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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 31, 2019

I’d love to get nostalgic and do a *decade ending* thing and celebrate our 3 in 5 and being the BEST team of the decade. But, I’m not really feelin’ it. We’ve celebrated it enough. We’ve basked our balls off.

The only thing to look forward to is tomorrow and the day after that.

Here’s the first blog post at the Flap, not quite 10 years old…..


Happy New Year Flappers. It’s been a long time…..

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  1. zumiee said, on December 31, 2019 at 7:27 pm

    Man, a lot of “where are they now?” folks posted comments on that first day. My first comment was “testing 1, 2, 3” lqtm.

    • djloo27 said, on December 31, 2019 at 8:24 pm

      Your best post ever?

      • zumiee said, on December 31, 2019 at 8:31 pm

        Yeah, I peaked early.

  2. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 31, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    Cool to see the first thread of the Flap, that’s a good enough look back. Only looking forward. Well, the world is still around (and still mostly round, far as I can tell) in 2020 over here, coming your way very soon. Have a great one, Flappers…

    • zumiee said, on December 31, 2019 at 7:53 pm

      Thanks; you, too!

  3. zumiee said, on December 31, 2019 at 7:37 pm

    Decades can seem pretty arbitrary designations, but the last 10 years were off-the-charts historic for the Giants. In the 12 decades of Major League Baseball, our team was the best team of this past decade. Winning the decade is a very cool accomplishment.

  4. willedav said, on December 31, 2019 at 7:39 pm

    Ha good stuff thx for posting this Flav. Always funny as Zum said, to see who was doing what when..del mar, mrbill,ted, ferret, stix plus usual suspects. iirc pickledgringo became one of Twin’s major targets.

  5. zumiee said, on December 31, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    All the New Year’s Eve celebration TV shows are terrible. The one good one used to be Kathy Griffin and Anderson Cooper, but a photo of her holding Trump’s bleeding severed head ended that.

  6. zumiee said, on December 31, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    At 25 minutes to the ball dropping in NYC, Cooper is interviewing Lindsay Lohan. That doesn’t even make sense.

    • alleykat69 said, on December 31, 2019 at 9:08 pm

      I miss Dick Clark, NewYears just isn’t the same without him dropping the ball🥳🎊🎉🍾🥂

      • Macdog said, on December 31, 2019 at 9:17 pm

        Maybe they should get Longoria to take his place.

  7. alleykat69 said, on December 31, 2019 at 9:06 pm

    What was the best thing BF did starting up oneflapdown77.com was the intuitive thinking 🤔 that getting out of the splash doldrums, was the key to winning are 1st W/S championship that I toast to you sir and all others from the Flap Nation for this New Year going forward!! 3-5 pretty remarkable in Flavor’s 1st 5 years with this blog, so that’s a special knowing nod of a job well done!!

  8. Macdog said, on December 31, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    Happy New Year, Flappers! Drinking sangria and watching an impressive fireworks display down the street in my part of Jersey.

    Here’s the game from the Flap debut, not too much fireworks from the Giants that day. Things would apparently get better from there.


  9. snarkk said, on December 31, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    Looks like my first post on the Flap was June 6, just a few days after launch.
    I was all over Bengie for bad hitting and passed balls. Sounds about right…

  10. Bozo said, on December 31, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    And now, opening for the Giants first world championship in San Francisco, Ladies, Gentleman and Delmars, may I introduce Big Flavor’s blog oneflapdown77.com. May she be long running.
    Cheers all.

  11. mrsprtdude said, on January 1, 2020 at 2:52 am

    A great run. Thanks as always Craig for keeping it up and running! Cheers Mike

  12. Flavor said, on January 1, 2020 at 7:03 am

    Bet Oregon today. That is all.

    • willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 8:26 am

      mm good luck big guy hope they can uphold some dignity for Pac12. Runnin Utes got run out of Dodge last night by Wilco’s Horns. That was a thrash that Texas dominated on both sides of ball. One of the other decent teams in league USC got smoked by Iowa 49-24.

      • Flavor said, on January 1, 2020 at 9:15 am

        I’ve got $ on Oregon but I have more $ on that game going under 51.5

  13. willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 8:36 am

    thx to Mac for the box, love those. Only 2 homegrown position players that started drafted by Giants —Posey and Pablo. Others brought in by Sabes–Torres Molina Huff Glass Gamer and Uribe. Benjie’s last season too and Giants wound up seeing him again in WS.
    Ishi and Bowker, both forever immortalized, pinch hit. Bowker was 3rd round pick 2004, who wound up with minus 1.6 WAR for his career. However, Sabes did trade him to Pirates for Javier Lopez at deadline 2010, one of his series of late season great moves. Jose guillen, the busted one, not so much but there also was Cody Ross.

    Lincecum who was subject of blog discussion went 16-10 that year though ERA climbed up from his great 2009 year. did K 231. Funny thing too, announcers could never figure out whether it was split or change, even Miller.

    One more funny thing re: Tulo.He played b-ball at Fremont HS Sunnyvale (alma mater) and I coached the oldest son of his b-ball coach there as 4th grader. He used to show up to practice in #2 Tulo Rox jersey.

  14. willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 10:15 am

    wow Harbs D gives up 85 yrd TD in first play for Bama from scrimmage. Not good. Lot on line for Big 10 today with Wisconsin (2 pt favs) in Rose and Golden Gophers (underdogs like Michigan) taking on Auburn. hmmnn

  15. mrsprtdude said, on January 1, 2020 at 11:04 am

    ASU represented pac12 to a win!

  16. willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 11:47 am

    Harbs guys hanging, up 2 at half after long FG. Spectacular TD run for Najee Harris, local kid out of Antioch. Junior this year see if leaves early or sticks around. pretty good track record in NFL. for Bama running backs lately.
    And yeah sportsdude props to Herm Edwards and Sun Devils. Frosh QB Daniels looks good.
    Cal won too good for Coach Wilcox. with all the talent in this state though he needs to recruit more offensive skill players. They lose Pac 12 D player of the year in Weaver but if they can get offense rolling and have more depth, moving in right direction.

    • willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 12:11 pm

      and then give up another quick score to open half. Soph back up QB for Bama has 2 scores and 212 yds minute and a half into second half. 2 good bowl games so far.

  17. alleykat69 said, on January 1, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    Former NBA Commissioner David Stern dead at 77..
    RIP David..You were so much better for the game then the new clown 🤡 Rob Mansfield will ever be…

  18. willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 2:04 pm

    Bama second half surge routs Harbs 35-16. Last 2 games outscored 91-43. cbs site says Harbs now 0-10 when playing on road or neutral site vs. teams ranked 15th or higher. not good
    Wiscos btw smoked them, and beat Minnesota (who outlasted Auburn today).too.

  19. snarkk said, on January 1, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    Stern’s best work was limiting the damage from the Donaghy “dirty” ref scandal. He succeeded in villifying Donaghy as a rogue ref; not just one of many dirty refs in the NBA — which Donaghy alleged and wrote and which there appeared plenty of evidence to follow up on. The sports media and ESPN basically dropped the matter like a hot potato; facilitating the cover up…

    • zumiee said, on January 1, 2020 at 2:20 pm

      Yeah, it was a major scandal that went away pretty quickly. Although Kings fans will always remember Game 6 vs. the Lakers and all the ref shenanigans that happened in that game.

      • djloo27 said, on January 1, 2020 at 3:08 pm

        This one disappeared so fast that most of you guys probably never heard about it…


      • snarkk said, on January 1, 2020 at 3:49 pm

        I remember seeing that some years ago about Manning being alleged as dirty. I wondered why an NFL QB, making $ millions, would get involved with falsifying “memorabilia” sales. Maybe somebody had something on him, and he was forced to play along? Not like the old days when players had to have off season jobs and needed to make a buck. Seems like greed and hubris overruled smarts and integrity…

      • djloo27 said, on January 1, 2020 at 5:07 pm

        I wonder how much Earl Morrall was paid to dump SB III…

  20. zumiee said, on January 1, 2020 at 2:28 pm

    That’s an amazing kick return by Wisconsin. The returner ran through the crowded short side of the field.

  21. willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 4:27 pm

    nice score by Ducks there as kicker drops the football. Good for them, maybe not so good for the “under.

  22. willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 4:38 pm

    One game that got me hooked on college football bowl games as a kid was ’63 Rose Bowl, won by USC 42-37 over the Wiscos and Ron Vanderkelen. Exciting game, great comeback by Wisconsin and they had funny helmet with big W right in the front/center.

    Uh oh under not looking good. Funny both these teams excellent on defense in their conference and having a TD battle right now with 5 minutes left in 3rd Q.

    • Macdog said, on January 1, 2020 at 5:17 pm

      There goes the under.

  23. alleykat69 said, on January 1, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    Their goes the under for BF..

  24. willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    wow lucky someone doesn’t get thrown out there. Herbert had already scored the TD when he got hit, then predictable retaliation by his teammate, who gets clocked from behind by Badger.

  25. alleykat69 said, on January 1, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Could be a targeting ejection before this game is over!

  26. willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 5:35 pm

    Oregon was underdog coming in though, so not total loss for Flav if they can hang on. Getting that first down there should do it.

  27. zumiee said, on January 1, 2020 at 5:38 pm

    Wisconsin fizzled this one away.

    • willedav said, on January 1, 2020 at 5:57 pm

      t m bracken on twitter from cbs site:
      “4 straight losses…the Buffalo Bills of Pasadena.”

  28. snarkk said, on January 1, 2020 at 6:03 pm

    Always nice to see Pac12 beat the Big10 in the Rose…

  29. alleykat69 said, on January 1, 2020 at 7:21 pm

    Baylor totally being outplayed by Georgia..

  30. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on January 1, 2020 at 10:24 pm

    MLB site has a story about “5 teams with unfinished business”. Nats, Braves, Cards, Angels, and Rangers. Pffft, Giants got you all beat in the “unfinished business” category….

    • djloo27 said, on January 2, 2020 at 3:59 am

      Maybe we can help them finish their business?

  31. chipower9 said, on January 2, 2020 at 7:45 am

    Happy New Year Flap Universe. Very cool to see that original post from 10 years ago. I do believe that the Flap actually started on another site, where the daily page had the Flap Babe of the Day or something like that. As others have mentioned, makes you wonder where some of those folks are, now. RIP, Twin.

    Thanks for keeping this up and running, Flav. I truly cherish the friendships I have made here, not only via electrons, but in person (thinking a couple of Flapaloozas our here, and also my and Blade’s trek to the right coast where I got to meet a number of you guys in person (Loo, Mac, GHead,…).

    I didn’t even entertain the idea of watching any of the NYE network shows. They have sucked for so long, there is no interest here.

    I spent NYE night live streaming Dead & Company’s show from the Chase Center. Epic show (wish I could have been there in person). Three sets that stretched over five hours with the breaks between sets. Bombing.

  32. unca_chuck said, on January 2, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Almost went to the show, Chuck but plans ended up fizzling.

    Quite the decade for Bay Area sports, that’s for sure. Starting with the Giants, rolling to the Dubs, (Six in Nine!) and now ending with the 49ers ascendancy (and a super Bowl visit thrown in for good measure).

    A Super Bowl win would be a most excellent end to the decade.

  33. unca_chuck said, on January 2, 2020 at 9:40 am

    Happy New Year to one and all . . . We watched a little of the ‘festivities’ and it was appallingly bad. Anderson Cooper was drunk as skink and he and whoever the clown who was with him were babbling incoherently about nothing for the 5 minutes we watched. The music that was shown was all lip synched and utter drivel. Don’t know what happened to the music scene these days, but there is little good in mainstream music. Seems like grunge and post-grunge was the last great dying gasp of true rock and roll.

    I mean, except for Tool finally releasing their follow up to 10,000 days (more like 14 years), and even Dystopia by Megadeth, there’s little resembling hard rock that’s new and worthwhile.

    Ended up continuing binge-watching Mad Men. Good at times fairly canned at times as well. Very good writing at times. Roger Sterling getting the majority of the great one-liners.

  34. willedav said, on January 2, 2020 at 10:48 am

    Like to know Unc feelings re: Browns after Saleh and couple of Niners O coaches including LaFleur. would those involved leave to go work for Browns? Also read Cleveland is interested in Urban Meyer, and have plans to interview others for head coaching job. any of this serious biz for SF?

    • chipower9 said, on January 2, 2020 at 11:14 am

      It appears the potential coaches list is long for Cleveland. In addition to Saleh and other Niner assistants, there is also interest by Cleveland in Urban Meyer, and Josh McDaniels…

      Hard to say if any of the Niner assistants would jump if offered the job. They have it pretty damned good in the bay area…

  35. unca_chuck said, on January 2, 2020 at 11:31 am

    I have mixed feelings about Saleh. When he didn’t have decent players, his defense sucked terribly, and it took him 9 games last year to adjust to the fact that his defense was too complicated for his players. There were so many games where WRs were left completely undefended. I mean like a defender was not within 10-15 yards of a given pass catcher for 20-30 yard gains. Game after game. Screens all got 15 yards, esp on 3rd downs. By around the 10th game he gave up on rotating the short zones and went more man defense. The defense got incrementally better. Still, 2 int’s all year was atrocious.

    The D as a whole has improved dramatically, but most of that credit goes to Lynch and the front office. The team is a LOT faster, and pursuit has been phenomenal. As we’ve seen now, a pass rush sure changes the dynamic. Still, Sherman is playing better than last year, and so is Witherspoon (for the most part), the (healthy) D line was stopping the pass and the run. And the experience of being in the system a full year has given the players confidence.

    But, as we’ve seen lately, without those horses like Dee Ford, Kwon Alexander, DJ Jones, and Blair, the pass rush has faltered, and the defense is slipping into bad habits of overreacting to misdirection plays and rollouts. Once Harbaugh exposed that weakness in the Balt game, teams have been doing it at will, and it really didn’t get better until the 2nd half of the Ram game.

    And the Sea game was another example of Carroll adjusting to our defense, and Saleh having no answers for it. Yes, Wilson is hard to deal with, but we didn’t stop Seattle once (well, until that last play), and only the fact that Sea took so long on their drives did we win. If Seattle pushed the ball faster I think we would have been the ones behind trying to win in the end.

    One could easily say Carroll lost the game because he did a bad job of clock management because his drives were so methodical.

    If I’m a coach being courted by Cleveland, I take a hard pass. They along with the Redskins are toxic death to any and all who enter. The Jets and Miami aren’t far behind.

    Funnily enough, 2 years ago, we were in that group of bad coaching destinations. Not sure how or what got through to Young Jet Tweetsalot, but he has made 2 great hires in Shanahan and Lynch, and gracefully faded into the background.

    • willedav said, on January 2, 2020 at 11:44 am

      thx. I know SF has #1 seed and home field, just not feeling warm and fuzzy about having to beat Hawks and/or Saints again just to get in. Giving Brees or Wilson the ball with chance to win the game unless you stop them, idk. Feel lot better about offense than D.
      Agree whole heartedly about second paragraph–adding talent, speed all around and a pass rush is big difference. And maybe outshines whatever Saleh is doing or trying to do.

  36. unca_chuck said, on January 2, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    We ARE getting a little healthier, so I think if it comes down to Seattle again, we can take them. And if the Saints make it, or whoever, it’ll be a dome team that we should be able to take.

    Ford will hopefully play next weekend, and Alexander has the possibility of making it back. Those 2 would be huge additions.

    Unfortunately Blair and Jones are out indefinitely. Their loss (and even D Moore) has really hurt the run defense.

    We DID sign last years starting DT Earl Mitchell, who had retired earlier this year. His presence should at least give the starters some rest. He’s a great run defender. His readiness is a big ? though.

  37. unca_chuck said, on January 2, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    Fred Warner has really shone as the middle linebacker. He has really gotten the grasp of what Saleh is trying to do out there.

  38. snarkk said, on January 2, 2020 at 1:14 pm

    What’s the rule on signing players in the NFL post season? Can you just sign dudes anytime before a playoff game and they can go active?…

  39. alleykat69 said, on January 2, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    The Defense getting possibly Ford&Alexander back will be huge.Warner and now the emergence of Greenlaw makes them so much stronger!
    I worry about Witherspoon who looked rusty and was eventually benched as Seattle was taking advantage of him,Mosley will be a key as no teams go after Sherman on the right side.Is Tartt ready to come back soon as well?

    • chipower9 said, on January 2, 2020 at 2:00 pm

      Look for Lynch and crew to try and land a safety or corner in next year’s draft.

      I do believe that Tartt will be back for our first playoff game, along with Dee Ford, and as Chuck mentioned, possibly Alexander.

      • alleykat69 said, on January 2, 2020 at 2:35 pm

        Yes I agree Chi,
        I can see them going after a CB&Safety with their 1st 2 picks.Sherman although still good is not getting any younger, so a 1stRd corner can sure learn a lot from him.The one name in the mock draft I’ve heard is corner back C.J. Henderson from Florida.They also need to upgrade the OL with a replacement eventually for Staley, though McGlinchey could slide into his spot, so a RT might be a good bet as well..

  40. zumiee said, on January 2, 2020 at 8:52 pm

    Sad news- Sam Wyche passed away.

  41. djloo27 said, on January 2, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    Good news – Our President wacked some Middle East scumbags…

    • zumiee said, on January 2, 2020 at 9:45 pm

      Bad news- when you’re killing the enemy 16 years into a war, you probably aren’t winning.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 2, 2020 at 10:27 pm

      Yaaay! Let’s go to war with Iran. This’ll make Iraq look like Grenada. Viet Nam numbers if we’re lucky.

      • willedav said, on January 3, 2020 at 7:43 am

        remember in middle of hostage crisis a guy fixing our cable that my roommate at time knew wanted to “nuke Iran.” He was dead serious too and said it a few times. “Just nuke ’em.”
        Still think lot of people have never gotten over it and would love to drop the big one on them. 9/11 only rekindled it (whack Iraq!) even though it was Saudi nationals that were involved. Now this, ugh.

    • snarkk said, on January 2, 2020 at 11:37 pm

      Wag the Dog…

  42. chipower9 said, on January 3, 2020 at 6:28 am

    Happy Friday Flappers far and wide. That’s all…carry on.

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