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Taking A Deep Dive Into Dove Lore

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 19, 2019

It was at the exact moment that I was googling “who was Sonny Dove” that I realized we were a smidge thin on content for the blog this morning. Anyone got any good Sonny Dove stories?

Surprised I’ve never heard of him, he died in the ballpark of when Len Bias died and everyone knows who Bias was.

Maybe time to give Phil Nastu another phone call?


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  1. willedav said, on November 19, 2019 at 7:46 am

    Ah remembered him being a NYC guy, didn’t realize he went to HS in Brooklyn and did so well at St. John’s he is still high in record books. NYC b-ball HOF no small honor.

    Funny but it seems like big men are returning to prominence in college and NBA ball. Centers nowadays may not have footwork or counter moves Pete Newell would approve of, but the position seems to be gaining in talent level and athleticism. It’s a welcome respite from teams going into total iso ball and launching interminable 3s, imo.

    Cal (supposed to be bottom feeder in Pac 12 again) will be in MSG for tournament Thursday, and barely beat Prairie View last night at home at Haas in Berkeley. Their opponent in Garden? #1 Duke. I’m guessing coach says we’re gonna need to play a lot better real soon.
    Speaking of big men, the Dad of 6th grade kid I’m helping coach was telling me that the private HS where his daughter plays has 3 guys on boys team 6-7.

    Uh, Flavor Big Game thoughts? Both teams scrambling to be dreaded bowl eligible, playing back up QBs, and combined 5-10 in a weak league. Still, this is big one on the schedule and Shaw has owned it. Should be fun.

    • Flavor said, on November 19, 2019 at 7:51 am

      Stanford is terrible if they win that game Cal sucks.

  2. alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2019 at 7:55 am

    Agree Stanford stinks, down too the 3rd string QB?
    Wilcox should take it too Shaw easily..

    • willedav said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:19 am

      mm their back up guy Davis threw for 400 yds last week and is way better than Modster. Of course Stanford gave up 600 yds to Wazzu last week, but Cal doesn’t have that kind of offense. The Wazzu QB Gordon is local guy from Terra Nova HS and his fav wideout Easop Winston is from the City and played at Serra. How come locals let these guys get all the way to Palouse country in bumF eastern Washington?

      • unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2019 at 9:25 am

        How did Lynn Swann end up in SoCal for that matter.

  3. alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:48 am

    Sonny Dove I had no recollection of him,but he sure was a good baller at St John’s that’s for sure! Picked 4th in the 1st rd by the Pistons shows how good he must of been.
    Tragic story about his death plunging into the water in his taxi after a drawbridge was raised for a ferry to pass under and a power outage kept the signal lights from flashing and their was only a flag man trying to stop traffic which maybe he didn’t see?

  4. alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2019 at 10:46 am

    HOF a lock for Jeter and maybe gets 100% vote like Rivera did.The rest maybe Schilling ( who I can’t stand, but did help me win a fantasy baseball league once lol 😂) gets in with his 60.9 vote last time sure to get a bump up. Bonds&Clemens their probably vote them in but not till their very last year of eligibility, year 10.. And Jeff Kent is a HOF for his consistent slugging as a 2nd basemen RBI’s as he said:”Money lies in the RBI’s” his alltime leader in HR’s by a 2nd basemen, was he like Bonds an a-hole?Probably, but who gives a Rats Ass, theirs plenty of surly dudes in the HOF! But these bias voters still hold grudges sadly,and Kent with only 19% votes last year which is a joke, will have to wait till his last year as well,if he makes it at all which is disrespectful to him..

    • djloo27 said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:51 pm

      Jeter won’t get 100%.
      He’s not that well liked…

  5. willedav said, on November 19, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Talking about wiseman and big men, I’d keep an eye on Diamite of Virginia. He looked good on their championship team last year and came back for his senior year. He’s big and active and has another season of competition to learn mature and grow.

    so many guys make the decision to go to the NBA after a year and Warriors have couple guys that imo screwed up big time. Spellman left Nova, ballooned up in weight and sucked for Atlanta and fell apart without support system of coaches and friends/teammates. Chriss bounced around NBA and is now getting limited back up minutes. each had a chance to stay in school, further their education and play competitive ball. Instead they are scuffling and still trying to show they have skill set they could have worked on to improve in college.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2019 at 11:59 am

      There’s that, and there’s the fact these kids get offered so much to come out early. If the NBA and the NCAA truly cared about these guys, they would institute a better system of allowing compensation for student athletes.

      The NCAA is despicable in their behavior to the folks they make billions off of.

    • Flavor said, on November 19, 2019 at 12:22 pm

      I’m not sure how much *furthering their education* those dudes were into. Sadly, a lot of those athletes are using the NCAA as a vehicle to the next level. School isn’t about class.

      • willedav said, on November 19, 2019 at 12:33 pm

        oh yes I know you are right and it is unfortunate. The big thing to me is getting to play. In college they could start every game and get starter reps and attention to their development in practice. In NBA they are bench warmer afterthoughts, and disposable.

      • unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2019 at 12:55 pm

        Throw in agents and family members begging them to go for the money. Yeah, the athletes are using the NCAA. For what though? A chance to t make their school tons of money while they get suspended for getting too much pasta at the salad bar. Coaches drift from job to job, but do that as a student and get left off the team for a year. This whole fight arounds Wiseman is utter bullshit.

  6. unca_chuck said, on November 19, 2019 at 12:13 pm

    A 23 year old prospect for the Twins, Ryan Costello, passed away at the age of 23.

    They are calling it natural causes. He died in his sleep in a hotel room in New Zealand where he was playing in the Australian League.

    That isn’t natural. But wow. That’s terrible.

  7. willedav said, on November 19, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    On the MLBTR story re: Mets outlook, couple bloggers make comments regarding Giants. One says Mets should go after Cueto and Watson, another says they should acquire Pillar as everyday CF. Isn’t he arb eligible? Giants have decision to make there.
    What might it take to get Nimmo off their hands? Seems like Z type of hitter, occasional power high OB and has played all 3 OF positions.

    • djloo27 said, on November 19, 2019 at 2:47 pm

      Nimmo smiles too much. He’s like a fuckin’ hyena out there.
      I prefer a grouch like Gillaspie…

      • alleykat69 said, on November 19, 2019 at 5:53 pm

        Yeah but I’ll take a smiler over a whiner like Flores…

      • djloo27 said, on November 19, 2019 at 6:51 pm

        I think Wilmer would be a nice pick up and even with Solano in the utility role they could find 300 ABs for him. Solano could tank, too. Wilmer is clutch and has power.
        Unfortunately, he might be slower than Posey…

      • Flavor said, on November 19, 2019 at 7:46 pm

        as long as he keeps the tears to a minimum (death in the family, stuff like that) I would sanction that pick up

    • willedav said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:04 pm

      Ha I’m with you for 2 out of 3. That pic with the article of Puig licking the bat isn’t exactly a good selling point.

  8. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    Puig.. For some reason, I don’t really have an opinion about yay or nay. I can see the attraction, and I can see the *problems* he might cause. Mainly, I always figured *team chemistry* would be damaged by Puig’s obnoxious antics, but in a way, the team is starting over, and there quite possibly isn’t any set team chemistry at this point, so maybe it wouldn’t be a negative factor….

    • Flavor said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:25 pm

      Puig sucks. That is the reason to not acquire him.

      • djloo27 said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:46 pm

        It’ll energize the fan base!
        Maybe help spark a half-dead rivalry…

      • unca_chuck said, on November 20, 2019 at 11:28 am

        The fans are idiots. They want Panik back.

  9. Flavor said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    What in the actual FUCK man. This is sad and stupid and maybe even a tad bit humorous. Everything in the world is just out of control right now

    • djloo27 said, on November 19, 2019 at 8:49 pm

      Guess he wanted a new car to go with his new shoes…

  10. willedav said, on November 20, 2019 at 7:30 am

    :Puig I think has hit a plateau since his rebound season couple years ago. Despite getting chance to play in bandbox Cincy and juiced ball his slugging numbers weren’t any better than in LA the year before.
    I think teams have come to realize he’s uncoachable and still makes the same dumb baserunning mistakes and refuses to hit cut off men. Funny to watch him being “held back” in couple of skirmishes Reds had with I think Pirates. Everyone is on field, things appear to have settled down and then Puig starts yelling and screaming and pointing fingers again.

    The dodgers dumped him to the Reds for Homer Bailey whom they promptly released and 2 guys still stuck in A/AA ball. Reds were done with him after 100 games. He hit 2 HRs in 180 ABs for Tribe. Just not enough there to counter the negatives. Interesting to see who signs him (AL more likely) how much run $$/yrs he gets.

  11. zumiee said, on November 20, 2019 at 8:46 am

    Kings defeated a pretty good Suns team last night. Walton is coaching well. After a disastrous opening game of the season, which had Kings fans really wondering about him, he’s taken a team that is missing two of its best players due to injury, and turned them into a scrappy, hustling, defensive-minded unit. They lack some fire power on offense, but they are being competitive, which is a big step up from opening night.

    • zumiee said, on November 20, 2019 at 8:48 am

      Bogdanovic did have breakout game on offense last night, but he really runs hot and cold, and I don’t depend on him game to game. And he goes a bit ball-hoggy sometimes. Hield is the guy who really has to get the team rolling on offense.

  12. willedav said, on November 20, 2019 at 8:49 am

    mm this from F/G talking about FAs in NL West and who might replace them. this comment re: Bum.
    “Cueto and Smrdz remain but the Giants will be playing with fire if they let the current group of in house candidates, including Shane Anderson Tyler Beede Logan Webb and Tyler Anderson compete for more than 2 spots.”
    Also noted Vogt should attract a lot of attention and wondered if Giants would either keep 3 Cs or give Aramis Garcia enough starts to cover those without Posey who hasn’t caught more than 96 games in 3 years.

    Noted too that Wilmer Flores (whom AZ decline $6miloption) hit very well last year. Whether he stays there or not depends on how they use Ketel Marte, more in CF or at 2b. But Flores has value with 120 RC+ and .285 BA in part time role at 2b and either corner IF.

  13. alleykat69 said, on November 20, 2019 at 9:31 am

    I would like to see the Giants go after both Rick Porcello &Travis d’Arnaud.Porcello gives you 30 starts every year has a good strikeout to walk ratio and even though he’s a fly all pitcher that works well at Oracle even if the walls move in 10 ft.
    D’Arnaud is a solid Catcher with pop,throws out runners at a good pct, would be a great complimentary piece with Posey..
    Ozuma would be great for LF with the power he provides and still avg to above fielder in LF only.Cost 3/45 would work.Porcello 1/14 and D’Arnaud 2/28?

  14. alleykat69 said, on November 20, 2019 at 9:35 am

    Too high on D’Arnaud, more like 2/$15mil still all 3 players run you at around 75 mil not to bad overall..

  15. sandog said, on November 20, 2019 at 11:34 am

    Even I am off the Puig-to-SF bandwagon, and I was right there with Loo for years calling for us to get him.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 20, 2019 at 11:43 am


      • alleykat69 said, on November 20, 2019 at 12:19 pm

        Yeah Chuck I think the wheels have fallen off the Puig Bandwagon for sure.Even if Z and Gabe have a connection with the Cuban Headcase I just can’t see him coming here.He can lick his bat& balls for another team..

  16. blade3colorado said, on November 20, 2019 at 1:36 pm

    I’m still down with Puig. With what we currently have, come on down Mr. Puig!

  17. chipower9 said, on November 20, 2019 at 1:37 pm

    Great picture, Charlie. I think that sums it up pretty good for Puig. I was on the fence about signing him last couple of years, but think that ship has sailed. I think Zaidi will continue to find bargain pieces that fit.

    I don’t see the Giants going out and signing more than one big fish free agent, and if they do, I would say Ozuma is my first pick (being realistic about who they can/will sign). I don’t see Rendon being a possibility, but could see Ozuna at 3/45.

  18. unca_chuck said, on November 20, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    I’m sure Z got enough of Puig in his Dodger days. Now? Fuck that. He’s Bowker Gang material now.

    Well, maybe not that bad, but Pillar and Yaz last year put up similar numbers with less bullshit and antics. If the Dick Dick Dick can stay hard, we should be fine w/o the little puiggy.

  19. Flavor said, on November 20, 2019 at 4:10 pm

    San Dog I am glad you have finally come around on Puke

  20. Flavor said, on November 20, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    very little room on a team for the slow and weak.

    • alleykat69 said, on November 20, 2019 at 5:24 pm

      And that goes for the Giants.No room for sentiment on a squad that needs to get younger..

  21. djloo27 said, on November 20, 2019 at 6:10 pm

    The quieter it gets, the more I think big things are cooking.
    I wonder if they consider Yaz a juice ball fluke or a late blooming star…

    • Flavor said, on November 20, 2019 at 6:11 pm

      your boy Ellsbury just got released. Bird too.

      • djloo27 said, on November 20, 2019 at 6:20 pm

        Send ’em Belt already…

  22. alleykat69 said, on November 20, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    Bird worth a flier for cheap?
    What you say Loo?
    Anything left in the tank with him?
    He’s still young 27?
    Are he’s just always going to be injured 🤕

    • djloo27 said, on November 20, 2019 at 6:37 pm

      That’s the problem, Kat. Always injured.
      Yankee pal just texted me how that short porch was made for him.
      Might not translate well to the Kale Bowl…

    • unca_chuck said, on November 20, 2019 at 8:26 pm

      The Bird is the word.

      • alleykat69 said, on November 20, 2019 at 10:34 pm

        Your on a roll Chuck!
        We should sign Bird 🐦 just so he could use that music for his walk up AB!!!

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