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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 28, 2019

Brandon Crawford returns to the site of his greatest solo achievement, The Seven Hit Game. Man, how long ago does that feel? A shell of his former self, he’s been battling pink eye for the last few days. Did they have pink eye in the 70’s? I feel like that’s a newer thing, yes?

Guys like Crawford and Belt, man, they are snake bit aren’t they?

Or is it something else?

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  1. willedav said, on May 28, 2019 at 7:11 am

    Ostler has front of sporting green column on benefits of Bochy walking away at AS game. Among them it allows him to go out with modicum of dignity while allowing Z to go full out with rebuild and incorporating his hands on style of running things without having to worry Bochy likes it or not. hmmnn I could see it just dunno who would convince Bochy it’s right thing to do other than Baer.


    • Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 7:24 am

      i think you’re overestimated Bochy. The man has done enough for the franchise. Walking away at the AS break would be good for everyone—especially him. These blow out losses have to be wearing on him. This guy is going to have a statue of him outside of Oracle one day.

      • willedav said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:08 am

        I like the idea though I doubt it helps team much or gets them better “prepared” as was talked about yesterday. Convincing him to abandon ship mid year though likely to be tough sell with him, so I’m not sure how they talk him into it. An ultimatum or being kicked upstairs to ceremonial job seems disrespectful to me.
        The column by Ostler makes degree of sense, all too rare from him.

    • djloo27 said, on May 28, 2019 at 9:36 am

      The one thing Ostler didn’t do is put any blame whatsoever on Bochy.
      That is absurd. Will Clark’s commentary in GH’s 7:57 post below tells me Bochy is at least part of the problem…

  2. gianthead said, on May 28, 2019 at 7:57 am

    I was intrigued when hearing about Aubrey Huff’s new podcast, which had a catchy title: Off the Cuff with Aubrey Huff. But I was hoping maybe for a little more political spin from him, there has been no political talk in the first 4 episodes they have done and more of dudes talking about baseball and cultural issues. The newest being with Will Clark.

    I was listening to it on the way to work and though the audio quality is poor from the Thrill’s phone his take in baseball players not really caring today is on point and bold and he especially goes after the Giants without naming names. He days they are comfortable sitting in the dugout doing crossword puzzles instead of worrying about their .205 or .210 averages. Wonder if he speaking about people like Posey, Longoria and Crawford. Will bemoans that players are going out and doing extra work, extra hitting and worrying about their swing and are instead comfortable with mediocrity.

    • gianthead said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:00 am

      In his first episode he briefly speaks about his retirement and personal meltdown (there are aderol and likely other drugs playing a big part in this) and actually sticking a gun in his mouth in his closet and ready to pull the trigger but doesn’t with his kids and ex-wife in the house. That is heavy shit but he says he will speak of it in a further podcast later on.

    • Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:30 am

      Huff is the dumbest retired motherfucker we got

      • gianthead said, on May 28, 2019 at 11:21 am

        Podcase is somewhat entertaining but some nuggets of inside baseball stuff. They are going to have Pat The Burrell and will hopefully laugh about his nickname. I dont typically ever hear Will Clark interviewed and him uncovering some hard truths is very interesting. Plus out of that 2010 team, only Brian Wilson and maybe Lincecum would be more interesting to listen to than Huff.

        Huff’s father was murdered when Huff was just just 6 years old and he has not given details of that yet.

  3. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:37 am

    That 7 hit game in 2016 seems like a loooong time ago. There’s a Crawford/pink eye/vag joke waiting to be made but word on the street is we need to keep it clean up in here.

    • Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:39 am

      exactly. My dad is monitoring the blog 24/7, gotta chill for a while.

  4. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:57 am

    I was sort of on the fence about subscribing to the Athletic but took the plunge based on some of the feedback here. Nice article from Baggerly about Cueto taking care of young Dominicans in the Giants system. Here’s a snippet regarding his status among the talent the island has produced. If he comes back healthy I guess we just look forward to flipping him.

    “If Pedro Martínez and Juan Marichal are canonized figures in the Caribbean nation, then Cueto is at least beatified. He is 125-85 in the big leagues. He ranks eighth in wins and 10th in strikeouts all-time among Dominican pitchers. His .595 winning percentage (minimum 100 decisions) is fourth best all-time, behind only Marichal and the Martínez brothers, Pedro and Ramón.

    Cueto is one of just 29 pitchers from the Dominican to throw 1,000 innings in the big leagues. And among that company, his 3.33 ERA ranks as the fifth lowest (trailing only Marichal, Pedro, Alejandro Peña and Jose Rijo).”

    • Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 10:21 am

      i canceled it a few months ago. Kinda regretting it

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 28, 2019 at 10:32 am

        Its currently over saturated with Warriors coverage but that’s understandable given the moment. The main reason I went for it is that I enjoy Baggarly’s writing and especially his post game coverage of the Giants. Just don’t get the equivalent from any other beat writer in the bay imo.

      • xoot said, on May 28, 2019 at 11:56 am

        I agree on Baggs. He’s always very good, sometimes brilliant. I don’t much care for Brisbee. Melissa Lockhard deserves more space but she’s getting pushed aside by GB’s bad jokes and over-written tripe.

  5. snarkk said, on May 28, 2019 at 9:02 am

    I don’t give one S about anything Huff does or says. Guy is a jackass…

    • gianthead said, on May 28, 2019 at 11:26 am

      You will be surprised. Nothing political and interesting interview with The Thrill…he and his buddy co-host drink scotch as they record…it would be like two Flappers talking shit and recording it…

  6. alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2019 at 11:01 am

    Pink eye is highly contagious 😷 can spread thru handshakes, hugs, doorknobs etc.Just wondering how the Giants crack medical staff handle that situation? with Crawdaddy?and since he’s playing I guess not much, as a player I would keep my distance from him,even though they are hitting like they have it anyway..

    • gianthead said, on May 28, 2019 at 11:24 am

      They are playing like they have pink bats along with the pink eye.

      • alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2019 at 11:31 am

        So true..lol 👁👀a real eye opener on how bad their playing..

  7. Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 11:56 am

    Smarge has only given up 6 Earned runs in his last 3 starts. Does that do anything 4 ya?

    • willedav said, on May 28, 2019 at 12:16 pm

      No. The last one all the runs were unearned, including the 3 run bomb by Swanson and then another one on very next pitch, because of the earlier screw up by Crawford and Longo. That’s part of why I don’t get the Bochy blame for team being unprepared—more often than not there are at least 5 vets in there and they are Bochy’s longtime guys except for Pillar. It doesn’t excuse smrdz from getting lit up.

      Posey made one of the dumbest plays I’ve ever seen in the Anderson game, ill advised off balance throw after he fumbled ball that got away from him. Throw went wild and it cost Anderson a run. Then later Longo made a bad throw after Duggar unwisely tried to gun out speedy Dyson at 3b and those guys wound up scoring too. Anderson left too many pitches over the plate but his D made things worse.
      These guys know how to get ready once game starts. I’m sure this has been discussed at length by brain trust and transmitted to players and to the SPs. The LU has been shuffled around with usual deck chairs. It’s more on the SPs…maybe it is time for an opener.

      • Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 12:19 pm

        well if guys like Posey and Belt are checked out during the game what does that tell you?

  8. unca_chuck said, on May 28, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    They have had numerous base running errors, misplays in the infield (aka the muffed DP that led to the debacle inning), the muffed DP the inning before that, and just dumb plays overall that make them look uninterested and unprepared. Sunday had the little-league fest as they threw the ball all over the infield. The only thing that saved them there is the 3rd errant throw to try and get the runner hit the bag and bounced up instead of going into the dugout.

    All this talk of them losing the team is horseshit if no one will be on the record. But it is obvious. I’ve been saying for months Bochy knows he’s been dealt a shit hand. Now he was a turnstile in the clubhouse door to deal with.

    If he’s checked out, sure the players sense it. They get it as well. The stands are empty, the radio noise is bad news, as is the interwebs, and there is little to be excited about coming up from Sacto.

    He very well may bail by the break. 37 games. Say they go 12-25. That would put them at 33-56. Gone fishin’.

  9. snarkk said, on May 28, 2019 at 2:10 pm

    If the cratering continues, IMO you need the team head or the owner to make a statement about where the organization is headed. We’ll never hear from Charles Johnson or any other major owner. Baer is damaged goods. I think they need to appoint a New team prez who comes out and supports ZMan and comes. clean to the fans that this will take a while to fix. There is a lack of visible leadership at the very top…

    • zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 2:40 pm

      I would agree with that. I am obviously a big supporter of Zaidi, BUT there needs to honest communication with the fans about the length of time it could take to rebuild this thing. They’re just afraid to do that, and that has Baer’s fingerprints all over it. Baer came up in the Giants system through its marketing dept., and that is his core perspective on things. He’s a salesman at heart, and he is afraid of talking about longterm rebuild, because of what it could do to ticket sales, so that leaves Zaidi kind of hanging out there as far as being totally straight-forward with the fans. Zaidi has a weekly interview on KNBR, and I’ve heard it a couple of times, and he basically talks about trying to win games this season, but I don’t think he really believes that’s the top priority. The main thing is to develop talent for the future. Bart, Ramos, Anderson, and D-Rod have a better chance of being on the next Giants playoff teams than the aging declining core does.

      • zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 2:42 pm

        Z-man is the President of the Giants. Baer is CEO above him. So a new CEO is what you’re talking about.

      • Bozo said, on May 28, 2019 at 3:20 pm

        Interesting take on Zaidi, Zum. Question is, if the President/GM’s top priority isn’t winning games, why should the players care if they win or lose? Plus, if I’m a player on the trading block, why would I want to go all out just so I could end up moving to Cleveland or Milwaukee for the rest of the year?

  10. zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    It still comes down to how all-in the Giants are going to be on a tear-down rebuild. Baer earlier said no on that. They were going to try to win and rebuild at the same time. That just isn’t going to work with this core of veterans. They look stick-a-fork-in-them done. And all it does is slow down the process. It’s better to just rip the bandaid off now, IMO. Give the fans the blunt truth and go for the rebuild. Give the fans some credit for being loyal fans. Yeah, they’ll need to lower some ticket prices for a while, but sheesh, they totally jacked those prices up after winning the World Series multiple times. Time for the prices to come back down for a few years.

  11. zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 3:00 pm

    Adam Jones, himself, is probably wondering why he can’t get more love from WAR. His WAR at the start of today had only risen back to 0.2. He probably wants to shout “Come on, nerds! You gotta be kidding me!”

  12. zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 3:05 pm

    Bryan Reynolds’ WAR is up to 1.4, and he has a .942 OPS so far. I’m not sure why I’m annoying everyone with that. I’m just sort of marveling at how terrible that trade could turn out to be.

    • djloo27 said, on May 28, 2019 at 3:13 pm

      It’s our duty to annoy each other, Zum…

  13. Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 3:59 pm

  14. djloo27 said, on May 28, 2019 at 4:09 pm

    Torturous Star Spangled Banner.
    My fuckin’ head hurts…

    • zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 4:41 pm

      I didn’t hear it, but I feel your pain. A not very great song, that gets tortured by many singers because they try to make the song something better than it is, and they usually fail. It is what it is: a former drinking song whose tune was stolen and put to Francis Scott Keys’ over-wrought poem. It has high notes a lot of people can’t reach anyway.

      • zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 4:52 pm

        I wonder if most people realize the whole song is asking a question. It has a question mark at the end. By the end of the song most people have probably lost interest in the question. Yeah, we guess you can still see the flag. We weren’t at the battle for Fort McHenry, Francis, but we’ll take your word for it.
        We saved Fort McHenry, but meanwhile the British burned down the White House. Dollie Madison did save a painting of George Washington. Now THAT would make a cool song. “Oh say can you see, that painting of George Washington, it’s pretty cool, and now it’s in the White House East Room?” Question mark at the end.
        You can see it in the photo of the Giants in the East Room, when they met Obama after the 2010 championship. The ’12 and ’14 get-togethers were done outside if I remember correctly.

  15. Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    Terrible throw from pillar

  16. alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    They sure like to boot the ball around!
    Shit they gave that error to Yaz??
    That was all on Posey not catching that one..

  17. unca_chuck said, on May 28, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    Jeeebus. Get 2 guys out, get the last guy 0-2, and then throw a BP fastball for a base hit.

    Aaaaand the home run. Boch may mot fly home.

  18. alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    And that Huge Bomb wraps another pathetic effort..

  19. Bozo said, on May 28, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    Getting our asses kicked by Miami, priceless.

  20. unca_chuck said, on May 28, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    The thing that Baer HAS to know is not winning with an aging roster is no different that not winning with an unknown roster. I’m sure there was big drop in season tickets this offseason.

    Short of the delusional fan or two, who comes to the park to see Belt, Posey, Smargle, or Longo suck?

    The stands are empty. The place is nicer than the Stick so it’ll get some walkup attendance, but the 15,000 days are going to be the norm rather than the exception.

    And it will slowly dwindle as the season progresses.

  21. unca_chuck said, on May 28, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    The starting pitching has been absolutely atrocious. Smargle goes 4.

  22. unca_chuck said, on May 28, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    Dutch Oven Fire strikes again.

  23. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 28, 2019 at 6:34 pm

    I get the Bochy love here from some, and we all love(d) him, but really, retiring him at the break makes complete sense. Not because he’s incompetent and *couldn’t* be part of a rebuild, but strictly because he *won’t* be part of this rebuild, so why not get it all started the 2nd half of the season instead of wondering all off-season how the 2020 team/season will look. Get it going already with new management. Why waste (another) half a season?

  24. djloo27 said, on May 28, 2019 at 6:51 pm

  25. Macdog said, on May 28, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    Four more months of this.

    • djloo27 said, on May 28, 2019 at 7:01 pm

      More like 4 more years – if we’re lucky…

  26. djloo27 said, on May 28, 2019 at 7:10 pm

  27. Flavor said, on May 28, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    thank God we fought like hell to the end, forced the final score into a single digit loss. I love these guys.

  28. alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    There is progress, against the D-backs in the opener it was 18-2,, this opener 11-3 Yeah baby!! 7 runs less 1 more run scored!!

  29. zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:01 pm

    Bozo, your point about the players’ morale is well-taken. I get that. But I look at the way Freddie Freeman dug deep and kept his professionalism and effort during the awful Atlanta rebuilding years. I’m always impressed with players that do that. They know they’re going to get hammered a lot, but they still give full effort.

    • Bozo said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:44 pm

      I didn’t watch the Braves that much but that doesn’t surprise me about Freeman. Yes, I do think some of the Giants are mailing it in, but Pablo, Smith and Bum have looked like they’re giving it their all to me, and all are possible trades. Still going back to what you said about Zaidi, that could also explain a difference between the two teams, unless you also got the feeling that winning wasn’t a priority for John Hart and the Braves during that period.

      • zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 10:18 pm

        It wasn’t. They traded away McCann, Wood, Kimbrel, and Heyward, and a couple others I can’t remember. Hart took a lot of heat at the time.

  30. zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    Atlanta drafted well, made a few good acquisitions and have an exciting mostly young team now.

    • alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:31 pm

      Same can apply with the Astros, doormats for 4-5 seasons? got high draft picks which they hit on with a smart organization leadership that knew it would take time and was willing to take the heat during a rebuild, and now their one of the best teams, and we’ll run team in the game,,
      Unfortunately the Giants hung on with wobbly worn down players that are way past their experation date instead of a rebuild needed to start 3 years ago after their collapse to the Cubs..

  31. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    Game story on MLB has line that says “Joe Panik made a case for his All-Star consideration with a leadoff HR”…. seriously? Maybe All Star consideration for the team just because someone actually hit a homer… The writers for the Giants site are scrambling to produce meaningful content. Reminds me of my first journalism job out of college writing for an energy information publisher back in the early ’80s when one assignment was to put a good spin on a lousy energy production period of time and the editors kept saying “more positivity!” I tried. Ending up quitting.

    • djloo27 said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:23 pm

      Mac Williamson is on the All-Star ballot…

  32. djloo27 said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    100 days till football season…

  33. zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    Every team gets at least one All Star spot, of course, but I would think Smith is the guy.

  34. unca_chuck said, on May 28, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    Michael Reed? Parra? Solarte? Altherr?

    We go through ball players like Trump goes through cabinet members.

    • zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 9:52 pm

      Those guys are trivial, IMO. The core of the team looks like toast, and that’s the problem. The entire infield is high-priced toast. And Smarj is bleh, Cueto got injured, Bum got injured. All of those are the guys that were supposed to be the core still, and it didn’t happen. I liked a lot of those contracts at the time. Who could have predicted they would all decline? Well, maybe some of the young snalytics-driven GMs, maybe.

      • zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 9:53 pm


  35. snarkk said, on May 28, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    This just in. Miami stinks. And they clobbered the Giants.
    A horrendous roadie losing to three dogmeat teams would go a long way to support the start of the housecleaning…

    • zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 9:55 pm


  36. mrsprtdude said, on May 28, 2019 at 10:02 pm

    Clark thoughts resonate. Bochy brilliant in the past, but maybe he needs to turn over a post game spread and yell at these guys a bit?? Or maybe he got old and comfortable too?

    • djloo27 said, on May 29, 2019 at 4:51 am

      I thought Clark’s comments would get more of a reaction here…

  37. zumiee said, on May 28, 2019 at 10:19 pm

    Dodgers’ bullpen coughed it up tonight.

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