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Full Speed Ahead To Wesucktown

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 17, 2019

Regarding Loo’s POTD: come on, they aren’t going to be worse than the Tigers. But you aren’t too far off. When we let Pillar go and then Bumgarner, you’re clearly not trying to get better. But I also don’t have a major problem with them not trying to maintain a team that was going to win somewhere in the 70’s, at best. Last July’s fluky run aside, that team stunk. It was really more representative of a team that would win in the high 60’s, low 70’s. So I don’t have  a problem with Z wanting something better than that for us. But there is no magic wand. This is going to take a few years. I do expect him to bite the bullet somehow on these core guys and jettison them somewhere with us paying most of the salary. That will be the best time for us this off season, I fear.

Make no mistake about it, we are wandering through the wilderness years. The only change is that Z is embracing it. His honesty is actually refreshing…..

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  1. chipower9 said, on December 17, 2019 at 7:26 am

    Agree whole-heartedly, Flav. The next couple of years will be slow work on shedding the boat-anchor contracts, and stocking talent to make the team viable in a couple of years. People are not going to like it, but I think it is the best way forward.

    I still would not have had a problem with giving Bum five years at 85 (exception in not inking big/long-term deals), but am over the loss of him, and just keep reflecting on the great memories of Three In Five.

    • Flavor said, on December 17, 2019 at 7:54 am

      Agreed. I would have been fine with a deal like that, it’s not crippling by any means. But it didn’t happen, it’s time to move on. It’s sunrise, we just hit the ridge, there’s a canyon full of trees as far as the eye can see! It’s beautiful! We just gotta get to the other side….

  2. unca_chuck said, on December 17, 2019 at 8:03 am

    If Smargle is decent, he’ll be tradeable. Belt? Could be, with us eating some. Longo? He may be too much to eat this year. He lingers. As will Posey.

    Cueto is the big ? Even he should be moveable if he pitches good. Crawfish? DFA. As soon as possible. He gets the Panik treatment.

    It would be a lot to ask to lose Smargle, Belt, Cueto, and Crawfish this season, but we would be in much better shape. With the minors getting better, hey 2022 ain’t that far away with Bart, Ramos, and Luciano hitting their stride.

  3. unca_chuck said, on December 17, 2019 at 9:14 am

    Correct me if I’m worng, but I think we have the worst record in the majors since the 2016 All Star break.

  4. blade3colorado said, on December 17, 2019 at 9:15 am

    Without getting emotional, explain to me how 5 years, $85 million to Bum gets us out of the wilderness? So, the 1st year he does what he did last year, i.e., good at home and terrible on the road – does that get us out? Is the 2nd year, he is back to being Bum of 2014 and that gets us off the wilderness trail? What happens in 3, 4 and 5 years?

    Or is this just a feel good, make amends to Bum deal? Meanwhile, we suck as much or more having wasted $85 million.

    • chipower9 said, on December 17, 2019 at 9:56 am

      If doesn’t. But, it is a fact the team needs starters. A 5/85 deal in no way would have railroaded Z’s plan, IMO. I think Bum will be serviceable for at least 3-4 years. With him in the fold, on the cheap compared to the coin starters are getting this year, he would have provided solid starts and could have been a coach of sorts for the young starters.

      Again, if you read my post, I said that a deal like this would have been “the exception.” Didn’t happen. Moving on.

  5. djloo27 said, on December 17, 2019 at 9:32 am

    The Giants are bereft of talent in every phase of the game…

  6. alleykat69 said, on December 17, 2019 at 9:40 am

    Writing on the wall for Bum goes back to his last rehab start in San Jose ( fractured finger) at the All-Star break and nobody from the organization came to watch him pitch.Definite Red Flag,even going back to the dirt bike accident while not fining him their was skeptical about his health going forward.
    And I believe he was pissed off that his buddy Clayton Kershaw got a 3/93 extension and the Giants weren’t about to tear up his current contract, but yet every other Giant got their big paydays..Posey,Crawford,Belt, só I’m sure that didn’t set well with him either..

  7. unca_chuck said, on December 17, 2019 at 10:09 am

    I think a lot of the animosity stemmed from the dirt bike accident. He fucked up big time there. Whatever thoughts of an extension for him went out the window then.

  8. unca_chuck said, on December 17, 2019 at 10:14 am

    Honestly Blade, the Giants are doing Bummie a favor. We are gonna be suck dog millionaires these next couple seasons, and he might as well pitch where he could help a possible contender.

    I wonder what the Dodgers offered him, but I think regardless of how he feels about the Giants, he would rather not be a Dodger.

    • blade3colorado said, on December 17, 2019 at 10:53 am

      Agree about doing him a favor. As I said yesterday, he is going to get lit up in Arizona. Couple that with likely (again) having road woes – it isn’t going to be a pretty sight. If we had signed him, he would have been marginally better, essentially doing the same as last season or a bit better at home and again, not so well on the road.

      I stopped getting emotional about baseball heroes, much less all sports heroes, after Mays and Montana were dealt. I still find it disgusting that Joe suited up as a third string QB behind Young and Steve Bono for the final time as a 49er in the team’s NFC Championship showdown with the Dallas Cowboys in 1992. I was pissed off for a few years after that BS move.

  9. alleykat69 said, on December 17, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Yeah atleast Bum didn’t try and coverup his dirt bike accident like Kent who was popping wheelies and crashed and broke his wrist and lamely tried to say he did it washing his truck..
    I get teams have 50-100 clauses in contracts of what they should not do, but their still human and it’s unfair to expect them to hold up to the standards.
    Probably a double standard though, if your just a borderline player your probably getting cut, if your a star and been quite productive you get much more slack..

    • unca_chuck said, on December 17, 2019 at 11:39 am

      Even still, both Kent and Bummie lost credibility with the front office higher-ups and I think it affected their dealings with Kent and Bummie going forward.

      • alleykat69 said, on December 17, 2019 at 12:32 pm

        For sure, the dirt bike incident turned out to Kent’s last season with the Giants in 2002.He signed with the Stros in 2003.Then again he probably was sick and tired of Barry,and being second fiddle to him all those years he was protecting him batting behind him,and just wanted his own identity…

  10. chipower9 said, on December 17, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    Red Sox and Bums allegedly in trade talks for Betts…

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/dodgers-red-sox-discussing-trade-for-superstar-mookie-betts/ar-BBY5JFB?li=BBnb7Kz

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 17, 2019 at 2:57 pm

    At least they didn’t make him wear the soot suit on day 1.

    • djloo27 said, on December 17, 2019 at 3:19 pm

      Something sickening about it, but guys rarely spend their entire career with one team. I’ve been trying to think of retired players who spent their entire career with the S.F. Giants (10 seasons minimum). Only have 2 so far…

      • dirtnrocksnomo said, on December 17, 2019 at 3:24 pm

        Maybe it’s just me but nobody in that picture looks pleased.

      • sandog said, on December 17, 2019 at 3:25 pm

        Jimmy Davenport maybe?
        Buster and Crawford will likely join that club. Will they both have 10 seasons in once their contracts run out?

      • djloo27 said, on December 17, 2019 at 3:32 pm

        Davenport’s one…

      • Bozo said, on December 17, 2019 at 4:16 pm

        Robby Thompson only played for SF. Was he with us for 10 years?

      • djloo27 said, on December 17, 2019 at 5:31 pm

        Absolutely right, Bozo!

  12. unca_chuck said, on December 17, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    Johnny Disaster? There are so many players that spring to mind that wouldn’t have caught on with any other team.

    Marvin Benard?

  13. alleykat69 said, on December 17, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    Oh it’s got to be Matt Cain?

    • djloo27 said, on December 17, 2019 at 5:33 pm

      Great guesses. Benard just missed at 9. Lemaster bounced around a little after Jints…

    • djloo27 said, on December 17, 2019 at 5:33 pm

      Yup. Cain makes 3 so far…

  14. alleykat69 said, on December 17, 2019 at 6:46 pm

    Scott Garrelts?

    • djloo27 said, on December 17, 2019 at 7:55 pm

      Awesome Kat. That’s 4.
      I was burnt at 2…

  15. zumiee said, on December 17, 2019 at 7:33 pm

  16. zumiee said, on December 18, 2019 at 1:21 am

    Australia just had its hottest day in its recorded history.
    I visualize a sea wall being built around the Giants ballpark someday.

  17. unca_chuck said, on December 18, 2019 at 7:58 am

    Huh. Facebook isn’t completely terrible. There’s a site called Baseball Americana that has an very cool article about a 75th anniversary of the game party they had in New York, held by Toots Shor. Great great story.

    Here’s an excerpt.

    In February 1951, a grand collection of baseball greats attended a party held by Toots Shor – the legendary New York City restaurateur – in celebration of the National League’s 75th anniversary. Included among the distinguished group were Hall of Famers Fred Clarke, Ty Cobb, Mickey Cochrane, Jimmie Foxx, Charlie Gehringer, Rogers Hornsby, Kid Nichols, Mel Ott, George Sisler, Tris Speaker, Pie Traynor, Ed Walsh, and Cy Young. The significance of this event can’t be overstated: One room, for a few fleeting hours, held within its walls the living embodiment of major-league history in its near entirety – a walking, talking baseball museum if you will.

    The ages of the attendees ran the gamut: Arlie Latham, the 90-year-old former speed demon (742 stolen bases) whose mischievous disposition earned him a most colorful moniker – “The Freshest Man on Earth” – was born in 1860 and began his career during the National League’s infancy. On the opposite end of the spectrum was Mel Ott – baseball’s “Boy Wonder” – who at age 41 had recently become Cooperstown’s youngest inductee. With a generous medley of the game’s most memorable players, characters, and storytellers on hand to reminisce, the conversations and spirited exchanges were priceless. (The constant flow of food and drink, alcoholic and otherwise, helped to keep the proceedings lively.)

    Here’s the site:

    • zumiee said, on December 18, 2019 at 8:35 am

      Great stuff!

      • unca_chuck said, on December 18, 2019 at 9:37 am

        I think it’s pretty cool that these guys seem like they all thought Shoeless Joe was railroaded.

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 18, 2019 at 8:35 am

    The pic alone is pretty full of awesome. Ott looks like a bad-ass

  19. alleykat69 said, on December 18, 2019 at 9:55 am

    Wasn’t it Shoeless Joe in Field of Dreams?that said to Costner,:Yeah we going to invite Ty Cobb, but nobody liked the son of a bitch when he was alive, so screw him!

  20. alleykat69 said, on December 18, 2019 at 10:01 am

    Toots Shor,Pie Traynor&Kid Nichols now that’s some awesomeness in baseball names!

  21. alleykat69 said, on December 18, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    I’m hoping new GM Scott Harris can put his big boy pants on and get Nick Castellanos convinced to become a Giant.. The fan base and some of the Flap need some positive vibe going forward..

    • Flavor said, on December 18, 2019 at 6:12 pm

      i mean, if they’re gonna sign Castey they should have signed Bum, too. Throwing 80 mil at Castey doesn’t make any sense at this point

      • sandog said, on December 18, 2019 at 7:23 pm

        Completely agree.

        At this point it should be all about turning over rocks, doing one year Gausman-type deals, and more take-on-salary and get some young talent Cozart style deals.
        I don’t want to see them give multiple years to anyone this off season.
        I also want Bart to stay in the minors all of 2020. No sense starting his Free Ageny clock while we totally suck and will have Buster around for two more years.

  22. mrsprtdude said, on December 18, 2019 at 7:47 pm

    I think we win 72 games. Cueto subs in for Bum. Everything else is the same. Villar was ok but not great. One pitcher on the back end does ok and we are where we were. Smith may have been good, but we all know closers come and go with only rare exceptions.

    Infield will be BETTER because the young guys will get more AB’s. Belt will be better because he lost more homers with the fences back than anyone. Mark my words..72 wins!

  23. zumiee said, on December 18, 2019 at 9:56 pm

    The Giants will be back again in the playoffs eventually. It reminds me of this brilliant Beatles song.


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