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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 15, 2019

So how long should Myles Garrett be suspended for? It has to be the rest of the year. The entire Cleveland team plays like a bunch of undisciplined criminals. I hope the league sends a message that there must be at least some respect for rules shown on the field.

I’ve worked myself into some kind of hazy fantasy froth that Z-arris is going to be able to get rid of some of the rotten core and add some pieces we can use in 2020. If he could hookwink the Braves into taking Melancon he can do literally anything. So while 2020 appears on paper NOW to look like 90 losses I’m going to remain positive this off season.

 

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  1. willedav said, on November 15, 2019 at 7:12 am

    Belt and Craw should be easiest to replace, more important than just dumping guys. There are plenty of 2b out there and 1b too with some power that might play better at the O than Craw and Belt. They already have Dubon and solano. those 2 won’t hit many bombs but can play either middle IF and hit/run.

    The Melancon deal was great but getting other teams to take 2 yrs of Craw/Belt is altogether different and likely involves Giants sending $$$ back. Funny that after couple months of Melancon Braves raid SF for Smith, whom they maybe could have had all along at deadline.

  2. willedav said, on November 15, 2019 at 7:18 am

    Z has to convince Baer etc. this is the right move for the team and makes them better going forward. Sending back some pct of what Belt and Craw are owed still saves team $$ in long run. These two will cost SF $15 mil-ish each per 2 more seasons—send back some of it to increase value of return from an interested team/save the rest.

    • Flavor said, on November 15, 2019 at 7:28 am

      Totally agree. You have to think deep down Z would pay all the salary just to unclog the dead weight they’re stuffing down the drain

  3. willedav said, on November 15, 2019 at 7:23 am

    Seton Hall reps Jersey quite well. Myles Powell is tremendous player. TNT had Nets game vs. Denver, and Barkley at halftime kept calling them “New Jersey” and as halftime ended they were goofing on him with comments from viewers. “how much do these guys get paid?”

    • Macdog said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:55 am

      I watched that game, yeah, Powell is a special player, hard to stop even coming off an ankle injury. Nice late rally by Sparty to spoil the Pirates’ party. And Barkley, I heard about that, maybe he hasn’t gotten over his spitting incident at the Meadowlands in the early 90s.

  4. unca_chuck said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:04 am

    They can trade Belt by eating some $$$. Cut Crawford. If they do that before April 1, we have a chance to improve.

  5. unca_chuck said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:05 am

    If Longo plays well, he could be traded by the deadline.

    • Macdog said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:12 am

      Still 3Y/$53.5M left for Longo, minus $9M paid by Rays, that might be tough to move.

      • chipower9 said, on November 15, 2019 at 9:36 am

        Agree, Mac.

      • unca_chuck said, on November 15, 2019 at 11:46 am

        Well, yeah, we’d be eating acres of grass. But that is necessary to move on.I guess we will find who is controlling the team. The purse-stringers or the baseball people.

  6. willedav said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:19 am

    More I look at them I think Cards serve as potential role model of team. They were12th in bombs last year with 210 but 6 different guys hit btw 10-12 of them.
    However they were 2nd in ERA, and also second best in runs hits and bombs allowed 191. And the run differential was plus 100, resulting in 91 Ws and NL Central title.
    Sure beating LA ain’t gonna happen but 90-ish wins gets you in WC hunt.

    So Z really has to focus on improving quality of pitching as other part of run differential to get it nearer where Cards are right now. No way Giants should be in bottom half of runs allowed and ERA and bombs given up based on the home yard. They have to cut into run differential on pitching side in order to get closer to contention. Z’s already lost his closer (and btw Cards saved 52 last year tops in league) and I guess will lose Bum and his 200 innings so lot of work to do on this side of equation.

  7. alleykat69 said, on November 15, 2019 at 9:27 am

    League has suspended Garrett for rest of the year/ playoffs as well( doubtful they ma

  8. alleykat69 said, on November 15, 2019 at 9:34 am

    make those under a doofus coach (Kitchens) to me it should be lifetime but I know the league won’t do that for a star player.Garrett made Burfit look like a choir boy in comparison, and he’s gone for the year and maybe forever.I believe Garrett led last season in fines so he definitely has a loose screw and will never shake this image now of a dirty player..

  9. chipower9 said, on November 15, 2019 at 9:44 am

    When the Browns went up 21-7, I knew the game was over and shut her down. Did not see or hear about Garrett’s shenanigans until this morning (mentioned on KNBR) and then saw it when I got into the office.

    Suspension for the rest of the year is appropriate, AT THE MINIMUM, IMO. Clowns like Garrett and Burfict don’t have a place in the game, IMO. I would suspend them for life. Fuck that shit. Swinging a fucking helmet at a dude’s head who has no helmet on? WTF….

    • gianthead said, on November 15, 2019 at 10:50 am

      Looks like a hate crime to me….🤯

  10. chipower9 said, on November 15, 2019 at 9:56 am

    Thanks to Mr. Kokonuts for his twitter link on the Say Hey Kid. Great stuff. I agree with Blade. Best. Player. Ever.

    I was out moving some things around on my work bench last night while watching the football game, and sitting there next to the service manual for my scoot was Pawlie’s “Chasing Willie Mays.” Love that book! Thanks again for the twitter link, Pawlie. Safe travels out there my friend.

    Also, thanks to Blade for the link to the article on Z. Good read.

  11. Flavor said, on November 15, 2019 at 10:11 am

    It’s not just Garrett—all those guys on the Cle defense play like fucking hoodlums

  12. chipower9 said, on November 15, 2019 at 10:14 am

    To clarify Kat’s earlier post on this…Garrett has been suspended “Indefinitely,” but for the rest of the year/playoffs, without pay, at a minimum.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001076995/article/browns-de-myles-garrett-suspended-indefinitely

  13. gianthead said, on November 15, 2019 at 11:02 am

    Well I had Will Smith going to the Braves in the MLb Trade Rumours Pool but didnt expect Odorizzi, Wainwright or Abreau to stay with their teams. I also have Bum Braves bound…

  14. alleykat69 said, on November 15, 2019 at 11:26 am

    I thought Baker Mayfield handled the situation well when interviewed by Erin Andrews after the game, calling out Garrett basically saying theirs no way this is exceptable and now hurting the team more going forward due to a stupid act..
    Many NFL players tweeted in they were horrified of what they watched and their’s no defense for his action but suspension..
    The kicker is Garrett showed no remorse just saying a wins a win?WTF and yeah l loss my cool! You think?

  15. zumiee said, on November 15, 2019 at 11:40 am

    I thought it was terrible, but a little bit humorous. After he gets hit in the head, the guy just throws his hands up, like “You all saw that, right?” Yeah, it’s on national TV, we all saw it. You got hit in the head with your own helmet. You’re probably already an internet meme, like the woman yelling at the cat.

    • chipower9 said, on November 15, 2019 at 12:20 pm

      I almost always respect your opinion, Zume, but I saw nothing humorous in that situation last night. Football is a dangerous game under normal circumstances when the players have all of their gear on, etc.

      That whole helmet to the head thing could have ended much differently. Probably the worst I have seen in the 50+ years of watching NFL football.

  16. alleykat69 said, on November 15, 2019 at 11:48 am

    If that helmet Garrett swung hit Rudolph in the temple they might be preparing funeral arrangements right now…

  17. unca_chuck said, on November 15, 2019 at 12:05 pm

    Seeing as he very well could have had a cracked skull, if not worse, he lucked out. He was looking for a flag at that point. And he gets blindsided after that, to boot. That guy (Ogunjobi), was suspended a game. Pouncey got 3 games for his kicking Garrett.

    • alleykat69 said, on November 15, 2019 at 1:04 pm

      Yeah that was bush league on Ogunjobi, Rudolph was all ready being used as a human piñata and he finally gets out of the way and Ogunjobi shoved him back to the ground taunting him more!
      Pouncey gets 3 games for throwing haymakers and then kicking Garrett on his helmet protecting his QB, not saying that’s justified but at that point Garrett was so out of control I can see that easily happening..
      Both organizations fined 250,000 and Rudolph though not going to miss any games will have a lot lighter wallet as well with a big fine coming.
      Just another black eye the NFL surely didn’t need!

  18. djloo27 said, on November 15, 2019 at 3:10 pm

    How does it stack up against Marichal-Roseboro?

    • alleykat69 said, on November 15, 2019 at 5:05 pm

      For pure bloodiness Marichal/Roseboro is still tough to beat.Roseboro was beat to a pulp, blood streaming down his face, I’m giving a bat easily an edge over a helmet..

  19. unca_chuck said, on November 15, 2019 at 3:26 pm

    I’d say it’s pretty comparable as they both used the available equipment as a weapon to do harm. Of course this will be seen as a bigger deal as it is now.

  20. zumiee said, on November 15, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    After the QB’s helmet is pulled off, he jumps into the fray. Not a great move.

    The sport is insanely violent. This incident just stuck the violence right in our faces.

    I stood on the sideline of a high school game several years ago and was disturbed by how violent even a high school game is.
    I didn’t play high school football. I’m pretty sure I’d have gotten broken in half.

  21. zumiee said, on November 15, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    “Roseboro was beat to a pulp”

    I think Marichal probably hit him once and opened a head cut, which bleed profusely.

    • djloo27 said, on November 15, 2019 at 7:30 pm

      I think it was 2 stitches to the scalp, which bleeds profusely.
      That’s why wrestlers used to intentionally cut themselves in that spot…

  22. zumiee said, on November 15, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    The punch to Tomjanovich’s face was incredibly devastating. The NBA is still haunted by that blow.

    • alleykat69 said, on November 15, 2019 at 7:13 pm

      Yeah it broke RudyT’s jaw as he ran right into a haymaker! Forget the players name ? Kermit Washington??

      • djloo27 said, on November 15, 2019 at 7:26 pm

        Yes. Fortunately he went on to a lucrative second career…

  23. Flavor said, on November 15, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    lol, tweet of the day

  24. mrsprtdude said, on November 15, 2019 at 7:48 pm

    My retired baseball expert guy says he read Smith was signed to be the setup guy, and that melanson is still the closer!

  25. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    I really thought Bum would re-sign with the Giants. Now looking doubtful. Smith gone now too. That fucking exciting month of July baseball in SF kinda fucked things up when Bum and Smith weren’t traded. As discussed, we don’t know what offers there were, but it’s now looking like “standing pat” because of a good month might have hurt the team. Just gives Z-Harris more to do this winter.

    • djloo27 said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:10 pm

      Our present roster is a pile of garbage.
      But with 3 unfathomable titles, I’m good forever.
      I only complain because there’s a place to do so…

  26. mrsprtdude said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:08 pm

    Because of his history i will always understand why we kept Bum. Smith on the other hand is a big big fail. Trading away 4 relievers gutted the bullpen, and they should have known that we didn’t have a chance once we did that. Would we have rec’d more than a 2nd round pick for Smith? ya think??

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 15, 2019 at 8:10 pm

      Yes, and I for one was not in favor of trading Bum, for a bunch of reasons. Smith, not so much.

  27. zumiee said, on November 15, 2019 at 10:31 pm

    Theodore Roosevelt had a son named Kermit who died flying a warplane in WWI.
    Kermit the Frog pretty much killed the name Kermit.

  28. alleykat69 said, on November 16, 2019 at 12:16 am

    Herman Hermits and the Kermit anyone?

  29. willedav said, on November 16, 2019 at 7:09 am

    Kermit Alexander was really good Niners DB out of UCLA. And iirc guy who ended Gale Sayers career.
    Much props to 8-2 San Diego St for 17-7 W over Fresno as their QB throws for 300 yds and they shutout @$%&! Bulldogs after early TD. Hope Jose St can do the same. Fleming was doing the game, he does good job and is OK at college b-ball too.

  30. unca_chuck said, on November 16, 2019 at 8:08 am

    Alexander was a great punt returner as well. Hated it when he went to the Rams.

    • willedav said, on November 16, 2019 at 8:30 am

      yeah cool player, plus he spent years on other side of field at corner from Jimmy Johnson, one of best coverage guys I ever saw.

  31. willedav said, on November 16, 2019 at 8:14 am

    F/G has column re: HOF vets guys on Dave Parker, one of my fav players ever. They have video of ’79 AS games where he threw out Jim Rice at 3b after losing ball in lights and then gunned down Brian Downing at plate on the fly from deep RF. Meteoric rise in ;70s, tremendous player and menacing hitter, maybe forever relegated to Hall of Very Good. Still that AS footage is just electric.

  32. unca_chuck said, on November 16, 2019 at 8:56 am

    I still think Bummie stays.

    • Flavor said, on November 16, 2019 at 9:54 am

      Why? Unless people were underestimating his relationship with boch? Why would he want to stay when he can go elsewhere closer to home? ……I watched that Garrett video a few more times. Not excusing him but the QB was the first one to try to rip off HIS helmet, he failed and that’s when Garrett ripped his off (successfully). Then Rudolph comes at him so he hit him in the head with his helmet. Lol. Rudolph should get a punishment too IMO

      • zumiee said, on November 16, 2019 at 10:26 am

        Yes, the QB isn’t pure as driven snow in this altercation.

  33. alleykat69 said, on November 16, 2019 at 9:55 am

    I don’t think Bumgarner is coming back at all. Kapler’s signing sealed his fate.A guy that pulls his opening day pitcher Aaron Nola after 5.1 innings of 3 hit ball and only 68 pitches has a screw loose.If he did that to Bum there might have been a brawl, just don’t think Kapler&Bum is a good match..
    Bum is going to stay in NL cause he wants to swing the bat( no argument from me) so I have choosing between 2 teams, Atlanta to be close to his roots back home and their a sure contender, are possibly San Diego with an abundance of talent but could use a pitcher of Bum’s experience to anchor a good pitching staff..

    • Flavor said, on November 16, 2019 at 10:03 am

      Very reasonable take. Clearly skink hasn’t kicked in yet lqtm

  34. alleykat69 said, on November 16, 2019 at 10:27 am

    An early morning Bloody Mary is not out of the realm right now haha 😆
    So I might be wrong but with the Smith signing do the Giants get the Braves 2nd rd comp pick are 3rd?
    I thought 2nd? Somewhere between 60-80?

    • djloo27 said, on November 16, 2019 at 11:13 am

      No two bartenders make a Bloody Mary exactly the same way.
      I gotta get back into them.
      I practically lived on ’em in the ’90’s…

  35. alleykat69 said, on November 16, 2019 at 11:04 am

    Saban can sure be stupid at times.
    Their up 35-7 in a blowout against Miss St with a couple minutes left and Saban keeps Tua in for a 2 minute practice drill while the backup was ready to go, sure enough Tua gets slammed by 2 players and bloodies his nose and injures his hip! Brainfart decision leaving him in..

    • Flavor said, on November 16, 2019 at 1:17 pm

      major fuck up. He’s been air lifted to a hospital, they saying that hip injury could be career ending

  36. djloo27 said, on November 16, 2019 at 12:09 pm

    Funny or sad? (from today’s NY Post)

    Giants defensive back Jabrill Peppers, a three-year full scholarship enrollee at academically demanding Michigan, after the Giants’ loss to the Jets: “I ain’t really care about how ya’ll feel or how nobody feel.”

    • alleykat69 said, on November 16, 2019 at 1:11 pm

      Harbaugh probably said if you can spell out dockers once right,you ain’t have to go to class..

  37. snarkk said, on November 16, 2019 at 2:13 pm

    No news that a ton these kids playing Div I football have no business other than Sat afternoons being in college. That’s why they should be paid and have the ability to profit from their personal likeness and fame while they are there. Most won’t make it to the NFL, so when they’re done with eligibility, what do they do then? No education, maybe a half broken body, and no $ for their trouble, while guys like Saban and Harbaugh bank the gold…

  38. zumiee said, on November 16, 2019 at 2:23 pm

    It’s sad. It’s even worse with the one-and-done guys that go to the NBA. Those “student-athletes” don’t even have to finish their second semester, once basketball season is over. It’s a gigantic farce.
    Pay the college players. I agree with Snarkk.

  39. alleykat69 said, on November 16, 2019 at 3:07 pm

    Looks like for sure Tua’s football career is in serious doubt.Hip dislocation, fracture of posterior joint.
    All could of been avoided if Saban pulled him up 35 -7 with like 3 minutes left in the half.Saban:We wanted to work on the 2 min drill? WTF ? Why would he Tua need that for? And really coming off an ankle injury why play him at all this week except for Saban’s delusional thoughts they were still be chosen for the BCS playoffs! Good job Saban,your greed with this program probably cost this kid a NFL career..

  40. mrsprtdude said, on November 16, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    From a tweet by aaron suttles..Breaking News: Tua Tagovailoa is out for the season with a dislocated hip with a posterior wall fracture, a person with knowledge of the situation tells me.

    From Me….This is a horrible injury usually associated with car accidents. A fracture dislocation will definitely require surgery, and is a life changing injury. He is young, and gifted physically so no way to know for sure, but running / jogging after this injury will be hard. NFL? A serious long shot.
    Very very sad

  41. snarkk said, on November 16, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    Hopefully this kid from Alabama had taken out some insurance for just such an occurrence. Prospctive top draft picks often do that. Saban should be appropriately pilloried.
    Thing is, kids in football get injured seriously all the time, most of whom are not this famous. They’re football careers are over, and they may have lifelong physical repercussions. Yet, no pay to play under the NCAA. State laws like the recent CA law have forced NCAA kicking and screaming to recognize the kids’ right to profit from their own work for sports programs that make millions. The NCAA says its working on it’s own rules to allow this, which will take over a year. Bet on rules that are restrictive, which will generate player and/or state lawsuits. It’s outrageous…

  42. zumiee said, on November 16, 2019 at 3:25 pm

    High school football kills a few players every year.

  43. zumiee said, on November 16, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    Kap gets an NFL workout today. All teams invited. We’ll see if any NFL team has the courage to sign him.

    • zumiee said, on November 16, 2019 at 3:33 pm

      I’m doubtful. Hatred of Kap is strong amongst Trumpsters.
      Ironically, Trump is the biggest traitor in the nation.

      • Flavor said, on November 16, 2019 at 3:59 pm

        scouts said his arm strength still looked elite.

      • djloo27 said, on November 16, 2019 at 4:04 pm

        Did they play the National Anthem before the workout?

      • Flavor said, on November 16, 2019 at 5:00 pm

        lol. Maybe they started playing it and that’s why he abruptly moved the work out to another location……

  44. alleykat69 said, on November 16, 2019 at 3:49 pm

    Didn’t this hip dislocated hip/fracture end Bo Jackson’s career?

  45. Flavor said, on November 16, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    this is why the hire is such a big deal. Z has a lot of risk here

  46. willedav said, on November 16, 2019 at 5:33 pm

    yes Killion was all over him. And I’m sure will stay there, fwiw. blogger reaction on sfchron site decidedly against her take btw.
    Rutgers holds Ohio St. to 56 and covers. Okla getting rolled early 21-3 by undefeated Baylor Bears. Wonder if wilco went that should be high scoring fun game. Speaking of which Stanford gives up 600 yds and 49 points to Wazzu. Not good.

  47. alleykat69 said, on November 16, 2019 at 6:10 pm

    I did get a chuckle 🤭 out of the headlines of Cody Bellinger winning the NL MVP..
    Yeah he also hit .219 0 RBI’s in the nlds
    Leave it to the Dodgers to always find a way of “CHOKING THE ROOSTER 🐓 “

  48. snarkk said, on November 16, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    If Kapler turns into a winner with the Giants, this all gets forgotten.
    Here’s his description of what happened; IDK if there were later reports contesting this view of things:
    https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/02/02/phillies-gabe-kapler-refutes-sexual-assault-mishandling-report-dodgers

    This has already been vetted through 4+ years of time, and 2 different organizations that hired him after the incident, namely, the Phills and Giants.
    Kapler probably should have reported the incident to the cops, but he didn’t. However, he said nobody told him about a sexual assault allegation until after his initial handling of it, at which time he reported up the chain to Dodger top management for their handling. Ultimately, no charges were filed. On the surface of what I’ve read, I don’t see that what he did disqualifies him from baseball management, it didn’t from the Phills’ perspective and their due diligence. If he’s lying about he did not try to hide a sexual assault allegation, that’s a different story; but I would assume if he lied that would have been found out by now and by two organizations post-LA.

    If Kapler washes out as Giants manager, this hire is all on Zman, and I’m sure he’s well aware of that…

  49. snarkk said, on November 16, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    Giants place on the MLB revenue list…
    https://www3.forbes.com/business/baseball-team-values-2019/27/

  50. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 16, 2019 at 7:33 pm

    I’m guessing most of us Flappers are generally *good men* (if Ferret was still here, I would change that to *good people*) and of course abhor sexual assault. Geez, I thought the Giants should’ve fired Baer after his very public wrestling match with his wife. But I’m still trying to figure out just what Kapler is guilty of here and why someone would stop being a Giants fan because of the hire….. Are people going to be more critical of his onfield baseball moves because of this event 4 years ago in LA? I really know nothing about Kapler and have no reason or inkling to defend him, but also don’t see much that should cause him to be crucified….

  51. blade3colorado said, on November 16, 2019 at 7:44 pm

    I like Paul and snarkk’s take on this. I really don’t care for Killion either. She grew up in Marin county and currently lives in Mill Valley. Just my take, but she is a snob. I read the article, but I wish I had read the comments as Willie had, i.e., apparently, they are not supportive of her viewpoint either. So, there’s that.

  52. willedav said, on November 16, 2019 at 8:19 pm

    wow Jalen Hurts and Oklahoma outscore Baylor 24-0 in second half and will win it 34-31 after once being down 28-3. He runs a lot and is very tough QB.

    Can’t stand Killion. She ragged on Kapler week before he got hired and apparently was the one who came after him strongest in presser. Most of blogger comments thought she was very unfair and Kapler is being held under fire for following proper channels and notifying team officials.

    she also steadfastly refuses to vote Bonds in HOF over “character issue”. She was on a program on sports channel trying to defend herself vs. other local sportswriters over this and was exposed as ridiculous.

    • Macdog said, on November 16, 2019 at 8:23 pm

      Hey Wille, did you see this clip of how Kansas-Monmouth ended last night? Pretty funny.

      • snarkk said, on November 16, 2019 at 10:56 pm

        Methinks Kansas probably was doing some rubbing noses in something during the game, and that last steal and dunk was some kind of payback…

      • willedav said, on November 17, 2019 at 7:10 am

        if I’m the guy’s coach I’d think it was pretty funny, except for getting into Kansas player’s face afterwards.
        I hate when teams schedule these type of preseason games though. Georgetown used to schedule St. Leo.
        Why bother? Probably get more comp in practice/ scrimmage.

  53. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 16, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    Yeah, Killion’s anti-Bonds stance has always been ridiculous. She voted for Bonds as MVP numerous times, likely knowing full well about steroids at the time. She has seemed to be quite the hypocrite.


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