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Mamba Out

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on January 27, 2020

Kobe is gone. While I won’t be missing him I definitely understand why this affected so many people the way it did. It was gut wrenching to watch so many NBA players weep before and after the games yesterday. His passing has left a huge hole in the league.

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Eight other people died. At first I thought John Altobelli might have been Joe’s son. I’ve never even heard of another *Altobelli* and this guy is a baseball lifer. Turns out they aren’t related.
This is a great (unlocked) article about him. I recommend reading it.

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  1. Flavor said, on January 27, 2020 at 6:31 am

    Castellanos goes to the Reds, one of the smallest parks in baseball. Of course he did, that guy was NEVER considering SF except for leverage.

    • chipower9 said, on January 27, 2020 at 7:26 am

      And yet another one who was potentially tied Los Gigantes.

    • willedav said, on January 27, 2020 at 7:44 am

      also hard to believe Sf genuinely interested. I get $$$/years was going to be an issue, but for all he talks Z does not seem to care much about adding in power hitting corner OF, or any power to LU he admits needs it desperately.

  2. chipower9 said, on January 27, 2020 at 7:24 am

    This is above basketball (even though I have never been a fan of the Lakers). Also lost was Kobe’s 13 year old daughter, and as Flav mentions, seven others. Kobe had a profound impact on so many lives, as he has generously given so much to help others in his post-basketball life.

    Blessings of peace and comfort to the families of all who lost loved ones in this tragic accident.

  3. chipower9 said, on January 27, 2020 at 7:58 am

    John Altobelli who perished in the crash, was accompanied by his wife and a daughter. Here is an excerpt from one of the stories I read on the tragedy:

    “Orange Coast College (OCC) baseball coach John Altobelli, his wife, Keri, and daughter, Alyssa, were aboard the helicopter, said Altobelli’s brother, Tony Altobelli. Gianna (Kobe’s daughter) and Alyssa were teammates at the Mamba Academy, OCC assistant coach Ron La Ruffa told CNN, and Altobelli would often fly with his daughter to attend the games.

    “There were two sides to John,” Tony Altobelli said. “People saw him on the baseball field, he’s gritty and tough as nails kind of guy but the other side of him, he was one of the biggest-hearted people you’ll meet in your life. He cared about his players, cared about his school.”

    Altobelli, 56, leaves behind a son and daughter, according to an OCC Pirate Athletics news release.

    I cannot imagine how the families feel after losing loved-ones. It can all change in the blink of an eye. All the more reason to make sure you tell the ones you love how much they mean to you on a regular basis.

  4. willedav said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:30 am

    The Reds represent something I feared was going to happen, that does not bode well for Giants. Like other teams outside playoff bubble, Pads AZ Mets/Phils, they’ve added some pieces to try and improve. Whether you like the moves or not these teams have made an effort to be better…as opposed to Giants who let talent walk without bothering to replace it.

    I don’t see last year’s win streak that ultimately led to 77 Ws as a mirage. It was a time when HR power from the offense and good pitching came together and they beat playoff level teams. Night we went was S. Anderson’s last decent outing as an SP, and Dickerson of course never regained health. The winning also coincided with Smith’s long streak of success as closer, finishing off Ws that otherwise would hot have occurred.

    so that’s where the needs were—losing Bum and Smith finding more pitching to allow less runs was important.
    And of course adding in power to replace bombs lost (Sandoval counts in here too on IF), Instead, Ruf Rickard $12 mil prospect, dumpster dive pitching, yada yada. Just puts them farther away from those who made some moves and did more this offseason.

  5. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:40 am

    Well, that’s the rub. It took a major convergence just to get one month of good ball last year. The team needs 5 or 6 players, a couple pitchers, and a couple relievers to be relevant. We aren’t close enough to add enough to matter. Not with the flab four in the lineup. Getting to .500 does no good.

  6. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:41 am

    Posey stays because Posey. Until Belt, Craw, and Longo are out o the lineup, we are not going anywhere.

  7. zumiee said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:45 am

    The Flab Four, yikes. 🙂
    Also known as the Bore Core.
    The nicknames are rolling out. 🙂

    • djloo27 said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:07 am

      The 4 Flops…

  8. djloo27 said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:14 am

    As Snarkk predicted, it looks like Kobe’s pilot is already getting the blame for flying in the fog.
    I just wonder if he was pressured to do so…

    • Flavor said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:19 am

      would there have been a cushier job (pre crash) than being Kobe’s helicopter pilot? He probably was doing as he was told.

      • djloo27 said, on January 27, 2020 at 10:39 am

        Flavor: I bet you were a big “Lost In The Fog” fan.
        He had major SF connections, IIRC…

      • Flavor said, on January 27, 2020 at 11:29 am

        I wouldn’t say major. Denny loved that horse, tho

    • alleykat69 said, on January 27, 2020 at 10:12 am

      Yeah but for what a stupid basketball Academy practice that they all have been to many times?
      Unless Kobe was selfish enough to need a grand appearance, it’s sure not worth losing your life and others over it..

  9. dirtnrocksnomo said, on January 27, 2020 at 11:22 am

    Man, Kobe Bryant. What can you even say? He was arguably one of the 10 most famous people in the world. Big enough to be known by one name across the globe and still able to gloss himself with the nickname Mamba.

  10. zumiee said, on January 27, 2020 at 11:51 am

    Some responsibility falls on Kobe and Altobelli. They could have chosen not to ride on the helicopter. They all have smart phones and could have checked on the weather reports.
    L.A.P.D. had grounded their helicopters that day because of lack of visibility.

  11. Bozo said, on January 27, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    I’m sorry, but I just can’t see how the salaries of Belt, Craw and Longo are holding the Giants back from doing anything. Their combined $ is around 45 mil in 2020.
    At the moment, SF’s salary is projected to be about $142 this year, putting them 14th on the MLB list, between the Rocks and Rangers ($100 mil under the Yanks). That would leave SF under the cap by about $51 mil according to spotrac.
    Tell me again how SF can’t use that $51 mil to start building a competitive team so when you do add Bart, Ramos, Luciano and others to the mix you’re ready to roll.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 1:20 pm

      It’s the remaining years and dollars. Because the 2 years we try to build is 2 years of wasted time and effort, in my head. Build to what? .500? I still think they need to lose 2 bad deals (Craw and Belt) this season before they throw money at anyone else. Likely next offseason. This year is completely gone. No sense fixing it a little to get to 3rd place.

      They are not going to hand out any deal this year over 2 years, so that shortens the list considerably. Much like the Warriors now, they are a blip on the radar. I’ll watch, just not like before.

      • chipower9 said, on January 27, 2020 at 1:32 pm

        I agree with Charlie on this one. Of course I want to Giants to return to relevance at some point, but I am willing to give Z and team a couple of years to sort it all out. And if we suck balls for a couple of years as part of his master plan, I’m down.

      • Bozo said, on January 27, 2020 at 6:26 pm

        Are you good with 5-6 years Chi? I think that’s about the time most teams go through during a complete rebuild. Most teams that go through a complete rebuild seem to be low market teams, Oakland, San Diego, Cleveland etc. Larger market teams seem to do more of a rebuild on the fly,, getting the high draft picks during the down years but supplementing in the others.

      • Bozo said, on January 27, 2020 at 6:38 pm

        Oh well, I guess we have to agree to disagree.
        This is heading towards the first year in a very very long time when I’m not looking forward to the start of the season, where I’m not at all optimistic.
        A GM that is working to make a team better, even if that means going from 77 wins to 81 or whatever, that’s the guy that I want. A GM that waves the white flag in January belongs in Miami, which is OK by me because I don’t root for Miami..

  12. gianthead said, on January 27, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    No surprises on Castellanos. Just surprised that as the best OF bat in this free agent class, not only surprised he got just $64 mill, surprised that the Giants were not really in the hunt for him. I think he likely as with most power hitting free agents, rather not come to SF unless we way over spend and not in Farhan’s lingo so far.

    But wonder now if they would try and pursue Senzel and what prospect pieces it would take to land him. Pudge’s son enough with another lower level prospect?

    Nice move by AZ to land Marte.

  13. gianthead said, on January 27, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    For better or worse, we all knew Farhan was not going to add any significant piece yet.

  14. snarkk said, on January 27, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    IMO the Lux tax cap should be adjustable in relation to state income tax rates facing the teams. A state with no income tax on player salary should not have the same lux tax limit as teams like SF with high state rates (13%) on big player salaries. It’s complicated, but not that tough. I don’t think there is a compensating mechanism for that in place now. High rate teams are at a competitive disadvantage if no mitigation…

  15. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    When they declined to even offer anything to Pillar, I think we all knew that everyone else was off the table. Funny thing is, Pillar is still out there, unless I missed something.

    • zumiee said, on January 27, 2020 at 4:33 pm

      Unfortunately for him, his stats don’t jump off the table to GMs. A 1.0 WAR last season, with a .719 OPS. His defensive metrics show declining range, although he does make some exceptional plays sometimes.

      • Macdog said, on January 27, 2020 at 5:26 pm

        1.4 WAR with the Giants, if that slight difference means much.

    • unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 4:52 pm

      All I’m saying is that he was low hanging fruit and we passed.

  16. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    This is so heartfelt.

    • djloo27 said, on January 27, 2020 at 6:31 pm

      A word or two, a nod and a wink was all Kobe had for Willie?

    • unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 6:48 pm

      Well, they obviously travel in much different circles.

  17. Flavor said, on January 27, 2020 at 5:03 pm

    Pillar was our best offensive player last year and while I’m bummed to see him go I’m fine with it. That was probably the best we were going to get out of him, a regression was likely, so why throw even 10 million at that? He was exactly what I said he would be including being our most exciting player. But, it’s ok we passed. He wasn’t going to make a difference this year.

  18. alleykat69 said, on January 27, 2020 at 5:30 pm

    Probably just me but Kevin Pillar did not move the needle for me as much as Yaz did last year.Same amount of Homers 21 but Yaz had 150 less AB’s .Yaz higher BA .271 to Pillar’s .259.Easily better OBP and OPS .So he had a few highlight reel catches, to makeup for some bonehead plays as well.Yaz is the better overall player imo..
    I will give Pillar a nice gesture naming his daughter Kobie Rae Pillar after his legend growing up Kobe, but that’s it I’ve moved on from him..

  19. Flavor said, on January 27, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    I liked Yaz too. But look, the bar for *best offensive player* was low on this team. You are leaving out the fact that Pillar led the team in nearly every offensive category we had. His OPS was low because he didn’t take walks. You want walks? Go hang out with Belt. He’ll give you all those you want.

  20. djloo27 said, on January 27, 2020 at 6:22 pm

    Expressions like “low hanging fruit” and “move the needle” have to go.
    I can’t handle it…

  21. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    Would you prefer score the basketball? They have to take care of the football? We have to bring our A game?

  22. Macdog said, on January 27, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    It is what it is.

  23. alleykat69 said, on January 27, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    Take it one game at a time!
    He’s on top of his game!

  24. djloo27 said, on January 27, 2020 at 7:45 pm

    Now we’re talkin’!

  25. Flavor said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:03 pm

    awesome win by the Kings. Bringing Hield off the bench seems like a winning move

  26. Flavor said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:04 pm

    can’t remember the last time I saw this work so well

  27. willedav said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:06 pm

    Unc, the need has been here for years for power hitting corner OF. a guy like Marte would have been perfect–not expensive and bridge to the draft picks taken this year/next. Instead Giants have Duggar Slater and Rickard none of whom have any power, behind dick Davis and Yaz. Marte = proven hitter, the others, no.

    Your 4 is really only 2, 1b and SS. Posey is bridge to Bart for next year. last year SF got 30 plus bombs out of 3b btw Longoria and Sandoval. Replacing a bench bat like Sando had to be done to back up Longoria and hit LH. Solano is nice find but like Dubon not a power hitter.
    Even a Wilmer Flores type like others I’ve seen signed this off season by other teams would have helped. Instead Z has done nothing.
    I see absolutely nothing wrong with being close to or getting to .500 as bridge to 2021/22. .400 ball only puts you farther away. bottom line, offense is going to be worse with less power and pitching looks grim without a closer and 2 more stiffs in rotation. None of this is going to help run differential.

    And I’m just trying to stay within myself.

  28. djloo27 said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:10 pm

    To me it just shows a complete disdain for their fans…

    • willedav said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:59 pm

      exactly. This so called process…if you look at Giants top prospects, the supposed power guy Bishop has only hit in rookie league and will probably be in A ball, either high or low, this season. Ramos hit 3 HRs in 95 ABs last year once he got promoted to AA ball. Luciano is like Bishop and Wilson (the kid from angels), who hasn’t even been in A ball yet.
      so it’s hard to believe any of above are going to be ML hitters for at least 2 if not 3 yrs…if ever.

  29. James said, on January 27, 2020 at 8:58 pm

    “Expressions like “low hanging fruit” and “move the needle” have to go.” I’m imagining weighing overpriced organic citrus in the local market.

  30. zumiee said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:03 pm

    One of the reasons LeBron is annoying: today he posted on social media that he “vows to continue Kobe’s legacy.”

  31. zumiee said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    Kings game was crazy at the end. That clip BF posted was part of a comeback from 15 points down with 2 1/2 minutes left. Then they were able to get the win in overtime.

  32. James said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    I have no need to see the heroics of any Bengie Molina’s in 2020.

  33. willedav said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:40 pm

    mac, realize it’s late back there, but I’m watching American guy Sandgren ahead of Federer right now 3-0 in third set. During the second one he won 6-2 to even it up and Federer dropped major audible F bomb and heard about it from chair.

  34. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:55 pm

    Wilie, I’ve been there as well, but have plain given up on them being able to do anything meaningful with those deals on the books and those players in the lineup.

    I’ve been saying since last all star break that they at the least have to get rid of, trade, cut, DFA, send to the fishes, Belt and Crawfish at the LATEST by the end of this season. Hopefully much earlier. If they don’t, then half their lineup is an auto-out for 2 more seasons. The bore core. the flab four. Whatever. Even with a power OFer, it will only get us +5 wins? 68-94 doesn’t look much different to me than 73-89.

  35. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    Federer has had an amazing run, but he needs to be on grass to win another major.

  36. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    Never seen Sandgren play. His leaping/twisting backhand is the goofiest thing I’ve ever seen. It works, but I’ve never seen any kind of shot like that from anyone anywhere.

  37. unca_chuck said, on January 27, 2020 at 11:18 pm

    Wow. Federer saves 7 match points to win the 4th set!


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