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A Mirage of Wins

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 8, 2019

True, we are 5.5 out of the 2nd wild card spot. I guess that looks exciting to the *facebook* crowd. The problem is that there are 8 teams in front on us. It is nearly mathematically impossible for 8 teams to tank when they are playing each other regularly  throughout the rest of the season. Maybe 3 or 4. But not 8. I suppose if we played .700 ball the rest of the way, as we did for the first time this season over the last 10 games, we could do it. Does anyone see us going 51-22 the rest of the way? At best we can rip off a 7-3 stretch once or twice a year (even the Tigers did that once earlier this season). But to do that the rest of the way is just not realistic. We need to not get emotional about this, accept that the only way to fix this massive shitstorm caused by Sabean and Evans is to trade away anything of value by July 31. And if we can somehow dump some salary along the way that’s a great move, too.

Look, we were two lucky at bats away from being swept by the Cardinals. It was nice to get those 2 wins but we’d be better off losing more than we win and getting a top 5 pick in this years draft. That is absolutely still the most likely outcome this year especially if Z does what he needs to do which is to trade Bum, Smith and anyone else of value.

We’re on pace to win 75 games (for the first time this season) and that would be bad for the future of the franchise if we hit that number. Win 68 or so, we’re golden…..

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  1. willedav said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:52 am

    The pitching is not a mirage, it’s real and has for most part been very good during June July. It’s been over a month now Giants have played over .500 ball. Look at the contenders in NL—Cards Pirates AZ Colo SD–they are all at or near .500. During their most recent run they have taken series from 3 of these teams.

    Smrdz survived 7 innings then Dyson and Smith closed them out. The Cards didn’t have a hit either for longest time. Day before they had 8-1 lead before Golds bomb in the game Bum started/pen finished off.
    I just don’t believe Giants are a last place team as presently constructed. The pitching is good enough for them to play .500 rest of year and they wind up winning 75+ games.
    At that point Z figures out what he can do with IF platoons and what he has to play with in minors/drafts. Outside of LA and maybe Braves/Nats rest of NL does not have world beater teams like Yanks Stros.

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:09 am

      none of this explains how we would leapfrog 8 teams. And while I pulled the .700 ball out of my ass it’s probably pretty close to that. Do you see this team playing .700 ball the rest of the season allowing them to snag a wildcard spot?
      And how can you say they aren’t a last place team, lol. They haven’t spent a few days in last place it’s been all freaking season. And up until this week we had exactly ONE team in the NL bested (The Marlins)

  2. Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:14 am

    I’ll say this, they are a little better than they were at the very beginning of the season. THAT team was a freaking joke and an obvious last place squad. They added Pillar, Dick, Yaz and the bullpen has really come together. They are better than the beginning of the year, but they still stink. I want a high draft pick, not some boring 75 win team that finishes with all the other boring teams and are stuck in that “What do we do, tear it down or become buyers” no man’s land.

  3. willedav said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:28 am

    But out of the 8 teams, half of those are .500 teams like Cards, who we just beat, Rox AZ and the Padres, 2 of whom Giants just beat as well. Nats, Phils, Brewers/Cubs (whomever doesn’t win division) are different story.
    But none of the 3 NL West teams are playing better than have been for over a month.

    Maybe it’s less that the Giants are so much better than the other teams just don’t look that good.

    75 Ws I find distinctly NOT boring; 65 and dead last and I’d say sayonara. And any first round pick should do wonders if Z and his team know what the F they are doing. Dodgers consistently draft way lower than Giants and like the Cards come up with fantastic young players on regular basis. You shouldn’t need to draft in top 5 to get a good enough player to be able to help ML team in few years.

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:32 am

      I suppose if everything was clicking we could pass 3 or 4 of those teams. Again, that does nothing for me. But I see your point about putting forth a more competitive team. I just don’t share that point.

  4. snarkk said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:34 am

    The goal of management should be to put the team on a long-term plan to get back into the playoffs hunt, a real chance. The plan should not be do what’s needed to be respectable, because that’s the plan they’ve been on before ZMan arrived. Look where that’s put them…

  5. snarkk said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:43 am

    Baggs on KNBR.
    Giants looking to trade talent to get higher level position prospects at AA or AAA that can help soon. SF is OK pretty much with current quality level of low minors…

  6. djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:50 am

    Should there be a limit on how much of our “best bullpen in the league” is offloaded in an era when building the bullpen seems to be every team’s #1 priority?

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:51 am

      yes, probably. A couple of days ago I noted the irony of rushing to trade Smith. In 2016 we got knocked out because of our pathetic bullpen and then now that we have the best closer in baseball we can’t wait to get rid of him.

    • snarkk said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:00 am

      There’s ample experience out there about closers being great for a year or two, then pfffffffttttt. Including The Beard. Jansen with LA is down this year. So, I wouldn’t get too wrapped up in giving away good Pen guys from an organization that needs a big injection of talent…

  7. snarkk said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:57 am

    That Lucroy home plate collision in Houston yesterday was brutal. Seems to me the runner clearly breaks the Posey rule. He’s running down the line until the last two steps where he clearly veers out of the line to the inside of the field to take out Lucroy. Suspension time, if this rule is supposed to mean anything…

  8. Macdog said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:12 am

    Nats were 19-31 on May 23 and are now 47-42. Not likely that the Giants can do this as well — their low point is also 12-under .500 — but, hey, it’s not impossible. One big factor in the Nats’ resurgence: Their current 10-2 run has come against the Marlins (6-0), Tigers (2-1) and Royals (2-1), three of the worst teams in MLB.

  9. unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:48 am

    Well, according to my internal clock, every time this team starts playing well and I get the least bit optimistic, they crash and burn. Given that they got hot at the break, it’ll be interesting to see how they respond coming out of it.

    19 games to play before the deadline hits. And, since we are the road warriors and 13 of these games are roadies, hey, let it ride. We should have a pretty good idea where we stand in 24 days.

    Worrying about the teams they need to jump is relevant, but really they just need to reach .500 and take it from there. The fact that these teams all play each other almost ensures that no one will break away.

    The Giants haven’t been this close to .500 since May, when they went on their 7 game losing streak. That and the early struggles (Hey Joe, what you doing with that bat in your hand?) put this team in their current ditch.

    • zumiee said, on July 8, 2019 at 10:04 am

      Connor Joe is now in the Dodger organization. His journey continues.

      • zumiee said, on July 8, 2019 at 10:05 am

        They’ll probably change his swing and he’ll hit 30 HRs next season. 🙂

  10. unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:54 am

    And hey, the Dogs lost 3 of 4 to the Friars at home. If we get the division lead down to 13 by mid-August, we could have 1951 all over again. 😀

    • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 10:10 am

      Awesome! I’d get to go to my parent’s wedding…

      • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 10:11 am

        And try to talk them out of it…

      • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 10:36 am


    • zumiee said, on July 8, 2019 at 10:54 am


  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 8, 2019 at 10:59 am

    My biggest takeaway at the halfway point is that Panik and his 86.1 exit velocity is some weak tit and he still sucks.

    When the season started all I was hoping for was a decent brand of baseball at something close to a .500 clip so this recent run is nice. The club’s not as bad as it was in April and not as good at it is in July. Just trade Smith before he encounters any health issues.

  12. Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 11:02 am

    You guys catch Jarret Parker getting some starts lately for the Angles?

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 8, 2019 at 11:03 am

      I did see that. Parker (who sucks like Panik) has gone 0-12 in 5 games.

  13. dirtnrocksnomo said, on July 8, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Tampa Bay is right in the thick of the wild card and lost another reliever today. Watson/Gott come on down? If the club only retained Moronta from the current group would it be so bad?

  14. zumiee said, on July 8, 2019 at 11:35 am

    According to McCovey Chronicles, the teams with the most difficult remaining schedules based on opponents’ current winning % are:

  15. sandog said, on July 8, 2019 at 11:49 am

    I’m still down with trading Bum, Smith, and Watson as long as the return is reasonable.
    I want nothing to do with off loading salaries. Money aint our problem, lack of talent is our problem.
    We wouldn’t have been willing to take on Stanton’s contract or offered 350 mil to Harper if money were a problem.
    I want to see us maximize the amount of talent coming back in any deals and combining the off loading of salaries would water down the talent return. No bueno in my book.

  16. unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 12:18 pm

    Crawford and Posey stand to be here 2 more years. Their ineffectiveness at this point in their respective careers is astounding.

  17. unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    Smargle and Longo, and even Belt are actually producing at a somewhat decent level, but Melonhead, Posey and Crawford are not. If Smith or Bummie go, Crawfish/Melon HAS to be attached to the deal.

    Cueto stands to make himself worth trading next year should he come back strong.

    We need to eat/lose one bad deal a year. Starting with Crawfish or Blind Melancon.

    • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 12:38 pm

      The last thing you want when Blind Melancon takes the hill is No Rain…

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 12:53 pm

      Agreed. It is critical to send $$$ out. The old “the Giants are loaded they can afford it” doesn’t really wash. They’re a business like any other, they seem to watch their spending and don’t like paying guys to sit. Whether we like it or not they seem near the top in terms of what they feel comfortable spending. Let’s ditch as much $$$ as possible and they’ll feel better about big free agent splashes in the next couple of years.

      • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 4:16 pm

        Won’t happen.
        Especially for rentals…

  18. djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    Annual Ritual Time:

    Let us all pray for the safety of the young, uncoordinated, sitting ducks in the Home Run Derby outfield. I think I’ve been doing this since 2007. Who among you dads would allow your kids with average to below average baseball skills – under the age of say 18 – to risk getting maimed, disfigured, or worse?

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 12:55 pm

      I’d let my kid do that. There are riskier activities put there. Shit Loo, in the 70s everything we did for fun was riskier than that

      • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 3:19 pm

        As Popeye Doyle said in The French Connection:
        “I don’t buy that, Irv”…

      • Eric Lovell said, on July 8, 2019 at 3:36 pm

        Ernie pulling us on skateboards comes to mind

      • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 4:12 pm

        A great discovery was that putting a lit match to the nozzle of a can of Lysol would turn it into a blow torch. One budding psychotic cornered a live rat in the schoolyard and the rest was history.
        Highbrow entertainment 50 years ago…

    • Macdog said, on July 8, 2019 at 1:08 pm

      Better to have the kids out there shagging flies than someone like Mac the Oaf.

    • xoot said, on July 8, 2019 at 3:46 pm

      My younger son would’ve been able to handle from the age ten on; I would’ve found a way to keep my older son off the field.

  19. unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 12:59 pm

    14 should be the cutoff but I have no idea the criteria they use to throw kids out there. Man, we all did nutty shit back in the day and survived. No helmets, no seat belts, no supervision.

  20. Bozo said, on July 8, 2019 at 1:04 pm

    “Aim high or fuck off”.

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 2:42 pm

      oh hell yeah. Wait, when did I say that and what was I talking about? Winning out?

      • unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 2:52 pm

        i was thinking it was about catching a foul ball . . .

      • Bozo said, on July 8, 2019 at 6:24 pm

        You knew it was coming back atcha, didn’t you?

      • Macdog said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:03 pm

        Flav came up with #AHOFO in the June 19 “You Need Two To Rival” thread:

        Flavor said, on June 19, 2019 at 10:00 am
        fuck that, win out and we get to 122 wins. Aim high or fuck off is my new moto. #AHOFO

  21. unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    Heh heh. Yup.

  22. unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 2:51 pm

    Baseball is becoming football a little bit. A lot of fair to middling teams among a few great ones.

  23. zumiee said, on July 8, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    Verlander is calling out MLB for the juiced baseballs, and the Commisioner had to admit it, but the Commish says MLB didn’t ask the manufacturer to change the balls.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 8, 2019 at 5:12 pm

      (wink wink, nudge nudge) Say no more, say no more

    • xoot said, on July 8, 2019 at 6:04 pm

      And what’shisname Epstein had no idea every girl he hired for his parties was under 18.

  24. zumiee said, on July 8, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    The HR derby just doesn’t do it for me.

    • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 6:02 pm

      It is God-awful…

  25. alleykat69 said, on July 8, 2019 at 6:10 pm

    HR Derby needs Kelby(Specs) Tomlinson to peak my interest..

  26. alleykat69 said, on July 8, 2019 at 6:53 pm

    Jesus they can’t even keep the HR count on the scoreboard right.Its like instant replay always wrong!

  27. Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:08 pm

    That was actually quite entertaining

  28. snarkk said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:23 pm

    Talking about doing risky crap as kids. When I was in parochial grammar school, in about 6th grade we had one guy who was always doing stoopid stuff, and getting hurt. It wasn’t like we egged him on, well not really. I remember one time especially. He had a funky big bike with a big banana seat. You older dudes may remember those things. On the asphalt ball yard, there was a broken down wooden picnic table, with legs off at one end. A perfect launch angle, ala Evel Knievel. Let’s call the doofus– Jim. He saw the picnic table as an invitation to glory. The guys surrounded him and let’s say, we didn’t dissuade the attempt. Though we all snickered amongst ourselves that some amusing devastation was about to happen. Sure ‘nuf, he hit the picnic table ramp at high speed, went up, and the front wheel just dropped off the edge. Jim went ass over tea kettle, right on his shoulder onto the asphalt. Ouch. Much yowling and screaming. Result: knowing head nods and grins among the innnocent spectators. And yes, a broken collarbone. Jim was in a sling for at least the next 6 weeks. Ah, those were the days…

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:53 pm

      “he saw the picnic table as an invitation to glory.” what a great line

      • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:44 pm


    • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:26 pm

      The craziest kids did their stuff on bikes…

  29. pawliekokonuts said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    Why are you so hellbent on dousing us with the cold waters of Reality Bay?

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:52 pm

      it’s not that I want to douse anything, I just don’t want to see any of that happen. Us being buyers? Puke. We need to fix our terrible squad that has a million holes in it. And that starts with the minor leagues. Let’s build that system up, we are on the right track right now, there are some quality young guys down there. But we need more.

      • snarkk said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:56 pm

        Denial leads to a sea of losses; Realism leads to an ocean of wins…

  30. Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:48 pm

    Alonso was my pick at MLB.com

  31. Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 7:51 pm

    lol, well I got one side of it correct

  32. djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    I’m extra cranky lately as my life winds down to nothing but errands, favors, and listening to people gripe about every fuckin’ thing like I can solve their stupid fuckin’ problems. I’m no tough guy but anyone who says any of the following things in my presence is getting their skull split open with the Scott McClain bat.

    1) Everything happens for a reason. (Blow me)
    2) The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over blah, blah, blah……(NO IT FUCKIN ISN’T)
    3) Find something you love to do and you’ll never work a day in your life. (Please go fuck yourself)
    4) And the Atlantic Ocean is not a motherfuckin’ pond.

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:49 pm

      #2 sends me into a blind rage. It’s total fucking nonsense and everyone acts like this is the psychiatric definition of insanity.

      • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:53 pm

        I’m so happy you feel that way…

  33. willedav said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    Lost in all the “bad contract” discussion is the fact that a healthy portion of the current team isn’t making jack shit. Vogt Solano Sando (paid by Sox this season again) Austin Yaz Dick Slater on position players and Beede Anderson Gott. That’s 10 guys who barely cost $10 mil combined.

    In order to get rid of someone, has to be one of 2 things: either send some of what they are owed back to the other team or take on someone else’s bad deal as in a loo special.

    I was thinking while they were playing Pads about a swap for Myers. He hit .220 last year, isn’t doing much better this year and they owe him $22 mil for next 3 yrs. Would they take Smrdz in exchange, plus Panik to cover 2b? As we’ve seen before, obviously hitting at the O doesn’t bother him.

    • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:46 pm

      I dream about deals like that, but for some reason they seem to never happen…

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:48 pm

      great point about the number of guys making shit.

  34. mrsprtdude said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:50 pm

    HR derby used to be kinda fun. Fun because homers were rare. Watching a rookie who can’t live up to his hype hit 10+ homers in a row is boring as shit.

    • Flavor said, on July 8, 2019 at 8:55 pm

      disagree. That back and forth overtime shit between Vlad Jr and Jock Strap was entertaining as hell. And while there are more bombs these guys are still hitting more bombs than anyone else in the world could hit.

  35. mrsprtdude said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    I stopped watching before the final. We can agree that us even finishing .500 is a pipe dream. Now that we have ‘Champions blood” Giants need to reload. If Z decides we are “in it” and actually trades for players to try and win now I’m gonna be crazy pissed

    • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:05 pm

      I don’t think you have to worry about that…

  36. alleykat69 said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    Vlad Jr’s HR Derby total 91
    Giants 1st half HR total 87

  37. djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    In a couple of years, we’ll be the Rays with a nicer ballpark…

  38. mrsprtdude said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:14 pm

    A greater discovery ( my friend who had a pool) was that a smashed up ball of aluminum foil dropped into a pepsi bottle that had hcl (pool acid anyone?) in it. It would bubble up pure hydrogen. Drop the foil in, put a balloon over it presto hydrogen balloon. Attach a string. Light it on fire and let it go. 100 feet up BOOM. What could go wrong?.

    • djloo27 said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:22 pm

      Seriously? You may have just saved my summer!

  39. zumiee said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    As long as we’re talking about pet peeves, since when did taking your family on vacation become “making memories.”
    Where did that come from? Why do people talk that way?

    What did you guys do last Saturday?
    – We made memories.
    Wow, that’s great; how do you do that?
    -Well, you do stuff, and then remember it later.
    Man, that’s cool.

  40. zumiee said, on July 8, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    • alleykat69 said, on July 8, 2019 at 10:28 pm

      Is that Zman’s face after taking over the Giants operation?

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