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Imprisoned By Millions of Dollars

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 7, 2019

Straight up stealing this list from mlbtr.com: Here are the 10 players who received QO’s.

Screenshot 2019-11-07 at 5.44.53 AM

Again, if nobody thought enough of Bumgarner to offer up a decent player for him at the break I’m not too sure I understand the logic that they’ll now want to give him 100 million AND give up a draft pick. But whatever, maybe I just don’t understand this process.

Everyone seems to think Will Smith will take the QO because he’s never seen that kind of dough before and for one year he’d be the highest paid reliever in baseball….

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  1. willedav said, on November 7, 2019 at 7:24 am

    mm Bum was only gonna be a couple month rental. So teams had to give up prospects Z wanted and would not have any control. Here they give up one pick after second round and sign him to how ever many years they care to. the way GMs value picks nowadays, see how this plays out.

    MLBTR in their poll of FAs had Giants getting Ozuna and being in on Corey Dickerson too. Both can hit with power and improve the team. That’s all I care about, not giving up a pick in Ozuna’s case nor how much $$$ it takes. It’s about improving the quality of your team and I can see Ozuna at 29 being productive hitter for few more years.

    • Flavor said, on November 7, 2019 at 7:54 am

      it’s a pick following round 1, not round 2. It’s essentially a first round pick. And I would think that if I was a GM of a team in contention a 2 month rental would be the most important time to have that player….

      • willedav said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:10 am

        Way things turned out I’m sure there are playoff teams scratching their heads over not acquiring more pitching at deadline. Teams that hit all the bombs went nowhere (Twins Yanks Dodgers) and those with best SPs wound up going to 7 games in WS.
        If I misread the QO rules, thx for correction. Doesn’t change my feelings about making offer to Ozuna though.

  2. chipower9 said, on November 7, 2019 at 7:56 am

    I agree with WillieD. I think the reason there were not a lot of suitors for Bum was that he would have been a rental for a couple of months, only, and teams just thought the cost (prospects sought by Z) were not worth the benefit of that rental. We’ll never know, but I would be surprised if this was not the case.

    With the money coming off in the next couple of years (Shark after next year and Longoria after ’21 (collectively about 34 million), I am OK with the team bringing back Bum for three years. Without Bum, the only proven starters are Cueto and Smardj. Bum could be that bridge after Smardj is gone next year, and until the young guys are more battle proven.

    I know bringing Bum back is not popular with some of you, but for three years (no longer), at say 56-60 mil, I would be OK with that.

    • djloo27 said, on November 7, 2019 at 11:02 am

      Bum’s gonna get 9 figures from Atlanta…

      • unca_chuck said, on November 7, 2019 at 11:51 am

        If we pay Atl a billion more, maybe they’ll take Posey.

      • chipower9 said, on November 7, 2019 at 12:39 pm

        Possibility. And if he does, good for him. But if I was Z, and trying to retain him, 18-20 per year, three years max. If he can do better, giddy-up.

    • gianthead said, on November 7, 2019 at 12:44 pm

      Sorry Chia, we have three more years of Longoria pooping on deck ahead of us…just 2 years of Belt Crawfish and Poseidon Posey…I still firmly think they can add 2 hitters and 2 pitchers this cycle, of course I was not expecting Will Smith to be back…

      • chipower9 said, on November 8, 2019 at 10:24 am

        Correct. Fat fingers…Longo is signed for the next THREE years…through 2022 (15, 18.5, and 19.5) Club option in 2023 at 13m (5 mil buyout).

  3. blade3colorado said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:04 am

    We have so many issues, that one player will not help us long term. Sort of like some dude in a boat that’s leaking and he has a bucket bailing out water. Our problems relate to a poor farm system that isn’t elevating players on a regular basis ala the Bums, Braves, A’s. We use to be that way, but no longer. So, throwing money at the problem (signing a big time free agent) isn’t going to get us anywhere fast.

    Additionally, Flavor’s right regarding a team in contention signing a “rental.” Ask the Braves (front line pitcher, Dodgers (closer or elite reliever), and Yankees (front line pitcher) that question.

  4. unca_chuck said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:06 am

    Certainly GMs see teams like Houston sucking for a few years and getting high draft picks and then start winning world series’s’s’s. Draft picks, although a huge crapshoot in baseball, are still the way to build a team. All this process shows is teams aren’t throwing them away (hello, Michael Tucker) like they used to.

  5. unca_chuck said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:08 am

    Of course if you ask the Dodger,Yankees, or Braves if they could have used Bummie in the playoffs, they’d prolly give you a different answer than they did last July.

  6. willedav said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:30 am

    “We have so many issues…” yes agreed and one move isn’t going to get Giants to 93 Ws and into WC of itself. But acquiring more talent and better players by trade and FA does improve the team and gets them closer to that goal of contention. Giants need more power and depth on offense as we all know for everyday LU and SPs/pen help if they lose both Bum and Smith. And lot of help to IF beyond Dubon and Solano.

    the NL, where once again the WC won the WS, is a wide open league. Nats didn’t win near as many games as Dodgers did but they got in and rest is history Part of problem for SF is I think the teams on outside of playoff bubble, like Cubs Mets Phils AZ Reds, are going to be trying to improve their team and their chances this offseason. So to me it behooves Z to do the same and get rid of whatever dead weight he can and add in better (not just younger and cheaper) replacement pieces.
    Which will also solve attendance issues–put better more talented product on the field, fans will show up.

  7. Bozo said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:37 am

    A $13 million and change raise for the lefty? Not bad. If I’m Smith I’d take that in a second and I’d retire when the year was over. But then, I’m a lazy bastard.

  8. Flavor said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:58 am

    you guys see the tweet pic Dirt posted at the end of last night’s thread? Fucking such bullshit.

    • willedav said, on November 7, 2019 at 9:17 am

      yes, unfortunate.
      Flav I do believe the CBA changed a year ago and Giants pick re: QO would be after comp balance round B, before 3rd round of draft.
      Cue Mac with facts!

      • Flavor said, on November 7, 2019 at 11:07 am

        haven’t looked it up but I vaguely recall a change so if you guys say that’s what it is now so be it

  9. alleykat69 said, on November 7, 2019 at 10:15 am

    Not going to land any big league sluggers if they keep that stupid 421 ft 25 ft tall triples alley, largest dimension in baseball.Players want to feel like they can compete in a fair ballpark,not one that knocks down balls at night from the dense marine layers are day games when the wind blows in.
    If they bring triples alley in to around 380 ft, with the BP’s behind it, seems to me to make the park more competitive to all, even potential F/A signings like sluggers then only attracting pitchers..

  10. Flavor said, on November 7, 2019 at 11:08 am

    I’m really surprised Baer still has any leverage at all after his suspension and the fact that literally everyone else wants to move the fences in.

  11. unca_chuck said, on November 7, 2019 at 11:56 am

    Well, they just started the work. They have to start somewhere, and removing the bleachers is the first step. They can keep the brick wall and put the pens in front of it.

  12. alleykat69 said, on November 7, 2019 at 11:56 am

    Me too.
    They need to cut ties with Larry and move in a different direction.Unfortunately theirs too many chiefs and not enough Indians in this organization.
    I wonder if Z( unless he gets more power) will eventually get frustrated and walk away from this mess..

  13. zumiee said, on November 7, 2019 at 12:05 pm

    Baer called triples “the most exciting play in baseball,” which is arguable; but even if it is, the Giants hit a whole 26 triples in 2019, which means a Giant hit one about every 6 games.

    • zumiee said, on November 7, 2019 at 12:07 pm

      And even if the Giants hit every one of their triples at the home ballpark, that’s only a Giant hitting one about every 3 games.

  14. willedav said, on November 7, 2019 at 12:32 pm

    Giants 26 triples Zum mentioned were only good for 7th in NL. giants of course were well down the line for most offensive stats in NL, 14th in runs 13th HRs 14th for BA OB Slg OPS.
    Pillar did have 3 of the triples, along with Dick Slater Yaz and Belt.
    Best offensive category last year was doubles, 300 which ranked 5th in NL.
    Pillar led again with 37, Belt had 32 Vogt 24 in half as many ABs, 255.
    Sure hope Giants make Vogt an offer he can’t refuse.

  15. gianthead said, on November 7, 2019 at 12:46 pm

    Just got back from a first trip ever to St. LOUIS…what an industrial wasteland that part of downtown is. We stayed on one side of Busch Stadium and went to a jazz club on the other side of the stadium, maybe 3 blocks walking and everyone told us not dare walk those 3 blocks…sorry Daniel…

    • blade3colorado said, on November 7, 2019 at 2:38 pm

      Peter, you were actually in the good part of town, sans the suburbs. However, East St. Louis (specifically) is a war zone. Their homicide rate is 20 times the national average. It’s more than twice the rate in Gary, Ind., Detroit and St. Louis. It’s even higher than Iraq. I remember being 20 years old, just out of Air Force tech school at Chanute AFB, Rantoul, Illinois and having to take a Greyhound to St. Louis. My buddy and I thought that was the worse part of the trip. Uhh uhh. We had to take a midnight city bus (last bus) to Scott AFB, which is located about 17 miles east-southeast of downtown St. Louis. Scariest 17 miles I have ever taken. A hellhole.

      I would imagine that the good people of East St. Louis — the vast majority of them — keep their heads down and pray for a miracle. That’s how bad it is.

  16. djloo27 said, on November 7, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    A happy memory for Big Flavor:


    • Flavor said, on November 7, 2019 at 7:42 pm

      thanks Loo, I needed this. It’s been a very long day. What a race that 2009 BC was…..

  17. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 7, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    Kinda looking forward to starting to see Z’s moves, but it’s going to be a long off-season. I would think first things first: new GM and new manager would make sense before player moves. That might depend on how big a control freak Z Man is. He sure didn’t do much last off-season, I expect a helluva lot more this time.

  18. unca_chuck said, on November 7, 2019 at 7:47 pm

    How many Petes we got here?

  19. zumiee said, on November 7, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    “Authorities say a Hot Springs, Arkansas, man was arrested on a second-degree murder charge after he allegedly pushed his brother out of a moving vehicle, causing his death.
    An affidavit says 57-year-old Richard Dean Ammons was arrested for the death of his brother, Johnnie Ammons. The affidavit says Johnnie Ammons told police before his death that they two had been “arguing over corn dogs” before he was pushed from a Jeep.””

    • unca_chuck said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:06 pm

      Are you sure it wasn’t Donnie Jr and Eric?

    • alleykat69 said, on November 7, 2019 at 8:43 pm

      That can only happen in Arkansas!
      So he corn holes his brother out the Jeep door over the quality of a corn dog?Johnnie was probably wolfing down an extra dog thinking Dick wouldn’t notice that and got busted..

  20. willedav said, on November 8, 2019 at 7:15 am

    Front page of yesterday’s Chron:
    “Visa plans to more than double the size of its SF HQ with a move to near Giants SF ballpark. On Tuesday, the payment company signed a lease for an entire 300,00 square foot 13 story office tower planned at the Giants Mission Rock waterfront project…”

    Um, don’t tell me they don’t have the money to handle contracts, even current bad ones. The yard is paid off, last year they had slew of young underpaid guys and appear to have dumped not only $30 mil worth of Poms Panik Holland dyson and Melancon but maybe Bum and Smith too.

    • blade3colorado said, on November 8, 2019 at 7:39 am

      “Um, don’t tell me they don’t have the money to handle contracts, even current bad ones.”

      Whom has ever said that? In effect, Charles Johnson, et. al., are billionaires because they’re usually not foolish with their money – not because they can’t afford something.

      • willedav said, on November 8, 2019 at 7:58 am

        Complaints about bad contracts hamstringing the Giants and dooming then to suckitude is wrong, imo. It’s NOT the money, it’s lack of talent on roster. They can spend as much as they care to, or not, to fix that.

  21. Bozo said, on November 8, 2019 at 7:40 am

    So I was thinking, if the Braves do make a run at Bum (or even if they don’t I guess), they sure could use a catcher who would be good with their young staff and/or Bum. Plus having a whole buncha money, Posey’s $40 mil for 2 years wouldn’t be that hard for them to swallow, not to mention Posey would probably wave his no trade to be at home.
    And then, I started overthinking. If Josh Donaldson got pissed at Mrs Zumiee’s team for dropping the QO on him and he signed someplace else, well they’d need a 3rd baseman…did I mention the Braves are way under the cap in 2020?

    Continuing this thinking malady I’m having this AM, the Braves dropping the QO on Josh Donaldson is a great example of how one sided the QO rule is. The guy made $23 mil last year on a 1 year contract and after having a great year gets tagged with the QO ($18 mil). I assume he’ll opt for free agency (if he hasn’t already), but the teams he talks to are limited because of the penalty of losing a draft pick and yet the Braves can continue to negotiate with him without any penalty. I think a change should be made, maybe a player has to be with a team for 10 years before they can drop a QO on him, or how about the original team loses a draft pick if they resign their QO playe

    • willedav said, on November 8, 2019 at 8:04 am

      unfortunate but players backed themselves into a hole on this and few other issues. And can’t do much about til current deal expires, which I think isn’t for at least another season or two. Seems the QO and FA contract stuff has less affect on upper end guys (Donaldson will get paid and signed by somebody) than the more fringy vets or middle class of FAs. these guys are getting phased out and passed over for cheaper market young kids being paid ML equivalent of minimum wage.

  22. chipower9 said, on November 8, 2019 at 10:28 am

    Happy Birthday, Zumiee! Hope your day is awesome, Evan!

  23. blade3colorado said, on November 8, 2019 at 11:11 am

    Happy birthday Evan. Enjoy!

  24. alleykat69 said, on November 8, 2019 at 11:22 am

    Happy Birthday Zumie Head of BB Operations!!
    Guess the BB can also stand for Birthday Bash today enjoy!!🎉🍻🥃👏🍾🥂🍹🍸🎊🎈🎁🎂🍰

  25. unca_chuck said, on November 8, 2019 at 11:26 am

    Yeah, the CBA ends after the 2021 season and there are already a lot grumbles coming from the players side that they will go on strike. The whole tanking for draft picks and tons of players entering last season without jobs being the biggest issues.

  26. gianthead said, on November 8, 2019 at 11:36 am

    No one has ever proven that Charles Johnson is really the owner in charge of daily operations. I think he along with the others in the ownership group are fine if they have payroll near the luxury tax if it made sense. They were there at the line for all the playoff runs and once Magowan was no longer the managing partner. Ownership spent during those years.

    Farhan has been bred in Moneyball and that is what he will continue to bring to the table but I firmly doubt there is any ownership limitation on what is spent as long as it is stable and under the luxury tax for the foreseeable future. As I have argued, they could spend on 2 starters and 2 proven hitters on practical contract terms and not be in a financial box and things will keep getting even more financially flexible as these other contracts start coming off the books…

    • chipower9 said, on November 8, 2019 at 2:01 pm

      Charles Johnson is not in charge of daily operations. He is not a “meddling” owner. He is one of the more hands-off owners (you never see or hear about him), even though he is the richest.

      But you can bet your ass that when it comes to spending money, he is aware and has a say. I think you could paint it this way: Charles Johnson says jump, and Larry Baer (insert name here) say “how high?”

  27. zumiee said, on November 8, 2019 at 11:55 am

    Thanks for the birthday wishes!
    I was born on the day John Kennedy was elected president, and I’ve always felt good about that. 🙂
    56 years later, Trump was elected on that date. (no comment)

  28. zumiee said, on November 8, 2019 at 11:57 am

    Watching the Celtics play last night, it seems like there’s a lot of talent on that team. I don’t know if that means they’ll do much in the playoffs, but they look to be able to do some damage in the regular season.

  29. unca_chuck said, on November 8, 2019 at 1:21 pm

    HBD, Zumie!!

  30. snarkk said, on November 8, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    Feliz Cumpleanos, zum! …

  31. willedav said, on November 8, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    And the kings send b-day congrats to Zum with a road W over ATL.
    95.7 guys were dissing him the other morning but I like DeAngelo Russell. He can shoot and create for himself and knock down mid range Js, and is willing passer. He’s lighting up TWolves tonite as GS hanging in there late 3rd.

  32. willedav said, on November 8, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    Zum, you played at lot higher level than I ever did. The Celts last couple years just seem like a not well coached team that should be lot better than they are. I’m watching TWolves and they continue to launch 3s after going through a stretch where they missed 14 shots out of 15 and they are now 5-27 from 3. When they attack hoop it seems they can get wherever they want. plus Warriors are not good rebounding team defensively.
    Just seems like dumb b-ball to keep launching away from perimeter and not be patient enough to get good shot/ make defense work.

    • zumiee said, on November 8, 2019 at 9:11 pm

      I share your reservations about the Celtics. It looks like playground ball sometimes, but they do seem to be building some team chemistry together. They look like they genuinely like playing with each other, and sharing the ball. We’ll see how that holds up. The Warriors, in winning their championships, were so willing to share the ball, which is great. The Laker and Celtic teams of Magic and Bird shared the ball well. Highly talented teams aren’t always unselfish, though.

  33. zumiee said, on November 8, 2019 at 9:22 pm

    Again, thanks for the birthday wishes. Flappers are the greatest!
    This site is the coolest!

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