:37 am

    Leonard’s game was insane. 41 points on 39 shots?

    16-39!!!

  70. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 13, 2019 at 10:13 am

    Kratz DFAed. Hope he wasn’t Holland’s personal backstop.

  71. snarkk said, on May 13, 2019 at 10:24 am

    Elephant in the room is Posey concussion. This is officially #2, I think. Unofficial unknown. The guy is now a shell of his former self at bat. What happened? The hip? The ankle? It’s not like the guy is 36. Any ideas? $20 million for singles hitter pretty much, though he still can throw people out, in a league where nobody steals much. What they going to do with this guy?…

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 13, 2019 at 10:32 am

      Yup, may not even be a concussion issue. Could be the hip acting up and he’s getting a breather. Who knows?

    • gianthead said, on May 13, 2019 at 11:05 am

      Time for playing only first base and see if he can slowly regain his hip strength…his hip is never going to be back to full health by catching…trust in Vogt and Garcia with the young stud on the horizon…

      • unca_chuck said, on May 13, 2019 at 11:41 am

        Nope. Belt deserves the job as he has much more power than Posey and is worlds better defensively.

        Belt in LF is a non-starter. We are living with Posey as the pitcher whisperer/banjo hitter for the duration it seems. Until Belt goes, Posey is the catcher.

      • alleykat69 said, on May 13, 2019 at 11:43 am

        GH…This has been a ongoing story on the Flap for a few years now, and it only comes down to what Posey wants to do,and he loves to catch and I’m fine with it,as he’s still a top 5 catcher a GG caliber and guns out runners.
        And I’m tired of them fucking with Belt who’s a GG (imo) by jerking him around to LF that weakens the team at 2 positions when they do that..

      • djloo27 said, on May 13, 2019 at 12:01 pm

        At the one quarter mark of the season, Posey is actually on pace for 44 doubles.
        Longo, Belt and Pillar for 24 HRS each…

  72. alleykat69 said, on May 13, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Good riddance on Kratz, most Flappers could hit better then that chump.Zman keeps the revolving door on full speed.
    Hoping his next move is to callup Shaun Anderson to pitch Wednesday, time to revamp this starting 5 staff.And you easily add him on the 25 by dumping whiney bitch “Dutch you aint no treat Holland”

  73. unca_chuck said, on May 13, 2019 at 11:42 am

    Bozo, this is the necessary churn to sift through the turds to find the chocolate chips.

    • Bozo said, on May 13, 2019 at 12:31 pm

      Not a whole lot of sifting was needed to see that Kratz wasn’t even a butterscotch chip. Sadly, he’ll probably wind up back on roster at some point.

      • unca_chuck said, on May 13, 2019 at 1:42 pm

        Yes, no chips in that turd. Just a comment of the overarching strategy of what Farhan os doing. And that is a lot of sifting through the farm and the major league team.

  74. zumiee said, on May 13, 2019 at 11:51 am

    Posey’s hip condition is probably a legacy of the broken leg, because of the way his leg was twisted so gruesomely in that injury. The surgery this past year surely helped, but…..how much did it help? Probably not as much as hoped.

  75. zumiee said, on May 13, 2019 at 11:55 am

    Where this may be heading for Posey is a real sharing of time at catcher with somebody else, at maybe a 50/50 sharing time. Posey ain’t going to like it, but at some point the organization is probably going to have to have that conversation with him, unless he makes dramatic improvement in his hitting.


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