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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 14, 2019

Nice little weekend of decorating the tree and watching sports on tv. Still trying to figure out why the Niners are 11 point favorites. They have so many players out. And Atlanta still has some decent guys, it’s not like we’re playing the Jets or some shit.

KNBR morning guys freaking out about *mutual interest* between Bum and LA. Sounds like smoke to me and I don’t see how that ever comes together. Bum in LA? Come on….

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  1. zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 7:26 am

    He’s going to want more years than LA wants to give.

  2. zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 7:27 am

    “Zumie, do you think there was one person or event that just changed everything?”

    That’s a great question to ponder. My first thought is that by the ‘80s, the Baby Boomer kids were getting into the power positions of society and could bring values from the ‘60s more into play. Not everything from the ‘60s was good, but there was more emphasis on critical thinking. Questioning things. More freedom to challenge things.

    • djloo27 said, on December 14, 2019 at 8:10 am

      Good response, Zum. I also think it was my (our) generation that really started spoiling or at least over indulging their children…

    • unca_chuck said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:09 am

      You mean like 9/11? Or the Kennedy assassination? Personal computers? Smart phones?

      Trump has certainly changed (ie destroyed) American politics for the foreseeable future. The idea that pandering to our enemies (Russia, NK) and alienating our allies is a viable form of US foreign policy is baffling if not outright dangerous to the free world.

      The US and Britain are leading the way to dismantling two of the greatest democracies the world has seen, and no one seems to be the least bit alarmed.

  3. Flavor said, on December 14, 2019 at 7:29 am

    Did you guys see Puig wants to go to Miami? Hmmmm why would anyone WANT to go to a shitty team like Miami? Ok, I’m not going to rag on him for wanting to live close to his family and friends but it is an indication that this guy doesn’t care about winning. He wants to party and flex those peaking biceps. No thanks, that does us no good at all.

  4. zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 7:39 am

    Around this time of year is the reminder of how John Lennon was taken from the world.
    Among his great talents, John could write some of the prettiest love songs around. Some of his best ones were inspired by his relationship with Yoko. Their relationship mystified and perturbed a lot of people, but is clearly a love story.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 14, 2019 at 7:45 am

      Is that a knife in her skull???

      • zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 8:04 am

        I think it’s a feather. Not a knife. 🙂

  5. djloo27 said, on December 14, 2019 at 8:28 am

    I always thought this scene from Imagine might’ve been staged. Look at the guy’s beautiful blue eyes and perfect white teeth. I wish I looked like that. Quite a spread John laid out there for his hungry friend…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 14, 2019 at 8:38 am

      I only noticed that the guy didn’t wash his hands (2.:09) . . . Spread? Toast and coffee? lqtm.

      • djloo27 said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:21 am

        Is that the same guy in the audience who asks him about Revolution on the talk show???
        LOL!!!

      • blade3colorado said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:32 am

        No, another guy.

      • unca_chuck said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:56 am

        I thought the same thing.

    • alleykat69 said, on December 14, 2019 at 11:02 am

      No way John should ever drink coffee ☕️ out of that mug again after that slob spread his outbreak 😷 germs all over it..

  6. Flavor said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:19 am

    Zum i know shit about the Beatles but didn’t they break up, at least in part, due to the band’s universal dislike of Yoko and her always being around?

    • alleykat69 said, on December 14, 2019 at 11:05 am

      That’s the consensus most Americans thought, that the rest of the band couldn’t stand her meddling in their affairs..

    • zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 11:50 am

      Yoko was just a small factor. Bands are like marriages. A lot of marriages end in divorce. John, Paul, and George all wanted out of the band to get on with solo careers.
      The fans blamed Yoko because that was an easy thing for the fans to point at.
      John wanted out of the band, but didn’t want to be the first to officially leave. Paul ended up having to be the first to officially leave.

      • zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 11:54 am

        When you’re a solo artist, you call all the shots, and don’t have to be subject to the other band members’ veto power.

  7. zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 11:58 am

    That was tough for fans to accept, that the guys didn’t want to be Beatles anymore. It probably annoyed the guys that the fans weren’t thrilled to see Beatle solo careers.
    The guys had some great moments in their solo careers and sold a lot of records, but they were never again hugely important to the music scene.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:29 pm

      I really don’t think they wanted to be. That was the impetus to quit touring. It was too much insanity. Of all of them, I think George Harrison was the most creative by far once he was out from under the Beatles. Ringo was happy to coast along, John took his 9 year hiatus, and Paul did fine with Wings, but he was not my cup of tea on his own.

  8. djloo27 said, on December 14, 2019 at 8:52 pm

    A New York Post writer mentions Belt as a possible target for the lefty starved Yanks. Says SF would have to pay a chunk of the money 💰 owed to him and accept a 2nd tier prospect in return. Doubt the guy knows WTF he’s talking about, but it’s the first time I’ve seen anything about Belt to the Yanks in print…

    • zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:00 pm

      The idea of moving Longoria to firstbase….I wonder if the Giants brass is giving that a thought. I wonder how Longo would feel about that.

  9. djloo27 said, on December 14, 2019 at 8:56 pm

    Strange how Zumie ‘s comments don’t appear in the “recent comments” section until someone comments after him. Why is that?

    • unca_chuck said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:22 pm

      He must be a vampire.

      • zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:59 pm

        I am very nocturnal, true.

  10. unca_chuck said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    The Beatles for the last couple years all took turns quitting the band. George and Ringo for being allotted so little space on any given album, and John and Paul because they fought a lot toward the end.

  11. djloo27 said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    Yoko got all the shit, but Paul was pretty cozy with his chick who I’m sure had plenty to say…

    • djloo27 said, on December 14, 2019 at 9:43 pm

      God forbid any of them ever STFU for 30 seconds…

  12. zumiee said, on December 14, 2019 at 10:04 pm

    At one point Paul wanted to bring in Linda’s father, a wealthy investment guy, to sort out the band’s chaotic finances, and John was a big “no” on that.

  13. mrsprtdude said, on December 14, 2019 at 11:35 pm

    I watched torture to Championship. Awesome. Thanks for posting dirt:)

  14. blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:49 am

    I had zero clue that MLB wasn’t “kumbaya” with minor league baseball. Sounds like a shit storm is about to happen and I wonder how this will impact the Giants minor league system??? Good or bad?

    https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/mlb_commissioner_rob_manfred_threatens_to_cut_ties_with_minor_league_baseball/s1_13237_30802868

    • unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2019 at 11:48 am

      So, the guy with all the money and backing and sponsorship wants those that don’t have even 1% of any given major league team to pony up more money and improve their facilities?

      This will destroy single A ball, and a lot of AA ball I’d think. Don’t even know about fall leagues or instructional leagues, or rookie ball.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2019 at 12:25 pm

        I have 3 reasons I enjoy going to minor league baseball games: 1. You are right on top of the action, almost a la little league baseball; 2. Prices are very affordable; and, 3. The game itself and the between innings family oriented giveaways/entertainment takes you back to the way the game was circa 1950s or 60s.

        Frankly, I enjoy myself much more at a San Jose minor league game versus attending a big league game at Oracle.

  15. unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2019 at 9:18 am

    It can’t be good.

  16. alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2019 at 11:11 am

    And all the shit storm of minor league baseball started when Bing Russell ( actor and father of Kirk Russell) took over a minor league baseball team(A ball) up in Portland and MLB hated the guy and his renegade bunch of players.They ended up being very competitive and other minor league teams thru their owners and MLB approval were allowed to stack their best players from even AAA to beat them in the playoffs! Highly recommend the movie :”The Battered Bastards of Baseball “

  17. snarkk said, on December 15, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    This Manfred dude and the owners are crazy. Greed is not good.
    They should be doing everything they can to support and partner with the minor leagues. Crying about losing young people from baseball interest is not compatible with ditching organized minor league ball, into some free for all bullshit. Some of my best baseball memories are watching the Fresno Giants as a kid. MLB is trying my patience to continue to be a lifelong fan…

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2019 at 1:38 pm

    It’ll turn into the haves (Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox et al) having strong affiliates while the rest are fighting for scraps.

    How utterly out of tune are these guys with the game of baseball? Destroy the minors, and you destroy fans that follow the teams affiliated with their minor league teams. Let alone the small-town aspect of the game that makes it so enjoyable.

    They are turning into the NFL in their blind loyalty to greed and their own well-being. But let’s introduce stupid rules around where players can stand and how many batters can be pitched to to chase a fan base that isn’t there, while we shit down the small towns that support the low minors.

  19. Flavor said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:09 pm

    Bum to D Backs.

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:22 pm

      5/85???
      Suckered again!

      • sandog said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:27 pm

        You definitely had the over on that one Loo. What was the number you’ve always said he was going to get—200 mil?

      • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:34 pm

        I’m sure I guaranteed 5/125.
        Can’t believe what he settled for and no one can convince me that was the best offer…

  20. alleykat69 said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    5/85??? They really don’t raise them to smart in Hooterville! Guess Bum just wanted the years not the dough..

  21. sandog said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:36 pm

    Pretty wild the Giants wouldn’t give him even that much.
    Z-Man has to be thinking about just eating the final years of Posey and Crawdad’s deals and DFA’ing both those guys. Wouldn’t surprise me much if that happened.

  22. djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    Sad-Dum…

  23. djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:51 pm

    I’m really gonna need to have this one explained to me…

  24. unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    I’m glad, I guess. I didn’t want him on a 5 year deal, but that is peanuts. If LA was in the mix, I guarantee they offered him more. I would have offered Bummie the same money for 3 years. Which we may have done. Who knows? Sure seems awful paltry for him. He was never about the money anyway, but did we just completely turn our back on him? The fb wives are gonna be howling about Farhan now.

    Crawfish has to go. I can’t take another year of his dribblers to 2nd. Belt can be creatively traded.

  25. Macdog said, on December 15, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    I realize there’s a good chance we’ll be laughing at the D-Backs in 2024 for making this deal, but it’s 2019, and this hurts to see the Giants let MadBum go to the desert for not exactly a budget-busting contract.

  26. blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2019 at 3:01 pm

    It’s actually 5 years, $70 million and $15 million deferred. However, before you say that’s stupid of him and his agent for accepting such a deal, depending on how that deferred money is structured – MadBum probably made himself a wise move.

    For example, we all know about Bobby Bonilla deferred buyout payment, where he had millions deferred. That was different because it was a buyout. Here are some examples, which are likely more in line with MadBum’s deferred payments:

    The Atlanta Braves are still paying Bruce Sutter $1.12 million a year in a deferred payment through 2021 and he will also receive a final balloon payment of $9.1 million. Sutter last pitched 30 years ago.

    The Baltimore Orioles will give Chris Davis 15 deferred payments, $3.5 million annually in 2023 through 2032 and $1.4 million annually in 2033 through 2037.

    The Boston Red Sox gave Manny Ramirez a deferment payment of $2,003,389 in 2018 and will continue with that annual payment through 2026 at 2.5 percent interest.

    The Cincinnati Reds began giving Ken Griffey Jr. a deferred payment of $3,593,750 in 2009 and continue to do that annually through the year 2024.

    The Milwaukee Brewers have to pay Ryan Braun $1,800,000 each year starting in 2022 through 2031.

    The Washington Nationals agreed to give Max Scherzer deferred payments of $15 million each July 1 from 2022 to 2028.

    In my opinion, MadBum and his agent did okay on this deal.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2019 at 3:06 pm

      . . . and by the by, all of these aforementioned deferred payments have something called “interest” involved. Consequently, that $15 million figure Bum’s agent got him is worth much, much more.

      • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 3:34 pm

        Blade, I know you know what you’re talking about, but I still think this deal sucks for him…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2019 at 3:41 pm

        Loo, I’m the guy who said last season, he would be lucky to get 4-5 years at $45 million. So, I was way off as well. Just my take, but Wheeler’s ridiculous deal ensured my estimate regarding Bum was going to be wrong.

  27. zumiee said, on December 15, 2019 at 3:11 pm

    All the money these guys make is astronomical. I found 2 dimes on the floorboard of my car the other day and got a little excited. True story.

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 3:47 pm

      Now I know who Bumgarner’s agent is…

  28. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 15, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    Sort of surprised to see Bumgarner choose that bandbox in AZ. The yards in LA or SD made more sense to get to 200 Ws which would make him a lock for the HOF imo.

  29. gianthead said, on December 15, 2019 at 4:12 pm

    Very surprised the Cards, Braves or Twins let him go for that…at least not a Flodger…what other starters are out there?

  30. gianthead said, on December 15, 2019 at 4:29 pm

    There was a reference in the mlb trade rumors story that the deal maker was him wanting to be in AZ so may have been a life style decision for him and still F SmelLA…now we can sign Puig:)

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:58 pm

      Life style decision? Does he want out hang out with them?

  31. Flavor said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    this guy is right

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:27 pm

      All of what?

      • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:36 pm

        What’s he done besides let the FAs walk and bring in 20 guys named Tyler?

  32. djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    If a state has no income tax, I have to believe they hit their people in other ways to make up for it.
    How else can they pay for stuff? Where does the money to pay the police, sanitation, firemen, etc come from?

    • snarkk said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:29 pm

      See my correction below. Still, way lower tax rate in AZ.
      AZ has sales tax, property tax and miscellaneous taxes like for for sewer, dogcatcher, etc., you get the idea. Plus, the government doesn’t provide many services to residents. That’s why its teachers went on strike last year. Texas has no income tax. But, it has really high property taxes, and it has sales taxes; also it doesn’t provide a lot of government services like other states. Like it got rid of its inspection authority for industrial safety in a lot of places. That’s why

      • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:33 pm

        Thanks, Snarkkie!

      • snarkk said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:42 pm

        Texas has no income tax at any level.
        But, high property tax, and sales taxes of various kinds and jurisdictions.
        Also, the state doesn’t regulate a lot of stuff or provide services like blue states with higher taxes.
        So, you get things like the fertilizer plant explosion in West, TX in 2013 that leveled the facility and the local town that it was basically right next to, and killed 15 and injured scores. Somebody set the fire, but the chemicals and fertilizer were stored improperly and unsafely by the owners who had no state inspection agency to call them on it. So, there should never been an explosion, nor should have a facility like that been allowed to keep going right next to a town. Here’s a vid from the non-town side of the plant. Skip to 1:10 if you want and see what happens. It’s loud…

  33. snarkk said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    Arizona has 4.5% rate of income tax on that $85 million gross to Bum.
    Bum will get residency to qualify for that rate on most of that salary.
    The California gross salary (subject to 13.3% state income tax at that level of income) the Giants would have to pay to get Bum to the equivalent net of tax Arizona salary is about $93 million…

  34. djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    Bum 2nd greatest SP IN SF history? (And easily greatest lefty)

  35. Macdog said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:40 pm

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:46 pm

      Bagg’s source:

    • snarkk said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:46 pm

      That’s about $17.5 million a year, not bad.
      Hey, if I’m Bum, that extra $15 million from AZ is really worth about $17 million tax affected from CA. No way I’m giving that away for the Giants. Not to mention the Giants overall $70 million is really $61 million net of CA state tax; and the AZ overall offer of $85 million is about $81 million net of tax, without accounting for deferral. That’s a $20 million delta, and that’s real money. Other teams must have figured Bum’s got a lot of mileage on that arm, and is giving up too many dingers. Speaking of dingers, he’s going to get hammered in that ballpark…

  36. blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    A year from now . . . Wait! By mid-season’s All Star break, remember that I said (and call me on it if I’m wrong):

    “Thank God we didn’t sign Bum to an 5 year, $85 million contract”.

    • snarkk said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:09 pm

      They’ll score runs for him there, but man, that place is a launching pad.
      He gave up 30 dongs this past season in 34 starts. 30, with half of starts at Oracle.
      If he’s healthy all next year, he may give up somewhere around 40…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:18 pm

        Basically, a completely different pitcher at home and away, e.g., batters only had a .213 batting average against him at home . . . and a .286 batting average against him away. His OBP allowed was .255 at home and .336 away. OPS against him at home was .619 and away was .840.

  37. gianthead said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    In this pig-headed attempt by MLB to hamstring minor league baseball not only stupid, short-sighted, it may very well be collusive. I an with Sen. Berbie Sanders on tjis matter to preserve minor league ball and whatever independence exists. Maybe Sanders and others in the Senate and campaign trail should start talking taking away MLB’s anti-trust exemption!!! Been in favor of that since the last strike and starting and looking the other way on the juicing era beginning with McGwire and Sosa…

    • gianthead said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:08 pm

      And I wonder if this is Manfred and the owners first shot against the players in the potential coming labor battle with the players union…

  38. snarkk said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    Minor leaguers are already getting paid next to nothing, and they friggin’ live with people in their homes in the low minors, or 3 or 4 guys to a one bedroom apartment, like vagabonds. It’s crazy. MLB wants to be like the NFL that pays virtually nothing to develop its new employees — the colleges take care of that…

  39. Flavor said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:14 pm

    Niner loss hurt (that 11 point spread was a joke) but could it have been any worse for Carr and the Raiders? Lol, Raider fans boo’d him and threw trash at him as he left the field. Man, what a fitting way for that franchise to leave Oakland. Dysfunctional to their core……

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:35 pm

      I was incredibly jealous of them for 20 some years…

    • unca_chuck said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:40 pm

      16-3 and they get shut out in the 2nd half? To the Jags? Ouch.

  40. Flavor said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    lol

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:29 pm

      “Straw” was an appropriate nickname, but he was able to get clean. His old buddy Gooden is a hopeless junkie who just can’t kick it. Every day I expect to wake up to the news that he’s either died or been arrested again. A lot of people don’t know that Jose’s twin, Ozzie played in the majors…

  41. snarkk said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    When done, Bum will have career earnings of $120MM.
    Timmy has total of $103MM for career…

    • djloo27 said, on December 15, 2019 at 6:49 pm

      Not that it matters, but Bum coulda been closer to $200MM if he had chosen differently, I guess…

  42. Flavor said, on December 15, 2019 at 7:49 pm

    a rare evening thread graces the Flap……


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