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Never Again And Forever Always, #22

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 12, 2019

That was probably the win of the year. With Mendez getting yanked in the 2nd for some dude I’ve never heard of, the chances of getting embarrassed on the national stage were high. But not on Roger Craig’s watch. Mendez coulda walked 30 hitters, there was no way they were losing on the night they retired The Thrill’s number and Humm Baby himself shuffled on to the diamond in the pre-game ceremony. NO WAY.

As great of a win as that was, winning consistently is going to be a problem with only one and a half (Bum and Smarge) reliable starting pitchers. Mendez, Beede, Anderson, whether they’re burnt out or just not good enough, I see a lot of 3-7’s from here on out when the number needs to be 7-3 for us to make up enough ground in the wild card race.

But whatever, that’s for the baseball gods to sort out. Great win last night……

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  1. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 6:53 am

    At the 10 year reunion of the 2010 team in 2020, they can announce the retiring of 18 and 55.

    • wilcojoe said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:37 am

      Lincecum yes, Cain, eh, I don’t know about that. Where do you draw the line in the sand for retiring numbers for some of these guys?

      I think Bonds and The Thrill needed to happen and since the HOF isn’t going to induct Kent, why shouldn’t he be next?

      • Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:41 am

        No to Cainer. Yes to 75. Wouldn’t have 2012 without him, eh? Oh my! that’s right, I went there! Boo ya!

      • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:46 am

        Kent deserves both Hall and retired #…I’ll be rocking my Cain jersey Wednesday…

      • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2019 at 2:46 pm

        Without a name on the back, it’s also your Connor Joe jersey…

  2. Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Ty Blach might be starting Game 2 of that double header with the Yankees today. That could be a wild ride.

  3. willedav said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:43 am

    more good news: end of Hank’s column in Chron he says, “Bochy suggested Giants could have new leadoff hitter Tuesday.”

    • alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2019 at 8:00 am

      Hope it’s Jaylin Davis, He’s the kind of dynamic player I would love to see lead off for a team that needs a new igniter for the stretch run..

      • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:47 am

        Who da hell??? Details por favor…would be nice to see something new not named Belt leading off…

  4. wilcojoe said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:43 am

    It will be interesting to see how they honor the 10 year anniversary of the 2010 team next year. It just feels too soon. Like, how has it been 10 years already? But if Larry Baer is still around, you can be damn sure, he will be marketing it to death.

  5. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:48 am

    Cain and Lincecum, the pillars of the 3-in-5. Forever linked in history. Both born in 1984. Cain arrived in the big leagues first. Lincecum arrived with more flair. Both never complained when they got very little run support. They were a breath of fresh air to a franchise in misery.

  6. willedav said, on August 12, 2019 at 8:15 am

    Great column in chron today about how Bochy got started managing in Pads system. He talks about long bus rides from Spokane to Boise and Everett (WA) to Salem (OR) and throwing batting practice every day yada yada. There is no way next Giants mgr did that kind of stuff and learned game and players way he did.

  7. snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 8:29 am

    I don’t see how you can retire Will Clark’s number, and down the road, not retire the 55. Both deserved. Has to happen…

    • alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:21 am

      Shawn Estes would like that too lol since he wore 55 also..

  8. snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:31 am

    Yep, AK, Estes was awesome, ha ha. I think he’s headed to be the guy who takes over permanently for Kruk, if he wants it…

  9. Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:41 am

    somewhere Rikkert Faneyte is tippin’ one back and giving himself a knowing dude head nod for a career well done.

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:45 am

      The new guy from the Orioles— Name sounds like his cousin…

      • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:48 am

        Rickard….

      • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:49 am

        And he could lead off

  10. gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:44 am

    Was not able to watch the game live (damn wife making me watch some crappy reality fiance show…ugh) to keep up with the Flap but Boch actually managed the game like it was a must win and I really thought the team had to go 6-4 in the last 3 series and a must win in a lot of ways last night to get it to 4-6.

    The road will be hard and Bum and Smarj are just not enough to get the job done. Can Farhan find anyone on the scrap heap who cant pitch in AL and hitter friendly parks but may be wily enough to pitch to ATT/Oracle park standards and what has been more pitcher friendly parks in SmeelLA and SD….think the Boch count is down to 15.. on a plane tonight and first home Giants game for me in 16 years I believe. See you there Blade.

    • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:49 am

      What arm could be DFA’d next couple of weeks???

  11. snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:52 am

    I think BF is on the right track here. These young pitchers are not ready for prime time. MaBe with seasoning they are getting now, next year they’ll be ready. Who knows? But Bum and Smardzzz ain’t enough unless the squad starts scoring 6 per game. I’d get Rodriguez back up, Menez isn’t ready. Bring him back in call ups, maybe. They need Cueto, badly…

  12. gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:52 am

    Besides Lincecum.. next retired numbers from this era will be Posey then Bum…

  13. wilcojoe said, on August 12, 2019 at 11:47 am

    Lincecum was a 4 time all star, 3 time WS Champion and 2 time Cy Young. Had he perished in a place crash after the 2014 season, do you think he makes the HOF?

    • alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2019 at 11:58 am

      Good enough for Roy Halliday to get in, so why not Timmeh?

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 11:58 am

      No, at 101 career wins, it just wouldn’t have been enough, even with wins not being as big a deal to the voters as it used to be.

      • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:09 pm

        Halladay had 203 career wins, which made the difference.

  14. alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2019 at 11:55 am

    Just can’t see Matt Cain getting his jersey retired.He only had 4 good years 2009-2012 then stunk it up till the end.Career record 104-118 doesn’t cut it for me overall.Sure he got “Cained” a lot so the record should of been better,but overall not good enough even with his perfect game imo..

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:07 pm

      Exactly AK, I can’t see it either. Timmy, I could possibly see, but not Cain. Cain will get a wall plaque and free invites into the booth when Estes and fill in the blank are the announcing crew.

  15. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:03 pm

    No way, no how, Timmy makes the HOF if you encompass all the seasons through 2014. Remember, he stunk in both 2013 and 2014 for most of those seasons. Now, if the plane went down after 2011, maybe 20 years from now or whenever that “old timers voting committee” (or whatever the fuck it’s called) kicks in – yeah, maybe he gets in.

    Just so you have the facts, here’s his baseball reference stats and as you can see, his performance dropped like a rock after 2011.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/linceti01.shtml

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:11 pm

      4 dominant seasons won’t get him in. I don’t see that ever changing.

      • wilcojoe said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:24 pm

        Didn’t Koufax only have like 150 wins?

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:48 pm

        Well, he didn’t die tragically in a plane either. 🙂

      • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 3:58 pm

        Lincecum does not come close to the Hall except of he is visiting…number will definitely be retired…not Cain

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:14 pm

      Sort of the same deal with Posey unless he somehow rebounds with 3-4 years of solid numbers at the plate.

    • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 3:58 pm

      Lincecum does not come close to the Hall except of he is visiting…number will definitely be retired…not Cain

  16. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:13 pm

    I’m on board with retiring #22 because The Thrill represents an era but it sets sort of a strange precedent of honoring players that is probably better fulfilled by the plaques around the yard. As much as I liked Cain I agree that it is Lincecum, Bumgarner or Posey that represent the 2010-2014 run. If I had to pick it would be #55 due to the way he burst onto the scene with such awesome raw talent and was embraced by the City. With a solid 4-5 year run Bumgarner could get to 200 wins. Combined with his post season heroics and rings maybe that’s enough in this era to get him in the hall and he gets a statue and his number retired anyway.

  17. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:17 pm

    I don’t feel like the team needs to be stingy regarding retiring numbers. Now that the silly franchise “rule” that the person had to be in the Hall of Fame is gone, you can honor players that have a unique pivotal historic place in Giants history. I think Cain makes that threshold. I could see it happening for Kent, too, although winning the ’02 World Series would have helped his cause a lot.
    Players nowadays are comfortable wearing high numbers like 70 or 99 or whatever. There will be no shortage of numbers anymore for any team.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:45 pm

      No, I don’t like it. As Dirt said, it starts a precedent, which is bad (my opinion only). Frankly, I am not a big Will Clark fan, but that probably has everything to do with growing up in a different era as a kid. Consequently, I completely understand why people Flav’s age admire him.

      Dirt also said that if Bum acquires 200 wins and/or has a good 4-5 year run, that should be sufficient for HOF induction. Again, I agree. This is a different era. Consequently, 200 wins or stats like Bum has, especially in this era of bombs (which again, I hate), should be sufficient for induction. Sheesh, maybe wins don’t even matter anymore? Even I’ve learned that . . . Today, ERA, park factors, WHIP, and WAR are far more important stats versus wins (which seems like a team effort imo).

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 12:49 pm

        Oh . . . and get off my lawn. lqtm

  18. Macdog said, on August 12, 2019 at 2:02 pm

    The 2020 schedule is out!

    • Macdog said, on August 12, 2019 at 2:07 pm

      What a shock — Giants open on the road again (L.A.).

    • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:01 pm

      Maybe an overseas game or Mexico for first game?

  19. alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2019 at 2:04 pm

    Yeah theirs no way Tim gets in the HOF, the numbers just are not enough with 110-89 record, the years too hurt him,just not sustainable enough of quality years.
    HOF is stingy with the pitchers, you need numbers are incredible amount of saves to make the Duffey.
    Their are 36 pitchers that won over 200 games A bunch more in the high 100’s, 21 pitchers won over 300 games.
    1 pitcher over 400 games
    And then some guy named Cy Young (which the coveted best pitcher award is named after) won an incredible never to be broken 511 freakin wins!

  20. alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2019 at 2:05 pm

    Duffey?? scratch that I meant HOF

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 2:49 pm

      “to make the Duffey”
      You may have coined another new phrase!

      • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2019 at 3:05 pm

        It’s outstanding!

  21. snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    Ask Giants fans.
    Your choice. You can have lunch or dinner or beers with Cain or Timmy, just one, which do you choose ? Your choice has his number retired. I’m saying 90/10 Timmy, at least…

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 2:53 pm

      But my whole point is why does it have to be a choice? Have dinner with both of them, and retire both numbers. Picking one over the other just seems wrong and a bad vibe to me. Nobody else should ever wear the Giants #18, in my opinion. I bet the Facebook crowd is with me on this one!! 🙂

      • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2019 at 3:06 pm

        Connor Joe already has…

      • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 3:11 pm

        Retire Joe’s number.

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 3:32 pm

        Cain doesn’t deserve retiring, IMO…

      • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:04 pm

        Tim was a shooting star – kinda like Roger Maris for the Yankees.
        Cain was overrated IMO, although his 2010 PS was one for the ages…

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:00 pm

      Well, it was a choice with Will. My point is that retiring a number is part PR if you don’t stay with that HOF requirement, and now they’re not. Timmy is far more popular than Cain. If you want both retired, OK, but Baer won’t retire them at the same time. Timmy before Cain. And Cain is lifetime under .500…

    • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:02 pm

      Tim-May

  22. Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 3:24 pm

    there are a lot of numbers new guys can choose from. I’m for retiring as many as we can. Why not?

  23. Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    lol. Ok, who’s seen Screwball?

    • gianthead said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:02 pm

      Idiot

  24. djloo27 said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:09 pm

    In the past decade, the NY Rangers have retired 4 numbers of guys that hadn’t played for them in over 40 years. Don’t know if it was done to correct oversights or to let these guys smell the roses while they’re alive.
    Two of ’em have since died…

  25. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:13 pm

    Wilco, Koufax had 165 career wins and last 4 seasons he won the CY award.

  26. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    This sort of blows my mind . . . Willie Mays led the league in WAR 9 times (not just for his position either). Of course, WAR hadn’t even been invented back than. Now, it is probably the biggest stat they look at in determining the MVP. I was too lazy to check out how many times Bonds won WAR, but I would imagine it was more than the 7 MVPs he won.

  27. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:23 pm

    If Baer doesn’t have his social media meltdown would he be itching to get a good PR hit by announcing the retirement of #22?

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:36 pm

      Great question. It worked out well for Will, if that was at least part of Baer’s motivation.

  28. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    A-Rod parked his vehicle on a street with all those valuables in it. That’s mindboggling. I RARELY have ever parked on the street in SF. And one time I got towed!

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:41 pm

      Actually, now that I think about it, I did park on the street several times for a music club called the Independent, near the Haight area. There just isn’t any parking garage near it. But the amount of valuables inside the vehicle were zero.

  29. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    Surely the Giants had parking available for him at the ballpark, I would think.

  30. snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    Yes, you’d think A-Rod could have parked his car in the media lot at Oracle? Why didn’t he have a town car and a driver? Bad contract negotiation on his part? Anyway, what possibly was worth half a million of “miscellaneous jewelry and a bag” in his car? J-Lo may be pissed that some gaudy baubles got stolen. I assume he’s got a hefty jewelry rider on his insurance if he’s got that much jewelry — unless he’s more of a doofus than he seems…

  31. blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:08 pm

    I dislike pro football, but stories like this warm my heart. A 24 year old homeless dude – who last played football in junior college – talked his way into a tryout and in the team’s 1st preseason game, he scores an 86 yard punt return for a touchdown. I hope he makes it.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/09/us/nfl-rookie-sheehy-guiseppi-touchdown-trnd/index.html

  32. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    In my 7 years living in SF, of course I had to park my car on the street(s) where I lived. But yeah, never left anything too valuable. I had a Jeep Wrangler soft-top. Twice someone had sliced one of the soft plastic windows to get inside and rummage around. Fucking idiots — go ahead, climb in and look around, but sheesh, there’s a zipper on the windows, don’t cut the damned thing, not cheap to replace…. One time I had a blanket stolen out of the back. Figured it might’ve been someone homeless, they needed it more than I did. And the kind soul actually did unzip, not slice, the window. And even zipped it closed most of the way when he was done..

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:31 pm

      I understand Paul. I have had 3 Wranglers and the 2nd one I had (2006 Golden Eagle collectors edition) was a soft top . . .. I never had it “knifed,” but I damned sure worried about that happening. So yeah, I get your angst about that. By the by, I will never get another soft top again – Jeep soft tops are the worst, most unwieldy tops to remove and put back on. I have broken nails trying to get those zippers to close completely. Arggghhh!

  33. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    Cain had a 4 year stretch of ERAs of 2.89, 3.14, 2.88, and 2.79. The last one in the list was 2012 when he was so pivotal in the playoffs for the Giants, and, of course, pitched a perfect game that season.
    With decent run support in any of those 4 seasons, he could have been a 20 game winner.

    • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:22 pm

      He did win 16 games in 2012.

  34. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:29 pm

    Ty Blach gave up 6 ERs to the Yanks in 4 innings.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:32 pm

      One more outing like that and I smell a new career as a car salesman or similar for him.

    • djloo27 said, on August 12, 2019 at 5:47 pm

      Borderline quality start by current standards…

    • Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 6:11 pm

      I mean that was kind of an easy one to see coming, eh? Blach vs Savages?

  35. Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 6:10 pm

    Mountain Mike’s pizza is better than round table. Feels good to finally get that out in the open.

  36. snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    So, round table is better than, say, flavored cardboard?…

  37. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 12, 2019 at 6:55 pm

    Yeah, Steve, I hear ya about the soft top Wranglers, sometimes putting the roofs back up (in the dark, in the cold, whatever) was a pain.. but I loved my 2 soft tops. Many fond memories of jeepin’ thru Death Valley or Joshua Tree or Kings Canyon on a starry starry night with the top down and a half naked lovely in the passenger seat….

    • alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:20 pm

      Care to elaborate more on the half naked lovely in the passenger seat?

  38. snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:07 pm

    I had no idea Blach ended up with the Orioles.
    He’s gonna get torched at Camden Yards…

    • Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:12 pm

      they just needed someone for a spot start in Game 2 of the DH, he’ll go back down to AAA after this.

  39. Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    Goddamn, Chris Cuomo needs to chill or have a beer or get a blow job or something
    https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/12/chris-cuomo-threatens-man-who-hurled-italian-slur-fredo-at-him/

    • alleykat69 said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:29 pm

      Yeah no shit, does Chris get this fired up if someone sitting next to him orders Spaghetti Al Fredo?

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:35 pm

      Seriously, I had no idea calling somebody Italian “Fredo” was some kind of insult.
      I never heard of that, I’d never come up with it. And, I’ve seen The Godfather and II a ton of times, so I well know who Fredo was. Is this an East Coast thing?…

      • Flavor said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:39 pm

        that was what I was wondering, too. An ethnic slur? I’ve never heard that but of course I’m not Italian or from the east coast where it sounds like this term is used? Maybe our NY contingent can chime in and make heads or tails of it

      • snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 7:52 pm

        One of my best buds is Italian, I’ve known him 45+ years.
        He’s as Italian as they come. And, he could teach Cuomo how to swear better.
        I’ve never heard this Fredo thing from him or anybody else …

  40. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    Ha ha! TF blasted me one time when I said good things about Mountain Mike’s. I think his main point was the high calory count of their pizza, which is likely true. It wasn’t like I ate there all that often. Moderation is important. 🙂

    • snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 8:24 pm

      We often get a take n bake family size from Papa Murphy’s.
      Thin crust veggie with garlic sauce, pretty damn good right outta our 475 oven.
      Occasionally I’ll cheat with half of it sausage or canadian bacon…

      • zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:07 pm

        Sounds great!

  41. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 8:24 pm

    I have no problem with Round Table. I’m all in on that, too.

    • sandog said, on August 12, 2019 at 8:38 pm

      I like it too. I did a lot of Friday nights at Round Table with the kids back in the day. Good salad bar as well.

  42. zumiee said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    Walt’s pizza wasn’t appreciated.

  43. pawliekokonuts said, on August 12, 2019 at 9:17 pm

    I have a good friend whose name is Alfredo. Most people call him Al. But his real name is Alfredo. I like to call him that. He likes it too. Calls me Paolo sometimes.

  44. snarkk said, on August 12, 2019 at 10:49 pm

    This was the first and only take of the pizza throw. Perfect.
    When I was in Albuquerque once, I drove past Walter White’s (this) house, just to see it.
    There were two women sitting in the driveway on lawn chairs with the garage door open.
    They waved me away like I had the plague…

  45. unca_chuck said, on August 13, 2019 at 10:15 am

    Yeah, my old Mustang convertible, I never locked it. And I never had my top cut. Everything went in the trunk. I did lose some speakers, but not that big a deal.

  46. unca_chuck said, on August 13, 2019 at 10:24 am

    Guido was the catchall Italian name I thought was the insult. Fredo? Who knew? I mean if the insult is only as old as the Godfather, then it ain’t really bad.

    The guy’s response is pretty lame as well though. “I thought your name was Fredo.” Right. Everyone watches the Fredo Cuomo show.

    And yeah, props for Round Table. I think the 2nd one to open was in San Mateo and we went there all the time when I was a kid. It is consistently good, and they nail their crust. It’s a North Beach pizza now.


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