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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 24, 2019

Bumgarner back home in his preferred venue. I didn’t realize his home/road splits were so wide. He’s got a 2.80 ERA at Oracle but a 5.29(!) on the road. That’s an ominous sign. Additionally, his WHIP is under 1.00 at home (0.91) but 1.41 on the road.

You guys really want this guy back? Even on just a 3 year deal?

I am 100% against signing any free agent pitcher for any high dollar amount. Until they fix the free agency rules you’re just paying for what the guy did and awaiting his ultimate, unavoidable TJ surgery……..

 

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  1. blade3colorado said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:39 am

    No.

  2. willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:31 am

    Yes without question. He can still get hitters out and has made necessary adjustments. ERA Ks FIP stats still more than OK and I think they can continue to be that way for couple more seasons. Also serves as role model/mentor for younger guys, not something that shows up in fantasy/analytics ball
    .
    And there is second half of the argument—what doomed Padres this season, despite all the bombs they hit, is lack of vet role model accustomed to making 30 starts and getting through a season. Pads went all in with kids and most of them have ERAs higher than Bum’s, but less than Giants kids who are mostly over 5.00. Giants will be in enough trouble finding 70+ decent starts to get through a season even with Bum. Smrdz is in last year and could wind up being dealt off at some point in season. Only SP Z found last year was Pom, and his only value was in what he brought back.

  3. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:04 am

    As opposed to who? Southbound Suarez? D-Rod? If he takes a 3 year deal, do it.

  4. willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:04 am

    Cubs playoff chances down to 2% after latest Sept collapse. Brewers have gone 10-2 without Yelich. Interesting to see what goes on over there.

  5. alleykat69 said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:16 am

    ❤️🐶

  6. alleykat69 said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:24 am

    Oops need more coffee ☕️
    To many starters that don’t have their shit together, Bum is the only consistent starter that you just hand the ball to and feel confident with. 3/75 option on a 4th.200 inning guys are hard to fine and takes pressure off a worn down BP.

  7. Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:24 am

    Giants are 19-14 in games Bum started, this after a 1-5 March/April, does that count for something in Saberworld? Since they didn’t deal him away, and if it’s no more than 3 years, then yes, might as well bring him back.

  8. blade3colorado said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:06 am

    Belt, Crawford, Longoria, and Posey are past their milk expiration dates. Those four have combined for less than 6 WAR this season and the Giants owe that group over $160 million the next few years. There is absolutely no guarantee that the Giants can unload one of them, much less all of them. Posey is an icon, so he probably gets a pass anyway.

    They will obviously make MadBum the qualifying offer after the season, but do they give him that big multi-year extension, or let him test free agency? Just my take, but in lieu of the “Core” money conundrum, I think MadBum goes to a team like the Braves, whom can risk a big money contract and the distinct possibility of the 30 year old Bumgarner cratering. By the by, he turns 31 in August.

    Let’s be serious, i.e., the Giants will continue to rebuild and it will look like a carbon copy of 2019. Remember, the Giants only competed in July. The rest of the season, they had a losing record.

    So, 2020 will be the 2019 redux, where they sign lower profile free agents to one-year contracts and hope to strike lightening in a bottle or cash them in as trade chips (like Pom); make low end trades (see Pillar); probe and scavenge the waiver wire and other teams Triple-A rosters for unknown talent (like Yaz and the Dick); and, promote from within (like black shoes Beede). In short, the Wild Card – 1 or 2 – is a pipe dream in my opinion.

  9. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:36 am

    Yeah, I thought 3/75 was at least a good starting place.

  10. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:37 am

    Again, they can trade Belt for something and eat salary. Then just DFA Crawford. With 2 bad deals off the books, there’s room to breathe a little.

  11. Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:46 am

    I think it’s entirely possible that Bum goes elsewhere with Boch gone. Now, if they Giants hit him with the qualifying offer that will be fucking him AGAIN on another contract since teams will shy away. Not sure that’s the right road to go down but it would probably be best for the team to do that.

    • willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:26 am

      I think (not sure) you said QO would be an insult, to which I agree regardless of who said it. that also would raise possibility no one signs him until draft is over (as happened this year) and Giants get nothing out of it.

      • Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:33 am

        yes, I wasn’t clear, but that’s what i meant.

  12. willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:33 am

    Bum said on F/G that he has altered pitch selection using cutter more and I think this is just him adjusting to what stuff he has these days. Opie got more effectiveness out of his slider this year as I also read on F/G, and he doesn’t throw any harder than Bum these days. These guys are both smart enough with command to last little longer, imo. And they will compete and give you all they have. True pros and fun to watch go about their craft.

    I hold out belated if misguided hope that MLB tweaks ball again back to raised seams and better grips for pitchers and the HR nonsense of past couple years abates, even if only slightly. Bum said he noticed the difference more in taking BP at parks he has hit in for years, how much farther the ball goes.

  13. alleykat69 said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:44 am

    You have to offer Bum the QO it’s a no brainer, if not,it tells him you have no interest in him.He’s the 2nd biggest F/A behind Cole with even a bigger track record.Yeah with Boch gone and his strong ties with him maybe he does move on to Atlanta (closer to home for his country lifestyle) but he’s a proven tough as nails competitor with an attitude the Giants still need..

    • blade3colorado said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:58 am

      Agree unequivocally AK about the QQ . . . Regarding free agency, actually, if you believe the articles I have read, the players ranked ahead of Bumgarner are, in order, Astros ace Gerrit Cole, Nationals third baseman Anthony Rendon and Nationals starter Stephen Strasburg.

  14. wilcojoe said, on September 24, 2019 at 11:03 am

    Loo’s going to lose it when he finds out Bum will be unemployed until June.

    • willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 11:12 am

      Yes exactly. Been to a college game yet?

      • wilcojoe said, on September 24, 2019 at 11:31 am

        Not yet. My wife is trying to get me tickets for the Texas-Baylor game thru her work. As much fun as the college atmosphere is, I still prefer watching football on TV.

  15. willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 11:10 am

    I understand the QO from GIANTS pov, but to me it’s a low blow cheap shot. Zero benefit to bum accepting it and waiting another season to try and get a longer/better offer. Very likely no team will give up the draft pick and he winds up doing ranch work and not pitching til draft is over which won’t help with next deal either.
    Make him a respectable offer and see what happens.

  16. Bozo said, on September 24, 2019 at 11:51 am

    Sign Bum, you could always make him the closer when he can’t go 5 innings anymore. Or, with his home and away splits, let him start home games and close or open the ones on the road. The stat guys would have a field day with that.
    With Posey you could kill two birds with one stone by making him the manager, he knows the staff and at least you get something for his $22 mil. If he “finds” his swing, fine, tag him as a player manager.

  17. gianthead said, on September 24, 2019 at 12:17 pm

    I probably been all over the map on this but any speculation about a Bum contract before this season has been tempered with his so-so performance this season.

    Bottom line is that we all know the team feels they owe him for him signing what would clearly have been a under market team friendly contract. So does 4 years $80 mill make them feel better?

    My guess is still that they will make a run at Cole if he is willing to backload a deal and Maddon as the skipper….this organization likes to make big splashes and statements and Maddon fits that bill.

  18. gianthead said, on September 24, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    I’m still doing spit takes from the weekend about the speculation that Bochy would manage the Padres next season…he would be with all due respect the worst choice to run a largely very young team and very young pitching staff…

    • blade3colorado said, on September 24, 2019 at 1:01 pm

      I don’t think he has the inside track for the job anyway. That being said, don’t short change Bochy on Saber analysis . . . Everything I have read and seen, he is open to and has bent over backwards to accommodate Mr. Z. Moreover, he seems sincerely interested in knowing more about it.

      Regarding the Padres manager position, I think AK’s guy, Eric Chavez has a good shot, as well as Rod Barajas. Mostly because they’ve done well with developing and relating to youngsters (Chavez in the A’s system and Barajas with Triple A clubs, where he has a pair of championships). I also like Josh Bard, who is in his second season as Aaron Boone’s bench coach with the Yankees and played for the Padres from 2006-08 during his 10-year big-league career. He was on the Dodgers coaching staff in 2016.

  19. alleykat69 said, on September 24, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    The days of the old school/ dinosaur managers are over imo.. Most GM’s including Zman are going to go younger with analytics proven backgrounds, in their hires.GM’s in general just want a manager not to get in the way,and screwup things.
    I really see Z interviewing guys like Eric Chavez,Mark Loretta in their 40’s young enough to still relate to players, but have experience in minor leagues to have a track record with..
    The AJ Hinch’sAlex Cora’s managers are the dream finds for GM’s,IMO

  20. zumiee said, on September 24, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    Larry Baer spoke about the coming ballpark modifications. Definitely the bullpens will move. But where? He didn’t say. He did say this:
    “The triple is a spectacularly exciting play and it’s been a signature of the ballpark. I don’t think there’s any desire in our four walls to get rid of it. Whatever 421 (feet) become, if it changes, I think the major thrust of the ballpark will not change in that respect.”

    How about all Giants fans stop calling it Triples Alley. It’s more accurate to call it: “Deep fly out, robbed of a home run” alley. Are there really all that many triples hit there? Certainly not by the slow-footed Giants.

    • zumiee said, on September 24, 2019 at 3:10 pm

      Belt’s shoulders slumped when he heard this quote. 🙂

    • blade3colorado said, on September 24, 2019 at 3:45 pm

      I have been saying since the beginning, that I couldn’t see them changing the dimensions of the ballpark because it’s so beautiful the way it is. I was even compelled at one point to bet Flav . . . Fortunately, him and others said it was inevitable that a redesign was in the works for Triples Alley. I didn’t make that bet (tip of my hat to Flav for being honest about this info he was getting first hand in the Bay Area).

      In any event, it seems that Flav and others are right about the bullpens being moved, but perhaps as I maintained earlier, they will put them in that “beer garden” area in left center; or a hole is dug and they are put underground. I guess it all depends on how much influence/juice Baer still has.

      • blade3colorado said, on September 24, 2019 at 3:47 pm

        . . . In other news, Clinton 2.0 Impeachment Inquiry seems to be a done deal.

        zzzzzz . . .

      • unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:14 pm

        If they go underground they’ll be underwater. They have to go in the garden/triples alley area. Unless they put them in the parking lot behind LF.

      • unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:15 pm

        At least they finally got the stones to do it. Fuck. This is impeachable thing # 85. Doing it closer to the election is better i think.

  21. Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    I’m curious about those Baer comments as they seem directly contrast to what Z had been saying. I guess we’ll see how much juice Baer still has. It’s stupid of him to hold on to this “triples are so great” take. 9/10 times (or more) a fly ball heads out there it just gets caught.

    • snarkk said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:37 pm

      Pillar hits the ball hard and is fast.
      He has two triples this season. Two.
      I dunno if either was at Oracle.
      Triples, shriples. Move in the walls…

  22. Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 5:31 pm

    I like Zum’s idea at 3:09. How about Dinger Dead End?

  23. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    Gumby Shoulders Alley . . .

  24. djloo27 said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    Canyon of Zeroes…

  25. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    About Bum, I wouldn’t be surprised if he and FO already discussed his future with the team during July in the lead-up to the trade deadline when he was adamant about staying. Might already be a done deal, whatever it is. I trust Z’s approach to retool the team, but seriously, who would take Bum’s place? IMO, Cueto is the only *sure thing* for the rotation, and likely not for very long; short of it is, they need Bum. About Baer, the guy shouldn’t even be involved in any decisions about the team anymore. Move him over to deal with the real estate stuff.

  26. Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:46 pm

  27. blade3colorado said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:48 pm

    I looked at Kershaw’s game log since August 31st, when the Snakes pasted him for 5 earned runs and he lasted 5 innings. The next game was against the Giants where we chased him out of the game after 4 innings pitched (99 pitches he threw . . . whoa!) and scored 3 times against him. Next, he went against the Mets and went 6.1 innings, allowing only 2 runs and getting the win. On the 20th, in Los Angeles, the Rockies scored 4 runs against him in 6 innings of work. In all of the aforementioned games, the most SOs he recorded was 6.

    Hmm, I guess he’s “fine tuned” for the Dodgers playoff run again. lqtm.

  28. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:56 pm

    Bumie digging deep in the 1st.

  29. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 6:59 pm

    I’m with Paul. I think they’ve had a deal settled on a few months ago.

  30. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    Yaz Couldn’t advance?

  31. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    Wow. That sounded nice! #7?!? Hahahahahahaha! Bellinger had that in week 1.

  32. Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    Buster bomb!

  33. blade3colorado said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:04 pm

    Fiscal 2017 was the last one, right? I kid, I kid . . . Nice blast by Buster!

  34. Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:04 pm

    He finally got one at home! That’s fucking awesome. Right? Is that awesome?

  35. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    Wow. Robert Hunter dead at 78. That’s a biggie.

    • Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:20 pm

      one of the greatest song writers of my lifetime

    • unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:33 pm

      Gonna have to spin up American Beauty.

  36. djloo27 said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    He hit 7 in 1969…

  37. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    Bum bomb!!!!

  38. Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:32 pm

    MadBomb!

  39. Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:35 pm

    what a send off for Bochy having his two main generals hit bombs in the same game. Very cool

  40. Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:51 pm

    Torre is an ass, I might have to put on the Rox broadcast.

  41. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:55 pm

    Damn. That got him in the knee cap.

    • Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 7:59 pm

      my very first at bat in high school I got hit square in the knee cap. Probably thrown less than the 99.6 mph that just got Hoffman. 🙂 I couldn’t walk for 2 days and had the laces of the ball imprinted on my knee cap for like a week. LOL

  42. Flavor said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    • djloo27 said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:56 pm

      It’s the fuckin’ ball…

  43. willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:20 pm

    I think if you added them up, Story and Arenado have more HRs than entire Giants IF–Sando Craw Longo Panik dubon solano Belt.
    And they are sitting on 67 Ws coming in.

  44. willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm

    Desmond kills us. gotta look this up iirc he did it last year too.

    • willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:37 pm

      4th HR this year off SF pitching.

    • Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 8:38 pm

      Story too, now 6 straight games he’s hit a HR vs. Giants, that’s crazy.

      • willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:36 pm

        yeah doesn’t seem to matter where either. That one off bum was no doubt.

  45. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:07 pm

    Gustave Fring kind of blew up …

  46. alleykat69 said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    Not to shabby a night for Indians Jose Ramirez, 1st game back after fractured hamate bone Aug 26th he hits 2Homeruns,Grandslam, 3 run bomb, in his first 2 AB’s 7RBI’s.One lefthanded, one righthanded..

  47. Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:28 pm

    Longo joins the 20-bomb club.

  48. alleykat69 said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    Glad Longo got that 20th Homer!
    He beat his last year total with TB with that blast, does that mean we won that trade?

    • zumiee said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:01 pm

      No.

  49. willedav said, on September 24, 2019 at 9:35 pm

    Angels up 3-2 on A’s…not good Tampa and Tribe both won tonite.

  50. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:05 pm

    How about Yazz for the win? Long meaningless games at this point must be kind of a drag for everyone…

  51. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:25 pm

    Boch doesn’t send Yaz with Posey up on a 2-2 count? Now he’s swapping pitchers like shit again until someone gets walked home. Happy trails . . .

  52. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:26 pm

    Oh good. Grease up another arm.

  53. Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:36 pm

    Could use a WP right about now.

  54. mrsprtdude said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:37 pm

    walked crawford??? hahahaha

  55. mrsprtdude said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:40 pm

    Rockies apparently i last because they don’t scout. Walked Craw…They must lose now.

  56. mrsprtdude said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:41 pm

    walked the bases loaded and this idiot swings at the 1st pitch ball. Unreal

  57. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:42 pm

    Wow, Gerber with an .043 avg. and .170 OPS? I’m not sure I’ve seen those kind of horrific numbers before. Now watch, he’ll win the game…

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:43 pm

      But of course not…

    • Macdog said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:44 pm

      He didn’t get one strike, and still struck out.

  58. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:44 pm

    Now avg. of .042 and OPS .163. I mean, how is that even possible…

  59. mrsprtdude said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:47 pm

    I just looked him up Why the Fuck is a guy who is 1 for 23 with 14 strikeouts, no runs, no rbi’s on our roster????????? And a less obvious question is why is he hitting with the bases loaded???
    Every time I have some hope for next year I am struck by how little depth we have or how lame our talent evaluation must be. Neither a good feeling:(
    Off to bed. I’m done.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:48 pm

      Not to worry, ‘Dude, I doubt you’ll be seeing him on the team next year….

  60. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:53 pm

    Oh good, Posey’s up.

  61. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:54 pm

    Whoo. Dodged the DP there.

  62. unca_chuck said, on September 24, 2019 at 10:56 pm

    Even with the fences in that was an out.

  63. zumiee said, on September 24, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    The game that never ends.

    • zumiee said, on September 24, 2019 at 11:59 pm

      D-Rod took care of that.

  64. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on September 24, 2019 at 11:59 pm

    Are people actually still there at the ballpark? ………

    • zumiee said, on September 25, 2019 at 12:05 am

      A small remnant.

  65. zumiee said, on September 25, 2019 at 12:15 am

    Commissioner’s nightmare game. 6 hours long, and used 25 total pitchers.

  66. unca_chuck said, on September 25, 2019 at 7:48 am

    Did we win?


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